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A58385 Reflections upon the murder of S. Edmund-Bury Godfrey the design of Thompson, Farwell, and Paine to sham off that murder from the papists : the late endeavours to prove Stafford a martyr and no traitor, and the particular kindnesses of the Observator, and Heraclitus to the whole design, in a dialogue ; with a dedication from Mrs. Cellier. Cellier, Elizabeth, fl. 1680. 1682 (1682) Wing R731; ESTC R36706 39,638 35

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had any of the Lords in the Tower that they might not trust Dangerfield under the same Sacred Obligation Or what reach above common Women had that busie Lustful Cellier she that was your Jayle-raker Sir and not ours I say what sublimity of Judgment had she that she might not trust her so highly gratify'd Favourite If they were not fit to be trusted why had they those Oaths of Secresie given them why were they treated so often with those Holy Morsels at your Chappels But if those Religious Tyes were put upon them as most certainly they were what wonder is it then they should be trusted Certainly were they those Rakeshames that the Worshipful Mr. Impartial makes of 'em Solemn Oaths of Secresie and the Eucharist go at a cheap rate among the Papists that they should be so often forc'd upon the Whip'd and the Pillory'd and the Infamous meerly to be sent to buy Mapps for a Jesuites Colledge or to pick up a Broken Merchants Debts So then it remains that these persons that could not be other than Demy-Saints when they were Papists as having so much holy Wafer lodg'd in their Bodies are only turn'd Reprobates since they made their discoveries Which being so plain it is not to be question'd but that they had opportunities enough to make their discoveries according to their various Trusts and Employments as being Persons of Quality sacredly bound up by so many holy Obligations as they then believ'd they were Since then it was impossible that among Papists they could be Miscreants after so much Purification and Sanctification tho without the Kings Pardon we will make no dispute to justifie their Honesty their Integrity and their Loyalty now they have obtain'd the Kings Forgiveness For the Papists are to understand that the King of England's Pardon is of greater efficacy to cleanse a man from his offences than if he should bath in a Tub of Holy Water every day i' the Year and then receive Absolution from ten thousand Lubberly Priests Being then made good men by the high Prerogative of the Kings Mercy tho Fools and Knaves still take the boldness to defame them they are Witnesses legal every way justifiable and not to be disputed against by any good or loyal Subject of the King And since they have sworn to a Plot wherein they were Actors themselves design'd to the destruction of the King and Kingdom the Nation is bound to believe 'em notwithstanding all the frivolous clamour of the Lord Staffords Memoirs From these and other the like Grounds the Protestants do infer That there is no credit to be given to the bare Suppositions of a Memoir-monger scribling at such a wild and incoherent rate and so scandalous to the King and the whole Government And they further appeal to the Judgment of every impartial conscientious man whether it be not more likely that the Papists a People generally of debauch'd and murderous Principles that bear no Consciences towards Hereticks persecuted by Penal Laws allur'd by the recovery of their Abby-Lands encourag'd and supported by great Interest in the Kingdom should be induc'd out of their hatred of the Protestant Religion and for the advancement of their own which is the Popish Interest to remove the Obstacles of their Happiness by the destruction of a Heretick Prince and all his most Loyal Subjects then that a few inconsiderable persons without any support or encouragement should dare to create such a bloudy and horrid Plot of their own heads and then venture their lives by daring to justifie such a Plot to the face of King Lords and Commons of England had it bin true that so many Noble Prudent Loyal and Virtuous Persons as Mr. Impartial calls 'em were not really concern'd in it No no Mr. Impartial had not this horrid bloudy tho as you call it absurd and morally impossible Plot bin true really morally unquestionably true your Employers who have spent so many Thousand Pounds besides the plodding designing contriving labour of Great and Politick Headpieces to subdue this Plot and yet for their souls cannot do it would soon have trip'd up the Heels of three or four debauch'd wretches of lost Consciences and desperate Fortunes In the next place he comes to Coleman's Letters tho he make but a short stay upon 'em as finding 'em too hot for his Fingers He is forc'd to bring forth a Confession but disliking the Countenance of his Brat he endeavours to murder it again with a piece of sordid Sophistry so palpable and notorious that any one but an Impartial Papist would be asham'd of it He confesses That those Letters manifestly denote the busie designes and activity of the Writers yet so far from confirming Dr. Oates Plot that they directly evince the contrary As how For the whole subject and context of those Letters bear a plain and open face of what the Authors intended And did not the Tryals and Convictions of the Jesuites and the Lord Stafford himself bear an open face of what the Authors intended Was not Coleman seen at the Grand Consult at Wild House at L●nghorn's Chamber with Harcors and White-bread and others all Members of Dr. Oate's Plot ordering money to the Assassinates and giving money to the Messenger and did not this beat an open face of what he intended and if what he then what the rest of his Correspondents No for the Writers were persons who had there been a Plot were the most likely to have been the main Engines and Contrivers of it Whither the main or no is not material but 't is plain they all did lend their helping hands and heads to it No says Mr. Impartial again for we do not find one single syllable in them from whence 〈◊〉 be gathered any such design Look you Mr. Impartiall you well know that the 〈◊〉 discovered by Dr. Otes was for the destruction of the King and subversion of his Government Now then pray what mean these passages in Coleman's Letters We have here a mighty Work upon our hands no less than the Conversion of Three Kingdome and by that perhaps the subduing of a Pestilent Heresie which has domineerd over a great part of the Northern World a long time there were never such hopes of success since the death of Queen Mary as now in our days but the opposition we are like to meet with is also like to be great so that it imports Us to get all the Aid and Assictance We can Again Your Friends the Emperour and the Pope will have a fair occasion of giving marks of their Friendship to Mr. to make the great Design succeed to undermine the Intreagues of the Merchants who Trade for the Parliament and the Religion and to Establish that of the Associated Catholicks in every Place Here is Pope and Emperour which confirms what Dr. Oats swore as to Emissaries being sent into Germany Here is designs and associated Catholicks which denotes that the Plot was general Then there was 100000 Crowns promised by the Pope
Impartial There is the Juggle of your supposition We do not believe the whole Body of Roman Catholicks knew of the blackness and execrableness of your Design but many were told by their Priests and Confessors that there was a Design carrying on for the good of the Catholick Cause and that was necessary to procure the Milk of Contribution And so far this Nation has all the reason to belieue that the whole Body of Roman Catholicks was concern'd in this Plot. Then for the loss of their honour and hazard of ruining themselves and their Families they that were in darkness knew not their danger and the rest knew there was little For had they compass'd their ends they had had their advantages and we are too deeply sensible that they had some strange assurances how little they should suffer if they 〈◊〉 He goes on with a mighty wonder if it be not a greater wonder that he could be so impudent as to write it In this Plot says he are said to be engaged for several years together divers Nations England Scotland Ireland France Italy Spain Germany c. What a deal of high-flown Forgery and Fallacy is here● a meer amusing 〈…〉 y-eatching piece of cajolry with which if the English Protestants will let their indignation against the late discover'd Plot be laid asleep they will not want for worse Where are those Mountanous Accusations against all England all Scotland all France all Ireland all Spain all Germany No true Englishman can doubt but that for the carrying on the Late Plot there were Romish Correspondencies Spanish Correspondencies Irish Correspondencies and for the French Correspondencies we have testimony sufficient But to make Inferences from National Accusations where never any were was a Romance of Mr. Impartials own Hyperbolical 〈◊〉 And therefore to say truth whoever undertook to put such fallacious shamms and tricks upon the already too much injur'd English Protestants in the Vindication of Treason and Villany deserves more the Whip and the Pillory than those persons he calls rak'd out of Jayle for no person rak'd out of Hell can be worse than himself But yet to shew that there may be that thing that comes very near a National Concealment of a Conspiracy The Rebellion in Ireland how closely how cunningly was it managed without the least Discovery till the Kingdom ran with Bloud and Massaere lay in heaps yet none of all that vast number had any remorse for so bloudy a Treason none all that while had the worth wit of grace to reveal it This was somewhat hard to believe and yet was true Being got into his Romances he cannot get out of 'em but goes on raving and still amusing the ignorant with a noise of Armies improbable for their numbers which is nothing to the purpose for all this riffraff makes it nothing the less improbable but that Men engag'd in such Designs of Universul Massacre intended convenient Levies and convenient quantitys of Arms and Ammunition for those Levies and therefore is a thing not so much to be wondred at 'T is no matter for Number or Quantity 't is the intent of raising Forces against the Establish'd Government and providing Arms and Ammunition for these Forces and that discours'd of and consulted upon that makes the Treason our as effectually in the eye of the Law as if the Men had bin Levy'd or the Money paid into the Lord Staffords hands So then the intent of raising Forces and the actual Banking of Money for Arms and Ammunition being positively sworn as it was and all for carrying on this detestable tho as detestably vindicated Plot Mr. Impartial must not think to bury such a Plot in the Rubbish of his impertinent Raillery But he runs on in his Poetical Raptures a very pretty way of refuting a demonstrated Plot and crys We are told of hundreds of Seal'd Commissions for all sorts of Military Officers and God knows how many Bushels of Letters and Papers all containing most Damnable Treason sent nevertheless up and down at random some by the Common Post others by such Messengers as Oates Bedlow Dugdale and Dangerfield who as bosom Counsellers were still made privy to what was sent Understand Sir once more that number and quantity signifie nothing and all your Hyperboles of Hunderds and Bushels are not worth a Rush But where is the improbability of granting Commissions who more fit or who had greater Authority to grant these Commissions than the great General of your Religion the Pope from whom you and the rest of the Conspirarators deriv'd all their power Dr. Oates whose Testimony your ridioulous Memoirs that have nothing in 'em but defamation and railing can never invalidate tells ye of several Commissions that he gave to several persons by name himself That Whitebreads Commission together with several Papers and Letters were seiz'd at the same time that his person was apprehended At another time Harcourt's Papers were seiz'd and after that a plentiful Parcel of Letters were publickly printed full of Cyphers all relating to the Plot then add to this that several of your Seals have bin produc'd in Court More than all this there was nothing more frequently boasted in the common discourses of the Papists at that time one among another then that the Roman Catholick Religion would suddenly flourish in England that they had considerable Armies raising for that purpose and that the Lords in the Tower had not only Commissions themselves but had given out Commissions to several others Viz. One to Talbot of Langford another to Sir H. Beningfield of Oxborough another to one Mr. Stoner and several others Ireland declar'd in his own Chamber at that time That there would shortly be fifty thousand men in Arms and being ask'd for what We must have them speedily said he to settle our Religion here or else all will be ruin'd Which argu'd that there were plenty of Popish Commissions then in England whate'r is become of them But Mr. Impartial being a Protestant as he pretends too easily 't is to be fear'd takes his Employers words Where is next the improbability that your Packets tho full of damnable Treason might not be sent by the Common Post The King has no Inquisitor that sits in his Publick Office to break open Gentlemens Letters and examine the Contents More then that there was a Packet and a large one too sent by the Common Post directed to Father Benningfield that by a lucky fate to you and your Employers mist falling into the hands of those that would have made better use of it Lastly Where 's the improbability that such persons as you strive to defame should not be trusted by those profound Head-pieces your Employers They were under the same as you call'd them Sacred Oaths of Secresie and sent to be charm'd with your Idolatrous Eucharist thrice a Week What great Policy had Vicount Stafford that he might not trust Dugdale so firmly bound What more than ordinary piercing Wits or discerning Faculties