them as by any of the reverende Bishops or venerable Archdeacons their Chancelors or Officials If there be ame exception alleaged by the defendant as of composition prescription or privilege the Kinges Iustices are as able to iudge of the validitie of these as they are now able to determine customes de modo decimandi or of the vse of high wayes of making and repayring of bridges of commons of pasture pawnage estovers or such like Trueth it is that of legacies and bequestes of Legacies how they may be recouered at the coÌ„mon lawe goods the reverend Bishops by sufferance of our Kinges and consent of our people haue accustomablie vsed to take cognyzance and to hold plea in their spirituall Courts Notwithstanding if the legacie be of landes where landes be divisible by Testament the iudgement thereof hath ben alwayes vsed and holden by the Kings writ and never in any ecclesiasticall Court Wherfore if it shall please the King to enlardge the authoritie of his Courtes temporall by commandinge matters of legacies and bequestes of goods aswell as of landes to be heard and determined in the same it were not much to be feared but that the Kings Iustices the Kings learned Counsell and others learned in the law of the Realme without any alteration of the same law would spedelie find meanes to applie the grounds thereof aswell to all cases of legacies and bequests of goods as of landes For if there bee no goods divisible by will but the same are grauÌ„table and confirmable by deede of gift could not the Kings Iustices aswel iudge of the gift of the thing given by will as of the graunt of the thing graunted by deede of gift or can they not determine of a legacie of goods aswell as of a bequest of landes If it should come in debate before them whether the Testator at the time of making his will were of good perfect memorie vpon profes and other circumstances to bee opened and made of the Testators memorie by livelie testimonies either the Admonitor must condemne the Kinges learned and discreete Iustices to be 〈◊〉 mentis insanae memoriae or els it must be confessed that they be as well able to iudge of the distraction of wits and vnsoundnes of memorie in a person deceased as they be to determine the question of Lunacie madnesse or idiocie in a man living If anie question should arise vpon the revocation of a former will of the ademptioÌ„ of a legacie or of a legacie giuen vpon coÌ„dition or in diem it would be 〈◊〉 matter for the learned Iudges vpon sight of the Will and proofes to be made to define which is the first and which is the last will whether the legacie remayne or whether it be revoked whether it be legatum per rerum or 〈◊〉 whether condicionall or without condition And if it bee condicional whether the same be possible or impossible honest or dishonest and if it be 〈◊〉 whether the day bee past or to come But there lyeth no action at the commoÌ„ lawe for a legatorie against the executor to recover his legacie I graunt But a creditor to recover his dâ—â—t due by the testator vpon specialtie may bringe an action at the common law against the executor And then what is the cause that a creditor may recover his debt that a legatorie can not recover his legacie in the Kinges Court but onlie for that remedie could not be giuen vnto legatories complaynantes by any writt out of the Chancerie And therefore that such plaintifes might not be deferred of their right 21. Ed. 1. statute vpon the writt of consultation remedie in such cases to their great damage it hath pleased the Kinges by sufferance to tolerate the Church officers to determine these cases Wherefore if it might please the King to cause Writtes to bee made out of his Court of Chancerie for the recoverie of Legacies it were cleere by the common law of the Realme as from the statute may be gathered that the cognizance of these cases did not appertayne anie more to the spirituall Court. For then might the legatorie by that Writt bring an actioÌ„ against the executor to obteine his Legacie But how should that action be tryed How even as other actions of debt detinue or trover be tried namelie as the case should require either by the countrey or by the Iudges vpon a moratur in lege As Testamentes with their adherences so likewise matters of Spousalles Matters of mariages more meete to bee decided by the Kings then by the Bb. officers Mariages divorces c. togither their accessories by common right of the Imperiall Crowne did in auncient times properlie apperteyne to the examinations and sentences of the Emperours them selues to their Provostes Deputies and Presidentes of Cities and Provinces as by the several titles de Testamentis Legatis Fidei commissis Nuptijs repudijs divortio dote c. in the books of the civil law appeareth By the Law of England also the King hath the mariadge of an heyre being within age in his warde Widowes also that hold of the King in chiefe must not marie them selues without the Kings licence And by an Act made 4. and 5. Phil. and Mary there is a streight punishment provided against all such as shall take away Maydens that be inheritors being within the age of sixteene yeres or marie them without consent of their Parentes And what reason letteth them that the King might not as well haue the care and cognoyzance of all the coÌ„tractes of mariage especially of the mariage of all children and Widowes in his temporall Courtes as he hath of some parties to bee contracted of the Dower of the ioynture of the dis aragment of the age of the 〈…〉 way of the deflouring and of manage without parentes consent in some cases or what a verie great alteration of the common Law could ensue in case the Kings temporall Iustices did examine and determine whether the contract were a pefect and simple or condicionall contract yea or no For if vpon the statute made by Phi. and Mary that Maydens and Women children of Noble men GentlemeÌ„ c. being heyres apparant c. and being left within age of xvj yeares should not marie against the will or vnknowing of or to the Father or against c. If I say vpon the publishing of this Act there hath no alteration of the common law hitherto followed it is but a meere superstitious errour to feigne that a change of the coÌ„mon law must followe if so be this statute were extended to all children both Sonnes and Daughters of what parentage sexe estate or age so euer For if the King in his temporall Courts had the definitioÌ„ of all aswell as of some contractes made by children without consent of parents then should a multitude of lewde and vngodlie contractes made by flatterie trifling gifts faire and goodly promises of many vnthriftie and light personages
ordinances provinciall or synodall according to the true intent of that act could not still haue bene vsed and executed as they were before if the Bishops had not still remained ordinaries Moreover it is cleare by two statutes that the Archbishops Bishops ought 25. H. 8. c. 20. 25. H. 8. c 16. to be obeyed in all maner of things according to the name title degree and dignitie that they shall bee chosen or presented vnto and that they may doe and execute minister vse and exercise all and euerie thing and thinges touching or perteyning to the office or order of an Archbishop or Bishop with all ensignes tokens and ceremonies therevnto lawfullie belonging as any Archbishop or Bishop might at any time heretofore doe without offending of the prorogatiue Royall of the Crown and the lawes and customes of this Realme Let it be then that by custome canons provintiall and statute law Bishops bee and doe remaine ordinaries yet aswell vppon those words of the statute 25. H. 8. without offending of the prerogatiue Royal as vpon the statute of 1. Eliz. c. 1. there remaineth a scruple and ambiguitie whether it be not hurtfull or derogatorie vnto the Kinges prerogatiue Royall that Ordinaries should vse and exercise their ordinarie power improperly called spirituall without a commission vnder the great Seale or that such their power should be as immoderate and excessiue now as in times past it was by the papall canon law Concerning the first by the statut of 1. Eliz. c. 1. and by the statute of 8. Eliz. c. 1. the Queene was recognized to be in effect the Ordinarie The Queen was supreme ordinarie of ordinaries of Ordinaries that is the chief supream and Souveraigne ordinarie over all persons in all causes aswell ecclesiasticall as temporall Where it seemeth to followe that all the branches streames aswell of that power which improperlie is called spirituall as of that power which properly is called temporal should haue bene derived originally vnto the Bishop from her Highnes person as from the onlie head fountaine of all the same spiritual power within her Kingdomes in such maner and from and by such commission vnder the great Seale as her H. temporal Officers Iusticers Iudges had their authorities committed vnto them And to this opinion Maister D. Bilson seemeth to accord For all power Pag. 348 saith he is not onely committed to the sword which God hath authorised but is wholie closed in the sword Against the head that it shall not be head to rule and guide the feete can be no prescription by reason Gods ordinance for the head to governe the bodie is a perpetual and eternall law and the vsurpation of the members against it is no prescription but a confusion and the subuersion of that order which the God of heaven hath immutably decreed and setled Besides there resteth saith the Remonstrance Pag. 114. 130. vnto the Bishops of this Realm none other but subordinate delegate authoritie and that the matter heads wherein their iurisdiction is occupied are by and from the Christian Magistrats authoritie In whom as supream Governour all iurisdiction within her dominions aswell ecclesiastical as civill by Gods and mans law is invested and their authoritie ecclesiastical is but subordinat vnder God the Prince derived for the most part from the Prince From which two statutes iudgements of the 1. Eliza. c. 1 8. Eliz. c. 1 Governours of the Church conteined in these two bookes for these two bookes were seene allowed by the Governors of the church I leaue it to be coÌ„sidered if the Bishop did exercise the same improper and abusive spirituall power and iurisdiction ecclesiasticall onelie and alonelie in their owne names stiles and dignities and vnder their owne seales of office that also by authoritie of forraigne and papall lawes if I say the Bishop did these things after this this manner I leaue it then to be considered whether their exercise of such power were derogatorie and preiudiciall in a very high degree to the prerogatiues of the Royall Crown or not For my part because I find by the forraigne canon lawe that papall Bishops be the Popes sonnes and are privileged to carry the the print image of the Pope their father namely that they haue plenitudinen potestatis within their diocesses as the Ex de Maior oâ—â— Pope pretendeth to have power over the whole worlde For quilibet ordinarius saith the same law in sua diocaesi est maior quolibet principe and because also not withstanding what socuer the Bb. haue written that they were the Queenes Bb. and had their authoritie derived vnto M. Bilson pag. 330. them from the Queene they did in her life time put the same papall law in execution by the same law did take vpon them plenitudinem potestatis within their Diocesses I for my part I say can not as yet otherwise conceyue but that exceedinglie they did intrude them selues into the Royall preheminences priviledges prerogatiues of the Queene For by what other authoritie then by a certain plenarie power did they in their owne names for the gouernment of the The Bb. by a plenarie power devised promulged new canons with out the Queens assent seuerall Churches within their seuerall Diocesses from time to time make promulge and by vertue of mens corporall oathes put in execution what new Canons Iniunctions and articles soever seemed good vnto them without any licence or coÌ„firmation from the Queene first had and obteyned therevnto By which pretensed plenarie power it seemeth that the statute made to bring the Cleargie in submission to the King was covertlie deluded and our late Soveraigne Ladie the Queene cunningly bereaved of that regall authoritie over euerie partieular Diocesan or Ordinarie which notwithstanding by the Parleament was giuen vnto her Highnes over the whole body and state of the Clergie For if once there be no necessitie of the Kings licence assent or confirmation to such articles canons or iniunctions as euerie ordinarie shall make within his iurisdiction then must it bee intended that the statute of submission hath covertlie permitred severall members severally to doe to execute those things which apparantly in expresse termes the whole convocation was commaunded and with the same in verbo sacerdotij had promised not to doe then the which what can seeme more vnreasonable and absurd For then might all the Ordinaries ioyne hand in hand and agree all togither in one never in anie of their convocations assembled by the Kinges writt to devise make or promulge any canons Ecclesiasticall at all And what assent licence or confirmation from the King could then bee needfull Or how then was the Cleargie brought in submission to the King For then should it not be with them as it is in the proverbe A threefold coard is not easilie brokeÌ„ but then should it be with them contrarie to the proverbe for
as robbers and ransackers of the church And that some of the plotters for the Prelacie more honestlie might haue imployed both their Latine and their labour then latelie they did When by drawing letters as they pretended congratulatorie to the King onlie in the name of preaching Ministers they procured notwithstanding ignorant vnpreaching Ministers to ioyne in the action and to affix their handes and names That such letters haue bene made and signed is sufficientlie to bee proved but whether they haue ben presented to the Kinges handes is not yet knowne Onely if they shall hereafter come then may they be known by these wordes Nos Concionatores c. ab omni domestica capacitate eorum qui pretextu religionis ecclesiae insidiantur My Lord the King is wise according to the wisedome 2 Sā 14. 24 of an Angell of God to vnderstand all things whereof he is informed The third meanes to reduce impropriations vnto the possession of the Ministerie Publick redemption of impropriations is by way of publicke redemption or purchase For the accomplishment whereof it is necessarie that not onelie a common treasure be provided but also that the price of impropriations by a publicke consent be valued at a reasonable rate to make which rate will bee a matter of small weight whether they be valued to be bought and sould at their old and auncient or at their new improved rentes To provide a common treasure though to some it may seeme a matter intricate and troublesome yet seeing the same possiblie and convenienlie may be done there is no cause that men should feint before they fight or be at an end before they beginne It is written that the cause when Kinge Solomon 1 K. 9. 15. raised the tribute to wit was to build the house of the Lorde his owne house and Millo and the wall of Ierusalem After that wicked Athaliah and 2. Cron. 24 her children had broken vp the hous◠of God had bestowed all the things that were dedicate for the house of the Lorde vpon Baalim King Ioash commanded the Priestes and Levites to goe vnto the Cities of Iudah and to gather of al Israell money to repayre the house of God from yeare to yeare and they made a chest and made Proclamation to bring the tax of Moses the Princes reioyced and brought in and cast into the chest And when there was much silver they emptied the chest and caryed it to his place againe and thus day by day they gathered silver in abundance If thē towards the building of an earthlie house the Princes people of Iudah and Israell willinglie with ioy of their heartes from yeare to yeare and from day to day threwe silver in abundance into the chest how much more were it praise worthy if Christian people did encourage them selves to pay a small tribute towards the provision of a competent maintenance for their spirituall Pastours by whose labours as livelie stones they might be buylded vp into a spirituall temple in the Lord That manie and great taxes and tributes of late yeares haue bene made for many vses and to many purposes there is no man ignorant thereof And therfore though there bee litle reason that the people standing alreadie burdened with great charge should be again recharged especiallie when without any extraordinarie burden there is an ordinarie meanes if the same were accordingly bestowed by the people yeelded to relieve the Ministers in all places with a decent and comelie portion yet notwithstanding to be eased from those publicke payments and annuall greevances imposed by the ecclesiasticall Courtes vpon the people it is not to be doubted but the Parishioners in al places would willinglie pay any reasonable taxe or tribute to be demanded of them for this purpose An other meanes to rayse this publike treasure may be a dissolution of all free The dissolution of Chappels may bee a good meane to rayse a tribute Chapples and Chapples of ease in the Countrey together with an vnion of two or moe churches into one especiallie in Cities and great Townes For as in these Cities and Townes the poorest meanest livings be provided so generallie for the most part are they fitted with the poorest and meanest Curates as by most lamētable experience is to be seene in all the Episcopall cities of the Realm excepting London Nay the chiefe and Metropolitane citie of Canterburie is not to bee excepted For in that Citie there being about 12. or 13. Parish churches there hath not bene ordinarilie of late yeares aboue 3. or 4. able Preachers placed in the same Churches The Chapples to be dissolved and the Churches to be consolidated by two and two into one one can be no fewer in number then one thousand at the least All which if they might be solde the money to bee raysed vpon their sale could be no lesse then twentie thousand poundes if they were soulde onlie for twentie pounds a peece But if they be well worth double or treble so much then would the treasure also bee doubled or trebled This dissolution of Chapples and vnion of Churches is no new devise nor strange innovation But hath ben heretofore thought vpon and in some parte confirmed alreadie by our Kinges in their Parleaments Touching the dissolution of Chapples the most Dissolution of Chappels noe newe devise reverēd Father Thomas Crammer Archbishop of Camterburie with the residue of the Kings Commissioners appointed for the reformation of Ecclesiasticall lawes alloweth of the same And for the vnion of Churches there was an acte made 27. H. 8. so they exceeded not the value of six pounds And by a statute Titu de eccles gard fol. 54. r. Ed. 6. it was lawfull for the Mayor Recorder of the Citie of Yorke and the Ordinarie or his Deputie six Iustices Lawfull for the Maior of Yorke c. to vnite Churches in the Citie of Yorke of the peace in the same Citie to vnite and knit together so many of the poore Parishes of the same Citie and suburbes of the same as to thē should be thought convenient to be a living for one honest incumbent And it was lawfull for the said Mayor Recorder and Aldermen to pull downe the Churches which they should think superflous in the said citie and suburbes of the same and to bestow the same towardes the reparation and enlargement of other Churches of the Bridges in the Citie and to the reliefe of the poore people The considerations which moved the King and Parleament What reasons moved K. Ed 6. to vnite churches in York may moue King Iames to vnite Churches in Canterburie c. to ordeyne this act were these viz. The former incompetēcie of honest livings the former necessitie of taking verie vnlearned and ignorant Curates not able to do any part of their duties the former replenishing of the Citie with blinde guides and Pastors the former keeping of the people aswell in ignorance of their
be continued but to continue evill And what a thing were that This argument then for lawes setled being the sophisme of that Fox Steven Gardener is but a quarelsome and wrangling argument Admonition If this goverment whereof they Pag. 7◠speake be as they say necessarie in all places then must they haue of necessitie in everie particular parish one Pastor a companie of Seniors and a Deacon or two at the least al those to be found of the parish because they must leaue their occupations to attende vpon the matters of the Church But there are a number of Parishes in England not able to finde one tollerable Minister much lesse to find such a companie Assertion This argument seemeth to be drawne from kitchin profite and is but a bugbegger to scarr covetous men from submitting their neckes vnto the yoke of that holy Discipline which our Savior Christ hath prescribed and which the Admonitor himselfe confesseth to haue bene practised by the Apostles and primitive Church And yet because this argument seemeth to lay a very heavie burden on mens shoulders such as is impossible to be borne it is an argumēt That Seniours Deacons should be found at the charge of the Parish is absurd worthy to bee examined though in it selfe the same be very vntrue absurd For who did ever fancie that a Pastour a company of Seniours and a Deacon or two at the least should be men of occupations or that they should be all found of the parish because they must leaue their occupations to attend vpon the matters of the Church Why there be many hūdreths of parishes in England wherein there dwelleth not one man of an occupation And what reason then or likelihood of reason was there to father such an absurd necessitie vpon the Church As for the necessitie of having one Pastour in every particular parish and of his finding by the parish because it is his duety to attend vpon reading exhortation doctrine although he be no man of occupation this I say is agreable consonant to the goverment of the church practised by the Bishops And therefore in the finding having of one Pastour in every parish they and we differ not But that men of occupations onelie should bee chosen Seniours and Deacons in every parish or if Seniours and Deacons were men of occupations in any parish that they should bee all found of the parish wee vtterly disclayme as an absurditie of absurdities And yet wee deny not but in Cities and great Townes wherin for the most part men of trade do inhabite that Seniours Deacons must of necessitie be men of occupations Vnlesse then an occupation must of necessitie hinder men from being faithfull religious godly men there is no reason to inforce that mē of occupations in Cities and great townes should not be chosen Seniors and Deacons And as for Countrey parishes What kinde of mē ought to be chosen Seniours Deacons wherein either verie fewe or no men of occupations doe reside this obiection is altogether idle In which parishes also we affirme that men of greatest gravitie integritie wisedome faith and godlines ought to be chosen Seniours and Deacons And we doubt not but all such men as whom we intend ought to bee chosen Seniours and Deacons whether dwelling in Cities Townes or in the Coūtrey would be as readie as willing and as watchfull prudentlie to imploy them selues hereafter in matters of the Church as now either them selues or their equalles are busied in matters of their corporations or common weale without anie maner of contribution to be yeelded towards their finding When the people of Israell were commanded to pay their tythes first fruites and other oblations vnto the Priestes Levites for their attendance and service in the Sāctuarie we doe not reade in the whole booke of God that they were inioyned to be helpers and cōtributors to the reliefe and sustentation of the Captaynes over thousands of the Captaines over hundreds nor of the Elders Governours placed Citie by Citie for the affaires of the King And therefore sithence we haue neither precept nor president that all the officers of the church should bee founde at the costes of the Church and sithence also as well in Coūtrey parishes as in Cities townes to the prayse and glorie of God be it spoken we haue many able wealthie substantiall persons who haue giuen their names vnto Christ what necessitie is there that any such Seniours and Deacons should be elected as haue need to be relieved and supported by a common purse And had the Admonitor wel and advisedlie pōdered that our Church Church wardens side men are not found at the chardges of the parishes Wardens side men who carie a semblance of governing Seniours that our collectors also for the poore who iustle out the Deacons being all of them men of occupations poore husbandmen or day labourers and being not founde of the parish are notwithstandinge oftentimes in the yere troubled and turmoyled from one end of the Diocesse vnto the other and that which is more from attendance vpon their day labour husbandrie and occupations to weight and to attend not vpō matters of the church but vpon money matters perteyning to the officers of the Bb. Consistorie Had he I say wiselie and sincerelie considered these things he would certeinlie not once haue mencioned this so sillie and simple a suggestion But quite cleane to cutt of at one blow all the skirtes of the coat of this sillie bulbegger that the verie buttockes of it may bee bare and that the church may see there is no such burdensome charge to bee layde vpon her as is feyned the graue and godlie iudgement and policie of King Edward The iudgemēt of King Ed. the sixt cōmissioners touching Elders and Deacons the sixt his Commissioners authorized to compile a booke for the reformatiō of lawes ecclesiasticall according to an Act of Parleament in that behalfe provided shall rise vp for vs and pleade the trueth and equitie of this our sayinges The Commissioners names were these viz. The most reverend Father Thomas Crammer Archbishoppe of Canterburie Thomas Bishoppe of Ely Richard Cox the Kings Almoner Peter Martyr professor of Divinitie William May Rowland Taylor Doctors of the Lawe Sir Iohn Cheeke Iohn Lucas Richard Goddericke Maister Hadon and others All Titul de diuiois officijs cap. 10. fol. 45. which reverend learned and religious men as with one voyce accord speak one thing so thus and thus they speake Evening prayer being finished wherevnto all shal be attēdant after sermon in their owne Churches the chief minister whom they call Parochies and the Deacon if happely they shal be present or they being absent let the Ministers Vicars and Elders lo the Archb. of of Cāterburie afterwards a godlie Martyr and Bishoppes can skill of the name of Deacon and Elders with the people conferr about the money put apart to
carefullie vse this his freedome And therefore he may not wholy and altogether put from him selfe and expose at haphazard the provision education instruction dieting appareling and lodging of his wife his sonnes his daughters and his servaunts vnto strangers neither may Husbandes Fathers nor Maisters giue their consent to the making of anie lawe or the bringing in of anie custome whereby their freedomes should be restreyned adnihiled or made voyde in this behalfe For by thus violating the rules and grounds by thus treading as it were vnder foote the equitie of Christ and the freedome they haue by the lawe of God should they not most prophanelie and impiouslie despight God and as it were over turne the whole order he hath set in nature And if the people may not cast off these rules and these groundes this equitie and this freedome in thinges apperteyning to this frayle bodily transitorie and earthlie life howe much lesse may they cast them off or sett litle by them in things apperteyning to the salvation of their soules and to a durable spirituall everlasting and heavenlie life But the peoples right to choose their Obiection that the peoples right did neuer depend vpō the expresse commandemēt of God Bishoppes did never depende vpon the expresse commaundement of God neither can the people chalendge by Gods law the right to chose their Bishoppes I meane saieth he no such thinge is expressed and conteyned in the Scriptures What then if it doe depend or bee conteyned vnder the generall groundes and rules of reason nature christian equitie christian societie principles of humane fellowshippes the law of God the practise of the Apostles and that which was from the beginning Is it not sufficient Though it bee not expressed in these termes viz That the people must chose or that the people haue right to choose their Bishoppes It is not expressed and conteyned in the scriptures that everie man must choose his owne wife or that everie woman must choose her own husband And yet by the doctrine expressed or conteyned in the scriptures is it true that no man hath right either to choose an other mans wife or to choose an other womans husband And that everie man hath right to chose his owne wife and every woman right to choose her owne husbande Againe it is not expressed and conteyned in the scriptures that infantes must bee baptized Neither is it expressed and conteyned in the scriptures that the Bishopp of Lichfield must haue but one wife Yet because it is conteyned in the scriptures that God in the beginning brought but one woman vnto one man and gaue to one woman but one husband I assure my selfe it wil not be denied but that the Bishops must and doth content him selfe with one wife and that every Christian ought to bring their children to be Baptized Besides if Maister Bilson distinguish Bishops in England from Pastors in England and Arch-Bishops in England and Pastours in England two severall orders and degrees of Ministers in the Church of England then I graunt that it is neither expressed nor cōteyned in the Scriptures that the people must choose their Bishops in England And why but because the Scriptures having put no difference betwene Bishops and Pastours knowe no such Bishops as wee haue in Bishopps in England are only Bishops by the Kings grace not by diuine institution England And therfore Bishops in England being Bishops only by the Kinges grace and not by divine institution and ordination as Pastours in Englande be hence is it that the Kings of England by their prerogatiue Royall and not the people by the rule of Scriptures haue chosen their Bishops in England And for this cause also was it that Kinge Henry the eight with advise of the Parleament did reassume the nomination appointment investiture cōfirmation of his Kingly Bishops from the Pope As for the nomination of Pastoures having cure of soules in parishes otherwise Pastors in parochiall Churches were neuer placed by the King as Bb. are in their Bishoprickes then all patrones by right of patronage doe giue presentmentes their choyse institution translation or deprivation the Kings of Enland by their regall power never yet hetherto tooke the same vpon them And if the Kinges of England by any fact or by any law did never take away the right interest and freedome from the people in choosing their Pastours what right other then by vsurpation can the Bishops haue to impose or thrust vpon the people Pastours without their liking But by custome and consent the people haue restreyned them selves Herevnto if it were not already sufficiently answered that the people could not lawfully restreine them selves yet Maister Bilson him selfe answereth That the late Bb. of The people lost their cōsent by cursing fighting of the Popes Rome neuer left cursing fighting till they had excluded both Prince and people and reduced the electiō wholy to the Clergie By cursing and fighting then haue the people bene overruled and excluded and not by custome or consent haue they restreyned them selues Yea by vertue of this cursed fight onely doe the Bishoppes of Englande at this day exclude both Prince and people from medling in the choyse of Pastoures For by authoritie of the canon law made by those late cursing and fighting Bishopps of Rome the Bishoppes of Englād haue the sole ordination and placinge of Pastours over the people And from hence also is it playne that the peoples right was not by their default or abuse relinquished and forfeyted For then then late Bishoppes of Rome needed not to haue cursed and fought for it And now whether it bee not meete that the Lord Bb. professing them selues to bee Christian Bishoppes should still reteyne in their handes and not restore vnto Christian people the possession of their Christian equitie and freedome extorted from them by the cursings and fightinges of antichristian Bb. I leaue it to the consideration of the reverende Bishoppes them selues Touching the mischieves and inconveniences of schisme troubles strifes contentions so often inculcated and so much vrged and excepted against the election of the people there is no man able as I thinke to produce any one pregnant proofe out of any auncient or late Historie that any Kinge or Soveraigne power hath interposed any supreame authoritie to appease any discord or dissentiō ensuing or raised vpō the bare choise made of any meere Parochiall Pastour by any faithfull and Christian people The schismes strifes and factions that were raysed in the old Schismes contentions spring from schismaticall and proud clergy maisters Churches sprang out and flowed onely from the heads and fountaynes of those schismes strifes factions and namely from proud ambitious and hereticall Bishops and great Clergie maisters For they being infected and poysoned with the contagion of schisme and heresie having sowred the mindes of their Disciples with the leaven of their hereticall doctrines no merveile if the people
perinde vares pluralities non residencies wherin not the people to be taught but their owne backes and bellies to bee clothed and fedde is wholy respected Now theÌ„ that this manner of goverment wherin the afore specified and the like discoÌ„modities daylie fall out vnder colour of not diminishing the Kings prerogatiue of not altering lawes setled of not attempting dangerous innovations of the preserving of the right of Patrones Bb. and Archd. should still be continued without any mention or remembrance to be once had of their discontinuance especiallie in the time of peace vnder a Christian Magistrate and in a state as he sayeth reformed wee humbly leaue to the wise and mature deliberation of our most Christian King and State in Parleament And we most humbly beseech the King State that indifferentlie freelie and largelie it may be argued SupplicatioÌ„ to the Kinge and State in Parleament heard and examined whether it be possible that the tenth parte of these or anie other the like disorders corruptions grievances can possibly fall out in the church by that platforme of Discipline which is required to be planted And to the end that the Kings Maiestie and the State might rightlie and perfectlie bee Petition ordinatioÌ„ c. of Ministers or Pastours howe the same may be made without Bb. or ArchdeacoÌ„s not disagree able to divers lawes alreadie setled informed and resolved of those pointes whereof we now speake viz of the petition ordination election presentation and admittance of every Parochiall Pastour to any church with cure of soules how the same may stand and not be disagreeable to diuers lawes alreadie setled and in force it is requisite that the substance of these thinges in this place bee intreated of wherein against the base office meane person of the Archdeacon we oppose the Royall office most excellent person of the King against the immoderate office and stately person of one lordly Bishop we oppose the meeke and teÌ„perate cariage of a Senat or Presbyterie of many wise learned and grave Ministers togither with a Reverend assemblie of the Ancientes and chiefe Fathers of every Church destitute of a Pastour As for the Patrones right wee are so far from diminishing any iotte of the true right which by laws setled he ought to haue as that he shall quietlie possesse his interest and that with lesse trouble and expence yea and with greater priviledge then he did before Thus therefore touching the office and person of the King the duetie of the Presbiterie people the right of the Patron and the person of the Minister to bee ordeyned thus and thus we saye and thus and thus as we think may our sayings well stand with lawes setled By an Act primo Eliz. c. 1. the King hath ful power and authoritie by letters pateÌ„tes vnder the great seale of England when and as often as need shall require as he shall thinke meete and coÌ„venient and for such and so long time as shall please his H. to assigne name authorize such person or persons beeing naturall born subiectes as his Maiestie shal thinke meete to exercise vse occupie exequut vnder his H. all manner of iurisdictions privileges and preheminences in any wise touching or concerning any spirituall or ecclesiasticall iurisdiction within this Realme of Englande Agayne by the booke of ordeyning Bishoppes Priestes and Deacons it is prescribed that the Bishoppe with their The Bb. Priests must lay on their hands Priestes shall laye their handes severally vpon the heads of everie one that receaveth Orders that every one to be made a Minister must be of vertuous conversation and without crime sufficientlie instructed in the holy Scriptures a man meete to exercise his ministerie duelie that he must be called tried and examined that he must bee presented by the Archd. and be made openly in the face of the Church with prayer to God and exhortation to the people And in a statute made 21. of King H. 8 it is affirmed That a Bishoppe must haue sixe The Bishops must vse six Chapleines at giuing of orders Chapleines at giving of orders Besides by an ancient and lowable custome the Parishes and Parish Churches within every Archdeaconrie remayne vnto this daye distributed into certaine Deanries Every Archdeacon devided into Deanries amoÌ„g the Ministers of which Deanries the Parson or Vicar of the auncientest Church commonly called the Mother Church of the Deanrie vnles by consent some other be chosen by the Ministers them selues hath the first place and is the chief director and moderator of whatsoever things are propounded in their Synodall meeting which Minister also is called Archipresbiter or Decanus curalis according to the appellation of the chief Minister of the mother or chiefe church of that Diocesse who is called Archipresbiter or Decanus cathedarlis so that vnto this day these Ministers meeting at the ArchdeacoÌ„s visitations once in a yeare at the least there remayneth in the Church of England a certaine image or shadowe of the true ancient Apostolicall conferences and meetings Wherefore from these lawes from this ancient maner of the meetinges of Ministers and of having one principal and chief moderator amongst them according to the Apostolicall practise and vsage of the primatiue church thus alreadie setled in the church of England wee humbly leave it to bee considered by the Kings Maiestie First whether it were not meete and convenient for his Highnes by his letters patentes vnder the great Seale of A Minister to be ordeined by the Bishops and a companie of Ministers at the Kings commandement England to assigne name authorize the Bishops six or moe Ministers within everie Deanerie continually resiant vpon their benefices and diligentlie teaching in their charge to vse and execute all maner of iurisdiction privilege and preheminence concerning any spirituall ordination election or institution of Ministers to bee placed in the Parochiall Churches or other places with cure of soules within Secondlie when any Parish Church or other place with cure of soules shal be voide whether it were not meete convenient that the auncientes and chiefe Fathers of that place within a time to be limited for that purpose should intimate the same vacancie vnto the office Vacancie of a benefice to be intimated to the kings office of the Kings civill Officer appointed for that Shire or Diocesse to the end the same Officer by authoritie froÌ„ the King might command in the Kings name the Bishop and other Ministers to elect and ordeine and the people of the same place to approve allow of some able and godlie person to succâ—ede in the Church Thirdly the Patrone if the same be A lay patrone insteed of varying his Clerck may present two Clerkes at one time a common and laie person having now libertie to vary his Clerk if he be found vnable whether it were not meete and convenient to avoid all maner of varying that within
paynefullie attended vpon him in the Court then will many fathers incite and encourage their sonnes to prepare and furnish them selues to the warres and to the Court But if all mens sonnes in the campe and in the court be capable of enterteynments alike if as well a labourers sonne following the cart as a noble mans sonne a wayter in court may be the Kings lord Chamberlayne in time of peace and if as well a carpet knight as a valiant warriour may be lord generall in time of warre would any father for many yeeres together costly and gorgeouslie braue his sonne at Court or would any father adveÌ„terouslie and dangerouslie hazard his sonne in the field Againe fathers do not therfore send their sonnes to be students at the Innes of Court or to be apprentices in the Citie of London only in regard that they may bee all great Citizens and all great rich men all great lawyers and al great Iudges of the land It sufficeth all parentes and the purpose and intent of all parentes is that their sonnes become such lawyers and such Citizens as by their lawe and by their trades they may thriue and liue baâ—resterlike lawyerlike marchantlike citizen-like though they be not able to liue Serieantlike or Iudge-like Alldermanlike or Lord-like In like sort questionles would it be an excellent encouragement to many fathers to sende manie sonnes vnto many Scholes and Vniuersities of learning if so bee there were manie and good rewardes rathet then few great rewardes provided for manie rather then for fewe learned men in the Church For if there be but fewe rewards albeit the same be great then but a few fathers among many will adventure the spending of their substance vppon a vayne hope that their sonnes shall obtayne great rewardes of learning For what father knoweth the capacitie and diligence of his sonne Or who can divine that his sonne shal be one among the number of a few men greatly learned worthie of a great reward to liue Deanlike Archdeaconlike Bishoplike or Archbishoplike Wherefore if such a change of the Clergie as whereof wee speake were made that is to saye if an vnlearned and vndiscreete ministerie were changed into a discreet and learned ministerie it is not to bee doubted but a farre greater number of sonnes would be sent by their fathers to the studie of good learning then now there be From whence also it followeth that either Papall Prelacie is the onely bane Prelacy the bane of a learned ministerie of a learned Ministerie or ells that an vnlearned Ministerie is the vntimely fruite of the wombe of Papall Prelacie Both which twaine rather then one of which twaine being true we leaue it to be considered whether the mother conceyving to soone or the daughter borne out of time or both as an after birth superfluous members should not bee cast away and cut of from the body of the Church The Admonitors next argument is drawen from the small continuance in the Vniversities Admonition Furthermore who seeth not how small continuance there shal bee in the Vniversities to make men of any profouÌ„d knowledge when the very necessitie of places shall draw men away before they come to any ripenes or profound knowledg c. Assertion This argument is as an headlesse arrowe shott against a corslet of steele out of a bow vnbent for what can this argument pearce when in effect the conclusion is thus If euery parish should haue a learned and discrete Minister theÌ„ men should haue but small coÌ„tinuance in the Vniversitie to make them men of ripenes or of any profound knowledge But that men should be of small continuance in the Vniversity and should be drawen away before they come to ripenes or perfound knowledge is not meete Therefore it is not meete that euery Parish should haue a learned discret Minister The reason of which consequence is this viz. The very necessitie of places Pag. 80. saith he shall draw men away before they come to any ripenes The learnednes then and discretion of a Minister by his reason dependeth vpon his long continuance in the Vniversitie And what shall we then say of the learnednes and discretion of such Ministers of the Bishops making as did never continue in the Vniversitie one day in all their whole life but herevnto they answere that the very necessitie of the one is so great as that the people must haue prayer said and the Sacraments administred least the people in the country should grow to an heathnish barbaritie vnto which aunswere againe I reply and reason thus If a man of vnlearnednes and without knowledge ripenes may be a Minister then a man of small vnlearnednes of small knowlege and of small ripenes may bee a Minister much more and againe If necessitie of places may draw men of no continuance in the Vniversitie of no knowlege and of no ripenes into the Ministerie then may the necessitie of places drawe men of small continuance knowledge and ripenes But the necessity of places may draw men of no continuance knowledge or ripenes into the Ministery Therefore the necessity of places may drawe men of small continuance knowledge and ripenes into the Ministery The second proposition of which sillogisme is confirmed by practise precept by worde and by deede of most of our reverend Bb. And then from their owne practise I argue thus If the necessitie of sayinge prayers of reading seruice and of deliuerie of the elements bâ— of necessitie of necessitie require vnlearned Faith more necessary to be preached then the Sacraments be administred ministers rather then no ministers then much more the necessitie of hauing faith the necessitie of the saluation of our soules and the necessitie of God his glorie is of necessitie and being of necessitie requireth ministers of small learning of small continuance of small knowledge and of small ripenes rather then ministers of no learning no continuance no knowledge and of no ripenes And if Faith saluation of men and the glorie of God as soundly and as sincerelie may be preached and promoted by yong and rude Timothy as by aged learned and eloquent Apollo what necessitie is there of continuance in the Vniuersitie to obteyne more profound knowledge or anie other riper vnderstaÌ„ding then is that knowledge that vnderstanding whereby faith to the saluation of men to the glorie of God is of necessitie to be preached Agayne if by continuance in the Vniuersitie profouÌ„d knowledge ripenes be so necessarie that as is pretended in respect thereof a change of the Clergie may not bee made and that vnlearned vndiscreet ministers as it were by necessitie should still be placed then seemeth it reasonable to moue the Lord Bishoppes that it would please them to effect an abolishment of some of the statutes of all the Colledges in Oxford and Cambridge whereby all Maisters of Art of what youth ignorance or rudenes soever they be excepting some
translate yea and if it please him to depose all his Kingly Bishoppes without anie cōsent of his people at all For say we eius est destruere cuius est construere eius est tollere cuius est condere Neither will we dislike but rather content our selues that our late Queenes Bishoppes if they shall finde fauour in the Kings eyes should be also the Kings Bishoppes condicionallie they submit them selues to the lawes prerogatiues of the Kings Crowne content themselues with the only name of Kinglie and Princelie Bishoppes not challenge anie more the titles of Godly and Christian Bishoppes as though without iniurie to the law of God and Gospell of our Savior Christ they could not be dispossessed of their Lordlie Bishoprickes And therefore our most humble prayer to the King is that his Maiestie would be pleased that such his Kingly Bishops may not henceforth overcrow and iustle our Gods Bishoppes nor haue any primacie over Gods Bishoppes And withall that the King him self would vouchsafe to hearken to the doctrine of such as are in deed Gods Bishoppes rather thē to the Counsel of those who lately were the Queenes Bishoppes As touching the second part viz. whether Mai. Bilson confirmeth the peoples election of their Pastour Pag. 339. the people by Gods lawe must elect their Pastours or no Maister Bilson by reasons and profes brought for the first vse of it rather confirmeth then impugneth the same For saith he Well may the peoples interest stande vppon the groūds of reason and nature and be deriued from the rules of Christian equitie and societie That each Church and people stand free by Gods law to admit mainteyne or obey no man as their Pastour without their likinge vnlesse by law custome or consent they haue restreyned them selues That the people 360. had as much right to choose their Pastour as the Clergie that had more skill to iudge That the Apostles left elections indifferenthe to the people Clergie at Ierusalem That the Apostles in the Actes when they willed the Church at Ierusalem to chose the seuen did not make anie remembrance or distinction of the seuentie Disciples from the rest And lastlie against the cursing fighsting of the late Bishoppes of Rome till 359. excluding both Prince and people from yeelding his consent or making their request they had reduced the election wholie to the Clergie he telleth them by their leaue it was not so from the beginning From all which sayinges of Maister 339. Bilson I conclude thus Whatsoeuer is right lawfull and free by the lawe of God whatsoeuer standeth vpon the groundes of reason and nature whatsoeuer is deriued frō Christian equity and society whatsoeuer is from the beginning and was left by the Apostles to the Church at Ierusalem the same ought still to remayne and must bee kept inviolable in the Church But the peoples interest to choose their Pastore is right is lawfull is free by the lawe of God standeth vppon the grounds of reason and nature is aeriued from Christian equity society is from the beginning and was left by the Apostles to the church at Ierusalem Therefore the peoples interest to choose their Pastoure ought still to remayne and must bee kept inuiolable in the Church The whole proposition and euery part thereof together with the assumpt and euery part thereof is drawen from Mr Bilsons owne confession Onely to the proposition hee hath annexed certeyne condicions or exceptions viz. Vnlesse by law custome or consent the people haue restreyned themselues or transferred or altered their right or els by their default or abuse the canons counsels superior powers princely or publicke lawes haue abridged altered or abrogated the same Now then it remayneth to know whether any consent default abuse custome canons counsels superiour powers publike or Princely Edicts may bee a good and sure warrant to abridge transferr or abrogate the peoples interest from hauing to doe in the choyse of their Pastours Our Sauiour Christ whē he came in the flesh he came to reforme the abuse crept in of the Law and to improue the corruptions of doctrine taught by the Scribes Pharisies and Doctors of the lawe but hee tooke not away any least title of the law ne abolished any iote of true sound doctrine in the Church The Gospell teacheth vs to order our iudgements aright to bridle the vnrulines of our affections to moderate our inordinate appetites But yet doth not the same commaund vs to empty our soules of all iudgement to bury our affections in our bellies and to become as dead as stones without all sense or appetite In like sort wee graunt that custome consent Canons Coūcills Superiour powers publick princely Laws Canons and coūsells c. may bridle disordered electiōs but not disannul elections of the people altogether may reforme reproue restreyne direct moderate and bridle the disordered vnrulines and contentious brawlinges of the people in and about their elections yea and wee graunt further that they may alter abridge or enlarge the forme and manner of elections All this wee graunt but that Christian Kings or any Superiour powers may take this right into their owne handes as hee sayeth from the people or that the people by anie lawe custome consent canon or coūcill may transferre or abolite their right freedome and interest giuen and deduced vnto them by these rules and by these groundes I do not yet perceiue anie good groūd or reason for the same For in so doing howe should the holy wisedome and providence of God who hath imprinted in our nature these rules and these grounds this equitie and this freedome be so holily regarded and so highly reverenced as it ought to be For hath he made vs free men and can wee without contempt of this grace become bondmen Hath he given vs leaue and libertie to choose shall we with prophane Esau sett litle by this our birth-right and post our libertie vnto others for lesse then a messe of wort pottage And albeit in some cases that may bee well saide quod volenti non fit iniuria and that quilibet potest recedere 〈◊〉 suo iure yet the cases must bee such as a mans willingnes and readines to forgoe his right bee not tyed to him with so strong a bande as is the bande of the groundes of reason and nature of the rules of Christian equitie of the freedome of the lawe of God It is free I graunt for a man to eate or not to eate to drinke or not to drink but for a man not to eate at all or not to drinke at all and so with hunger and thirst to sterue him selfe is not free and in this case volenti sit iniuria Euery man that hath a wife that hath sonnes and daughters that hath men-servantes and mayd-servantes as by the verie instinct of nature and by rhe equitie of the lawe of Christ he hath freedome to provide for them so must hee