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A12793 The sale of salt. Or The seasoning of soules Namely such, as for whom the chapmen here doe come, and whom the author, which taketh the name of a salter, is willing, what in him lieth, to season with the salt of the Word, leauing the successe to the Lord, without whose blessing in such works we can do nothing. Written by Iohn Spicer, minister of the word of God at Leckhamsteed in the county of Buckingham. Spicer, John. 1611 (1611) STC 23101; ESTC S117790 175,913 412

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Rom. 22 9. Eph. 2.10 Tit. 2.11.22.13 wee teach with the Apostle that euery one that calleth on the name of Christ must depart from iniquity abhorre euill and cleaue to good for that God hath ordained good workes that we should walke in them and that the grace of God that bringeth saluation to all men hath appeared and teacheth vs that we should deny vngodlinesse and worldly lustes and that we should liue soberly righteously and godly in this present world looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of the mighty God and of our Sauiour Iesus Christ therefore neighbour doe not thinke th●t we shut out good workes from the life of a Christian or that we commend that kinde of dead faith whereof S. Iames speaketh that beléeueth there is a God but will do no good for Gods sake doe not condemne vs before you heare vs. Rom. I haue heard that you Protestants discerne the iust from the vniust by the law of Faith nnd not of workes did euer any of the ancient Catholiques so discerne the one of these from the other Guid. Hearken what Saint Augustinesaith Nostra Fides c. that is saith hee the Catholique faith discerneth the iust from the vniust not by the law of works Contra duas epistolas pelag ad Bonifaciū lib. 3 cap. 5. Abac 2 but by the very law of faith because the iust liueth by faith By the which discerning it commeth to passe that a man liuing without Man-quelling without Theft without False-witnesse without coueting that is another mans rendring due honour to his parents bee so chaste that hee conteineth from all coupling euen in wedlock be very liberall in giuing Almes suffering iniuries with all patience which not onely taketh not away which belongeth to another but requireth not his owne being taken from him or hauing sold all that he hath and giuen it to the poore possesseth nothing of his owne yet with all these his laudable manners as it were if hee hold not the right Catholique faith towards God he may depart out of this life to be damned Now there is another which hath indéed good workes out of a right faith which worketh by loue but yet hee is such a one as matcheth not the other in manners hee sustaineth his incontinency with the honesty of marriage hee rendreth and requireth the debt of carnall copulation not onely for propagation 1. Cor. 7. but also for pleasure so as yet he lyeth with his onely wife which thing the Apostle granteth to the married secundum veniam according to leaue yet hee beareth not iniuries patiently but in his anger is caried with a desire of reuenge yet so as being requested he forgiueth that he may say Math. 6. As we forgiue our debters hée possesseth goods and of them giueth Almes not so largely as the other hee taketh not away that which is another mans but séeketh to haue his owne though not at the Common Law Ecclesiastico iudic●o non forens●● yet by iudgement Ecclesiasticall This man though hee seeme inferiour to the other in maners yet for the right Faith which he hath in God by the which Faith hee liueth and according vnto which he accuseth himselfe in all his faults prayseth God in all good workes giuing ignominie to himselfe glory to him and receiuing from him both pardon of sinnes and loue of well-doing hee departeth to bee deliuered from this life and to bee receiued into the fellowship of such as are to reigne with Christ Why but for Faith the which all-be-it it saueth none without works for that is no reprobate faith which worketh by loue yet by it also sinnes are loosed Abac. 2 because the iust liue by faith but without it euen those workes which séeme good are turned into sinne Rom. 14. For all that is not of faith is sinne Thus farre Saint Augustine where wee finde him twice citing the Prophet Abacuk to proue that euen the iust man doth liue by Faith and that the Catholique Faith in his time and which hee calleth our Faith discerneth the iust from the vniust by the Law not of works but of Faith Tract Yet that faith which which he speaketh of worketh by loue Guid. True for if it were idle or dead it could not apprehend Christ which is our righteousnes nor assure vs that we are especially called to Saluation through him Rom. You haue brought all this out of Saint Augustine to moue me to make more account of faith and to that end belike you would haue me to bee one of your hearers but if I should frame my selfe or rather if God should moue mee to hearken to your doctrine you must haue a care that your life be answerable thereto otherwise if you preach against swearing tipling dicing whooring couenant-breaking vnmercifulnesse c. and bee stained with any of these fowle spots your selfe I assure you though I make some account of Cappe and Surplesse and such like yet I shall thinke that you deserue to be depriued rather for being blotted with these deformities then for omitting these formalities Tract All your talke is to mee and my Cozen to haue vs come to Church but you say nothing to Cathara which hath no minde to be churched to knéele at Communion to the Ring in Marriage nor to haue her child crost after baptisme Cath. How doe you know what I doe your selues not beeing seene in the Church of a long time I beleeue if Tom Piper would play there once in seuen daies with his puplets we should haue you there weekly Rom. How say you by that loe your good word is ready at all times Madam Well let this prying into one anothers doing passe and pray God to giue you charitable hearts one towards another and remember that when the Lord saith he will giue his people one heart as you haue heard he doth promise it a blessing pray therefore that you may haue an vnity in the verity We liue here God be praised vnder a Christian magistrate which no doubt is greeued to see his subiects thus diuided he would faine haue an vnity and the same declared by an vniformity and that in some externall things In which though hee doe not yet your Priests seeme to put a kinde of holinesse and religion and all as I thinke to draw you to feede on matters of better quality that will indeed nourish But wee see by a fearefull experience that the more our church yeeldeth to the formal coats the readier some are to cut our throats whether wee mourne or pype you will neither weep nor daunce with vs God turne your hearts if it be his will that you may come pray and praise God with vs. Truly Mistresse Romana your Papists are in a drowsie dreame you thinke you see S. Peter whom some of you make porter stand ready to let you into Heauen for being so willing to destroy those which say with him speaking of Iesus Christ there is no other
God according to their gift haue a care to do Tract But when men ●arre and do not agree about the sense or meaning of some hard places of scripture is it not good and great quiet to the Church that some one in authority should strike the stroke and say Let it be taken thus Guid. What if one mans exposition proue worse then ail the rest shall we build our faith for quyetnesse sake vpon a false interpretation Indeed it were a blessed thing if any one might be found any where that could and would alwaies hit aright and neuer misse but because you cannot name any such a one on earth the safest and surest way is for each Christian King in his owne dominion to call vnto hin● the greatest godliest and best learned and so they altogether to vse the meanes which the learned professors of the Gospell iudge to be best for the vnderstanding of the darker places and so through Gods helpe finding the truth hold the people to it by such discipline as shall be thought most fit for the glory of God and the good of the Church Tract By that meanes it may bee that each particular Church may yeelde to that which the chiefe in that church shall affirme to bee soundest But yet one particular Church may for all that dissent from another as England frō Spaine in many points especially if any Church would notwithstanding they would seeme to vse that meanes bow the sense to the opinion they haue long fauoured and not their opinions to that sense vnto which the meanes you spake of if they would suffer it would draw it And so mens affections ouer-ruling the meanes though there may be some vnity in the particular yet there will be still a war in the vniuersall and therfore if you wil haue a generall vnity there must be a generall Councell in which some godly learned men out of all parts of Christendome must meete and all shew themselues willing to the truth and to embrace vnity and vniformity So might we haue one translation and one interpretation throughout all Christendome which though they differed in Language should be all one in sense Guid. If any in that generall meeting will be froward and labour to draw as you said the sense to their opinion they may all goe home againe and conclude nothing It is well knowne that latter Councels haue vndone that which some former haue decréed and that there hath béene iarring and erring in Councels Tract Haue Councels erred Guid. If one decrée for the obseruation of any thing and an other decree against the same thing one of these must needes erre Rom. You must needs grant that cozen Guid. Your cozen may sée this proued to be true in the writing of sundry men if it please him Tract Well it may bee that men seeing the inconueniency of such iarring and varying will be wiser now and take heed they decree nothing which others in time to come shall haue iust cause to gaine-say and vndoe And they shal the better effect this if they begin with prayer and some ancient godly man to exhort the rest that as they haue the feare of God any sound faith in Iesus Christ any true zeale any loue to Gods Church any care to quiet mens consciences they should laying aside all bitter and biting words all partiality all hunting after vaine-glory earnestly carefully painfully and charitably conferre and trauell to bring one sound Translation one forme of sound doctrine and one good gouernment in the Church in all Nations Guid. I doubt the Protestants will hardly be drawne to goe among such as not onely count them Heretikes but also hold that no promise no faith is to be kept with them Your dealing heretofore with Iohn Husse and Hierom of Prage and your late Powder plots are able to make any were he neuer so willing to seeke peace to be a fraide to come among you You talke much of Charitie it is a monstrous charity that is still seeking for bloud Our louing Redemer found fault with Peter for striking off a Seruants eare Mat. 26 51. and did you thinke to please him with blowing vp so many not Seruants but Maisters Lords yea the Lords Anoynted Wretched Fauxe neyther thou Mat. 5.36 nor any man can make an haire white or blacke Tract Good Maister Guide-well talke no more of such Catholike conclusions I for my part am ashamed of them and so I thinke are all such as haue not their consciences seared with a hotte Iron let such bloudy deuises returne to Hell from whence they came let vs now here what is thought of the Learned to be the best means to cōe by the true sense of the Scriptures which as Saint Peter sayth P 3. 316. are peruerted by such as are vnlearned and vnstable Guid. There be diuers meanes which if they be rightly vsed will no doubt further vs well in that search The first is Prayer Aske and it shall be giuen you The second is the knowledg of the originall tongues chiefely required in translators for except we vnderstand the words how shall we find the sence The third is the Word to consider what is spoken properly what figuratiuely VVhit controuer l. p 349. 350. 351. c. It is a miserable bondage of the Soule sayth Austin to take the Signes for the Things That is to interpret those things properly that are spoken figuratiuely The fourth is to consider the scope the end the matter the circumstance what went before and what followeth after If thou wilt enter into life saith Christ keepe the Commandements Here-hence our Aduersaries do gather that we are iustified by works not marking to what man our Sauiour Christ made that answere euen to him verily which leaning to the opinion of his owne righteousnes demaunded what thinges he might doe that he might obtaine eternall life such men as trust to their own workes are worthily sent to the Law the so they may vnderstand how farre they bee from perfect righteousnesse The fift meane is to conferre one place with another the obscure with such as bee more plaine Saint Iames saith Abraham was iustified by workes Ia. 2.21 Saint Paul saith Abraham was not iustified by workes for then he should haue wherein to boast Rom. 4.2 And that Paul spake in that place of workes which followed the calling of Abraham it is euident first because it is said Abrahā beleeued God and it was imputed to him for righteousnesse which all men know to haue bene long after his calling Secondly because Saint Paul commeth afterward to the example of Dauid who was an holy man renued by the Spirit of God called of God Wee must needs therefore grant that the word of Iustification is taken diuersly So that to be iustified with Iames is to bee declared iust as Thomas Aquinas himselfe vpon that place granteth but to be iustified with Paul is to bee absolued from all sinnes and to be