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i_o all_o the_o elder_n of_o your_o tribe_n and_o officer_n and_o deut._n 23._o v._o 1_o 2_o 3._o it_o be_v command_v that_o he_o that_o be_v hurt_v by_o burst_v or_o have_v his_o privy_a member_n cut_v off_o that_o be_v a_o bastard_n a_o ammonite_n or_o a_o moabite_n shall_v not_o enter_v into_o the_o congregation_n or_o ecclesia_fw-la even_o to_o the_o ten_o generation_n here_o ecclesia_fw-la or_o congregation_n can_v signify_v the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n for_o it_o have_v be_v unjust_a to_o exclude_v any_o man_n from_o the_o real_a church_n &_o consequent_o from_o god_n covenant_n that_o desire_v to_o be_v therein_o if_o it_o have_v be_v so_o they_o can_v not_o have_v receive_v any_o proselyte_n which_o be_v against_o god_n law_n exod._n 23.48_o where_o it_o be_v command_v to_o admit_v unto_o the_o passeover_n all_o stranger_n that_o will_v be_v circumcise_v so_o that_o which_o be_v say_v to_o the_o elder_n of_o israel_n that_o be_v the_o 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acquiesce_v unto_o their_o judgement_n 27._o to_o who_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o first_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n at_o their_o last_o farewell_n commit_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n and_o ordination_n to_o those_o it_o be_v to_o be_v commit_v at_o this_o present_a but_o to_o church-officer_n or_o to_o the_o representative_a body_n of_o the_o church_n alone_o do_v the_o apostle_n in_o the_o first_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n at_o their_o last_o farewell_o commit_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n ordination_n etc._n etc._n act_v 20._o 1_o pet._n 5._o ergo._n but_o our_o brethren_n reply_v that_o we_o can_v show_v any_o place_n in_o all_o the_o holy_a scripture_n or_o profane_a author_n where_o the_o word_n church_n be_v take_v in_o this_o signification_n viz._n for_o the_o representative_a church_n or_o congregation_n a._n whereunto_o we_o answer_v 1._o that_o the_o stile_n of_o scripture_n must_v not_o be_v seek_v in_o profane_a author_n but_o in_o scripture_n itself_o 2._o some_o give_v some_o example_n in_o profane_a author_n 3._o in_o scripture_n our_o adversary_n will_v never_o find_v any_o place_n wherein_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v take_v for_o all_o the_o real_a parochial_a church_n to_o the_o exclusion_n of_o child_n woman_n all_o those_o that_o have_v not_o the_o use_n of_o reason_n and_o that_o be_v notorious_o vicious_a as_o it_o be_v take_v by_o themselves_o 4._o we_o on_o the_o other_o side_n to_o confirm_v the_o signification_n wherein_o it_o be_v take_v by_o we_o viz._n for_o the_o representative_a congregation_n present_v they_o with_o these_o place_n 1_o exod._n 3._o v._o 14._o thus_o shall_v thou_o say_v unto_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n i._n e._n unto_o the_o representative_a body_n of_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n viz._n the_o elder_n of_o israel_n gather_v together_o as_o it_o be_v expound_v v._o 16.2_o exod._n 12._o in_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o passeover_n v._o 3._o speak_v you_o unto_o all_o the_o congregation_n of_o israel_n i._n e._n the_o elder_n which_o be_v the_o representative_a body_n of_o israel_n as_o it_o be_v expound_v v._o 21._o and_o reason_n confirm_v it_o for_o they_o can_v not_o in_o so_o short_a a_o time_n speak_v to_o all_o the_o real_a congregation_n compose_v of_o so_o many_o thousand_o neither_o can_v they_o easy_o be_v gather_v together_o into_o one_o place_n nor_o can_v it_o be_v do_v without_o apparent_a danger_n item_n numb_a 35.24_o in_o speak_v of_o murder_n through_o ignorance_n the_o revenger_n of_o the_o blood_n and_o the_o city_n of_o refuge_n it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o congregation_n shall_v judge_v between_o the_o slay_v and_o the_o revenger_n of_o blood_n according_a to_o those_o judgement_n without_o doubt_v the_o congregation_n here_o can_v signify_v all_o the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n i._n e._n the_o elder_n 1._o because_o so_o it_o be_v expound_v deut._n 19.2_o and_o josua_n 20.4_o 5_o 6._o 2._o because_o it_o be_v not_o for_o every_o one_o of_o the_o people_n or_o the_o real_a congregation_n but_o belong_v to_o the_o elder_n that_o be_v the_o representative_a body_n thereof_o to_o judge_v of_o the_o blood_n and_o deut._n 31.28_o gather_v unto_o i_o all_o the_o elder_n of_o your_o tribe_n and_o your_o officer_n the_o 70._o turn_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d now_o if_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v to_o congregate_v by_o the_o rule_n of_o conjugata_fw-la it_o follow_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v a_o congregation_n that_o be_v congregat_v or_o gather_v together_o from_o among_o the_o rest_n but_o the_o ecclesia_fw-la or_o congregation_n that_o be_v here_o gather_v together_o be_v not_o all_o the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n consist_v of_o elder_n etc._n etc._n as_o appear_v by_o the_o text_n ergo._n so_o it_o be_v say_v that_o solomon_n assemble_v the_o elder_n of_o israel_n and_o all_o the_o head_n of_o the_o tribe_n etc._n etc._n 1_o reg._n 8.1_o and_o that_o david_n assemble_v all_o the_o prince_n etc._n etc._n 1_o chro._n 28.1_o so_o the_o word_n congregation_n be_v take_v for_o the_o representative_a body_n thereof_o 1_o chro._n 13.1_o 2_o 3_o 4_o for_o david_n can_v not_o speak_v to_o all_o the_o congregation_n but_o to_o the_o captain_n and_o chieftain_n thereof_o as_o it_o appear_v v._o 1._o and_o 4._o 5._o neither_o can_v they_o all_o go_v with_o he_o deutrinomy_n 23.1_o 2_o 3._o it_o be_v command_v that_o neither_o he_o who_o be_v burst_a or_o that_o have_v his_o privy_a member_n cut_v off_o or_o that_o be_v a_o bastard_n a_o ammonite_n or_o a_o moabite_n shall_v enter_v into_o the_o congregation_n or_o in_o ecclesia_fw-la even_o to_o the_o ten_o generation_n here_o the_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la or_o congregation_n must_v not_o signify_v the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n for_o it_o shall_v have_v be_v unjust_a and_o cruel_a to_o have_v exclude_v from_o the_o church_n and_o consequent_o from_o the_o covenant_n of_o god_n any_o of_o those_o that_o desire_v to_o be_v admit_v thereunto_o 2._o for_o than_o they_o can_v not_o have_v receive_v any_o of_o those_o nation_n for_o proselyte_n to_o the_o ten_o generation_n 3._o because_o this_o be_v repugnant_a to_o another_o law_n of_o god_n exod._n 23.48_o where_o it_o be_v command_v to_o admit_v unto_o the_o passeover_n all_o stranger_n circumcise_v 28._o if_o every_o member_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v have_v power_n to_o govern_v or_o a_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o every_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n ergo_fw-la of_o teach_v also_o and_o of_o deaconship_n for_o there_o be_v a_o parity_n of_o reason_n in_o both_o for_o there_o be_v some_o point_n of_o controversy_n as_o hard_o to_o be_v judge_v as_o it_o will_v be_v to_o master_v a_o sermon_n and_o it_o be_v much_o difficulter_n to_o rule_v then_o to_o exercise_v the_o charge_n of_o
a_o deacon_n but_o the_o consequence_n be_v false_a as_o be_v grant_v by_o all_o neither_o can_v every_o one_o of_o the_o people_n assist_v and_o give_v their_o voice_n touch_v every_o alm_n that_o must_v be_v give_v to_o the_o poor_a yea_o it_o be_v very_o dangerous_a that_o every_o poor_a man_n shall_v judge_v for_o then_o all_o the_o poor_a shall_v judge_v one_o for_o another_o and_o hunt_v after_o the_o deaconship_n that_o they_o may_v keep_v the_o purse_n or_o give_v their_o advice_n upon_o every_o point_n of_o doctrine_n teach_v or_o to_o be_v teach_v nor_o shall_v they_o then_o need_v to_o learn_v at_o the_o sermon_n and_o before_o the_o pastor_n shall_v teach_v the_o people_n they_o must_v consult_v whether_o his_o doctrine_n be_v sound_a or_o not_o as_o in_o govern_v we_o consult_v whether_o this_o or_o that_o be_v to_o be_v do_v censure_v or_o not_o censure_v 29._o if_o every_o man_n have_v power_n to_o rule_v we_o need_v no_o rule_v elder_n for_o every_o member_n of_o the_o church_n be_v a_o rule_v elder_a since_o he_o may_v exercise_v ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n as_o the_o rule_v elder_n do_v but_o they_o hold_v the_o consequent_a to_o be_v false_a ergo._n they_o may_v answer_v that_o elder_n be_v needful_a to_o debate_v thing_n before_o they_o be_v propound_v to_o the_o people_n but_o that_o be_v only_o the_o duty_n of_o a_o committee_n and_o less_o than_o to_o judge_n and_o he_o who_o may_v have_v a_o deliberative_a and_o decisive_a voice_n may_v debate_v the_o matter_n yea_o the_o matter_n be_v debate_v by_o the_o elder_n may_v be_v debate_v again_o among_o the_o people_n so_o that_o their_o debate_n shall_v besuperfluous_a 30._o here_o to_o confirm_v this_o we_o may_v bring_v in_o all_o those_o passage_n of_o scripture_n which_o our_o brethren_n bring_v against_o it_o as_o christ_n command_n mat._n 18._o etc._n etc._n 1_o cor._n 5._o and_o 2_o cor._n 2._o they_o only_o have_v jurisdiction_n and_o power_n of_o excommunication_n in_o christ_n church_n who_o st._n paul_n in_o those_o passage_n command_v to_o cast_v out_o from_o among_o they_o and_o to_o admit_v the_o incestuous_a person_n but_o not_o every_o one_o of_o the_o promiscuous_a multitude_n but_o those_o only_a that_o be_v of_o the_o representative_a body_n of_o the_o church_n those_o only_o who_o st._n paul_n command_v to_o cast_v out_o from_o among_o they_o and_o to_o admit_v the_o incestuous_a person_n er._n the_o first_o proposition_n be_v grant_v by_o our_o brethren_n the_o second_o be_v certain_a for_o that_o which_o be_v in_o the_o text_n can_v appertain_v to_o every_o one_o of_o the_o people_n this_o be_v write_v to_o all_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n which_o be_v very_o great_a and_o consequent_o can_v not_o meet_v together_o as_o it_o be_v command_v verse_n 4._o neither_o can_v every_o one_o of_o they_o deliver_v he_o to_o satan_n as_o it_o be_v command_v 5._o neither_o can_v it_o be_v show_v from_o the_o text_n that_o this_o be_v only_o say_v to_o grow_a man_n that_o have_v the_o use_n of_o reason_n that_o dote_v not_o to_o the_o exclusion_n only_o of_o child_n of_o those_o that_o dote_v that_o want_v altogether_o or_o in_o part_n the_o use_n of_o reason_n and_o of_o woman_n neither_o can_v every_o one_o comfort_v he_o forgive_v he_o etc._n etc._n as_o it_o be_v command_v 2_o cor._n 2.7_o and_o 15._o chapter_n for_o further_a proof_n hereof_o we_o shall_v by_o and_o by_o bring_v the_o rest_n of_o the_o passage_n that_o they_o allege_v for_o evidence_n against_o they_o cap._n 2._o where_o the_o independent_n opinion_n be_v refute_v they_o object_v 1._o some_o passage_n of_o scripture_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o exercise_n of_o jurisdiction_n belong_v to_o all_o the_o people_n promiscuous_o as_o mat._n 18.17_o tell_v the_o church_n all_o i._n e._n the_o people_n act_n 1._o where_o the_o people_n do_v choose_v mathias_n to_o the_o apostleship_n act_n 6._o where_o deacon_n be_v choose_v by_o the_o people_n act_n 14.23_o where_o 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where_o the_o word_n church_n be_v take_v in_o this_o signification_n viz._n for_o the_o collective_a body_n of_o the_o church_n to_o the_o exclusion_n of_o the_o great_a part_n thereof_o viz._n all_o woman_n child_n distract_a person_n and_o vicious_a man_n or_o notorious_a sinner_n but_o of_o this_o we_o have_v say_v enough_o before_o to_o the_o second_o passage_n act._n 1.15.1_o put_v the_o case_n that_o the_o word_n disciple_n signify_v the_o promiscuous_a multitude_n yet_o 2._o i_o answer_v that_o it_o be_v not_o there_o say_v that_o every_o one_o of_o they_o give_v their_o voice_n but_o only_o that_o peter_n stand_v up_o in_o the_o midst_n of_o the_o disciple_n the_o number_n whereof_o be_v about_o 120.3_o if_o every_o one_o of_o they_o voice_v ergo_fw-la the_o woman_n and_o mary_n who_o be_v name_v v._o 14._o voice_v also_o which_o be_v contrary_a to_o st._n paul_n command_n that_o woman_n be_v to_o keep_v silence_n in_o the_o church_n 4._o only_o therefore_o those_o do_v 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