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they_o do_v more_o good_a or_o hurt_n 1._o then_o open_a preach_v and_o gather_v assembly_n by_o nonconformist_n will_v have_v great_o offend_v the_o prince_n but_o our_o king_n at_o breda_n and_o in_o his_o three_o first_o declaration_n and_o by_o his_o licenses_fw-la and_o connivance_n show_v such_o wisdom_n and_o clemency_n as_o intimate_v less_o displeasure_n at_o our_o liberty_n 2._o it_o will_v have_v deprive_v most_o of_o the_o nonconformist_n of_o their_o hope_n of_o public_a liberty_n in_o the_o parish_n church_n which_o most_o of_o they_o enjoy_v but_o we_o have_v neither_o possession_n nor_o expectation_n of_o such_o a_o thing_n 3._o it_o will_v have_v hinder_v and_o hazard_v the_o progress_n of_o the_o reformation_n but_o our_o preach_n have_v do_v more_o to_o stop_v the_o progress_n of_o the_o syncretism_n or_o of_o popery_n other_o know_v this_o whatever_o you_o frivolous_o
your_o sight_n how_o will_v you_o escape_v be_v judge_v no_o rightful_a possessor_n of_o your_o deanery_n or_o prebend_n or_o the_o king_n chaplain_n place_n or_o the_o parish_n church_n of_o st._n andrews_n i_o know_v not_o how_o and_o yet_o if_o a_o usurper_n accuse_v you_o here_o and_o say_v e._n g._n that_o the_o church_n of_o st._n andrews_n be_v he_o and_o not_o you_o must_v not_o the_o people_n judge_v which_o of_o you_o they_o will_v take_v for_o the_o usurper_n and_o which_o they_o will_v join_v with_o and_o obey_v in_o the_o time_n of_o usurpation_n many_o of_o the_o people_n judge_v the_o bishop_n to_o be_v none_o of_o their_o pastor_n nor_o the_o eject_v minister_n must_v not_o the_o rest_n therefore_o judge_v that_o they_o be_v where_o usurper_n deny_v the_o king_n be_v right_a ought_v not_o the_o people_n to_o judge_v he_o to_o have_v right_a because_o they_o may_v err_v and_o what_o prince_n or_o prelate_n may_v not_o the_o people_n judge_v usurper_n what_o landlord_n may_v not_o the_o tenant_n deny_v what_o master_n the_o servant_n what_o husband_n the_o wife_n but_o must_v they_o not_o therefore_o be_v discern_a judge_n who_o be_v their_o landlord_n master_n husband_n what_o schoolmaster_n may_v not_o unlearned_a man_n miscensure_v what_o physician_n may_v they_o not_o vilisie_n and_o yet_o they_o shall_v judge_v and_o choose_v for_o themselves_o and_o speed_v according_o who_o can_v help_v it_o deny_v man_n a_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n to_o guide_v their_o own_o choice_n and_o action_n and_o you_o contradict_v mankind_n and_o deny_v man_n to_o be_v man_n what_o in_o the_o world_n be_v more_o abuse_v than_o reason_n and_o freewill_n and_o yet_o man_n must_v act_v by_o reason_n and_o freewill_n it_o be_v unworthy_a a_o divine_a to_o cry_v out_o against_o a_o thing_n for_o such_o unavoidable_a inconvenience_n as_o humane_a darkness_n and_o badness_n do_v necessitate_v and_o to_o swallow_v camel_n on_o the_o other_o side_n and_o take_v no_o notice_n of_o the_o mischiess_n thereof_o nor_o once_o to_o tell_v we_o how_o to_o escape_v both_o sect._n 25._o he_o instance_v in_o man_n censure_n of_o i_o for_o the_o doctrine_n of_o justification_n and_o ask_v be_v man_n bind_v to_o separate_v from_o i_o answ_n one_o will_v think_v by_o many_o such_o word_n that_o the_o doctor_n do_v serious_o believe_v that_o i_o have_v 〈◊〉_d that_o all_o man_n be_v bind_v to_o follow_v a_o 〈◊〉_d judgement_n and_o to_o theyâ—alâ—ly_o â—alâ—ly_z judge_v they_o ought_v if_o he_o think_v not_o that_o i_o say_v so_o i_o will_v not_o name_v his_o fault_n lest_o i_o more_o offend_v he_o if_o he_o think_v i_o say_v so_o i_o have_v hope_v weak_a reader_n can_v have_v better_o understand_v i_o when_o i_o read_v in_o the_o book_n of_o some_o conformist_n yet_o live_v who_o i_o much_o honour_n that_o to_o obey_v conscience_n though_o it_o err_v be_v to_o obey_v god_n i_o take_v it_o for_o my_o duty_n oft_o and_o copious_o especial_o in_o my_o christ_n direct_v to_o open_v that_o case_n and_o to_o prove_v that_o conscience_n be_v no_o lawmaker_n but_o only_o a_o discerner_n of_o god_n law_n and_o that_o a_o err_a conscience_n involve_v a_o man_n in_o sin_n whether_o he_o follow_v it_o or_o not_o because_o god_n change_v not_o his_o law_n when_o we_o change_v our_o judgement_n of_o it_o but_o yet_o there_o be_v some_o case_n in_o which_o it_o be_v a_o far_o great_a sin_n to_o go_v against_o conscience_n though_o it_o err_v than_o with_o it_o the_o dr._n dare_v deny_v none_o of_o this_o and_o do_v ill_a if_o he_o will_v persuade_v man_n that_o i_o deny_v it_o and_o that_o god_n make_v it_o man_n duty_n to_o do_v ill_a whenever_o they_o judge_v it_o good_a or_o forsake_v good_a when_o they_o judge_v it_o evil_n sect._n 26._o but_o the_o great_a offence_n be_v p._n 130_o that_o i_o insinuate_v that_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o the_o church_n be_v guilty_a of_o great_a fault_n conformity_n be_v a_o scandalous_a thing_n with_o thirty_o tremendous_a aggravation_n and_o no_o wonder_n if_o man_n so_o judge_v prefer_v other_o etc._n etc._n answ_n again_o and_o again_o i_o say_v 1._o this_o be_v unrighteous_a deal_n to_o impose_v all_o those_o thing_n on_o we_o to_o cast_v we_o out_o of_o the_o ministry_n and_o church_n for_o not_o obey_v to_o fine_a and_o imprison_v we_o and_o accuse_v we_o as_o schismatic_n and_o sedition_n to_o write_v and_o preach_v for_o the_o execution_n of_o the_o law_n against_o we_o to_o our_o ruin_n to_o aggravate_v our_o crime_n because_o we_o tell_v they_o not_o our_o reason_n to_o call_v we_o to_o tell_v they_o what_o we_o stick_v at_o to_o threaten_v to_o get_v the_o king_n to_o force_v we_o to_o give_v our_o reason_n to_o declare_v in_o press_n and_o pulpit_n that_o we_o wilful_o keep_v up_o a_o schism_n and_o have_v nothing_o to_o say_v for_o it_o to_o continue_v all_o this_o when_o we_o have_v be_v silent_a seventeen_o year_n as_o fear_v that_o they_o can_v not_o bear_v it_o and_o after_o all_o this_o when_o we_o disavow_v any_o accusation_n of_o they_o and_o only_o tell_v they_o what_o we_o fear_v ourselves_o to_o come_v upon_o we_o with_o this_o charge_n of_o deep_a accuse_v their_o conformity_n be_v injustice_n if_o there_o be_v any_o in_o the_o world_n either_o it_o be_v sin_n or_o no_o sin_n which_o we_o fear_v if_o none_o why_o be_v we_o not_o confute_v or_o invite_v yet_o to_o give_v our_o proof_n if_o sin_n who_o shall_v be_v most_o offend_v to_o be_v yet_o plain_o with_o you_o have_v the_o case_n be_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o old_a prophet_n and_o priest_n i_o question_v whether_o to_o let_v such_o a_o kingdom_n alone_o so_o long_o in_o that_o which_o we_o judge_v to_o be_v so_o great_a sin_n will_v not_o have_v be_v heavy_o charge_v on_o the_o preacher_n and_o i_o profess_v that_o my_o conscience_n be_v more_o in_o doubt_n whether_o my_o so_o long_a forbearance_n be_v not_o my_o sin_n than_o whether_o say_v at_o last_o what_o i_o do_v be_v sin_n and_o i_o have_v nothing_o to_o satisfy_v it_o but_o the_o man_n that_o i_o ought_v to_o judge_v wise_a than_o myself_o persuade_v i_o that_o it_o will_v have_v do_v more_o hurt_n than_o good_a and_o cause_v but_o our_o further_a rend_v and_o i_o think_v the_o conformist_n shall_v have_v be_v desirous_a to_o help_v they_o to_o try_v whether_o it_o be_v sin_n or_o not_o and_o to_o have_v be_v thankful_a for_o help_v to_o save_v they_o from_o it_o if_o it_o prove_v such_o but_o though_o hence_o i_o extenuate_v the_o too_o great_a withdrawing_n of_o some_o man_n against_o their_o too_o deep_a accusation_n he_o know_v that_o notwithstanding_o all_o these_o aggravation_n i_o neither_o justify_v nor_o practise_v proper_a separation_n sect._n 27._o p._n 133._o the_o next_o charge_n be_v that_o i_o make_v they_o usurper_n viz_o 1._o all_o that_o come_v into_o the_o place_n of_o the_o eject_v minister_n at_o least_o to_o the_o people_n that_o consent_n not_o but_o law_n and_o usurpation_n be_v contrary_a answ_n 1._o i_o never_o say_v that_o all_o be_v usurper_n to_o all_o the_o people_n that_o consent_n not_o if_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n consent_v the_o man_n be_v no_o usurper_n though_o some_o odd_a person_n consent_v not_o he_o be_v the_o church_n pastor_n though_o not_o the_o refuser_n 2._o i_o never_o say_v that_o any_o that_o have_v the_o law_n for_o they_o be_v usurper_n of_o the_o tithe_n and_o temple_n 3._o i_o never_o say_v that_o all_o that_o succeed_v eject_v minister_n be_v usurper_n many_o of_o they_o have_v the_o church_n after-consent_n though_o not_o their_o election_n yea_o i_o often_o say_v 1._o that_o it_o be_v the_o people_n duty_n to_o consent_v to_o the_o change_n when_o it_o be_v for_o the_o church_n good_a 2._o and_o that_o their_o constant_a communion_n signify_v their_o consent_n but_o i_o will_v not_o believe_v yet_o that_o the_o law_n will_v prove_v a_o man_n no_o usurper_n of_o the_o pastoral_n relation_n and_o when_o i_o have_v so_o large_o prove_v the_o contrary_a to_o be_v true_a and_o to_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n it_o be_v a_o unsatisfactory_a course_n to_o i_o to_o leave_v it_o unanswered_a and_o suppose_v himself_o in_o the_o right_n not_o only_o the_o first_o 300_o year_n but_o even_o under_o constantius_n valens_n theodosius_n junior_n zeno_n basiliscus_n anastatius_fw-la philippicus_n justinian_n etc._n etc._n even_o the_o patriarchal_a seat_n practise_v the_o contrary_a keep_v their_o choose_a pastor_n and_o refuse_v those_o impose_v by_o the_o emperor_n and_o other_o bishop_n seat_n the_o emperor_n seldom_o meddle_v with_o as_o to_o the_o choice_n yea_o in_o arcadius_n day_n chrysostom_n joannite_n in_o his_o imperial_a city_n be_v of_o another_o mind_n
be_v his_o rule_n true_a only_o in_o england_n or_o in_o france_n spain_n italy_n muscovy_n etc._n etc._n also_o or_o where_o that_o the_o law_n make_v man_n true_a pastor_n sect._n 28._o but_o p._n 132._o he_o say_v that_o he_o detest_v the_o principle_n that_o set_v man_n law_n above_o god_n and_o that_o in_o state_v the_o controversy_n he_o suppose_v a_o agreement_n in_o all_o the_o substantial_o of_o religion_n between_o the_o dissent_v party_n of_o our_o church_n answ_n of_o all_o thing_n you_o be_v the_o unhappy_a in_o state_v the_o controversy_n the_o instance_n here_o be_v 1._o insufficiency_n through_o ignorance_n 2._o heresy_n 3._o malignant_a oppugn_v the_o very_a end_n of_o the_o ministry_n 4._o no_o true_a call_n 1._o do_v he_o agree_v with_o we_o in_o all_o the_o substantial_o of_o religion_n who_o know_v not_o the_o very_a essential_o of_o christianity_n ignorantis_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la consensus_fw-la 2._o do_v he_o agree_v with_o we_o in_o all_o the_o substantial_o that_o be_v a_o heretic_n or_o if_o we_o false_o judge_v his_o opinion_n heresy_n do_v we_o agree_v with_o he_o 3._o be_v malignant_a oppose_a godliness_n and_o plead_n for_o profaneness_n or_o ungodliness_n a_o agreement_n in_o all_o the_o substantial_o 4._o what_o if_o we_o agree_v in_o all_o substantial_o with_o a_o unordained_a layman_n impose_v on_o we_o be_v he_o therefore_o our_o true_a pastor_n 5._o but_o how_o shall_v we_o know_v whether_o we_o agree_v or_o not_o if_o we_o be_v no_o judge_n of_o it_o do_v you_o not_o see_v your_o own_o contradiction_n who_o shall_v judge_v whether_o the_o pastor_n or_o people_n agree_v shall_v the_o prince_n or_o patron_n if_o you_o know_v the_o teacher_n heart_n how_o know_v you_o the_o people_n must_v we_o believe_v that_o we_o agree_v because_o you_o say_v so_o if_o the_o people_n must_v judge_v whether_o they_o agree_v they_o must_v judge_v of_o the_o thing_n in_o which_o the_o agreement_n be_v that_o be_v both_o the_o pastor_n doctrine_n and_o their_o own_o mind_n and_o be_v not_o this_o to_o judge_v whether_o he_o be_v a_o heretic_n etc._n etc._n or_o not_o and_o who_o shall_v judge_v whether_o the_o disagreement_n be_v in_o substantial_o it_o must_v be_v the_o agreer_n and_o they_o must_v be_v wise_a than_o i_o if_o they_o can_v learn_v from_o you_o here_o what_o be_v a_o substantial_a and_o how_o to_o know_v it_o sect._n 29._o it_o may_v be_v he_o will_v say_v that_o where_o prince_n and_o parliament_n be_v orthodox_n none_o be_v usurper_n but_o true_a pastor_n who_o they_o impose_v ans_fw-fr but_o do_v not_o this_o make_v the_o people_n judge_n whether_o prince_n and_o parliament_n be_v orthodox_n and_o be_v not_o that_o as_o dangerous_a as_o to_o judge_v of_o the_o teacher_n and_o orthodox_n prince_n and_o parliament_n may_v impose_v heretical_a teacher_n and_o may_v by_o law_n enable_v patron_n and_o prelate_n to_o impose_v they_o what_o more_o natural_a than_o to_o propagate_v what_o man_n like_v and_o oppose_v what_o they_o hate_v if_o the_o many_o hundred_o patron_n in_o england_n be_v all_o orthodox_n and_o pious_a and_o free_a from_o schism_n etc._n etc._n we_o be_v strange_o happy_a if_o not_o we_o may_v expect_v that_o they_o choose_v according_o but_o the_o bishop_n will_v secure_v we_o ans_fw-fr 1._o they_o have_v not_o do_v 2._o they_o say_v they_o can_v by_v law_n 3._o will_v it_o be_v any_o wonder_n if_o bishop_n goodman_n of_o gloucester_n keep_v not_o out_o any_o popish_a teacher_n or_o if_o such_o father_n of_o the_o church_n as_o archbishop_n bromhall_n let_v in_o such_o as_o will_v have_v the_o pope_n govern_v we_o all_o by_o the_o canon_n as_o patriarch_n and_o principium_fw-la unitatis_fw-la and_o all_o pass_n for_o shoismaticks_n that_o consent_v not_o to_o such_o a_o foreign_a jurisdiction_n contrary_a to_o our_o national_a oath_n sect._n 30._o as_o to_o his_o instance_n of_o solomon_n put_v out_o abiathar_n etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v it_o full_o and_o many_o more_o objection_n in_o my_o first_o plea_n and_o will_v not_o write_v the_o same_o again_o for_o he_o that_o think_v it_o not_o worth_a the_o answer_n or_o take_v notice_n of_o sect._n 31._o when_o p._n 138_o 139._o he_o make_v it_o the_o way_n to_o all_o imaginable_a confusion_n to_o deny_v 1._o that_o the_o king_n nomination_n of_o bishop_n 2._o and_o the_o patron_n of_o parish_n pastor_n prove_v they_o no_o usurper_n but_o true_a pastor_n be_v he_o not_o a_o unreverend_a dishonourer_n of_o bishop_n himself_o who_o make_v they_o all_o that_o for_o a_o thousand_o year_n hold_v the_o same_o that_o i_o do_v to_o be_v the_o author_n of_o all_o imaginable_a confusion_n be_v he_o not_o unreverend_a to_o their_o canon_n and_o to_o antiquity_n and_o to_o the_o universal_a church_n itself_o whatever_o in_o his_o three_o part_n he_o cavil_v against_o it_o he_o can_v be_v so_o strange_a to_o church-history_n as_o not_o to_o know_v that_o they_o be_v common_o against_o he_o sect._n 32._o the_o 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excommunication_n chap._n xi_o whether_o the_o excommunicate_a church_n or_o the_o excommunicate_v for_o not_o communicate_v when_o excommunicate_v be_v guilty_a of_o schism_n §_o 1._o their_o canon_n excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la all_o that_o say_v conformity_n be_v unlawful_a and_o many_o such_o like_a 1._o he_o say_v the_o excommunication_n be_v not_o against_o such_o as_o modest_o scruple_n the_o lawfulness_n of_o thing_n impose_v but_o those_o who_o obstinate_o affirm_v it_o answ_n reader_n trust_v neither_o he_o nor_o i_o but_o read_v the_o word_n can._n 3_o 4_o 5_o 6._o whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n by_o law_n establish_v under_o his_o majesty_n be_v not_o a_o true_a and_o a_o apostolical_a church_n let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o the_o form_n of_o god_n worship_n in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n establish_v by_o the_o law_n and_o contain_v in_o the_o book_n of_o common-prayer_n be_v a_o corrupt_a superstitious_a or_o unlawful_a worship_n of_o god_n or_o contain_v any_o thing_n in_o it_o that_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o scripture_n let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o not_o restore_v till_o etc._n etc._n whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o any_o of_o the_o 39_o article_n be_v in_o any_o part_n superstitious_a or_o erroneous_a or_o such_o as_o he_o may_v not_o with_o a_o good_a conscience_n subscribe_v unto_o let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o not_o restore_v till_o etc._n etc._n whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o the_o rite_n and_o ceremony_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n by_o law_n establish_v be_v wicked_a antichristian_a or_o superstitious_a or_o such_o as_o be_v command_v by_o lawful_a authority_n man_n who_o be_v zealous_o and_o godly_a affect_a may_v not_o with_o any_o good_a conscience_n approve_v they_o use_v they_o or_o as_o occasion_n require_v subscribe_v to_o they_o let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o not_o restore_v till_o he_o repent_v and_o public_o revoke_v such_o his_o wicked_a error_n can._n 7._o whosoever_o shall_v hereafter_o affirm_v that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n under_o his_o majesty_n by_o arch-bishop_n bishop_n dean_n arch-deacon_n and_o the_o rest_n that_o bear_v office_n in_o the_o same_o be_v antichristian_a or_o repugnant_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la etc._n etc._n can._n 8._o whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o the_o form_n and_o manner_n of_o make_v and_o consecrate_v bishop_n priest_n or_o deacon_n contain_v any_o thing_n in_o it_o that_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n let_v they_o be_v excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la etc._n etc._n can._n 11._o whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o there_o be_v within_o this_o realm_n other_o meeting_n assembly_n or_o congregation_n of_o the_o king_n bear_v subject_n than_o such_o as_o by_o the_o law_n of_o this_o land_n be_v hold_v and_o allow_v which_o may_v right_o challenge_v to_o themselves_o the_o name_n of_o true_a and_o lawful_a church_n let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o now_o if_o the_o reader_n will_v no_o more_o believe_v the_o doctor_n it_o be_v not_o long_o of_o i_o if_o all_o this_o be_v no_o more_o than_o to_o excommunicate_v they_o that_o obstinate_o affirm_v the_o ceremony_n antichristian_a impious_a or_o superstitious_a understand_a they_o be_v not_o possible_a §_o 2._o but_o i_o confess_v they_o excommunicate_v not_o man_n for_o secret_a thought_n we_o thank_v they_o for_o nothing_o it_o be_v but_o for_o tell_v their_o judgement_n and_o dissenter_n may_v have_v many_o occasion_n to_o tell_v it_o the_o king_n commission_n once_o allow_v some_o of_o we_o to_o tell_v it_o the_o demand_n accusation_n calumniate_a book_n and_o sermon_n etc._n etc._n may_v call_v many_o to_o it_o §_o 3._o he_o say_v all_o excommunication_n suppose_v precedent_a admonition_n answ_n 1._o they_o shall_v do_v so_o the_o worse_a be_v you_o because_o it_o do_v not_o so_o it_o only_o allow_v admonition_n to_o repent_v for_o his_o restoration_n which_o make_v m._n anton._n spalatensis_n say_v so_o much_o against_o it_o 2._o if_o it_o do_v oblige_v you_o to_o admonish_v we_o as_o you_o have_v do_v by_o your_o book_n you_o know_v that_o this_o change_v not_o our_o judgement_n so_o that_o to_o be_v excommunicate_a before_o the_o admonition_n and_o after_o come_v all_o to_o one_o but_o indeed_o when_o the_o law_n ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la excommunicate_v the_o law_n itself_o be_v the_o admonition_n §_o 4._o he_o add_v general_a excommunication_n though_o they_o be_v latae_fw-la sententiae_fw-la do_v not_o affect_v the_o particular_a person_n till_o the_o evidence_n be_v notorious_a not_o only_o of_o the_o bare_a fact_n but_o the_o contumacy_n answ_n affect_v be_v a_o word_n that_o signify_v what_o you_o 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