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A84830 Truth's defence against the refined subtilty of the serpent held forth in divers answers to severall queries made by men (called ministers) in the North. Given forth by the light and power of God appearing in George Fox and Richard Hubberthorn Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F1970; Thomason E724_12; ESTC R207270 97,279 111

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world Iohn 1. 9. the one he loves the Light and brings his works to the Light and walks in the Light and there is no occasion of stumbling Iohn 11. 9. the other he hates this Light because his deeds are evil and this is his condemnacion the Light be silent all flesh Friend thou art one that hates this Light thy spirit is tryed for if thou wert in the Light there would be no occasion of stumbling but thou art Antichrist without this Light Iohn 4. 3. therefore thou dost not see the Light which hath enlightned every one the believer and the unbeliever which is his condemnacion that believes not 2 Query If in unbelievers as well as in believers whether is it one and the same Light with that Anoynting thou speakest of yea or no. Answ It is one with the Anoynting and if it were not one with the Anoynting it were one against the Anoynting an imagined Light wherein thou hast shewed thy blindness and thy ignorance thou makest appear which neither knowest the Light nor the Anoynting for thy dark minde cannot comprehend it Light shines in darkness and darkness comprehends it not Iohn 1. 5. and there thou art exalted in the foolish wisdom which is of the world which is foolishness to the wisdom of God swelling in the lying vanityes one of them that are disobedient to the Light without God in the world the son of perdicion which is exalted above all that is called God 3 Query Whether it be not the new Law of Righteousness written in the heart to condemn sin in the flesh which thou sayst a man may say he is above the Law by the Gospel be not the pure and true Gospel manifested by Iesus Christ yea or no. Answ That is thy own condicion for thou art got above professing the Gospel or the new Law of Righteousness which knowest neither in the power of truth through the death for if thou didst there would not be such a confusion in thy Queryes and in thy words for thou professest the Gospel with thy busie minde and wouldst be informed as touching those things and wouldst be up in the highest place professing the Gospel but thou must come down to the first Principle Heb. 5. 12. and see thy self a childe of disobedience in whom the Prince of the Ayer yet lodgeth for hence it is so many do profess the Gospel and the new Law of Righteousness and are not come through the Law for the Law hath power over a man as long as he lives and who are made free from the Law are made free from sin through the Law 1 Iohn 3. 4. I am dead to the Law where this is witnessed and the Gospel known and the new Law of Righteousness but Friend this is out of thy dark minde for thou art drunk yet with the Earthly spirit and appearest something in thy comprehension which is gathered in with imaginacions and conceivings but the promise is thou must be scattered and if ever thou witness that fulfilled thou wilt witness what I say but thy dark minde comprehends me not 4. Query Whether thou makest any distinction between the new Law of Righteousness written in the heart by the life of Jesus and the Law administred by Moses which sayth Do this and live and if thou make any wherein lyes it Answ Thou wouldst be comprehending with thy Reason to know a difference without thee which shews forth thy blindness Death reigned from Adam till Moses and that it doth in thee yet for that which should see is in the death the Law and the Prophets they were untill Iohn and Iohn untill Christ he that can receive it let him if thou canst receive it thou mayst and when thou comest to go through Moses and through the Prophets and through Iohn to come to Christ then shalt thou see the Light is but one but thou art making a difference betwixt Christ and Moses as the Pharises did who knew not Moses nor the Prophets nor Iohn nor Christ and in that generacion of the Pharises thou art I must deal plainly with thee thy spirit is known and tryed which is not the spirit that raised up Iesus therefore thou who wouldst be comprehending with thy Reason thou and thy Reason are comprehended which shall never search into the things of God the pure wisdom of God is shut up from that vulterous eye Iob 28. 7. and venomous Beast who art come out of the bottomless Pit and thither must return again and in the viperous generacion thou art And as touching the outward commands and observances where the life of Iesus is made manifest the substance of all Types and ●igures is come Rom. 10. 4. there is no more observing them being made free from all them by him who was under the Law made under the Law to fulfill the Law and the righteousness of the Law fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit Rom. 8. 2. and who are here denyes all the carnal outward Observances Tradicions as the Temple outwardly which God had commanded and Circumcision outwardly and the Priests outwardly for they had received Iesus Christ the high Priest who is the end of the Law Rom. 10. 4. so the carnal minde had carnal Types and Figures and Shadows of heavenly things but he that is made free from the Law is made free from the curse which thou art not which gave forth these Queries if thou hadst thou wouldst not have shewed forth thy busie minde but it is now as the Apostle sayd it was then there was some doting about questions and the Law which thou shewest thy self to be one of them who hast uttered forth thy folly therefore be ashamed and lay thy hand upon thy mouth 5 Query Whether New Jerusalem and the holy Temple therein be but newly come down from Heaven as in this our Age or the like wherein the tru worshipers worshiped the Father in spirit and truth or hath it always been the place and Temple wherein the Saints of God have worshiped the Father in spirit and truth Iohn 4. 23. from the beginning of the world seeing our Saviour speaks that Abraham saw his day and rejoyced and that the time is coming yea now is that neither at Samaria nor at Jerusalem Answ Thou wouldst know whether New Ierusalem be newly come down in this our Age and it is that which ever was and ever did come down to the Saints they witnessed this but Friend to thee in thy age and generacion where thou art in it is not come but thou art a stranger querying without nor never did nor never shall come in that generacion thou art among the Serpents which the Wo was ever preached to Matth. 23. even that generacion which got the form to speak of Ierusalem and the Temple but are the Synagogues of Satan and full of dead mens bones and who are whited outsides and beautifull outwardly but full of corruption within and in that generacion wherein was
it which is cast out from God and shall never enter into God where thou and all you are who are disobedient to the Commands of God and stumble at the Light because it will overthrow thy Pride and High-mindedness who art Lucifer-like tempting with thy Queries as the Serpent did Eve Gen. 3. 5. So here thou art cursed and cast out Eternally 10 Query Whether all men are conceived in Sin Thou art conceived in all Sin and livest in Iniquity What hast thou to do to meddle with other men stop thy mouth with that thou evil-Beast and Slow-belly whose mouth must now be stopt Tit. 1. 10. 11. 12 11 Query How is it done away It is done away in destroying of thee thou Man of Sin and Enemy unto all Righteonsness and Son of Perdicion whom Iesus Christ shall consume with the Spirit of his mouth and destroy with the Brightness of his Comming 2 Thes 2. 8. but this thou man of Sin putst far from thee verse 3. but this shalt thou know before thou know thy Sin taken away and witness thy Queries to be vain thou dost not yet know Sin taken away but livest in Iniquity and Sin which thou wast brought forth in and as a Theif thou hast named Christ but not departed from Iniquity 2 Tim. 2. 19. and Christ comes to destroy the work 's of the Devil 1 Iohn 3. 8. 12 Query Whether is it a Righteousness in Christ imputed unto us by Faith Or a Righteousness of Works in our selves by which wee are justified before God Answ Here thou hast tempted to thy own destruction for thou art not yet come to know the Righteousness of the Law of Works in thy selfe nor the state of the first Covenant and the Faith of God thou art a Reprobate to which justifies alone without imputacion Rom. 3. 28. and thy imputed Faith we utterly deny which Faith is dead without Works and thou art dead both to Faith and Works and thy imputacion to thy dead Works without thee we do deny Rom. 4. 5. 6. for that is your Cloak for your Sin and Filthyness Abraham to whom the imputacion was spoken he was come from his Fathers house which thou art not and he was a Freind of God which thou art an Enimy to Rom. 4. ●2 and God will wound the Head of all his Enemies Psal 68. 21. for thou hast not Faith we are witnesses against thee The Righteousness of God which is by Faith of Jesus Christ Rom. 3. 22. this we own which was witnessed of by the Law and Prophets therefore we are witnesses against thee and all thy blinde Guides to be without the Faith of Jesus and the Prophets the Law and not yet come to see the Death reign in thee which hath passed over all men and there thou art as it is written Death reigned from Adam till Moses and Death and Destruction saith wee have heard of the fame thereof with our Eares and this is thee Iob 28. 22. and thou mayst read the Chapter through it is serv●cable to thee 13 Query Whether a man may keep the whole Law Answ Thou askest a Question whether a man may keep the whole Law as though thou wast affraid and durst not keep the Law if I should say yea thy Master would be angry with thee for thou and thy Master sayth nay Our Master Christ Iesus is the end of the Law and fulfileth the Law in us who walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit which makes us free from the Law of Sin and Death Rom. 8. 12. and we love God because we keep his Commandements 1 Iohn 5. 23. and to us they are not greevious and God saith if yee love me keep my Commandements 2 Iohn 1. 6. 1 Iohn 3. 14. and thou askest a Question whether a man may keep his Law here thou hast shewed thy self to be one that hath cast his Law behinde thy back for God cals for the walking in and keeping of his Law and thou queriest whether a man may keep it or no therefore thou hast cast away the Law of God and despisest the word of the holy One of Israel Esay 5. 24 14 Query Whether Christ is an Advocate for all Beleevers if some be without Sin Answ Thou full of all Subtilty and full of Sin and Tempter Christ is the Advocate for all Beleevers and doth take away their Sins and destroyes the works of the Devil which are yet standing in thee therfore dost thou stumble at the Scriptures and here hast thou shown forth thy Envy Kain-like I know the intent of thy Queries and the mischeif of thy minde who art in the Generacion of Kain seeking to slay the Righteous Seed which cannot Sin but thou that Sinnest art of the Devil 1 Iohn 3. 8. 9. and ther is no Mediator for thee but thou art for Destruction for thou that sinnest art of the Devil and never kn●wst God but art a Transgressor of the Law 1 Iohn 3. 4. To that in thy Conscience do I speak 15 Query Whether is the Blood of Iesus Christ that was shed upon the Cross at Ierusalem the Price that bought us Answ In the Query thou pervertest the Scripture and the same minde thou hast there that the Pharises had The Blood of Christ is but one as ever t was by which we are redeemed from our vain Conversacion and by which all are redeemed Ephes 1. 7. which thou makest light of who livest in thy vain minde and Conversacion for this Blood is our Witness and Seal by which we are redeemed but not at Ierusalem only but made manifest in us Glory Glory to the Lord God for ever who hath begotten us from the Dead and brought us again by the Resurrection of Jesus and the same dost thou seek to crucifie now Math. 3. 34. the same minde being in thee as was in them that crucified him at Ierusalem and the Saviour thou lookest for at Ierusalem his Blood is upon thee as it was upon the Jewes and the Price of Blood thou knowest not no not in the first Covenant nor the Blood of Lambs and of the Goat● which was a figure of the Everlasting Covenant which makes perfect but thou art one of the filthy Swine wallowing in the Mire and without are Dogs Rev. ●2 15. 16 Query Whether is Faith counted for Righteousness to him that beleiveth Answ Faith is Righteousness and was counted to Abraham for Righteousness Rom. 4. 9. and is so still with them who are of Abraham And the Righteousnesse of Faith speaks on this wise not to say in thy heart who shall ascend into Heaven that is to bring Christ down from above or who shall descend into the deep that is to bring up Christ from the dead But what saith it the Word is nigh thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart this is the Word of Faith which we preach Rom. 10. 6 7 8. and this we witness and are witnesses against thee and all thy Train who are Reprobates concerning the
not this condicion but art in the world among Antichrists false prophets and Beasts and yet thou wouldst be busy among the Saints condicions but this I say to thee All who are come out from among such as thou art need not any man to teach them but as the Annoynting But they who do not continu they turn from the Annoynting and he that denieth the Father and the Son is a Lyar and an Antichrist he that hath the Son hath the Father also therfore we do know thee to be Antichrist who should come Friend thou speakest of Speaking and Hearing what is not agreeable to the Anoynting be silent O flesh for thou knowest nothing of the Anoynting thou art one of those whose mouth must be stopt thou art one of those dumb Prophets who hast nothing from the Anoynting but denyest it but onely thou hast got the form of words to make a Trade of it and denyest the thing it self Query 16. Whether they do not bewitch People that draw them from the Spirit within to observe the Ordinances of the world when as the Apostle sayd They did bewiteh you that drew you to observe Circumcision which was the command of God when he who was the substance of those Types and Figures was come Priests Answer The Lord rebuke this lying spirit that is amongst you who is that which goeth to draw people from the Spirit within to observe the Ordinances of the world name them and blame them those that are lead by that Spirit of God and have him in good earnest do make use of the Ordinance of Christ in a more spiritual manner not to draw them from the Spirit but but to draw them into the Spirits likeness possession and enjoyment the Lord rebuke that prophane Spirit among you that dares to call the Ordinances of Christ the Ordinances of the world that cares not what dishonour you put on Christ his Truth his Waies his Servants The Lord judg and let all the Lords People judg whose Eyes are open whether they do not bewitch poor creatures that carries them from beginning in the Spirit to end in the Flesh Gal. 3. 1. 3. from the Gospell to the Law from Justificacion by Faith to Justificacion by works from loving the Appearance of God to Strife Malice Hatred and to the Appearance of Sathan from Peace to a constant restlesnesse either in their own Spirits or outwardly troubling others by Writing Printing bra●en-faced-Rayling and Reproaching without heeding whether they speak Truth or a Lye A Reply to the Preists answer Thou art he that goes about to draw people from the Spirit within them to observe thy carnall Tradicion and Imitacion and to observe the Ordinances of the World and it is thy Spirit which is that Lying Spirit which thou mencionest which the Lord will rebuke and must rebuke for thy Lord and God I do deny for the living Lord God of Heaven and Earth thou knowest not no more than a naturall bruit Beast Jude 10. for thy God is the God of the World and he is thy Lord and the Lying spirit rules in thee as thou hast made it to apear thou art he therefore I name thee and blame thee Camelford and the Lord will blame thee and rebuke thee Freind none of the Ordinances of Christ dost thou know for all thy Preaching is of thy selfe Christ never commanded it nor never commanded thee nor thy Praying nor thy Singing Christ never conmanded it but it is the Invencion of thy Brain and the invencion of man and to the Ordinances of Christ thou art an Enimy Thou dost openly show thy selfe to be a witnesse against them who are the Ministers of Christ and who abides in the Ordinance of Christ that witnesse against such as thou art but all the Ordinances of Christ Iesus we witnesse and own but thou to them art an Enimy therfore thee and all thy Ordinances do we deny and all that which thou calst spirituall manners for this is but thy Gloss and Colour that thou mayst appear beutifull with thy spirituall nocion but thou art discovered Praises be to the glorious Lord God Almighty for ever Thou sayst thou dost not draw them from the Spirit but drawst them into the Spirits likenesse here thou hast made a graven Immage and the likenesse of a thing and the Lord forbids that thou shouldst make to thy self any graven Immage or the likenesse of any thing that is in Heaven or in the Earth and here thou hast showed thy spirit to be a contrary spirit in this thou showest thy self to be a Lyar for thy worship is not so much as the likenesse of a spirit for the Spirit is one and it we own but thy likenesse of Spirit we deny Thou sayest again the Lord rebuke that Lying-spirit and I say to thee thy Lord we deny and the Lord God of Heaven and Earth doth now rebuke thee thou Lying-spirit for him thou knowest not and calest it a Lying-spirit for thou prayest to thy Lord to rebuke the Spirit of truth which shall confound thee and thy Lord here thou hast shewed forth thy prophanesse and blasphemy and it is made manifest what God thou servest even the God of the world Thou sayst let the Lord judg and all whose eyes are opened The Lord doth judg and hath judged and all the Lords people doth judg whose eyes are opened they judg thee and all such as thou art in Righteousnesse and see thee clearly Prayses be to the glorious Lord God The day from on high d●th spring A question thou askest whether they do not bewitch poor creatures that turn them from beginning in the Spirit to end in the Flesh Ans yea I say they do and thou art one for as thou saydst before in thy Query when thou askedst whether the Light was sufficient to lead people to heaven without any more adoe thou shewest all thy doings tend to draw People from the Light into the works of the Flesh and from waiting to be justified in the Spirit and to lead them into condemnacion and there thou art one that bewitches the people who know not the Spirit but those who are led and guided by the Spirit and walk in it deny thy Freedom in the flesh and thy liberty and all thy carnall Ordinances and Tradicions And it is thou that drawest people from the Apostles doctrin and from the Law of God within and from Justificacion to the Law of works into thy carnal imitated way but the Law of Faith and the Law of God and the Teachings of the Spirit this we witnesse and own as that which the Apostles was taught by and by this we seek to bring all People from under thy carnall teaching and we deny it all and thee both And whereas thou dost accuse us for drawing people from the Appearance of God to Strife Mallice Envy and Hatred and to the Appearance of Sathan herein thou hast shewed thy selfe to be a false accuser 2 Tim. 3 ● and a Lyar in