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A18004 A discourse Wherein is plainly proued by the order of time and place, that Peter was neuer at Rome. Furthermore, that neither Peter nor the Pope is the head of Christes Church. Also an interpretation vpon the second Epistle of S. Paul to the Thessalonians, the second chapter. Seene and alowed according to the order appointed.; Discourse. Wherein is plainly proved by the order of time and place, that Peter was never at Rome. Carlile, Christopher, d. 1588? 1572 (1572) STC 4655; ESTC S107558 88,721 116

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cannot Canonize That the Pope dooth not iustifye all those places proue which proue Christ too bée our onely Heade Redéemer Iustifyer and Glorifyer To Canonize is to glorifie to giue felicitie to make a Sainct of a man and to introduce him into eternall ioye and this dooth only christ Ergo not the Pope which Paule proueth by this climax this gradation this induction and sorites Whom God hath predestinate them hée hath called whom hée hathe called them hée hath iustified and whom he hath iustified them hée hath glorified But the Pope can predestinate no man Ergo neyther iustifye them then neyther Glorifie them and per consequens not Canonize them Wée maye woorshippe neyther the Uirgine Marie neyther the Apostles neyther any Saincte neyther make holy dayes or Temples for them muche lesse Canonize them which comprehendeth all these This dooth Epiphanius proue at large Tom. 2. in 27. Haeresie and Theodorete vpon the second Chapter too the Collossians August contra Faustum lib. 2. cap. 21. de Ciuit. lib. 10. cap. 1. lib. 21. cap. 26. lib. 22. cap. 10. vppon the Psalme 113. Ambros. vppon Rom. 1. and the Councell of Laodicia The second Obiection Hée that cannot erre can Canonize Sainctes But the Pope cannot erre Ergo the Pope can canonize sainctes I denie the Minor. For I will alleadge out of their● owne Authoures suche Testimonies as they write by the which ye shal perceyue that the Popes dyd aswell erre in doctrine as in maners The first Màrcellinus in the yeare of Christ 295 denyed Christ offered to Images and Idolles Notwithstanding hée repented him and suffered death after that for Christ. 2 Liberius in the yéere of Christ 354. through ambition became an Arian 3 Damasus in the yeare of Christe 368. after muche slaughter done in a church at Rome was made Pope 4 Sericius in the yeare of Christ. 382. prohibited the Priestes of the West churches to bée maried and deuorced them that had maried wydowes and excluded second mariage 5 Anastasius the first in the yeare of Christ 392. reiected them from the ministerie that had any mayme 6 Innocentius the first in the yeare of Christ 406. decréed that the Séea of Rome should bée preferred before all others and too bée iudged of none Hée caused too annoyle the sick persons he compelled them which he called Heritiques to come to the Catholique fayth of Rome by violence Romana fides inquit Mantuanus id est falsa He graunted to such as had bin all the daies of their lyfe cursed and wicked pardon and repentance of their sinnes in the panges of death He excluded from the clergie seculer Soldiars and such as had bin twyse maried 7 Sozimus decréed that the Sea of Rome could decrée nothing against the woord of God and he was in the yeare of CHRIST ▪ 420. 8 Bonifacius in the yeare of Christe 423. turned Vigiles intoo fastes 9 Xistus or Sixtus in the yeare of Christe 440. made Peters chaynes a Saint 10 Celestinus the first in the yeare of Christ 430. made Introitum of the masse with the Graduall with the Responsories 11 Leo in the yeare of Christ 445. made the holy sacrifise the immaculate Hoste more He commaunded Sonday to be kept holy day he instituted procession he was cursed and excomunicated by the Bishop of Alexandria 12 Hilarius in the yeare of Christe 463. confirmed the generall councelles published the common Law remoued from the degrées of the Church them that had bin twise maryed and them that had maryed Wydowes and them that were lame and firste forbad priestes to weare lay mens apparell 13 Simplicius in the yeare of Christ 475. did much contend with the Bishoppe of Rauenna to encrease his authoritie 14 Foelix the third of that name in the yeare of Christe 481. excluded them that were Baptised or rebaptised of heretiques from the ecclesiastical Chiualrie He made Michelmas daye against the councell of Laodicia 15. Gelacius the second in the yeare of Christe 489. decréed that neyther he nor his successours should be iudged of any man in the earth 16 Anastatius in the yeare of Christ 496. fauored the Euthichians and Nestorians 17. Simachus in the yeare of Christ .498 after longe strife with Laurence and Peter was Pope He patched and framed the masse in order he decréed that no Councell should bée of force any where without the Popes presence 18. Hormisda in the yeare of Christ .513 ordeined after he was at quietnes with the East Churches that the decrées of the fathers and Councelles shoulde binde all Nations wheras at the first● they were ordeyned for certaine Persones and Countries 19. Iohn the first in the yeare of Christe .525 ordeyned that y Emperour shoulde bée vnder the Subiection of the Pope 20. Foelix the fourth in the yeare of Christe .526 commaunded masses to be had only in a halowed place and y the Clergie should bée deuided from the people The Clergie in the quire and the people benethe in the bodie of the Churche and that men lying at the pointe of deathe shoulde bée a●oyled ▪ 21. Vigilius in the yeare of Christ .537 decréed that Rome should bée the mistres and mother of all other Churches 22. Pelagius the first in the yeare of Christ .556 put in too the masse to pray for the dead and committed an Heretique to the seculer Magistrate to bée punished ▪ This Pope did affirme first of all other that the Supremacie of the Bishope of Rome was geuen of Christ and not of any Sinode or of men 23. Iohn the thirde in the yeare of Christ .563 decréed agaynste his predecessour that none ought to bée called an highe Prieste or an vniuersall Bishope 24. Pelagius the second in the yeare of Christe .577 added many thinges to the masse he put Subdeacons from theire wiues and from other Ecclesiasticall of●●ces and made seauen fourmed Letanies to appease the wrathe of God for the great Pestilence y was at Rome 25. Gregory the first in the yeare of Christ .590 did many thinges well and many thinges euill hée called himselfe seruaunt of seruaunts and forbad that any shoulde be called a generall Bishop He put many things to the masse Letanies Processions Antiphonas Psalmodies Alleluya Nine Kirieleysons Offertorie thrée peticions in the Canon He forbad them that fasted to eate flesh milke chéese or egges and graunted at certain tymes of the yeare forgiuenes of their sinnes hée forbad monkes to Baptise or Images to bée broken 26. Sabinianus in the yeare of Christe .607 Appointed the day houres to bée deuided and knowne by Ringing of Belles and Lampes to burne in the Temples and caused Gregorius his Predecessoures bookes to bée burned 27. Bonifacius the thirde in the yeere of Christ .610 obteyned of Phocas the Emperour that he might be called Pope and Supreme heade and cheife Prince of all Bishops
Hierom and others collect vntil the .8 yere of Claudius Secondly I proue by the order of time and place that he could not be at Rome vntill the second yeare of Domitian which was after the passion of Christ .52 or 53. yeares which should haue bin after the destruction of Hierusalem which was after Christ .73 yeares the 8. day of September In the second discourse I proue that neither Peter nor the Pope is the head of the Church confuting such obiections as they alledge to the contrary wherein yee shall finde their arguments refelled their Cannon law confuted the Popes errours in Doctrine detected their sillogismes answered and finally certain antitheses betweene Christ and the Pope prouing him Antichrist with an interpretation vppon the place of Paule 2. Thessalo 2. THE FIRST DISCOVRS wherein is proued that Peter was neuer at Rome PETER before Christes passion and deathe did not depart out of Iewrie but was eyther with Christe or with other of the Apostles or elles labored in his vocation for he was a fisherman as is proued by the Gospell of S. Mathew Cap. 4. versu 18. cap. 8. vers 14. cap. 10. vers 2. cap. 14. ver 28. cap. 15. ver 15. cap. 16. ver 16.17.22 cap. 17. ver 1.26 cap. 18. ver 21. cap. 19. ver 27. cap. 26. ver 33.35.37.69.75 Marc cap. 1. ver 16. cap. 3. ver 16. cap. 5. ver 37. cap. 8. ver 29. cap. 11. ver 21. cap. 13. ver 3. cap. 14. ver 29.33.37.54.66 cap. 16. ver 7. Luc cap. 5. ver 3.4.5.8.10 cap. 6. ver 14. cap. 8. ver 51. cap. 9. ver 28.32 cap. 12. ver 41. cap. 22. ver 31.34.55.60 Ihon cap. 1. ver 42. cap. 18. ver 11.15.16.17.18.25 cap. 20. ver 3.6 cap. 21. ver 2.7 ¶ VVhere Peter was the first yeare after Christes Ascension THE first yeare after the death and resurrection of Christ he was with the rest of the Apostles on the mounte Olyuet beholding the Ascension of Christe and then returned to Hierusalem lokinge for the descending of the Holy Ghost and there with the rest did chose Mathias in the place of Iudas and made an eloquent oration Acte 2. from the .14 vers vntoo the .41 And he taryed at Hierusalem and cured a lame man and in the Temple made an excellent Oration Then was he with the rest of the Apostles layde in prison and the next daye let out and examyned by what power they had cured the lame man vntoo whom Peter answered effectually neyther went hee out of Iudea that first yeare after Christes Ascension as apereth manifestlie From Hierusalem the Apostles sent Peter and Iohn to Samaria where Philippe the Deacon had layde the foundacion of Christes Religion and had conuerted the Samaritaines Peter and Iohn obteyned by prayer that they might receyue the Holy Ghost Peter and Iohn after they had preached in Samaria returned to Hierusalem and there hée remayned vntill the seconde yeare after Christes Ascension in the which yeare Paule was conuerted to the fayth as hée went to Damascus where he preached immediatly And in Arabia where hée preached thrée yeares and then returned to Hierusalem where Peter was with the reste of the Apostles Reade diligently the first chapter to the Galathians Uers. 16.17.18 Act. 9. Uer. 23.24.25 in the which verses conferred with the 17. and 18. vers of the first chapter to the Galathians yée shall vnderstande that after Paule had spent thrée yeares in preachinge in Arabia and at Damascus which is a Cittie of Syria neare vnto Arabia hée went being let downe by the wall in a basket from Damascus to Hierusalem where hée dyd fynde Peter and Iames with other Disciples Neyther was Peter at any tyme hithertoo out of Iurie In Iurie hée went about and came to Lydda a Towne of Iurie where hée cured Aeneas who had ben sicke of the pallesy eight yeares and at porte Iaphe in Iurie hée re●●o●red Tabitha to lyfe From porte Iaphe Peter was sent for to Cornelius who was a Centurian at Cesarea a Cittie of Iurie also Peter when hée had instructed and baptized Cornelius and his howseholde returned to Hierusalem where the circumcysed reproued him for vttering the Gospell to the Gentyles who hée pacifyeth and persuadeth by his ‡ Oration This was the sixte yeare after Christes passion and the fifte yeare after Paules conuersion All that time that Paule was out of Hierusalem in ●harsis a Cittie of Lycia from whence Barnabas fetched him to Antioche a Cittie of Syria was Peter at Hierusalem and from thence went to the same citie of Antioche where Paule reproued him because that hée withdrewe himselfe from the Gentyles with whome hee did eate before that Iames came in with certeyne that were circumcised whom Peter feared to offend And this was seuē yeares from the conuersion of Paule And the eight from Christes passion which is not onely proued by order of tyme but also it is noted Galat. 2. Uers. 11.12 ●3 14 Act. 13. Uers. 2. All that tyme that Paule and Barnabas were with the Gentyles Peter remayned at Hierusalem till their returne sauinge that hée conueyed himself at that Easter whē Herode Agrippa was there for Herod Agrippa came frō Cesarea to Hierusalē the feast of Easter what time he beheaded Iames layd Peter in prison as is euidēt in the 1.2 3.4 ● 9. ver of y 12. Chapter of the Actes And this was the twelueth yeare from Christ his passion and the eleuenth from the conuersion of Paule Peter fearing the tyrannie of Herode Agrippa after that the Aungell had delyuered him out of prison conueyed himselfe out of the waye and as the texte sayeth into an other place vntill Herode Agrippa should departe from Hierusalem which was immediatly after Easter purposing in his mind to make warre with the Tyrians Sydonians or as Luke vttereth more effectually tynomachem And as God would the sayde Herode Agrippa a great defendour of the Iewes Lawes and Ordinances and a persecutour of Christians dyed miserably the ●ame 13. yeare after Christes passion which was the thirde yeare of the Emperour Claudius for Agrippa the same yeare of Claudius was striekē with the Angel eatē with woormes dyed miserably Thus may you sée euidētly y Peter went notout of Iurie vntill the iiij yeare of Claudius nor the neyther vntil the death of Claudius as I shall proue a litle after Now you maye sée y Peter was at Hierusalem in Iurie the first ij iij. yeare of Claudius as is euidently proued by Luke in the Actes of the Apostles Nowe let vs consider what place this was that Luke sayeth that Peter c●nueyed himselfe too lesse that they should saye that hée conueyed himselfe to Rome Surely hée hidde him selfe secretely in some place of Iudea ▪ vntill that Herode Agrippa should returne to Cesarea where he purposed to haue prepared an armie ageinst
of quick and dead is either God or as good as God The Pope is Iudge both of quicke and dead Ergo the Pope is either God or as good as God. The assumption is proued in Bernerd Lutzenburge a Fryer of great learning in the Scriptures and in Extra qui filij sunt legittimi C. per venera Ext de sententia Excom C. a nobis et 24. q. 2. Papa constitutus est iudex viuorum et mortuorum I aunswer He that is to bée iudged in the laste day is not the Iudge of the quick and dead But the Pope is to be iudged in the last day Ergo he is not the iudge of the quick and dead Obiection He that can prohibite matrimonie is aboue Christ The Pope can prohibite matrimonie Ergo the Pope is aboue Christ. Protasis is proued by Mathew the ●9 ver 6. Prochiphis or Chimma in extra vagant de conuersi Symperaga is euident of thother the Sillogisme is in Darij I aunswer He that prohibiteth Matrimonie is an Infidele and hath the spirite of errour The Pope prohibiteth Matrimonie Ergo the Pope is an Infidele and hath the Spirit of errour therfore Antechrist The first proposition is proued by Paule the .1 Tim. cap. 4. verse 1.2.3 The Sumption or assumption the Pope affirmeth in his Cannon Law as I haue alledged before and the conclusion is manifest and the Silogisme is in Darij Obiection That which other men are the Pope is not Other men are synners Ergo the Pope is none I aunswer That which other men are the Pope is not Other men are Christians Ergo the Pope is none ¶ An Interpretation of the place of Paule 2. to the Thess. 2. which describeth Antechrist I meane the Pope Except there come a departing first THEODORET calleth this departing Antechrist who shall seduce the world and drawe men from the trueth Who is the man of sinne which vsurpeth all the aucthoritie of the diuel and the operation of whom is the childe of perdition bicause hée destroyeth himselfe and others He shall sitte in the Temple of God which is mens myndes and shall sitte the highest in all assembles councells and places and shew himselfe as a God and shall call him the god Moasim a strong stoute and mightie God some vnderstand this departing too bée when the Romaine Empyre béegan too decaye in the tyme of the Emperour Heraclius when the Turkes and Saracenes departed from the Romaine Empyre vnto Mahuemite and folowed the superstition vaneties and subtyle sect of the great Turke Augustinus confesseth his ignoraunce in the vnderstanding of this place Notwithstanding saieth hée some meane by Antechrist the whole bodye of sinne the whole malygnant Churche with theyr Captayne Antechrist and so sitte in the Church as though he were the onely Church and now ye know what withholdeth and what is the cause of his delaye and why that this pestilent membre of Satan doth not apeare euen the Romain Gmpire letteth for tyll it béegin to deminishe he shall not vtter himselfe by the misterie of iniquitie some vnderstande Nero some Heresies by him that witholdeth some vnderstand the Romaine Empire as Ambrose and others as I sayd before some the grace of God and the might of his spirit some gods appointment and decrée who assigned Antechrists tyme but Theodoret vnderstandeth it of the Gospell which must be preached ouer all the world Christs Religion published euery where adolatrie vanquished false doctrine detected superstition abolished and then shall Antechrist appeare Christ shall subdue this Tyraunt with the rodde and teath of his mouth Esai 11. verse .4 euen by his woorde and by godly men expert in his Lawe The body of sinne is Antechrist false prophets and false Christs Math. 7. verse .15 cap. 24. verse .24 Théeues and robbers Iohn the 10. verse .1 Antechrists kingdome cōsisteth in ambition domination arrogancie false doctrine fables visions reuelations pardones and such other abhominations The abhomination of desolotion is knowen by notes of Antechrist false doctrine in this host and that host and in euery Alter with his naturall bodye He is knowen by Tyrannye by all manner of myscheife he is the man of sinne for he doth not only sinne himselfe but also causeth other to sinne For the Pope sayeth that if he sel the whole world he selleth but his owne or if he cary innumerable sorte of soules to hell with him there may no man aske him why he doth so He is the childe of perdition and man of sinne bicause that he is a man in déede and in mans nature and taketh vppon him the operation of the deuill for God elected Christ who in his humain nature should redeme vs and bring vs to saluation euen so doth the deuel choose a very man who should supplant seduce peruert and destroy calling himselfe Christ and God and aduouching thē to be false gods whome before he reuerenced as true gods The Temple of GOD he calleth Christs Church and congregation where he will vsurpe the highest seate and place boasting himselfe for God. Antechrist shall neither be deuell nor féende but a very man in whome shall dwell whoie Satan bodely He sitteth in the Church of God as God he shall persecute the godly chaunge the Lawes of God and eealt himselfe aboue GOD and compell all men all Lawes all Regions to be subiect to his authoritie He shal feigne chastetie and contynencie to deceiue men withall Gregorye the fyrst of that name calleth him the forerunner of Antechrist who taketh vppon him to be an vniuersall priest bicause in pride and presumption hée preferreth him selfe before others but this doth the Pope Therfore he is Antechrist Gregorie calleth him Antechrist who sendeth out his preachers to teache that the Sabboth day or Sunday ought not to bée laboured vppon and to folowe the Iewes in obseruing the rites of the law and so cause the Sabboth to bée reuerenced But the Pope doth this Ergo the Pope is Antechriste After that Iohn in his Reuelation had described the firste beaste whiche was the Romaine Empire to bée a defacer of Christe and a persecuter of the Christians hée inferreth the second beast too come out of the earth souoring of earthly things and hauing two hornes as the Lambe of Christ had the one horne is the worldly kingdome of the Pope which consisteth in vsurping For he called himselfe a king and not only a king but also created kings Emperours and deposed them The other horne is the priesthode of the Pope For he hath authoritie in heauen and earth and therfore hath two keys the one for Heauen gates the other for hell gates Two swordes the one to subdue the Emperours withall the other to rule the Clergie He and his giue the holy Ghost and grace and therefore in auriculer confession in his pardones in making of priests He speaketh like a Dragon euen like the deuell who seduced Adam and made him offend against all the commaundements