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A68850 A mothers teares ouer hir seduced sonne: or A dissuasiue from idolatry penned in way of a dialogue, by occasion of a late letter from the sonne now at Doway, to his mother: which is also printed vvith the letter, and is fully set downe in the sonnes part, for the substance, though with some addition in forme.; Answere of a mother unto hir seduced sonnes letter. 1627 (1627) STC 24903.5; ESTC S114250 89,317 193

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therefore the Pope is Supreame head Bellar makes it follow mark that by the way we haue forsaken all what shall we haue therefore Peters expectation was large upon that so is ours Now turne to the 2. 4. of the Acts. there you shall find that as many as possessed Lands or houses sold them and layd the money at Peters seete Put all this together and wee have first Counsell Bellarm calls it so to maintaine voluntarie povertie Secondly we haue the practise of the converts to cast away all and Thirdly we haue it warranted from the Apostles to begg when we haue done who after they had forsaken all lived saith Bellarmine vitam mendicantium like our Monks beggar-like MOTHER Then you must mend your Coppie It is voluntarie beggerie Here good Reader thou seest my child hath urged Bellarmine that booke he read and such like before the Scriptures nay before he had layd the first principles and so was poysoned Hence those tares let them teach thee to look unto the Scriptures as thy Counsellors throgh Gods blessings upon it they will make thee wiser then was Bellarmine In the meane time know they are the Soveraigne Antidote against poyson Now thou shalt heare a woeman contend with Bellarmine A booke I never read but a skilfull Fisherman hath fished out of that booke something to my hand which I shall set downe for my childs instruction and thee too till thou findest a better help It is true Bellarmine saith that This Goe sell giue c was not Christs precept but his Counsell and that not to the young man alone but to all the faithfull We will not contend about words call it precept or counsell I confesse their is difference It was specially directed to one and it teacheth all I pray you give me leaue to paraphrase upon Christs words though like a woeman Thou wouldest get heaven by doing and thou thinkst thou art come to a nothing more what lacke I yet doest thou understand the voyce of words They that heard could not endure that which was commanded and Moses said I exceedingly feare and quake Hebr. 12. And yet wouldst thou get heaven by doing something is behind that shall tell thee thou art too forward yea that nothing is yet don Thou hast kept the Commandements that shall be tried What canst thou doe for thy brother whom thou hast seen canst thou draw forth thy soule unto him I doe not mean thy outward parting with thy goods Canst thou doe it according to the perfection of charity which the Law requireth Nay canst thou doe it according to that measure which the Gospell requires if the cause of the Gospell calls for it Though thou bestowest all thy goods to feed the poore and hast not Charity it profiteth thee nothing 1 Cor. 13. Thy money is thy treasure man thy heart is upon it Thou must part with thy treasure when thou maist keepe thy money Thy affections must be taken off thou must bye as if thou boughtedst not thou must enioy as if thou enioyedst not This makes thee sorrowfull now Thou art then exceeding faulty in the second table toward thy brother whom thou hast seen Thou art infinitely short in the second table towards God whom thou hast not seen Thus you see the Lord tried this yong man in that which was his treasure indeed for his heart was on it he sorrowed for he had great possessions The Lord feeles the pulse of a man and can make him bleed in a right vaine Now if you will conclude hence that no man can bee justified by the workes of the law which I take to be the genuine scope of the place we consent though Bellarmin doth not That he who failes in the second table must needs faile in the first we grant that too We goe further if you will prove hence that a man must cast away his treasure we grant that too meaning that what ever it be being a creature on which the Heart is rivited But if you will conclude hence that it is Christs counsell not to the young man alone but to all the faithfull goe cast away that civill right which thou hast to the talent given thee to use I will put thee to prove it out of Bellarmine and when thou hast done thou shalt begin againe and prove it from the Scripture else I will not beleeve it so much to the Counsell To the practise of the Apostles I have this to say Christ had told them by occasion of this rich mans departing sorrowfull It was hard for a rich man to enter into heaven Impossible without a great measure of grace Let none be grieved he is of low degree if hee hath a competencie Adversitie hath slaine a thousand prosperity ten thousand This man though young was sorrowfull to heare of parting with his possessions they lay too neare his heart Then answered Peter we have forsaken all what shall we have therefore What had they forsaken A house and old netts and friends too As small as you may account it all was forsaken for they left themselves nothing And this all might be great matters for a poore fisher man hath slept as quietly in his boat and upon land in his thatcht house as an Emperour in his pallace perhaps more quietly for great dores let in great cares And this is a truth too A man loves his house or what you will not because it is a great one but because it is his owne and therefore may he bee as loth to part with it as a rich man with hi● of hewen stone We will grant that the Apostles forsooke All and that they had not done it but that they knew hee that called them would recompence the losse though Peter was too hasty But if Bellarmine will conclude hence that a man may warrantably cast away his possessions and then confine himselfe to a Cloyster I shall never beleeve him because this man hath not a calling to it the Apostles had Come follow me This man mu'eth himselfe up in a hole the other were sent forth to publish the glad tidings of the Gospell a great worke Again Christ called them it was their best way to follow there is no danger in following Christ what ever the way bee Christ is a sure guide But they could not follow him like snailes with their house on their heads or with the netts on their backes The Scripture doeth not tell us they left the propriety they had in their house or in their netts if they did they were called to it and the matter was not much those netts were not to catch men we have not done with this Scripture yet My Child quotes Bellarmine and that truly who concludes that the Apostles did live the life of beggars therefore the Monks doe beg warrantably I could say it followes not still urging the Call which makes a maine difference the one were called and must obey the other were not called yet they will be in wants and that