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A39282	Vindiciæ catholicæ, or, The rights of particular churches rescued and asserted against that meer (but dangerous) notion of one catholick, visible, governing church ... wherein by Scripture, reason, antiquity, and later writers, first, the novelty, peril, scandal, and untruth of this tenet are cleerly demonstrated, secondly, all the arguments for it, produced by the Rev. Apollonius, M. Hudson, M. Noyes, the London ministers, and others, are examined and dissolved ... / by John Ellis, Jun.	Ellis, John, 1606?-1681.	1647 (1647)	Wing E593; ESTC R18753	75,919	94

TO EACH BELEEVER THEN TO THE WHOLE CHVRCH which I desire may be observed Again He makes the authoritie of a general Councel to depend on that promise When two or three are gathered in my name c. And then saith That this as well agreeth to any particular company of Christians as to a generall Councel 2. It doth not appear to me in those chapters that hee ownes general Councells on any such grounds nor do I see how he can by what he saith on Eph. 4. 11. above cited 3. If these Councells he there approves did excommunicate c. yet he doth not mention his approbation of them in those things and wee may apprehend he might count such actions among those particulars of their failings which he there enumerates 2. After his Argument he makes the objection M. Hudson had done viz. The whole Church hath no visible head Ergo It is no one Visible Corporation or body He replies to this 1. Particular Churches are visible Churches though destitute of Officers But I Reply should they be so if they had not one common bond of particular laws administred by one person or one visible Society of Officers 2. They may all meet as one visible body the universal Church then must either meet so or else have some visible officers universal over the whole Secondly he saith Christ is supposed the Visible Head in some respect Answ. But that is not the question but what visible existent head there is on earth by whom it may appear one Visible bodie As we saw before out of Calvin on Ephes. 4. 11. 2. How can we contain Christ visible properly 3. He saith The Church is one so as to act ordinarily as one divisim dividedly and yet by reason of the mutual consent in all Churches one act of power done in one Church is by authority of the universal Church and reaches to all Churches as excommunication out of one is excommunication out of all But 1. There was never any Society or Corporation that acted as one dividedly and in parts unlesse it did first act as one joyntly together and in a body wherein power was given to such divided bodies to act so unlesse it were upon some sudden and extraordinary accident that required immediate action before the body could convene 2. Every Society though it may act in parts as a Kingdome in severall Corporations and a Corporation in severall Wards or Halls and Companies yet hath it withall one common ordinary and standing officer or officers visible to governe in chiefe to whom all maine causes are referred c. But 3. That the particular Church that acteth in the right of the universall Church by reason of mutuall consent in all Churches is not proved by that medium for mutuall consent may be voluntary and accidentall and so a figure onely whereas hee is to prove that all Churches are necessarily essentially by way of institution and for ever to be one body whether they consent or consent not But a particular Church acteth first In the right of Christ who is the first subject of Church power Matth. 28. 28. Secondly it acteth in the right of a Church that is of a Societie that hath embraced the faith of Christ which as a Church indefinitely and essentially is the next subject of Church power because we see such power committed to every Church so we heard even now Calvin to expound that promise Matth. 18. when tvvo or three are gathered c. which I finde also the forepraised Author to have said before me whom at the writing of this above I had not seene in the particular 4. That he that is excommunicated out of one Church if duely is excluded out of all is not because the whole Church is one visible body but because all the particular Churches agree in nature and essence of Doctrine Worship and Government so that he that is unfit to be a member of one is so of all because they all require the same essentiall conditions as he that is cut off by the hand of Justice for violation of the Lawes of nature in one Common wealth is cut out of all yet it doth not follow that all men are one Common wealth Or as hee that is out-lawed in one Corporation justly is outlawed in all Congregations virtually and upon the matter though not directly and formally till hee be so declared by them if those Corporations go all by the same lawes for substance and government though it doth not follow that these severall corporations are therefore one or under one generall body which as I take it is the case betwixt England and Scotland where by reason of union under one King though the governments remaine distinct yet one that is borne in either Kingdome is not an Alien but a Free-borne Denizon of both and so by consequence as I apprehend for I may be mistaken in a Law notion and I bring it but for illustration hee that is out-lawed in one Kingdome cannot remaine under the protection of the Lawes of the other and yet the bodies are distinct in power and government though not divided wholy but in some respect So in the Church In the third and last place he comes to authorities But here either he cites those who are nothing for him or when they dispute the point professedly are expressly against him as his first Author Chamier who though he say that if not every Pastor yet all of them are set over the whole Church yet when he argueth the point he explaineth himselfe to mean all distributively every one in his charge as all the Ma●ors and Sheriffes governe the whole Kingdome but not joyntly but severally for hee denyeth such an one visible universall Church as Mr Hudson acknowledged and as we saw before The 2. Are other moderne Divines whom Mr Noyes would have not to consist with themselves whilest they deny an universall visible Church and yet grants Judiciall Power to Synods But it hath beene shewed before that this may be granted though the other be denyed c. The 3. Are the Fathers who he saith so predicated an universall visible Church they laid the foundation for an universall Bishop If so then let this Author take heed he lay not a foundation to raise him out of the grave againe in his Image as I have heard a Reverend Elder of New England called an universal visible Church in respect of the Papacy and to bury the liberties of all the Christian Churches in his grave The 4. Author is Polanus who saith the things of God are administered Synodali {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} by the determination of the Synod but are confirmed Regia {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} by the Kings authoritie Wee allow the Power of determining with Calvin above cited according to the word of God to Synods and are well content and thankfull that Kings will become Nursing Fathers to the Church

of one visible Catholick Church and might both consist together in a particular one So that as neither Episcopacie nor Presbyterie absolutely considered are engaged to owne the opposed Tenet so neither doth that Truth I plead for constrain me to oppose either if within the forementioned limits My aim is the plucking up of that root from whence sprang the exorbitancy of both and what was worse then either And as I am not obliged to oppose so I would not be interpreted to plead for the one or other My businesse is to deal with the subject of Church government and that onely in its exrent and limits Now for a call to this service though it challenge the most exercised abilities and that other more able hands have undertaken it which I heard not of till these papers were almost in the Presse yet one of the * Authors I reply unto having done me the favour to invite me to a disputation about the Argument and afterward farther obliging me by sending one of the printed books to me for which I am his debtor with desire that if I excepted against any thing in it I ●ould send my thoughts in w●iting to him privately I conceived my self particula●ly engaged to deal in this argument and that not privately but publickly because what I was to speak to was published first CHAP. II. The State of the question THat we may know what we speake and vvhereof vve affirme as the Apostle phraseth it the true state of the controversie is to be expounded the mistake whereof is the rise of much of the dispute about this question For the clearer proceeding wherein four or five Termes are to bee explained First the word CHVRCH Secondly the Onenesse or unitie of it Thirdly The Vniversalitie Fourthly The Visibility Fifthly that which is included in the other the povver of it Concerning the first The word CHVRCH is taken as in other acceptations so 1. Mystically and Essentially for a company of tho●e that have owned the doctrine * of Christ 2. Politically as such a company are cast into one Society Corporation Republique or Body politique And this againe is considered either Totally as comprehending those in heaven also Ephes. 3. 15. the vvhole family in heaven and earth or partially for those on earth onely and this either generally for all as some would understand the word though we cannot give an instance of this signification in Scripture or particularly for those who live together in One place and are associated into one body called a Particular Church as the Church of Rome Jerusalem c. The next Terme is Onenesse or Vnitie which is 1. Essentiall and in Nature such as is that of all particular things in their generall heads all men as they partake of the common nature and essence of man rationalitie which is one are in that respect called one Nation or Man●inde in the singular 2. There in an accidentall unitie when the agreement is in that which is not of the essence and nature but adventitious to the things as time place appurtunances c. as some Spanjards some French some English may be one company as by occasion they are met in one place or as kingdomes and States at generall diets or by mutuall leagues become one accidentally by such unions 3. An Integrall or Bodily onenesse as I may so speake when many particulars are joyned together as one whole and this is 1. of a similer or Homogeneall body whereof all the parts are of the same nature with the whole and one with another such as is the onenesse of drops of water in the Sea and sands on the Shore or ● of a dissimilar and hetrogeneall one when the parts differ from the whole and among themselves and this is double 1. Physicall and Naturall as ●hen all the parts and members make but one individuall substance as the head feet trunke c. are all one naturall body 2. Politicall or by way of morall corporation and Republique when many single ones are bound up in one sociall relation as divers persons into one family severall families into one corporation many corporations into one Common wealth and this union againe is twofold 1. Misticall when things are one in some hidden relation that is not visible to the sence as all families descending from some First house such are all the sonnes of Adam and of Abraham all professours of the same faculty be they never so farre asunder 2. Visible and outward when the union of all parts is obvious and evident to the eye and sence as the union of the members in the bodie of man or members of a society when they are met and act visibly together as the City of London in Common Councell the Kingdome of England in Parliament 4. There is a Collective or aggregative onenesse which differs from the former in that this is only by collection or gathering as an heap of stones is one by being gathered together into one place but in a body whether naturall or politique there is required moreover a mutuall incorporation and inward dependance on one another c. Thus of the second terme The third is Vniversall or Catholick It is taken 1. Properly for that common nature in which particular things agree as common to them all Rationall creature in the general is the universall nature in respect of all particular men And in this sence universality is only a notion framed in the minde of man and collected from observation of severall particulars but hath no reall actuall being in time and place 2. Improperly for that which though it be a single thing either naturall or by way of relation is yet in regard of the wide spreading of its parts called universall catholicke and Generall as we say the Kingdome of England in generall or universall doth this or that though it be but one single Kingdome c. and in this sence that which is called universall may have an actual being and existence The Fourth Terme is visibilitie It is an accident or addition to the nature of things as they are perceiveable to the eye or in a large acceptation by any other sence the subject whereof is alwaies a corporal or bodily thing representing it selfe as one unto the sence The last Terme included though not expressed is Church power It is first Doctrinall vix Teaching Discussive Determinative and concluding in points of controversie by the Word 2. Active and this is either General and common and answers to that power that all men by vertue of the onenesse of Nature and onenesse of the Law of nature have in order each to other As 1. to take care of and do good to one another to protect each other from violence c. 2. Properly Rective and Iuridical and this is either 1. Extraordinary in some unusuall cases as every man hath power of life and death in

much being said in the former respect which they apply to the latter The third Defendant or rather Assaylant is the Reverend Assembly of Divines Their Assertion is The whole Church is but one made up of the Collection and aggregation of all who are called out of the World by the preaching of the Word to professe the faith of Christ in the unity thereof Their first Argument implyed is this From this union there ariseth unto every one such a relation unto and dependence upon the Catholique Church as parts have to the whole and are to doe all Christian duties as parts conjoyned unto the vvhole and members of the same that must be single Common vvealth and Corporation Answ. Such is the advantage of Truth that the greatest abilities grow weak when they dash against it 'T is sensible in this Argument and Authors of it For it doth not at all follow that every company of men that in some respect have an union together and in that respect may be conceived as one whole Brotherhood or Fellowship should herefore be one common-wealth or corporation For as was said before the brethren or families of the same first Parent suppose of the house of Essex Manchester or Fairfax have an union of blood together and in that respect are called the House in the singular number not the Houses of such a Family from which union there ariseth to every one of that House such a relation unto and dependence upon the House or Family in general as parts have to the whole and are to do all such brotherly duties as parts conjoyned to the whole yet doth it not hence follow that all these persons and their Families which possibly may be many are therefore one corporation The same might more evidently be illustrated by the whole race of mankinde who are one in nature one in parent one in office general the government of the world and worship of God one in the common laws of Nature one in the principal Governour God is the King of all the Earth c. And from this union there ariseth unto every man such a relation unto and dependence upon the catholick world or mankinde in general as parts have to the whole and are to do all humane duties as parts conjoyned to the whole of mankinde Hence the Philosopher when rebuked for giving an Almes to a needy but naughty fellow replyed I give it {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} not to the man but to mankinde yet how will would the Honourable Assembly of Parliament take this consequence from the Reverend Assembly of Divines If therefore they should conclude that all the men in the world are but one common-wealth and corporation for then as the former assertion of the onenesse of the Visible Church hath made them Schismaticks in the Church and such also as have sworn to be so In like manner this inference would represent them seditious in the world in the same degree and with them all particular Churches Kings and Kingdoms likewise Object But they say That the union of the Church is neerer and the relation closer and obligation strickter betwixt the members of the Church then betwixt the persons of men because it is spiritual and heavenly To which is answered 1. That the relation and union seems to be equally neer and close in their several kindes Men as Men are as much and have as neer an union and are as much engaged one to another Christians as Christians and Churches as Churches though the relation of Christians is more Noble and excellent and the motives stronger As beasts are as much one in their kind as men though the nature of man be more excellent 2. But be the relation of Christians yet closer yet that is in Spirit Faith mystical Vnion c. not outward and visible further then to carry on the invisible according to the Institution of Christ But neither this nor the former is by this notion countenanced but the contrary as hath been evidenced There may be a Society in Faith as there was in many parts and persons where there was no onenesse in Government Job was not alone in the World some other Church God then had and so he was one in the faith and profession and kinde of Church Administration with them but not united in one body of ou●ward government The place alledged for strengthning this Argument viz. Eph. 4. 3 to 14 hath been ansvvered above and implies no more but an essential or mystical union which necessarily implyeth an outward one in all duties in respect of the substance onely not the subject of them but prudentially and occasionally Such an union integrally per modum suppositi subjecti and by way of onenesse in a visible way of joynt government as shall be expedient for edification which ordinarily is best promoted within such a society as may at least upon occasion meet together in one place or howsoever live together in some neernesse at least Which is the more evident because the largest Churches mentioned in Scripture did so as the Jewish Church all whose Males met thrice a year at one place and whose whole Territorie or Land was but small scarce the fourth part of England and therefore might the better be one entire Congregation or Church but had they lived some at one end of the World some at the other as Christians do there is no likelyhood they should have been one Church Integral and as the Christians in Jerusalem and in other cities at the first plantation of the Gospel The second Argument All the Ministers and officers of the Church are given to the vvhole Church Answ. All the Magistrates and Officers of the World are given to the whole world for the governing of it but not to the world conjunctim and as one single Common-wealth or Corporation made up of several corporations and Common-wealths but divisim in respect of the several corporations and Common-wealths The places alledged for proof 1 Cor. 12. 28. Eph. 4. 11. are answered above whither we refer the Reader The third Argument is drawn from the third fourth and fifth supposition page 48 When the Church was no more then could meet in one place the Officers governed them as one undivided body respectively But their number increasing so as they could not meet altogether they divided into severall Companies which are in scripture called Churches to some one of which every beleever is bound to joyne himselfe But these severall Churches should not act or worke as if they were Independent Corporations but onely as parts of Christs body and are all to regard the common good of the whole Eph. 4. 1. c. and for that end are as much bound if it may be to associate into Presbyteries c. as particular men and families into Churches there being as much need of the one as of the other and so as many men or families make but

this Argument If it follow not when we say God hath set in the World some Emperours some Kings some Princes some inferiour officers and Magistrates therefore the whole world is but one Governing Kingdome and all particular Kingdomes do but governe in the right of the Kingdome of the world in Common the Officers whereof are the Kings of the severall Kingdomes who being gathered together or a part of them have the povver of giving Lavves to other Kingdomes according to the Lavv of God and nature which are the rules of all just Government and this also to bee done by the Kings and Princes themselves vvithout any authority from or any dependency on the people unlesse for quietnes sake and as far as they see cause If as was said this follow not neither doth it follow that because the scripture saith God hath set some in the Church Apostles c. Therefore the Church throughout the world is but one Congregation to whose Officers first as the generall Officers of the whole Church not by way of distribution but as a Notionally at least collected body of Officers the power of Government is committed by Authoritie whereof and dependence upon which common officers and body the officers of every particular Church do act and those without any dependency upon the concurrence of the people as co-operating and acting with them unlesse for peace sake By which means let it be observed by all sorts The power being given not to any one Church but to the whole Church as one body and not to the members with the Officers but to the Officers onely there is derived a very Transcendent power and Authoritie upon every particular Minister more then any Parliament-man hath yea more then a King who is limited to his dominion It makes every Minister one of the standing Officers of the Christian world to whom with his Collegues not severally and by distribution but joyntly and as one body is committed the Government of the whole Christian world and managing of the Affaires of the Son of God throughout the face of the earth And so hee is one of Christs Vicars Generall and not particular onely which I acknowledge every Minister to be in his place magnum surely et memorabile nomen But if this bee so great reason is it that the Church of the whole world should choose these Vniversall Officers and so the Church of a nation the Nationall Officers c. by whom they are to be Governed in that which is of Dearest and highest moment viz. the precious soule or else their condition is most sad If every one that can get a little learning and desires to live upon the Sweat and cost of others and to become a minister though I professe that calling to be most difficult on earth and also that the Lord hath appointed that those that preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel and so being willing to submit to such conditions as is required shall have a friend patron or a purse to make one and come into the ministery and a living which is the Kings Road in some Churches and is the way whereby many of those who now are to be Presbyters came in he shall become a Parliament man and joynt Governour of the whole Church on earth by whose one vote all the liberties and truth of Religion in them may be destroyed A glympe whereof we have seen in the Convocations or Synods in our owne Nation This I say is sad yea more sad then the condition of men in their Civil Liberties In our owne Kingdom where none attains the honour of being an universal Officer a Parliament man but by the consent formal or virtual of all or the major part of them there having been a precedent act by joynt consent of the whole Nation that persons chosen by the free Vote of the major part of Corporations c. should if loyal be Officers pro tempore to their owne Corporations and to the whole But such agreement hath not been made no not tacitely by the Catholick Church nor no such institution of Christ hath appeared yet And these answers also are applyable to what the same Author hath else where from the word CHVRCH as when he denieth a Particular Church to be the proper subject of the covenant of grace and priviledges of it because saith he the CHVRCH to which these promises are made is perpetual Jer. 31. 36. The strength of which reasoning lies on this that the word Church and not Churches is used in these places and so it is represented as one Answ. As if it were not common to call that perpetual which is so by succession of those of the like Nature and Kinde because the Lord saith Day and Night shall not cease to the Worlds end doth it therefore follow that all the essential properties of day or night do not agree to this or that particular day Is it not a rule in Nature and Reason that all the essential properties of general and common beings are really existent in the individual and partilars Man is to continue on earth to the end of the World does not therefore the essential properties of man agree to Peter or Paul because they were not to continue His second and third Argument there is That a particular Church cannot be the subject of the covenant of Grace and consequently of Church power for the reason is the same because the Church which hath these is sanctified is the spouse of Christ hath the Law written in the heart of it c. but a particular Church as it is particular cannot be said to be such Answ. But 1. It was never said that one particular Church is so the subject of these as that another is not Secondly To speak properly The Church not as visible nor as particular nor as invisible nor as universal is the subject of these things but as a Church i. e. A society of Beleevers and under that nation a particular Church considered as a Church hath right to all and is the subject of all these All are yours saith the Apostle to the Corinthians whether Paul or Christ c. So that this Author by adding this clause as particular hath praevaricated and altered the state of the Question His last Argument in that place is from the Testimony of the Professors of Leyden and Amesius To which I answer That the former say nothing but that the covenant and promises and priviledges belong to true beleevers and the invisible Church whether in a particular Church or dispersed through the world So that this Testimony seems rather to make against him The other is expresly against him and speaks our very sense yea and terms almost insomuch that I wonder this Author is brought in as a witnesse His words are even as they are cited by Apollonius himself These things agree not to the whole multitude that professe Christ but onely to those that are truly

safety may be the more so here 5. How are we slidden from one Integral entire body flowing from one Church at Jerusalem c. to a body made up of voluntary Associations The Kingdom of England is one entyre Common-wealth or body corporate of it selfe intrinsecally politically the Vnited Provinces are one by aggregations and voluntary Association But these two Reipublicks do greatly differ now the Church general is asserted by the Reverend Assembly to be one Common-wealth and Body corporate to whom as one yea and as first before all particular Churches The Officers Ordinances and Governement of the Church is concredited and committed Of like incompossibility is what is there added for illustration sake viz. That this joyneing is such as proceeds Ex charitate ex debito mutuae societatis colendae as is betweene Friends and Equalls Non ex debito inferioris conditionis ad praestandum obsequium As betwixt Masters and servants For what is this but Verba dare rem auferre The Honourable Houses of Parliament and Assembly of Divines Kingdome and Churches of England take their liberty now to reforme the State and Church as they judge agreeable to Law Reason and Religion This opinion by consequence makes this Kingdome but a Depending Member of the Vniversall Monarchy of the World and doth expresly affirme the Church or Churches in this Nation to act but as such in respect of the Vniversal Church Whence it inevitably and evidently follows that they ought to be in actuall association with all the rest of the Nations and Churches of the World these being an hundred times more in number have power at pleasure to over-vote them and to governe them and yet must the Parliament Assembly the Nation and Churches of this Kingdome even when actually so overborne perhaps against their minde and wills fancie and coneit themselves as free and enjoying as much liberty as now they do May wee not ascend by a predicamentall Ladder Classibus Vniversalium Kek. must it bee by a Transcendent even to Reason it self Another confirmation of this third Argument is taken from the Light of Nature which requires say these Reverend Gentlemen that the meanes for the edification of Particular Christians should be as applyable to whole companies of them unlesse Gods word hath some where forbidden it To which I return 1. That this Light of Nature should not be too much urged for it will plead hard for Episcopacie and a Pope {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} will bussle shrewdly here 2. That the method of the Light of Nature is to follow the Scriptures in matters of Christian Religion and not to move in them where the Scriptures stand still and are silent hence I note in the ranging of the Arguments of the Ministers of London in their divine right of the Presbyterie that they place the light of Nature first which though they do as intending it for the lowest step yet it is not justifiable to make it any at all in the things of Christ but where it hath some precedent hint from Scripture 3. The light of Nature I have shown before doth make a difference betwixt the necessity of associating of particular persons and of Common-wealths such as the Church is said to be and differenceth also the associations of the one and the other making the former a necessary onenesse and singlenesse of Corporation and Government but the other meerly an arbitrary and temporary friendship 4. The Scripture hath more to forbid all Churches to associate into one body Vniversal Politick then it hath that particular Churches should be entire body Politicks or Corporations of themselves seeing there is often expresse mention of particular visible governing Churches but none expresly of an universal one 5. I retort the way of reasoning the light of Nature teaches there is not the same reason betwixt particular persons and Common-wealths in this particular and therefore not to bee made all one unlesse the Scripture had commanded it The last particular which may seem to be though not brought here by them for that end a confirmation of this Tenet is by occasion alledged in page 61. from the parallel of the Church of Christ with the Church of the Iews to whom the whole Tribe of Levi was given as their Ministry 1. As to one body together when in the Wildernesse 2. To them as one body fixed and dispersed in Canaan This is replyed to before I repeat now That these being and living together in one small Territory and meeting all the Males three times a yeer in one place Jerusalem at one meeting house the Temple doth not argue the Church scattered throughout the World to be therefore one no more then because one Kingdom may be one Common-wealth and have Officers in common therefore all Kingdoms must be one 2. Besides this instance engages all the Churches to meet at some one place to have one chief Governour besides the Elders in common with such other inconveniences as are usually urged against this parallel We have done with the Arguments one passage or two I shall animadvert upon and with due respect take my leave Whilest they endeavour to maintain That it is not left free but is a duty of every Congregation to associate with others They say All are enjoyned to be of some Congregation but when they joyn to this rather then to that the mutual consent between them and the Congregation with whom they joyn is that which immediately gives them that special relation one to another c. From which I note That here is implyed a liberty in particular Christians to joyn to such Churches as they shall see cause If this be so how is it that the violation of Parochial limits is so insisted on though oft-times manifestly prejudicial to edification c. and those who keep not unto their Parishes presented and persecuted and those ministers that admit Christians of other Parishes resented as the destroyers of particular Congregations and such who novo inaudito exemplo gather Churches out of Churches Now it will not salve to say 1. That at the first constitution of Parishes there was such voluntary consent seeing 1. Which Parishes did so doth not appear And secondly In many 't is evident they were cast into parishes by those who were lords of those Mannors 3. Neither is it rationally probable that the whole Nation to one man did voluntarily receive the Gospel it self seeing fraud and force neither of which are voluntary motives were the tooles of Popery under which the conversion National was made 4. And though at first the union of such might be convenient yet afterward it may become an hinderance Yet am not I for the drawing of any Godly Able and faithful ministers people from him who is for the substance of Reformation though with many defects in lesser things Nor 2. will it be sufficient to say that when they choose to dwell in such parishes that then they consent to be

of such a Congregation for we know men do that on civil and oft-times necessitated grounds as most convenient for lively-hood when yet they are altogether unsatisfied either in the Minister or Congregation A 2. passage is p. 62. the several Congregations chuse or accept their particular Officers and all the Congregation united choose or accept their common Presbyterie yet page 58. 't is said their office is conferred on them by the Church either then the common Presbyterie is the Church when they choose the Elders for the several Congregations for they do but accept of them on the matter or else it was not a plain declaration of their mindes when they said the Church chooses or else this is inconsistent with the other The 4th Assertor is Mr Noyes whose tenet is That the Church of Christ on earth is one integral body visible and hath power to act in Synods and Councels unto the end of the world His 1. Argument is The Apostle were members 2. Officers of the Catholicke not any particular Church These are replyed to above 3. They admitted members into the Catholicke Church as the Eunuch and Cornelius the Jaylor c. Answ. These persons were admitted into the Church or company of those who professe Christ and were made visible members of that societie and corporation which is invisible as the Sacraments are said to be visible signes of invisible Grace The Church Catholique is visible in respect of its severall members and societies or Churches but not in respect of its whole being as one Corporation Society and Corporation properly so called differ All men are one society but not one Corporation so in the Church Now according to nature of the society are the priviledges common society hath certain common rights proper societies have peculiar ones Now the Church in generall is a society to all the members of which there belong certain common rights and priviledges as Spirituall food the word Sacraments the right of government in the generall c. but this implies not that it should be properly one Corporation no more then it concludeth because mankinde is a society and every one that is born is already by his birth admitted a member of humane societie and so into all the rights of men as they are men as to have right to food clothes protection and government in the generall that therefore all the men in the world are one Corporation or Kingdome 2. They were admitted by baptisme immediately and directly into Christ and his mysticall body but into the visible company onely by accident If there had beene but one beleever on earth Baptisme had had its use and end Argum. 4. Christ is one visible head c. by vertue of his Lawes Ordinances Providences walking in the midst of the Church and of two or three gathered together as the King of Engl. is visibly King of Sco●l though residing at London in Engl. therefore the King being one the Church his Kingdom is one too Answ. Hee cites in the margent Beza saying that The Church is not a common wealth nor an Aristocracy but a Kingdome and if so surely Christ is the absolute monarch of it But that argues the Church to bee one in respect of Christ onely his spirit and lawes but not at all in respect of its visible Government by it selfe unlesse it be proved that Christ hath instituted on earth one visible single person or society of men to governe as one company together the whole Church on earth 2. A King though absent from one place yet is visible somewhere in his Kingdomes but Christ not personally visibly now 3. A king of more kingdomes then one though they be one as they meet in his person and in some respects and have some common priviledges yet may their governments be distinct as England and Scotland 4. As Christ is one so God is one and as the Church is Christs Kingdome so is the world Gods Kingdome his Law of nature one his providence governing one but is it therefore but one outward Kingdome Arg. 5. The Church of the Jews was a Type of the Christian Church the great Sanhedrin figured the Apostles and generall Councells they were many tribes but one Church Arg. 6. Rev. 11. 1. 2. 3. the universal Church is represented by one city the new Iernsalem and called the Church Mat. 16. 1 Cor. 12. Eph. 4. Answ. The Jewish Church was a Type but not in all things for then must wee have one visible high Priest one Temple must meet altogether there c. but as these ended in Christ so that national Church till it be called the second time 2. That Church was but one single intire Congregation there they met all of them thrice a year before the Lord and the Tabernacle called the Tabernacle of the Congregation 4. The Church and Common-wealth were one body as such which I think Mr Noyes will not judge to hold in all nations 2. To that of one Jerusalem I say that it is questionable whether those places speak of the Church as it shall be before the comming of Christ or after 3. Whether they speak of the state of it before the calling of the Jews or after the latter is affirmed by several expositors and they urge the word Ierusalem it shall be the State of the Jews But 4. Howsoever figurative and symbolical places are not argumentative alone 5. The Church is no mystical Ierusalem though not visible neither doth that vision argue it to be visible no more then the Holy Ghost his appearing in the shape of a Dove conclude that the Holy spirit is visible Argum. 7. The mysticall union of Brotherhood makes one mysticall body Ergo the visible union one visible body Answ. It beggs the Question For 't is denyed that there is such a visible Onenesse as is the mysticall the mystical union Catholick is reall the visible notionall only So all men have a mysticall union of nature yet not in outward government nor would it be convenient they should Argum. 8. All naturall grounds of fellowship in particular Churches in respect of ordinary execution bespeaks fellowship in one Catholick Church in respect of lesse ordinary Brotherly union Christian profession the celebration of the name of Christ who is glorified more eminently in the great assembly all these are prevalent The notion of a relation doth cherish affection pride and independency are inseparable Answ. 1. Does all relations of persons one to another and obligations of mutuall duties in regard of those relations argue that they must be one Corporation and one Government The twelve children of Iacob if God had seene it good might have beene so many severall Churches and kingdomes and yet have preserved unitie and done their duties of their relation of Brotherhood The twelve Apostles were independent in power one from another see Gal. 7. chap. 2. yet were in relation one to another and did performe all mutuall offices for