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A16701 The apologie of the Romane Church deuided into three seuerall tractes whereof 1. The first, concerneth the antiquitie and continuance of the Catholike Romane religion ever since the Apostles time. 2. The second that the Protestantes religion was not so much as in being, at or before Luthers first appearing. 3. The thirde that Catholickes are no lesse loyall and dutifull to their soveraigne, then Protestantes. All which are vndertaken and proued by testimonies of the learned Protestantes themselues. Anderton, Lawrence.; Anderton, James, fl. 1624, attributed name. 1604 (1604) STC 3604; ESTC S119868 294,461 212

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gen._n and_o also_o of_o rabbi_n abba_n and_o rabbi_n selomo_n allege_v by_o petrrus_n galatinus_n de_fw-fr arcanis_fw-la catholicae_fw-la veritatis_fw-la print_v francofuf_n 1602._o l._n 6_o c._n 6._o colum_fw-la 339._o f._n &_o 340._o b._n c._n rabbin_n and_o the_o answerable_a ponere_fw-la answerable_a mr._n fulke_o in_o his_o defence_n of_o the_o english_a translation_n etc._n etc._n p._n 320_o initio_fw-la say_v the_o jewish_a rabbin_n patron_n of_o freewill_n do_v err_v etc._n etc._n and_o whereas_o rabbi_n akiba_n in_o capitulis_fw-la patrum_fw-la say_v et_fw-la potestas_fw-la data_fw-la est_fw-la &_o in_o bono_fw-mi mundus_fw-la iudicatur_fw-la paulus_n fagius_n in_o hunc_fw-la locum_fw-la say_v haebrei_fw-la hanc_fw-la sententiam_fw-la sic_fw-la explicant_fw-la etc._n etc._n ut_fw-la cuivis_fw-la homini_fw-la potestas_fw-la tradita_fw-la sit_fw-la vel_fw-la bene_fw-la vel_fw-la male_a agendi_fw-la and_o again_o apotheca_fw-la aperta_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n hoc_fw-la referunt_fw-la ad_fw-la liberum_fw-la arbitrium_fw-la videlicet_fw-la in_o nobis_fw-la situm_fw-la ut_fw-la vel_fw-la male_a vel_fw-la bene_fw-la agamus_fw-la deum_fw-la nobis_fw-la mortem_fw-la aut_fw-la vitam_fw-la pro_fw-la ponere_fw-la confession_n in_o that_o be_v half_a of_o mr._n d._n fulke_o and_o paulus_n fagius_n 4_o four_o as_o concern_v god_n induration_n or_o harden_v of_o pharos_n hart_n the_o jewishe_a rabbin_n be_v so_o plain_a in_o affirm_v with_o we_o the_o same_o to_o be_v by_o god_n permission_n and_o not_o by_o his_o work_n which_o exposition_n in●●o_n exposition_n calum_fw-la institut_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n 4_o sect_n 3._o in●●o_n caluine_n dislike_v in_o the_o ancient_a father_n that_o peter_n martyr_n 9_o martyr_n peter_n martyr_v in_o epist_n ad_fw-la rom._n c._n 9_o and_o munster_n 7_o munster_n m●nster_n annot._n in_o exod._n c._n 7_o do_v according_o acknowledge_v this_o their_o aforesaid_a exposition_n 5_o five_o as_o concern_v angel_n and_o saint_n the_o book_n of_o toby_n write_v so_o many_o age_n before_o christ_n be_v so_o 15.18_o so_o toby_n 5_o 5.12_o 12.13_o 15.18_o plain_a with_o we_o concern_v the_o patronage_n and_o intercession_n of_o angel_n that_o mr._n whitaker_n do_v therefore_o according_o confess_v and_o say_v thereof_o medi._n thereof_o whittaker_n in_o respon_n ad_fw-la rationes_fw-la campiani_n rat_n 1._o pag._n 15._o ante_fw-la medi._n illum_fw-la vero_fw-la tobiae_fw-la raphaelem_fw-la etc._n etc._n little_o do_v we_o regard_v the_o example_n of_o raphaell_n the_o angel_n mention_v in_o toby_n ne●ther_o do_v we_o acknowledge_v those_o 6._o those_o of_o the_o like_a number_n of_o seven_o angel_n which_o mr._n whitaker_n so_o mislike_v see_v revelat_fw-la 1_o 4._o &_o 5_o 6._o seven_o ang●l●_n whereof_o he_o speak_v all_o this_o be_v different_a from_o the_o canonical_a scripture_n and_o savore_v i_o know_v not_o of_o what_o superstition_n in_o like_a manner_n do_v the_o book_n of_o maccabee_n make_v mention_v how_o that_o judas_n mach●beus_n 14._o mach●beus_n 2._o machab._n 15_o 12_o 13_o 14._o see_v in_o vision_n onias_fw-la the_o high_a preiste_n who_o be_v then_o before_o slay_v 34_o slay_v see_v 2._o machab._n 3_o 33_o &_o 4_o 34_o hold_v up_o his_o hand_n towards_o heaven_n