of_o they_o arise_v from_o your_o unacquaintedness_n with_o the_o rule_n we_o walk_v by_o although_o we_o be_v not_o to_o be_v blame_v for_o any_o mistake_n that_o may_v arise_v ab_fw-la ignorantia_fw-la juris_fw-la whether_o simple_a or_o affect_v that_o we_o determine_v not_o but_o leave_v yâ—u_n to_o judge_v before_o we_o come_v to_o make_v answer_n more_o particular_o to_o what_o follon_n we_o be_v willing_a to_o be_v at_o some_o pain_n to_o give_v you_o some_o far_a account_n of_o the_o power_n we_o be_v awarrant_v by_o the_o civil_a authority_n for_o to_o exercise_v to_o what_o person_n within_o our_o bound_n it_o extend_v itself_o etc._n etc._n much_o pain_n you_o have_v take_v and_o that_o willing_o and_o spend_v much_o time_n and_o paper_n too_o which_o have_v swell_v your_o answer_n to_o so_o great_a a_o bulk_n to_o prove_v that_o which_o be_v not_o oppugn_v nor_o so_o much_o as_o quest_n on_v by_o we_o so_o impertinent_a to_o the_o business_n of_o our_o paper_n though_o you_o have_v say_v you_o be_v not_o willing_a to_o spend_v time_n about_o impertinency_n by_o which_o however_o we_o go_v on_o yet_o you_o wheel_v about_o and_o be_v come_v to_o the_o pole_n you_o first_o start_v at_o like_o a_o horse_n in_o a_o mill_n that_o travel_v all_o day_n and_o be_v no_o further_o at_o night_n than_o he_o be_v in_o the_o morning_n you_o go_v about_o to_o prove_v your_o government_n establish_v by_o civil_a authority_n the_o first_o work_n you_o take_v in_o hand_n you_o be_v no_o further_o yet_o but_o go_v about_o to_o prove_v out_o of_o your_o way_n quite_o but_o since_o you_o compel_v we_o to_o follow_v you_o a_o mile_n we_o will_v walk_v with_o you_o twain_o till_o we_o have_v conduct_v you_o if_o possible_a into_o the_o good_a old_a way_n again_o by_o take_v of_o your_o government_n from_o that_o establishment_n of_o authority_n upon_o the_o proof_n whereof_o the_o most_o considerable_a part_n as_o to_o the_o bulk_n of_o your_o answer_n do_v insist_v to_o prove_v your_o presbyterian_a government_n to_o be_v establish_v by_o law_n and_o to_o be_v warrant_v by_o the_o civil_a authority_n you_o produce_v several_a order_n and_o ordinance_n but_o one_o more_o especial_o you_o instance_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o commons_o assemble_v in_o parliament_n bear_v date_n the_o 10_o august_n 1648._o which_o you_o say_v be_v without_o any_o limitation_n of_o time_n and_o remain_v unrepealed_a to_o this_o day_n nay_o more_o by_o the_o humble_a advice_n assent_v unto_o by_o his_o highness_n it_o receive_v strength_n to_o which_o we_o answer_v when_o you_o speak_v of_o a_o government_n establish_v by_o law_n we_o hope_v you_o mean_v such_o as_o have_v the_o force_n and_o strength_n of_o a_o law_n to_o bind_v the_o free_a bear_v people_n of_o this_o nation_n otherways_o you_o say_v nothing_o if_o such_o a_o law_n you_o mean_v then_o we_o much_o question_n whether_o your_o ordinance_n of_o lord_n and_o commons_o though_o unrepealed_a to_o this_o day_n be_v of_o that_o force_n and_o see_v we_o be_v no_o lawyer_n we_o shall_v not_o take_v upon_o we_o the_o determination_n of_o that_o point_n but_o refer_v you_o in_o that_o particular_a to_o the_o judgement_n and_o resolution_n of_o the_o sage_n of_o the_o law_n who_o affirm_v that_o nothing_o can_v have_v the_o force_n of_o a_o law_n to_o bind_v the_o people_n without_o the_o concurrent_a consent_n of_o the_o three_o estate_n in_o parliament_n my_o lord_n cook_n be_v most_o full_a throughout_o his_o work_n publish_v by_o the_o special_a appointment_n of_o that_o long_a parliament_n hear_v you_o he_o for_o the_o parliament_n concern_v make_v and_o enact_v 158._o of_o law_n consist_v of_o the_o king_n the_o lord_n spiritual_a and_o temporal_a and_o the_o commons_n and_o it_o be_v no_o act_n unless_o it_o be_v make_v by_o the_o king_n the_o lord_n and_o commons_o again_o if_o a_o act_n be_v make_v by_o the_o king_n and_o commons_o this_o bind_v not_o for_o it_o be_v no_o act_n of_o parliament_n ibid._n again_o it_o be_v no_o act_n of_o parliament_n but_o a_o ordinance_n and_o therefore_o bind_v not_o 4_o part_n instit_n fol_n 23._o again_o nothing_o can_v pass_v as_o a_o law_n without_o the_o king_n râ—yal_a assent_n and_o authority_n to_o bind_v the_o people_n 3_o part_n instâ—â—_n fol._n 9_o see_v he_o also_o again_o in_o his_o instit_n 4_o part_n fol_n 232._o where_o he_o cite_v several_a charter_n and_o ordinance_n make_v in_o the_o behalf_n of_o the_o court_n of_o stannary_n and_o in_o the_o end_n say_v these_o thing_n be_v do_v de_fw-la facto_fw-la bâ—t_o let_v we_o â—â—rn_v ourselves_o to_o that_o which_o have_v the_o force_n of_o a_o law_n and_o in_o the_o same_o 4_o part_n cap._n 73._o of_o the_o court_n of_o forest_n fol._n 293._o see_v there_o a_o prescription_n good_a against_o a_o statute_n of_o ed._n 3._o cap._n 2._o because_o it_o be_v make_v but_o in_o affirmance_n of_o the_o common_a law_n of_o the_o forest_n and_o against_o such_o a_o statute_n a_o man_n may_v prescribe_v and_o good_a also_o against_o the_o ordinance_n of_o 34._o e._n 1._o and_o the_o only_a reason_n give_v be_v because_o it_o be_v but_o a_o ordinance_n and_o no_o statute_n a_o ordinance_n of_o both_o house_n be_v no_o law_n of_o the_o land_n by_o their_o own_o confession_n mean_v the_o parliament_n say_v judge_n jenkins_n 1_o part_n coll._n ordinance_n fol._n 728._o this_o be_v the_o only_a law_n stand_v in_o force_n and_o bind_v which_o be_v make_v by_o the_o concurrent_a consent_n of_o alâ—_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o these_o sage_n and_o be_v call_v the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n none_o else_o in_o old_a time_n be_v judge_v valid_a or_o to_o have_v the_o force_n and_o strength_n of_o a_o law_n nor_o at_o this_o day_n will_v any_o ordinance_n of_o one_o or_o both_o house_n be_v judge_v valid_a without_o his_o highness_n assent_v thereunto_o as_o we_o humble_o conceive_v but_o admit_v ordinance_n of_o one_o or_o both_o house_n of_o parliament_n without_o the_o king_n of_o old_a or_o his_o highness_n assent_v of_o late_a to_o have_v aâ—_n great_a a_o force_n and_o strength_n in_o they_o and_o to_o be_v as_o valid_a to_o all_o intent_n and_o purpose_n as_o if_o their_o assent_n be_v give_v thereto_o yet_o this_o we_o affirm_v of_o your_o ordinance_n settle_v presbyterian_a government_n throughout_o the_o kingdom_n of_o england_n and_o dominion_n of_o wales_n that_o it_o be_v make_v of_o little_a or_o no_o force_n at_o this_o day_n in_o respect_n of_o those_o several_a subsequent_a act_n grant_v liberty_n to_o all_o pious_a and_o conscientious_a christian_n throughout_o this_o land_n to_o serve_v god_n in_o their_o own_o way_n of_o worship_n and_o disclpline_n notwithstanding_o any_o law_n or_o ordinance_n to_o the_o contrary_a which_o though_o they_o amount_v not_o to_o a_o express_a yet_o at_o least_o to_o a_o implicit_a repeal_n of_o your_o ordinance_n so_o far_o as_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o this_o liberty_n for_o leges_fw-la posteriores_fw-la priores_fw-la contrarias_fw-la abrogant_fw-la but_o stand_v you_o upon_o a_o express_a repeal_n then_o be_v please_v to_o peruse_v a_o act_n make_v anno_fw-la 1650._o for_o relief_n of_o religious_a and_o peaceable_a people_n from_o the_o rigour_n of_o former_a act_n of_o parliament_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n and_o to_o peruse_v a_o little_a better_o the_o humble_a advice_n by_o you_o in_o your_o answer_n allege_v and_o you_o will_v find_v it_o far_o otherwise_o than_o you_o say_v in_o the_o eleven_o section_n all_o minister_n throughout_o the_o land_n and_o their_o assembly_n profess_v the_o true_a protestant_a christian_n religion_n though_o of_o different_a judgement_n in_o worship_n or_o discipline_n be_v all_o of_o they_o equal_o protect_v in_o the_o liberty_n of_o their_o profession_n have_v you_o liberty_n to_o exercise_v your_o church_n government_n among_o yourselves_o they_o as_o much_o have_v you_o protection_n other_o as_o much_o what_o power_n have_v you_o that_o other_o have_v not_o be_v these_o within_o the_o bound_n of_o your_o association_n and_o subject_a to_o your_o government_n unless_o they_o will_v renounce_v their_o baptism_n and_o christianity_n nay_o they_o have_v their_o way_n of_o worship_n and_o protection_n in_o that_o way_n grant_v they_o as_o well_o as_o you_o and_o as_o they_o may_v not_o revile_v or_o reproach_n nor_o disturb_v you_o in_o your_o assembly_n no_o more_o may_v you_o they_o in_o their_o assembly_n nor_o compel_v any_o by_o censure_n or_o penalty_n to_o submit_v to_o your_o government_n be_v there_o a_o presbyterian_a government_n so_o settle_v by_o ordinance_n as_o to_o compel_v any_o contrary_n to_o this_o liberty_n read_v the_o act_n of_o 1650._o abovesaid_a and_o you_o shall_v find_v a_o express_a repeal_n read_v also_o the_o close_a of_o this_o section_n and_o you_o shall_v find_v
way_n and_o hedge_n to_o fetch_v in_o his_o guest_n we_o will_v not_o refuse_v the_o service_n nor_o be_v ashamed_a to_o bear_v the_o reproach_n of_o more_o than_o that_o phrase_n signify_v for_o his_o sake_n 4._o and_o what_o though_o we_o be_v to_o exhort_v person_n to_o apply_v themselves_o to_o the_o eldership_n for_o their_o come_n to_o the_o sacrament_n do_v this_o follow_v that_o all_o that_o can_v not_o submit_v to_o elder_n shall_v be_v subject_a to_o excommunication_n whether_o scandalous_a or_o no_o etc._n etc._n we_o presume_v if_o they_o have_v their_o government_n on_o foot_n whatsoever_o they_o will_v allow_v to_o dissent_v brethren_n which_o when_o time_n be_v be_v little_a enough_o as_o some_o of_o we_o well_o remember_v yet_o they_o will_v not_o betray_v their_o discipline_n to_o contempt_n by_o make_v it_o indifferent_a whether_o the_o people_n render_v any_o submission_n to_o it_o or_o no._n if_o man_n have_v no_o scruple_n against_o the_o government_n practise_v who_o be_v so_o little_a a_o friend_n to_o peace_n or_o satisfy_v in_o the_o ground_n of_o his_o own_o act_n as_o to_o cast_v needless_a scruple_n before_o they_o it_o be_v time_n enough_o for_o we_o to_o manifest_v what_o we_o can_v condescend_v to_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o manner_n of_o admission_n when_o there_o be_v occasion_n offer_v for_o any_o such_o need_n which_o we_o have_v not_o ordinary_o meet_v with_o in_o those_o that_o have_v since_o tender_v themselves_o to_o the_o ordinance_n there_o be_v enough_o declare_v at_o the_o publication_n of_o the_o paper_n to_o have_v prevent_v any_o such_o construction_n as_o they_o make_v of_o it_o in_o this_o thing_n and_o therefore_o we_o can_v but_o admire_v at_o what_o we_o find_v next_o that_o our_o aim_n shall_v be_v to_o bring_v all_o sort_n to_o subject_n themselves_o to_o minister_n and_o elder_n for_o examination_n and_o that_o all_o person_n must_v come_v under_o the_o inquisition_n not_o so_o much_o to_o fit_v they_o for_o the_o sacrament_n as_o to_o teach_v they_o obedience_n that_o they_o may_v know_v themselves_o to_o be_v homines_fw-la ad_fw-la servitutem_fw-la nati_fw-la etc._n etc._n whenas_o the_o chief_a actor_n in_o the_o print_n of_o these_o paper_n can_v not_o but_o hear_v a_o solemn_a profession_n to_o the_o contrary_a at_o our_o publish_n of_o our_o paper_n as_o aforesaid_a which_o he_o can_v show_v to_o be_v contradict_v by_o any_o after_o practice_n as_o also_o when_o by_o experience_n there_o be_v several_a communicant_n in_o our_o congregation_n that_o have_v scruple_v be_v examine_v before_o the_o elder_n who_o yet_o we_o have_v not_o refuse_v but_o have_v find_v out_o expedient_n for_o their_o admission_n without_o any_o further_a trouble_n to_o they_o in_o the_o thing_n they_o have_v scruple_v the_o eldership_n consent_v that_o two_o minister_n may_v take_v a_o account_n of_o their_o knowledge_n and_o they_o after_o be_v admit_v by_o the_o eldership_n and_o of_o this_o practice_n of_o we_o both_o before_o and_o since_o upon_o occasion_n there_o be_v several_a in_o our_o congregation_n able_a and_o we_o believe_v ready_a to_o testify_v 5._o whether_o our_o paper_n publish_v for_o the_o scope_n or_o matter_n deserve_v to_o be_v call_v brutum_fw-la fulmen_fw-la or_o whether_o their_o answer_n savour_v of_o all_o or_o any_o meekness_n and_o humility_n we_o shall_v not_o here_o speak_v further_o of_o they_o best_o know_v with_o what_o frame_n of_o spirit_n they_o tender_v it_o though_o we_o can_v discern_v but_o little_a of_o such_o a_o temper_n in_o it_o for_o the_o ground_n of_o their_o dissatisfaction_n but_o in_o one_o sheet_n and_o that_o we_o put_v ourselves_o to_o the_o trouble_n of_o seven_o to_o return_v they_o a_o answer_n in_o and_o whether_o it_o be_v long_o than_o sound_n we_o leave_v the_o paper_n themselves_o to_o manifest_v of_o which_o be_v publish_v by_o they_o the_o reader_n may_v supply_v himself_o with_o a_o account_n and_o free_o make_v his_o own_o judgement_n 6._o for_o what_o ecclesiastical_a or_o civil_a sanction_n we_o have_v for_o our_o government_n we_o leave_v that_o to_o be_v judge_v by_o those_o that_o shall_v peruse_v our_o follow_a paper_n and_o that_o they_o wonder_v that_o man_n pretend_v to_o religion_n and_o learning_n etc._n etc._n so_o we_o wonder_v at_o they_o how_o they_o dare_v pretend_v to_o religion_n or_o learning_n and_o call_v they_o mens_fw-la own_o law_n the_o placita_fw-la of_o our_o own_o will_n fancy_n of_o man_n nay_o praevarication_n before_o they_o have_v better_a make_v it_o to_o appear_v that_o they_o be_v such_o that_o matter_n be_v foul_a indeed_o and_o inconsistent_a with_o religion_n and_o learning_n to_o call_v in_o the_o god_n of_o truth_n to_o abett_v our_o own_o fancy_n and_o to_o pretend_v to_o civil_a authority_n to_o second_v our_o own_o prevarication_n but_o we_o may_v return_v to_o the_o laconicke_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o to_o this_o if_o it_o be_v so_o but_o that_o be_v the_o great_a question_n but_o the_o prefator_n here_o can_v dispute_v and_o moderate_v too_o and_o very_o ingenuous_o determine_v on_o his_o own_o side_n without_o any_o respect_n at_o all_o to_o our_o argument_n for_o the_o contrary_a egg_n regiae_fw-la scilieet_a artis_fw-la est_fw-la ridere_fw-la quod_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la solvere_fw-la 7._o what_o unguided_a zeal_n or_o interest_n it_o be_v that_o shall_v precipitate_v we_o we_o no_o more_o be_v careful_a to_o clear_v ourselves_o from_o then_o to_o retort_v the_o like_a upon_o they_o in_o their_o opposition_n of_o we_o which_o we_o may_v as_o well_o do_v but_o about_o this_o danger_n of_o a_o praemunire_n we_o can_v think_v they_o cordial_a in_o their_o advice_n and_o caution_n to_o we_o because_o they_o will_v persuade_v we_o to_o return_v to_o canonical_a obedience_n and_o episcopacy_n etc._n etc._n which_o we_o know_v be_v express_o except_v against_o in_o the_o late_a law_n of_o the_o land_n and_o we_o foresee_v it_o to_o be_v a_o praemunire_n to_o meddle_v with_o they_o and_o therefore_o we_o have_v cause_n to_o judge_n that_o they_o will_v fancy_v we_o in_o a_o praemunire_n in_o the_o way_n against_o they_o not_o care_v to_o draw_v we_o into_o a_o real_a praemunire_n in_o a_o way_n with_o they_o 8._o that_o what_o we_o publish_v be_v any_o thing_n against_o the_o law_n it_o will_v speak_v for_o itself_o they_o have_v publish_v it_o to_o the_o view_n of_o the_o world_n and_o if_o without_o their_o comment_n any_o thing_n be_v just_o culpable_a by_o the_o law_n we_o be_v not_o now_o likely_a to_o be_v conceal_v 9_o but_o that_o what_o we_o publish_v shall_v be_v style_v law_n and_o canon_n and_o that_o for_o all_o man_n to_o obey_v upon_o pain_n of_o excommunication_n we_o see_v no_o reason_n for_o any_o such_o construction_n of_o our_o action_n we_o presume_v our_o conclusion_n shall_v not_o have_v be_v style_v canon_n by_o they_o unless_o thereby_o they_o intend_v to_o put_v some_o odium_fw-la upon_o they_o and_o they_o know_v who_o practice_n in_o government_n make_v that_o word_n less_o please_v among_o we_o which_o be_v well_o receive_v and_o reverence_v in_o the_o ancient_a church_n to_o set_v forth_o the_o conclusion_n of_o council_n and_o synod_n by_o 10._o they_o now_o to_o the_o end_n of_o their_o preface_n express_v their_o trouble_n at_o our_o self-contradiction_n in_o several_a thing_n as_o first_o that_o we_o shall_v cry_v out_o against_o the_o prelate_n for_o lordliness_n over_o god_n inheritance_n and_o we_o ourselves_o aspire_v at_o the_o same_o and_o much_o more_o if_o they_o find_v not_o our_o way_n more_o social_a we_o be_v sure_a they_o have_v feel_v as_o little_a of_o the_o burden_n of_o our_o finger_n if_o the_o prelate_n have_v bend_v their_o endeavour_n and_o authority_n to_o inform_v the_o gross_o ignorant_a and_o to_o reform_v the_o open_o scandalous_a it_o have_v never_o by_o we_o be_v cry_v out_o against_o for_o lordly_a tyranny_n and_o when_o we_o have_v principal_o in_o this_o cause_n so_o bend_v ourselves_o we_o wonder_v with_o what_o face_n they_o can_v fancy_v we_o prelatical_a we_o shall_v never_o have_v complain_v of_o the_o weight_n of_o their_o loin_n if_o it_o have_v be_v only_o in_o these_o case_n and_o if_o in_o these_o manifest_a entrustment_n of_o christ_n government_n viz._n for_o the_o information_n of_o the_o ignorant_a and_o reformation_n of_o the_o scandalous_a our_o finger_n be_v heavy_a than_o their_o loin_n they_o say_v more_o to_o we_o and_o less_o to_o the_o prelate_n honour_n the_o prelate_n lording_n it_o over_o the_o lord_n heritage_n we_o frequent_o declare_v wherein_o it_o be_v when_o we_o speak_v of_o it_o and_o not_o as_o they_o charge_v we_o with_o the_o same_o and_o tell_v we_o not_o for_o what_o when_o we_o enjoin_v ceremony_n bow_v at_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n cross_n in_o baptism_n wear_v the_o
of_o our_o presbyterian_a discipline_n etc._n etc._n unto_o which_o we_o say_v that_o we_o have_v constant_o profess_v against_o those_o of_o the_o separation_n that_o the_o several_a assembly_n or_o congregation_n within_o this_o land_n that_o make_v a_o profession_n of_o the_o true_a christian_a and_o apostolic_a faith_n be_v true_a church_n of_o jesus_n christ_n that_o the_o several_a member_n of_o these_o congregation_n be_v by_o their_o birth_n member_n as_o those_o that_o be_v bear_v in_o the_o jewish_a church_n be_v say_v to_o be_v by_o the_o apostle_n jew_n by_o nature_n gal._n 2._o that_o this_o their_o membership_n be_v seal_v to_o they_o in_o their_o baptism_n that_o do_v solemn_o admit_v they_o as_o into_o the_o universal_a church_n so_o into_o the_o particular_a wherein_o they_o be_v bear_v we_o have_v also_o constant_o maintain_v against_o the_o aforementioned_a person_n that_o the_o minister_n of_o these_o church_n be_v true_a minister_n notwithstanding_o that_o exception_n of_o they_o against_o they_o that_o they_o be_v ordain_v by_o bishop_n who_o also_o themselves_o be_v true_a minister_n in_o our_o judgement_n though_o we_o can_v acknowledge_v that_o by_o divine_a right_n they_o be_v superior_a to_o their_o fellow_n brethren_n either_o in_o regard_n of_o order_n or_o jurisdiction_n and_o that_o therefore_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n the_o most_o essential_a mark_n of_o a_o true_a visible_a church_n according_a to_o the_o profess_a judgement_n of_o our_o divine_n against_o the_o papist_n on_o the_o one_o hand_n and_o those_o of_o the_o separation_n on_o the_o other_o dispense_v by_o these_o vinister_n be_v and_o be_v the_o true_a ordinance_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o that_o hereupon_o our_o work_n be_v not_o when_o the_o presbyterian_a government_n be_v appoint_v to_o constitute_v church_n but_o to_o reform_v they_o only_o and_o that_o therefore_o none_o within_o our_o bound_n except_o they_o shall_v renounce_v christianity_n and_o their_o baptism_n can_v be_v deem_v by_o we_o to_o be_v without_o in_o the_o apostle_n sense_n and_o so_o therefore_o not_o within_o the_o compass_n and_o verge_n of_o our_o presbyterian_a government_n neither_o be_v it_o their_o not_o associate_a with_o we_o in_o regard_n of_o government_n that_o do_v exempt_v they_o from_o censure_n by_o it_o if_o they_o shall_v be_v such_o offender_n as_o by_o the_o rule_v thereof_o be_v just_o censurable_a it_o not_o be_v a_o matter_n arbitrary_a for_o private_a person_n at_o their_o own_o will_n and_o pleasure_n to_o exempt_v themselves_o from_o under_o that_o ecclesiastical_a government_n that_o be_v settle_v by_o authority_n and_o as_o you_o know_v it_o will_v not_o have_v be_v allow_v of_o under_o the_o former_a government_n 2_o and_o therefore_o whether_o you_o and_o all_o other_o within_o our_o bound_n be_v not_o comprehend_v within_o our_o government_n according_a to_o the_o rule_v lay_v down_o in_o the_o ordinance_n of_o parliament_n above_o mention_v appoint_v the_o form_n of_o church_n government_n to_o be_v use_v in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o ireland_n and_o therein_o ordain_v as_o have_v be_v recite_v before_o in_o the_o first_o page_n thereof_o and_o to_o which_o we_o refer_v you_o especial_o consider_v that_o all_o within_o the_o bound_n of_o our_o several_a parish_n that_o be_v no_o other_o now_o then_o former_o even_o papist_n and_o anabaptist_n and_o other_o sectary_n be_v under_o the_o late_a prelatical_a government_n we_o leave_v it_o to_o you_o to_o judge_v only_o if_o so_o we_o wish_v you_o to_o consider_v that_o then_o you_o be_v bring_v under_o the_o government_n of_o presbytery_n not_o so_o much_o by_o we_o as_o by_o the_o parliament_n appoint_v this_o government_n and_o then_o we_o think_v you_o who_o warn_v we_o not_o to_o contemn_v civil_a power_n may_v well_o out_o of_o respect_n to_o the_o authority_n ordain_v it_o but_o especial_o consider_v the_o word_n presbytery_n be_v a_o know_a scripture_n expression_n 1_o tim._n 4_o and_o interpret_v by_o sundry_a of_o the_o father_n as_o we_o do_v as_o have_v be_v declare_v before_o have_v use_v a_o more_o civil_a expression_n then_o to_o have_v call_v it_o a_o common_a fold_n into_o which_o it_o shall_v seem_v your_o complain_v it_o that_o you_o shall_v be_v drive_v although_o presbytery_n lay_v restraint_n on_o none_o but_o such_o as_o be_v scandalous_a in_o their_o life_n and_o so_o contemn_v the_o law_n of_o god_n be_v therefore_o true_o and_o indeed_o the_o lawless_a person_n that_o we_o speak_v of_o but_o whereas_o as_o you_o suppose_v this_o be_v our_o chief_a design_n in_o this_o as_o in_o other_o transaction_n of_o we_o to_o subject_v all_o to_o our_o government_n we_o do_v refer_v ourselves_o to_o our_o course_n of_o life_n past_a and_o hope_v it_o will_v witness_v with_o we_o to_o all_o that_o will_v judge_v impartial_o what_o our_o design_n have_v be_v in_o our_o other_o transaction_n and_o as_o touch_v our_o design_n in_o the_o paper_n publish_v whether_o it_o have_v be_v aught_o but_o the_o information_n of_o the_o ignorant_a and_o reformation_n of_o the_o scandalous_a to_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o their_o salvation_n we_o leave_v it_o to_o be_v judge_v by_o those_o that_o will_v judge_v of_o man_n intention_n by_o what_o be_v express_v in_o their_o word_n and_o action_n we_o know_v very_o well_o we_o be_v charge_v by_o some_o that_o we_o affect_v dominion_n to_o lord_n it_o over_o the_o people_n and_o to_o have_v all_o sort_n of_o person_n of_o what_o rank_n soever_o to_o stoop_v to_o we_o but_o we_o do_v open_o profess_v that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n that_o be_v commit_v unto_o man_n be_v not_o despotical_a but_o ministerial_a that_o it_o be_v no_o dominion_n but_o a_o ministry_n only_o and_o that_o the_o officer_n that_o be_v entrust_v with_o it_o be_v themselves_o to_o be_v subject_n both_o in_o regard_n of_o their_o body_n and_o estate_n to_o the_o civil_a power_n that_o by_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n they_o be_v appoint_v to_o be_v under_o and_o that_o in_o their_o government_n they_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o the_o body_n and_o estate_n of_o any_o person_n but_o with_o their_o soul_n only_o although_o here_o we_o desire_v to_o inquire_v of_o you_o whether_o if_o you_o be_v indeed_o for_o the_o settle_n of_o any_o government_n at_o all_o in_o the_o church_n as_o you_o profess_v to_o be_v you_o do_v not_o think_v that_o all_o shall_v be_v subject_a to_o it_o we_o can_v judge_v you_o to_o be_v so_o irrational_a as_o to_o be_v for_o a_o government_n and_o that_o yet_o subjection_n to_o it_o must_v be_v deny_v and_o if_o the_o late_a government_n of_o the_o prelacy_n be_v not_o blame_v by_o you_o because_o it_o require_v subjection_n to_o it_o we_o wish_v you_o to_o consider_v whether_o upon_o this_o account_n you_o have_v reason_n to_o censure_v we_o but_o further_a whereas_o you_o tell_v we_o that_o we_o garnish_n over_o our_o government_n with_o the_o specious_a title_n of_o christ_n government_n throne_n and_o sceptre_n we_o wish_v you_o to_o consider_v what_o in_o your_o answer_n to_o a_o objection_n that_o you_o frame_v out_o of_o our_o paper_n yourselves_o do_v say_v you_o there_o tell_v we_o you_o pray_v for_o the_o establishment_n of_o such_o church_n government_n as_o be_v consonant_n to_o the_o will_n of_o god_n and_o universal_a practice_n of_o primitive_a church_n that_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n may_v be_v exercise_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o they_o to_o who_o it_o be_v commit_v by_o christ_n and_o leave_v by_o he_o to_o be_v transfer_v from_o hand_n to_o hand_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n the_o expression_n you_o here_o use_v be_v as_o high_a touch_v that_o government_n you_o will_v have_v establish_v as_o any_o have_v be_v that_o ever_o we_o have_v use_v of_o we_o for_o your_o prayer_n be_v that_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n may_v be_v exercise_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o they_o to_o who_o it_o be_v commit_v by_o christ_n and_o leave_v by_o he_o to_o be_v transfer_v from_o hand_n to_o hand_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n the_o government_n then_o that_o you_o be_v for_o must_v be_v with_o you_o christ_n government_n throne_n and_o sceptre_n and_o why_o do_v you_o then_o condemn_v we_o if_o we_o have_v use_v such_o expression_n concern_v our_o government_n till_o you_o have_v convince_v we_o that_o it_o be_v not_o such_o when_o yet_o you_o take_v to_o yourselves_o the_o liberty_n to_o use_v the_o like_a language_n concern_v the_o government_n you_o pray_v may_v be_v establish_v but_o where_o as_o you_o say_v presbytery_n be_v the_o main_a thing_n drive_v at_o here_o and_o that_o however_o she_o come_v usher_v in_o with_o a_o godly_a pretence_n of_o sorrow_n for_o the_o sin_n and_o the_o ignorance_n of_o the_o time_n and_o the_o duty_n incumbent_a upon_o we_o
we_o believe_v any_o indifferent_a reader_n will_v discern_v be_v distinct_a thing_n as_o the_o parliament_n also_o in_o pass_v they_o distinguish_v they_o and_o therefore_o you_o shall_v not_o have_v deal_v so_o disingenious_o with_o we_o as_o to_o have_v account_v the_o discourse_n impertinent_a which_o be_v necessary_a for_o your_o information_n if_o you_o be_v ignorant_a if_o you_o know_v these_o order_n and_o ordinance_n will_v yet_o have_v this_o discourse_n impertinent_a notwithstanding_o your_o jerk_v we_o for_o call_v ourselves_o the_o first_o classis_fw-la within_o the_o province_n of_o lancaster_n which_o term_n we_o tell_v you_o we_o give_v not_o to_o ourselves_o till_o the_o parliament_n have_v first_o give_v they_o we_o we_o leave_v it_o to_o the_o reader_n what_o to_o judge_v of_o it_o nine_o here_o be_v also_o another_o strange_a assertion_n when_o you_o say_v it_o be_v no_o question_n of_o you_o whether_o our_o government_n be_v establish_v by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n when_o as_o in_o your_o first_o paper_n in_o the_o word_n thereof_o recite_v even_o now_o you_o tell_v we_o of_o our_o make_a law_n and_o edict_n and_o publish_v they_o contrary_a to_o the_o law_n in_o force_n and_o question_v whether_o we_o have_v not_o run_v ourselves_o into_o a_o praemunire_n doubtless_o if_o our_o government_n be_v establish_v by_o ordinance_n of_o parliament_n and_o that_o ordinance_n awarrant_v we_o for_o whatever_o be_v publish_v by_o we_o in_o the_o paper_n and_o yet_o that_o be_v assert_v by_o you_o to_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o law_n in_o force_n it_o must_v needs_o be_v a_o question_n of_o you_o whether_o our_o government_n be_v establish_v by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n as_o it_o be_v that_o which_o afterward_o you_o go_v about_o to_o prove_v that_o it_o want_v the_o establishment_n of_o authority_n and_o so_o however_o you_o dare_v not_o tell_v the_o justice_n of_o the_o peace_n that_o have_v act_v on_o other_o ordinance_n of_o parliament_n that_o yet_o be_v also_o null_a and_o void_a if_o that_o we_o have_v act_v on_o be_v that_o they_o be_v not_o thereby_o sufficient_o secure_v against_o the_o danger_n of_o a_o praemunire_n yet_o you_o dare_v tell_v we_o of_o this_o once_o and_o again_o and_o yet_o also_o it_o be_v no_o question_n of_o you_o whether_o our_o church-government_n be_v establish_v by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n but_o how_o contradictory_n these_o thing_n be_v one_o unto_o another_o we_o leave_v it_o to_o be_v judge_v of_o as_o touch_v our_o start_v more_o doubt_n than_o as_o you_o say_v we_o can_v assoyl_v we_o shall_v have_v leisure_n hereafter_o to_o examine_v in_o the_o place_n where_o you_o have_v a_o mind_n to_o encounter_v we_o and_o now_o shall_v follow_v you_o in_o the_o way_n you_o have_v choose_v to_o go_v in_o and_o so_o we_o come_v unto_o the_o next_o the_o gentleman_n paper_n sect._n ii_o to_o that_o mistake_v you_o charge_v we_o withal_o in_o the_o preface_n of_o our_o paper_n concern_v the_o title_n of_o you_o we_o answer_v we_o find_v in_o the_o close_a of_o that_o your_o â—aper_n these_o word_n this_o presentation_n be_v approve_v by_o this_o provincial_a assembly_n tho._n johnson_n moderator_n edw._n gee_o scribe_n so_o it_o be_v approve_v by_o the_o provincial_a assembly_n under_o that_o title_n of_o a_o presentation_n as_o we_o call_v it_o cop_z in_o all_o the_o copy_n we_o have_v see_v but_o this_o as_o you_o say_v may_v be_v the_o mistake_n of_o your_o scribe_n and_o not_o to_o be_v insist_v on_o it_o be_v of_o great_a weight_n and_o moment_n you_o say_v to_o take_v notice_n of_o what_o we_o publish_v as_o our_o sense_n scribe_n and_o apprehension_n of_o it_o viz._n the_o matter_n contain_v in_o your_o paper_n not_o rest_v in_o the_o judgement_n or_o determination_n of_o any_o general_a council_n contrary_a thereto_o if_o any_o such_o shall_v be_v much_o less_o to_o one_o of_o your_o provincial_a assembly_n etc._n etc._n and_o here_o you_o tell_v we_o of_o a_o public_a and_o authoritative_a judgement_n that_o be_v in_o council_n concern_v matter_n of_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n though_o tie_v to_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n word_n in_o such_o proceed_n as_o judge_n to_o the_o law_n to_o which_o we_o ought_v to_o be_v subject_a and_o how_o far_o be_v that_o viz._n they_o have_v the_o power_n of_o expound_v and_o explain_v the_o difficult_a place_n of_o scripture_n as_o the_o judge_n have_v of_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o law_n and_o in_o this_o sense_n we_o ought_v to_o subject_a to_o the_o sense_n and_o determination_n of_o a_o general_a council_n and_o therefore_o you_o say_v questionless_a if_o in_o the_o time_n of_o s._n augustine_n who_o be_v no_o conâ—emner_n of_o synod_n and_o council_n any_o in_o this_o sense_n have_v declare_v that_o they_o will_v not_o have_v submit_v their_o apprehension_n to_o their_o judgement_n he_o will_v have_v cry_v out_o against_o they_o as_o well_o as_o against_o the_o donatist_n o_o impudentem_fw-la vocem_fw-la and_o you_o hope_v when_o we_o have_v weigh_v the_o matter_n better_o we_o will_v not_o in_o this_o sense_n see_v any_o reason_n to_o refuse_v to_o submit_v either_o our_o sense_n and_o apprehension_n of_o your_o paper_n or_o what_o we_o may_v publish_v as_o our_o own_o private_a judgement_n in_o other_o matter_n about_o religion_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o general_a council_n suppose_v it_o may_v be_v have_v god_n forbid_v but_o we_o shall_v submit_v neither_o need_v we_o for_o this_o to_o weigh_v the_o matter_n better_o for_o in_o this_o sense_n we_o have_v do_v and_o yet_o shall_v submit_v to_o any_o shall_v come_v hereafter_o neither_o have_v you_o any_o reason_n so_o to_o judge_v yourselves_o or_o induce_v other_o to_o that_o persuasion_n of_o we_o that_o we_o shall_v in_o this_o sense_n refuse_v to_o submit_v our_o judgement_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o any_o general_a council_n our_o word_n be_v plain_a we_o publish_v this_o our_o sense_n and_o apprehension_n of_o it_o as_o far_o as_o it_o be_v plain_a to_o we_o which_o word_n you_o omit_v deal_v not_o fair_o with_o we_o and_o which_o word_n carry_v another_o sense_n with_o they_o for_o so_o far_o as_o the_o matter_n contain_v in_o your_o paper_n be_v plain_a to_o we_o we_o close_v and_o join_v with_o you_o be_v as_o we_o explain_v ourselves_o afterward_o so_o full_o warrant_v thereto_o by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o constant_a practice_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n that_o therein_o so_o far_o as_o it_o be_v make_v thus_o plain_a unto_o we_o we_o shall_v not_o submit_v our_o apprehension_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o general_a council_n but_o by_o this_o aposiopesis_fw-la of_o you_o you_o will_v make_v the_o world_n believe_v we_o refuse_v to_o submit_v our_o judgement_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o general_a council_n not_o only_o touch_v matter_n of_o faith_n and_o such_o article_n of_o religion_n which_o be_v plain_o warrant_v by_o god_n word_n and_o constant_a practice_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n but_o also_o touch_v matter_n which_o be_v not_o so_o plain_o set_v forth_o in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n touch_v which_o last_o we_o prosess_v our_o willing_a submission_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o general_a council_n and_o be_v glad_a to_o hear_v you_o of_o the_o same_o mind_n though_o we_o fear_v as_o we_o shall_v hear_v you_o declare_v anon_o you_o will_v hardly_o grant_v that_o to_o a_o general_a council_n which_o you_o seem_v to_o grant_v to_o your_o provincial_n in_o which_o we_o dissent_v from_o you_o as_o we_o have_v say_v the_o animadversion_n of_o the_o class_n upon_o it_o first_o we_o perceive_v you_o be_v resolve_v to_o stick_v to_o what_o you_o have_v once_o say_v though_o it_o be_v only_o the_o take_a advantage_n of_o some_o literal_a mistake_n and_o which_o in_o our_o answer_n we_o have_v tell_v you_o be_v none_o of_o we_o when_o you_o call_v our_o paper_n by_o the_o title_n of_o a_o presentation_n but_o impute_v it_o to_o the_o scribe_n speak_v indefinite_o which_o may_v be_v you_o as_o well_o as_o we_o though_o in_o your_o print_a copy_n you_o will_v have_v we_o to_o say_v what_o we_o do_v not_o that_o it_o be_v the_o mistake_n of_o our_o scribe_n and_o however_o you_o say_v now_o that_o in_o all_o the_o copy_n which_o you_o have_v see_v which_o imply_v many_o you_o find_v in_o the_o close_a of_o that_o our_o paper_n these_o word_n this_o presentation_n be_v approve_v by_o this_o provincial_a assembly_n thomas_n johnson_n moderator_n edward_n gee_o scribe_n yet_o we_o believe_v that_o if_o you_o be_v put_v upon_o the_o proof_n it_o will_v be_v hard_a for_o you_o to_o produce_v one_o copy_n that_o be_v give_v forth_o by_o the_o class_n and_o write_v by_o our_o scribe_n where_o you_o find_v our_o paper_n approve_v by_o the_o provincial_a
assembly_n under_o the_o title_n of_o a_o presentation_n but_o of_o a_o representation_n only_o as_o we_o say_v in_o our_o answer_n but_o as_o in_o the_o preface_n to_o these_o paper_n that_o you_o print_v you_o insinuate_v that_o we_o be_v man_n of_o low_a and_o cheap_a ability_n and_o in_o this_o paper_n do_v afterward_o jeer_v and_o scoff_n at_o we_o as_o person_n destitute_a of_o all_o learning_n as_o if_o you_o will_v monopolise_v as_o all_o power_n and_o jurisdiction_n so_o all_o learning_n and_o make_v the_o same_o proper_a to_o yourselves_o and_o your_o own_o party_n though_o we_o hope_v we_o have_v so_o much_o as_o to_o fathom_v the_o depth_n of_o that_o which_o you_o will_v make_v some_o show_n of_o so_o here_o we_o have_v cause_n to_o fear_v you_o have_v a_o mind_n to_o represent_v we_o and_o which_o be_v worse_o the_o provincial_a assembly_n too_o and_o those_o reverend_a and_o learned_a brethren_n the_o moderator_n and_o scribe_n of_o it_o also_o to_o be_v such_o poor_a illiterate_a person_n as_o do_v not_o well_o know_v how_o how_o too_o write_v good_a english_a second_o in_o your_o represent_v what_o we_o say_v touch_v submit_v to_o synod_n and_o council_n you_o do_v it_o but_o by_o the_o half_n and_o so_o deal_v unfaithful_o never_o so_o much_o as_o mention_v what_o we_o have_v in_o our_o answer_n in_o the_o first_o place_n declare_v viz._n that_o our_o faith_n be_v not_o to_o be_v resolve_v into_o the_o determination_n of_o any_o company_n of_o man_n on_o earth_n whatsoever_o or_o to_o be_v build_v on_o the_o judgement_n of_o synod_n and_o council_n etc._n etc._n for_o which_o we_o give_v our_o reason_n and_o further_o we_o there_o say_v that_o when_o you_o have_v say_v in_o your_o first_o paper_n that_o as_o touch_v what_o you_o therein_o declare_v as_o your_o sense_n and_o apprehension_n of_o we_o that_o we_o publish_v you_o do_v not_o rest_n in_o the_o judgement_n and_o determination_n of_o any_o general_a council_n contrary_a thereunto_o if_o your_o meaning_n therein_o be_v the_o same_o with_o what_o we_o have_v declare_v we_o to_o be_v you_o have_v not_o we_o differ_v from_o you_o after_o we_o come_v to_o declare_v in_o what_o respect_v they_o be_v to_o be_v reverence_v viz._n as_o they_o be_v the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n and_o in_o respect_n of_o their_o authoritative_a judgement_n and_o that_o in_o that_o respect_n they_o be_v to_o be_v submit_v to_o in_o which_o respect_n we_o say_v we_o submit_v our_o apprehension_n in_o the_o case_n propound_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o provincial_a assembly_n but_o to_o make_v this_o more_o plain_a we_o proceed_v to_o distinguish_v betwixt_o a_o private_a and_o public_a judgement_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n allow_v the_o private_a to_o ourselves_o and_o other_o who_o we_o say_v be_v all_o of_o we_o to_o see_v with_o our_o own_o eye_n and_o judge_v concern_v what_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v in_o matter_n of_o this_o nature_n again_o we_o distinguish_v the_o public_a and_o authoritative_a judgement_n into_o a_o concional_a which_o belong_v we_o say_v to_o every_o minister_n to_o who_o the_o key_n of_o doctrine_n be_v commit_v by_o himself_o single_o and_o juridical_a which_o we_o say_v belong_v to_o synod_n and_o council_n who_o have_v the_o key_n of_o discipline_n commit_v to_o they_o be_v to_o inquire_v into_o try_v examine_v censure_n and_o judge_v of_o matter_n of_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n authoritative_o though_o tie_v to_o the_o word_n in_o such_o proceed_n and_o likewise_o to_o censure_v offender_n and_o then_o we_o apply_v this_o to_o our_o purpose_n and_o say_v that_o it_o be_v in_o this_o sense_n that_o we_o submit_v our_o apprehension_n in_o the_o paper_n we_o publish_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o provincial_a assembly_n and_o for_o which_o we_o urge_v our_o ground_n all_o which_o will_v be_v clear_a to_o the_o reader_n upon_o the_o perusal_n of_o the_o second_o section_n of_o our_o answer_n but_o you_o only_o mention_v this_o last_o branch_n and_o say_v we_o tell_v you_o of_o a_o authoritative_a judgement_n of_o synod_n and_o council_n and_o how_o we_o hope_v when_o you_o have_v weigb_v the_o matter_n better_o you_o will_v not_o in_o this_o respect_n see_v cause_n to_o submit_v what_o you_o may_v publish_v as_o your_o own_o private_a judgement_n about_o matter_n of_o religion_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o general_a council_n suppose_v it_o may_v be_v have_v but_o see_v towards_o the_o close_a of_o this_o section_n you_o profess_v you_o be_v glad_a to_o hear_v we_o of_o the_o same_o mind_n with_o you_o touch_v this_o submission_n to_o synod_n and_o council_n you_o shall_v not_o thus_o maimedly_n have_v represent_v out_o opinion_n consider_v how_o vast_o different_a we_o and_o you_o be_v in_o this_o matter_n as_o will_v appear_v from_o what_o have_v be_v declare_v to_o be_v we_o and_o what_o you_o declare_v to_o be_v you_o in_o this_o section_n and_o which_o we_o shall_v manifest_v anon_o to_o the_o reader_n three_o you_o seem_v here_o to_o abhor_v the_o refusal_n to_o submit_v what_o you_o have_v publish_v or_o may_v publish_v as_o your_o own_o private_a judgement_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o general_a council_n that_o have_v be_v or_o any_o that_o may_v be_v hereafter_o and_o do_v complain_v that_o we_o shall_v either_o ourselves_o judge_v or_o induce_v other_o to_o the_o persuasion_n of_o you_o that_o you_o shall_v refuse_v to_o submit_v your_o judgement_n in_o the_o sense_n declare_v but_o here_o we_o must_v mind_v you_o that_o the_o sense_n we_o declare_v be_v that_o there_o be_v to_o be_v a_o submission_n to_o they_o in_o regard_n of_o their_o juridical_a authority_n not_o that_o faith_n be_v to_o be_v build_v on_o their_o judgement_n and_o in_o this_o latter_a you_o will_v be_v find_v to_o submit_v too_o much_o as_o if_o they_o shall_v determine_v against_o you_o we_o fear_v in_o the_o former_a you_o will_v be_v find_v to_o submit_v too_o little_a we_o shall_v give_v the_o reader_n our_o reason_n for_o both_o that_o we_o may_v not_o seem_v to_o wrong_v you_o in_o fasten_v upon_o you_o without_o ground_n what_o perhaps_o as_o we_o have_v express_v the_o matter_n you_o may_v be_v ready_a to_o disclaim_v for_o the_o first_o you_o do_v in_o this_o very_a section_n profess_v as_o touch_v matter_n which_o be_v not_o so_o plain_o set_v forth_o in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n your_o willing_a submission_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o general_a council_n and_o hereafter_o in_o the_o six_o section_n of_o this_o paper_n you_o say_v where_o there_o be_v a_o doubt_n or_o difficulty_n the_o church_n may_v expound_v the_o scripture_n although_o you_o grant_v what_o we_o say_v soil_n that_o it_o be_v tie_v to_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n word_n in_o such_o proceed_n as_o judge_n to_o the_o law_n though_o we_o do_v not_o see_v it_o be_v lawful_a for_o any_o private_a person_n to_o examine_v whether_o in_o case_n of_o such_o a_o doubt_n or_o difficulty_n the_o church_n have_v give_v the_o right_a sense_n of_o scripture_n but_o must_v notwithstanding_o any_o ground_n they_o may_v have_v from_o that_o text_n which_o the_o church_n may_v expound_v or_o other_o text_n of_o scripture_n to_o the_o contrary_a submit_v their_o faith_n and_o belief_n in_o the_o case_n to_o the_o church_n determination_n for_o you_o there_o add_v and_o say_v we_o be_v bâ—und_v up_o by_o that_o speak_v of_o the_o church_n exposition_n as_o you_o say_v we_o be_v to_o those_o case_n in_o the_o law_n which_o be_v the_o judgement_n and_o exposition_n of_o the_o judge_n upon_o the_o dark_a place_n of_o the_o same_o the_o church_n exposition_n and_o practice_n as_o you_o there_o further_o say_v be_v our_o rule_n in_o such_o case_n and_o the_o best_a rule_n too_o and_o when_o there_o be_v a_o difference_n about_o interpretation_n of_o scripture_n it_o be_v to_o give_v way_n to_o private_a interpretation_n and_o dominari_fw-la fidei_fw-la to_o lord_n it_o over_o the_o faith_n of_o other_o to_o utter_v any_o other_o sense_n of_o scripture_n which_o you_o there_o call_v the_o utter_n of_o man_n own_o fancy_n then_o have_v be_v deliver_v by_o our_o forefather_n as_o you_o do_v more_o full_o declare_v yourselves_o in_o that_o place_n from_o all_o which_o it_o follow_v that_o however_o in_o this_o section_n you_o say_v in_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o such_o article_n as_o be_v plain_o warrant_v by_o god_n word_n and_o constant_a practice_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n you_o refuse_v to_o submit_v your_o judgement_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o general_a council_n yet_o in_o matter_n of_o religion_n that_o be_v not_o so_o plain_o set_v forth_o you_o do_v and_o to_o the_o church_n exposition_n where_o there_o be_v a_o doubt_n and_o difficulty_n which_o be_v your_o rule_n
scripture_n and_o that_o the_o word_n of_o god_n alone_o shall_v determine_v this_o controversy_n etc._n etc._n who_o can_v forbear_v laughter_n to_o see_v scripturist_n under_o the_o gospel_n as_o these_o under_o the_o law_n templum_fw-la domini_fw-la templum_fw-la domini_fw-la cry_v verbum_fw-la domini_fw-la verbum_fw-la domivi_fw-la nothing_o but_o scripture_n the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v there_o the_o only_a rule_n of_o faith_n and_o manner_n take_v to_o your_o bibles_n then_o and_o burn_v all_o other_o book_n as_o the_o anabaptist_n of_o old_a do_v who_o when_o they_o and_o their_o bibles_n be_v leave_v together_o what_o strange_a and_o fantastical_a opinion_n soever_o come_v into_o their_o brain_n their_o usual_a manner_n be_v to_o say_v the_o spirit_n teach_v it_o they_o as_o mr_n hooker_n in_o his_o preface_n to_o his_o eccles_n pol._n the_o determination_n of_o council_n and_o father_n and_o the_o church_n universal_a practice_n for_o matter_n of_o church_n government_n must_v all_o be_v abandon_v and_o then_o to_o that_o old_a question_n of_o the_o papist_n where_o be_v your_o church_n before_o lutber_n or_o that_o of_o we_o to_o you_o where_o be_v your_o church_n before_o calvin_n just_o like_o the_o argue_n of_o the_o samaritan_n with_o the_o jeâ—â—s_n about_o the_o antiquity_n of_o their_o church_n on_o mount_n gerizim_n record_v by_o joseplus_n per_fw-la saltum_fw-la by_o a_o high_a jump_n over_o all_o the_o universal_a practice_n and_o succession_n of_o the_o church_n you_o can_v make_v your_o church_n and_o church_n government_n as_o ancient_a as_o you_o list_v by_o say_v it_o be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o scripture_n refer_v it_o to_o christ_n and_o the_o apostle_n nay_o high_o yet_o if_o you_o please_v to_o the_o jewish_a sanhedrim_n 1500._o year_n at_o least_o before_o christ_n mr_n henderson_n will_n assist_v you_o much_o in_o thâ—s_n who_o in_o his_o dispute_n with_o his_o majesty_n aver_v that_o presbyterian_a government_n be_v never_o practise_v before_o calvin_n time_n reply_v your_o majesty_n know_v the_o cammon_n objection_n of_o the_o papist_n against_o the_o reform_a church_n where_o be_v your_o church_n your_o reformation_n your_o doctrine_n before_o luther_n time_n one_o part_n of_o the_o common_a answer_n be_v it_o be_v to_o be_v sound_a in_o the_o scripture_n the_o same_o i_o affirm_v of_o presbyterian_a government_n thus_o he_o make_v you_o such_o defence_n in_o behalf_n of_o your_o church_n but_o thanks_o be_v to_o god_n the_o protestant_a cause_n have_v not_o do_v not_o nor_o we_o hope_v will_v ever_o want_v far_o able_a disputant_n and_o champion_n in_o her_o defence_n against_o her_o adversary_n than_o he_o or_o you_o be_v for_o though_o we_o grant_v and_o shall_v ever_o pay_v that_o reverence_n to_o the_o sacred_a scripture_n that_o it_o be_v a_o unsallible_a unerring_a rule_n yet_o may_v we_o not_o 8._o cry_v up_o scripture_n to_o the_o contempt_n and_o neglect_n of_o the_o church_n which_o the_o scripture_n itself_o teach_v man_n both_o to_o honour_n and_o obey_v we_o will_v endeavour_v therefore_o to_o give_v either_o their_o due_a according_a to_o christ_n institution_n that_o the_o scripture_n where_o it_o be_v plain_a shall_v guide_v the_o church_n and_o the_o church_n where_o there_o be_v doubt_n or_o difficulty_n shall_v expound_v the_o scripture_n as_o say_v a_o bishop_n and_o you_o yourselves_o may_v remember_v what_o you_o affirm_v of_o general_a council_n usher_n the_o church_n representative_a nay_o more_o of_o your_o provincial_a assembly_n even_o in_o your_o answer_n to_o that_o you_o call_v the_o preface_n to_o our_o paper_n that_o there_o be_v in_o they_o invest_v a_o authoritative_a juridical_a power_n to_o who_o authority_n you_o profess_v yourselves_o to_o be_v subject_n and_o to_o which_o all_o aught_o to_o submit_v allege_v 1_o cor._n 14._o 32._o matth._n 18._o and_o act_n 15._o for_o proof_n hereof_o to_o inquire_v into_o try_v examine_v censure_n and_o judge_v of_o matter_n of_o doctrine_n as_o well_o as_o of_o discipline_n and_o tax_v we_o as_o if_o we_o refuse_v to_o submit_v in_o such_o matter_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o general_n council_n though_o here_o you_o retract_v and_o eat_v your_o own_o word_n cast_v it_o out_o as_o unsound_a and_o hetrodox_n what_o be_v before_o a_o christian_n duty_n to_o practice_v you_o still_o own_o subjection_n in_o matter_n of_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n to_o the_o judgement_n and_o determination_n of_o your_o provincial_a assembly_n though_o you_o deny_v the_o authority_n of_o general_n council_n and_o the_o catholic_a church_n that_o those_o shall_v be_v our_o guide_n and_o rule_v and_o comment_n upon_o the_o word_n of_o god_n to_o tell_v we_o what_o be_v his_o will_n reveal_v there_o touch_v church_n government_n and_o discipline_n say_v we_o not_o true_o that_o you_o seem_v to_o submit_v to_o your_o provincial_n what_o you_o will_v hardly_o grant_v to_o a_o general_n council_n but_o the_o church_n as_o we_o have_v say_v where_o there_o be_v doubt_n or_o difficulty_n may_v expound_v the_o scripture_n though_o it_o be_v tie_v as_o you_o have_v say_v to_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n word_n in_o such_o proceed_n as_o judge_n to_o the_o law_n and_o we_o be_v conclude_v and_o bind_v up_o by_o that_o as_o we_o be_v to_o those_o case_n in_o the_o law_n which_o be_v the_o judgement_n and_o exposition_n of_o the_o judge_n upon_o the_o dark_a place_n of_o the_o same_o the_o church_n exposition_n and_o practice_n be_v our_o rule_n in_o such_o case_n and_o the_o best_a rule_n too_o as_o our_o late_a king_n affirm_v viz._n where_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o so_o clear_a and_o punctual_a in_o precept_n there_o the_o constant_a and_o universal_a practice_n of_o 20._o the_o church_n in_o thing_n not_o contrary_a to_o reason_n faith_n good_a manner_n or_o any_o positive_a command_n be_v the_o best_a rule_n that_o christian_n can_v follow_v so_o when_o there_o be_v a_o difference_n about_o interpretation_n of_o scripture_n that_o we_o may_v not_o seem_v to_o abound_v in_o our_o own_o sense_n or_o give_v way_n to_o private_a interpretation_n dominari_fw-la fidei_fw-la to_o lord_n it_o over_o the_o faith_n of_o other_o we_o be_v not_o to_o utter_v our_o own_o fancy_n or_o desire_n to_o be_v believe_v upon_o our_o bare_a word_n but_o to_o deliver_v that_o sense_n which_o have_v be_v a_o foretime_o give_v by_o our_o forefather_n and_o forerunner_n in_o the_o christian_n say_v and_o so_o we_o necessary_o make_v another_o judge_n and_o rule_v for_o interpretation_n of_o scripture_n or_o else_o we_o prove_v nothing_o thus_o have_v the_o best_a and_o able_a defender_n of_o our_o protestant_a religion_n defend_v it_o against_o the_o papist_n out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n too_o but_o not_o according_a to_o their_o own_o but_o the_o sense_n which_o the_o father_n unanimous_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o council_n give_v see_v mr_n philpot_n that_o glorious_a martyr_n in_o queen_n mary_n day_n to_o the_o like_a question_n propound_v viz._n how_o long_o have_v your_o church_n stand_v answer_v from_o the_o beginning_n from_o christ_n from_o the_o apostle_n and_o their_o immediate_a successor_n and_o for_o proof_n thereof_o desire_v no_o better_a rule_n than_o what_o the_o papist_n many_a time_n bring_v in_o on_o their_o side_n to_o wit_n antiquity_n universality_n and_o unity_n and_o calvin_n acknowledge_v as_o in_o our_o last_o paper_n we_o show_v you_o there_o can_v be_v no_o better_o nor_o sure_a remedy_n for_o interpretation_n of_o scripture_n than_o what_o the_o father_n in_o the_o primitive_a church_n give_v especial_o in_o the_o first_o four_o general_n council_n of_o nice_a constantinople_n ephesus_n and_o chalcedon_n which_o contain_v nothing_o say_v he_o but_o the_o pure_a and_o genuine_a interpretation_n of_o scripture_n and_o which_o he_o profess_v to_o embrace_v and_o reverence_n as_o hallow_v and_o inviolable_a so_o they_o rest_v not_o in_o private_a interpretation_n but_o willing_o submit_v to_o a_o judge_n and_o rule_v beside_o the_o scripture_n even_o such_o as_o the_o papist_n themselves_o can_v except_v against_o viz._n the_o primitive_a church_n practice_v and_o universal_a and_o unanimous_a consent_n of_o father_n and_o general_a council_n by_o these_o our_o church_n be_v content_a to_o be_v try_v and_o to_o this_o rule_n we_o bring_v the_o church_n government_n to_o be_v try_v thereby_o and_o on_o this_o score_n your_o presbytery_n be_v quite_o our_o of_o door_n be_v of_o example_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n and_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n whole_o destitute_a â—_o wherein_o as_o the_o king_n have_v it_o the_o whole_a stream_n run_v so_o for_o episcopacy_n that_o that_o there_o be_v not_o the_o least_o rivulet_n for_o any_o other_o which_o you_o be_v sensible_a of_o have_v no_o way_n to_o evade_v this_o rule_n but_o una_fw-la liturâ_fw-la to_o blot_v out_o all_o record_n and_o monument_n
here_o urge_v but_o we_o judge_v these_o sufficient_a and_o so_o have_v dispatch_v what_o we_o promise_v we_o shall_v now_o proceed_v 3._o for_o you_o have_v not_o urge_v argument_n against_o the_o rule_n by_o we_o propound_v for_o the_o determine_a controversy_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n but_o only_o vent_v against_o we_o the_o distemper_n of_o your_o spirit_n for_o that_o proposal_n do_v now_o further_o declare_v yourselves_o touch_v what_o you_o will_v have_v to_o be_v the_o judge_n and_o rule_v for_o interpretation_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o do_v add_v unto_o the_o universal_a practise_n of_o the_o church_n mention_v in_o your_o first_o paper_n the_o church_n exposition_n mean_v the_o exposition_n of_o council_n and_o unanimous_a consent_n of_o father_n as_o you_o here_o declare_v yourselves_o concern_v which_o we_o shall_v 1._o propound_v the_o true_a state_n of_o the_o question_n betwixt_o you_o and_o we_o 2._o and_o then_o urge_v some_o argument_n against_o the_o rule_n by_o you_o here_o make_v 3._o and_o last_o we_o shall_v answer_v what_o you_o have_v here_o to_o say_v for_o your_o opinion_n as_o touch_v the_o first_o we_o do_v here_o declare_v ourselves_o that_o we_o do_v ready_o grant_v the_o church_n may_v expound_v the_o scripture_n though_o as_o we_o say_v in_o our_o answer_n which_o you_o here_o acknowledge_v it_o be_v tie_v to_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n word_n in_o such_o proceed_n as_o judge_n to_o the_o law_n and_o so_o therefore_o the_o church_n exposition_n may_v and_o be_v to_o be_v make_v use_n of_o as_o a_o mean_v appoint_v by_o god_n that_o we_o may_v understand_v the_o word_n where_o there_o be_v a_o doubt_n or_o difficulty_n but_o we_o must_v not_o allow_v what_o you_o further_o add_v sc_n that_o we_o be_v bind_v up_o by_o the_o church_n exposition_n as_o we_o be_v according_a to_o what_o you_o say_v to_o those_o case_n in_o the_o law_n which_o be_v the_o judgement_n and_o exposition_n of_o the_o judge_n upon_o the_o dark_a place_n of_o the_o same_o neither_o must_v we_o close_v with_o you_o when_o you_o say_v the_o church_n exposition_n and_o practice_n be_v our_o rule_n in_o such_o case_n and_o the_o best_a rule_n too_o or_o that_o when_o there_o be_v a_o difference_n about_o interpretation_n of_o scripture_n we_o must_v necessary_o make_v another_o judge_n and_o rule_v for_o interpretation_n of_o scripture_n beside_o scripture_n as_o you_o speak_v the_o scripture_n itself_o be_v in_o such_o a_o case_n the_o only_a sure_a interpreter_n of_o itself_o the_o doubtful_a and_o hard_a place_n thereof_o be_v to_o be_v expound_v by_o the_o more_o plain_a further_o we_o do_v here_o declare_v that_o we_o grant_v the_o church_n be_v a_o judge_n touch_v matter_n of_o religion_n in_o controversy_n or_o touch_v the_o interpretation_n of_o doubtful_a or_o difficult_a place_n of_o scripture_n but_o a_o ministerial_a judge_n only_o and_o not_o the_o rule_n for_o its_o interpretation_n as_o you_o speak_v or_o such_o a_o judge_n from_o which_o there_o be_v no_o appeal_n no_o not_o to_o the_o scriptureit_n self_n as_o you_o intimate_v again_o the_o church_n be_v such_o a_o judge_n to_o which_o all_o party_n ought_v to_o submit_v in_o regard_n of_o her_o juridical_a authority_n to_o be_v censure_v by_o she_o in_o regard_n of_o opinion_n or_o practice_n but_o not_o such_o a_o judge_n to_o who_o determination_n we_o must_v submit_v our_o faith_n or_o resolve_v it_o into_o her_o sentence_n in_o a_o word_n we_o grant_v unto_o the_o church_n a_o ministry_n but_o not_o a_o dominion_n over_o our_o faith_n nor_o make_v her_o interpretation_n of_o the_o scripture_n where_o there_o be_v a_o doubt_n or_o difficulty_n the_o rule_n of_o faith_n or_o practice_n and_o if_o you_o have_v give_v to_o the_o church_n no_o more_o nor_o have_v ascribe_v to_o the_o scripture_n in_o this_o case_n too_o little_a we_o shall_v not_o have_v have_v this_o for_o a_o controversy_n that_o be_v now_o a_o great_a matter_n in_o difference_n betwixt_o you_o and_o we_o for_o whereas_o you_o reject_v the_o rule_n propound_v by_o we_o in_o our_o answer_n touch_v the_o determine_n of_o controversy_n in_o religion_n sc_n the_o word_n of_o god_n alone_o and_o notwithstanding_o our_o reason_n there_o urge_v against_o your_o add_v the_o universal_a and_o constant_a practice_n of_o the_o church_n unto_o the_o word_n of_o god_n to_o make_v up_o the_o rule_n to_o judge_v by_o in_o matter_n of_o this_o nature_n yet_o do_v here_o profess_o adhere_v to_o what_o you_o do_v but_o seem_v to_o insinuate_v in_o your_o first_o paper_n and_o because_o we_o have_v propound_v the_o scripture_n only_o as_o the_o only_a sure_a rule_n to_o walk_v by_o you_o hereupon_o as_o have_v be_v say_v rail_v upon_o we_o call_v we_o scripturist_n and_o scorn_n and_o scoff_n at_o we_o for_o make_v the_o word_n of_o god_n alone_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o manner_n we_o hereupon_o can_v but_o conceive_v you_o ascribe_v a_o deal_n more_o to_o the_o church_n than_o a_o mere_a ministry_n set_v up_o her_o determination_n for_o the_o rule_n of_o interpret_n scripture_n and_o issue_v of_o controversy_n and_o take_v away_o from_o the_o scripture_n that_o which_o you_o shall_v yield_v unto_o it_o even_o to_o be_v the_o only_a sure_a rule_n for_o the_o interpret_n itself_o for_o though_o you_o here_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o church_n in_o expound_v scripture_n be_v tie_v to_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n word_n in_o such_o proceed_n as_o judge_n to_o the_o law_n yet_o you_o say_v we_o be_v conclude_v and_o bind_v up_o by_o her_o exposition_n and_o therefore_o though_o she_o be_v tie_v in_o she_o expound_v of_o scripture_n according_a to_o this_o concession_n yet_o by_o this_o assertion_n it_o will_v follow_v that_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o believe_v she_o have_v right_o expound_v the_o scripture_n according_a to_o her_o duty_n for_o you_o say_v her_o exposition_n and_o practice_n be_v our_o rule_n and_o best_a rule_n too_o and_o that_o we_o necessary_o make_v another_o judge_n and_o rule_v for_o interpretation_n of_o scripture_n or_o else_o we_o prove_v nothing_o and_o that_o else_o we_o give_v way_n to_o private_a interpretation_n which_o be_v the_o popish_a false_a gloss_n upon_o the_o text_n point_v at_o in_o that_o expression_n and_o anon_o you_o tell_v of_o another_o judge_n and_o rule_v beside_o the_o scripture_n that_o be_v to_o be_v submit_v unto_o even_o such_o as_o the_o papist_n themselves_o can_v exâ—…_n viz._n the_o primitive_a church_n practice_n and_o universal_a and_o â—…nimous_a consent_n of_o father_n and_o general_a council_n and_o which_o though_o you_o will_v father_n upon_o mr._n philpot_n and_o calvin_n yet_o be_v that_o 〈◊〉_d they_o together_o with_o all_o other_o sound_a protestant_n in_o their_o wâ—…s_n against_o the_o papist_n have_v unanimous_o disclaim_v 〈…〉_z as_o the_o papist_n more_o ancient_o see_v if_o they_o muâ—…_n the_o determination_n of_o scripture_n they_o be_v cast_v â—…ly_o to_o council_n and_o the_o unanimous_a consent_n of_o father_n as_o to_o the_o rule_n whereby_o they_o will_v be_v try_v so_o you_o with_o they_o betake_v yourselves_o to_o these_o and_o refuse_v to_o be_v try_v by_o the_o scripture_n as_o the_o sole_a judge_n because_o thence_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o that_o episcopacy_n that_o you_o be_v for_o be_v quite_o cashier_v the_o whole_a current_n of_o the_o scripture_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n make_v a_o bishop_n and_o a_o presbyter_n all_o one_o but_o the_o question_n betwixt_o we_o be_v thus_o state_v as_o we_o give_v our_o reason_n even_o now_o why_o the_o scripture_n be_v to_o be_v the_o only_a judge_n of_o controversy_n and_o rule_v of_o faith_n and_o life_n so_o we_o shall_v now_o give_v our_o reason_n why_o the_o church_n exposition_n the_o unanimous_a consent_n of_o father_n and_o general_a council_n be_v not_o to_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o its_o interpretation_n much_o less_o the_o best_a rule_n where_o there_o be_v a_o doubt_n or_o difficulty_n as_o you_o assert_v argument_n 1._o because_o it_o be_v god_n only_o that_o be_v the_o author_n of_o interpretation_n scripture_n all_o scripture_n be_v give_v by_o inspiration_n of_o god_n 2_o tim._n 3._o 16._o it_o be_v he_o only_o that_o be_v the_o chief_a lawgiver_n and_o doctor_n of_o the_o church_n jam._n 4._o 12._o mat._n 22._o 10._o and_o therefore_o he_o only_o speak_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o in_o the_o heart_n of_o his_o people_n by_o his_o spirit_n be_v the_o supreme_a and_o infallible_a interpreter_n of_o scripture_n every_o one_o be_v the_o best_a interpreter_n of_o his_o own_o word_n and_o the_o lawgiver_n best_o understand_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o law_n he_o make_v and_o be_v the_o scripture_n can_v be_v interpret_v and_o understand_v but_o by_o that_o same_o spirit_n whereby_o they_o be_v write_v whence_o that_o of_o bernard_n nunquam_fw-la
of_o the_o land_n which_o have_v make_v no_o proviso_n to_o exempt_v any_o of_o these_o from_o be_v censure_v by_o we_o we_o be_v willing_a to_o examine_v the_o utmost_a you_o have_v to_o say_v for_o they_o which_o be_v but_o only_o this_o that_o we_o can_v no_o more_o proceed_v tocensure_v such_o as_o forsake_v the_o public_a assembly_n by_o virtue_n of_o any_o ordinance_n of_o parliament_n or_o rule_v lay_v down_o in_o our_o form_n of_o church_n government_n than_o they_o may_v be_v punish_v by_o a_o act_n of_o 1._o elizabeth_n or_o a_o act_n of_o 35._o elizabeth_n or_o a_o act_n of_o 23._o of_o elizabeth_n all_o which_o with_o our_o ordinance_n as_o you_o say_v be_v repeal_v by_o a_o act_n make_v septemb_v 37._o 1650._o the_o title_n whereof_o you_o give_v we_o as_o you_o have_v do_v before_o by_o which_o you_o say_v the_o former_a be_v not_o only_o repeal_v but_o tell_v we_o what_o be_v further_o enact_v but_o the_o strength_n of_o this_o allegation_n have_v be_v try_v before_o and_o find_v to_o be_v as_o weak_a as_o water_n this_o act_n of_o 1650._o that_o you_o insist_v on_o repeal_n only_o the_o statute_n or_o ordinance_n that_o inflict_v civil_a punishment_n upon_o those_o that_o repair_v not_o to_o their_o respective_a parish_n church_n etc._n etc._n and_o meddle_v not_o at_o all_o with_o repeal_n of_o the_o ordinance_n authorise_v the_o censure_v of_o offender_n with_o church_n censure_n and_o which_o we_o have_v in_o our_o answer_n to_o the_o four_o section_n of_o this_o paper_n sufficient_o demonstrate_v and_o therefore_o all_o that_o you_o say_v for_o those_o you_o here_o undertake_v to_o exempt_v from_o be_v censure_v by_o we_o be_v but_o what_o have_v be_v discover_v before_o to_o have_v no_o strength_n and_o so_o therefore_o be_v of_o no_o force_n at_o all_o except_o we_o must_v believe_v that_o by_o your_o repeat_n it_o and_o come_v over_o with_o it_o again_o and_o paraphrase_v upon_o it_o it_o have_v gain_v some_o new_a strength_n that_o it_o never_o have_v and_o so_o all_o that_o follow_v now_o to_o the_o conclusion_n of_o this_o section_n be_v of_o no_o weight_n for_o we_o can_v against_o manifest_a reason_n to_o the_o contrary_a judge_v it_o to_o be_v any_o great_a boldness_n in_o we_o to_o censure_v those_o as_o forsaker_n of_o the_o public_a assembly_n of_o the_o saint_n who_o fall_v under_o the_o character_n that_o we_o have_v give_v of_o they_o be_v make_v censurable_a by_o the_o ordinance_n establish_v the_o form_n of_o church_n government_n neither_o can_v we_o hereupon_o be_v bring_v to_o fear_v any_o danger_n of_o run_v thereby_o into_o a_o praemunire_n which_o you_o again_o mind_v we_o of_o there_o be_v only_o two_o thing_n more_o we_o desire_v may_v be_v take_v notice_n of_o before_o we_o pass_v from_o this_o section_n 1._o that_o the_o act_n of_o 1650._o which_o you_o quote_v do_v so_o far_o discountenance_v those_o who_o out_o of_o a_o principle_n of_o sloth_n worldliness_n or_o profaneness_n frequent_v not_o the_o public_a assembly_n that_o it_o leave_v they_o to_o be_v punish_v with_o civil_a punishment_n as_o offender_n against_o the_o law_n notwithstanding_o its_o take_v off_o the_o civil_a penalty_n from_o some_o that_o be_v mention_v in_o it_o and_o as_o be_v manifest_a from_o what_o you_o recite_v out_o of_o it_o and_o it_o not_o speak_v one_o syllable_n that_o may_v carry_v any_o show_n of_o a_o repeal_n of_o the_o ordinance_n for_o church_n government_n do_v both_o leave_n these_o and_o all_o other_o offender_n against_o that_o ordinance_n to_o be_v censure_v by_o the_o censure_n of_o the_o church_n as_o there_o may_v be_v cause_n 2._o that_o you_o have_v tell_v we_o if_o notwithstanding_o this_o act_n we_o shall_v proceed_v to_o censure_v and_o may_v run_v ourselves_o into_o a_o praemunire_n and_o then_o impute_v to_o we_o such_o a_o gross_a assertion_n as_o if_o we_o shall_v have_v say_v we_o be_v not_o to_o be_v blame_v for_o any_o mistake_n that_o may_v arise_v ab_fw-la ignorantiâ_fw-la juris_fw-la whether_o simple_a or_o affect_v do_v hereby_o plain_o discover_v you_o matter_n not_o much_o with_o what_o you_o charge_v we_o so_o you_o can_v but_o render_v we_o absurd_a enough_o for_o our_o sense_n be_v clear_a from_o the_o whole_a tenor_n of_o our_o discourse_n where_o we_o use_v any_o such_o expression_n that_o we_o say_v we_o be_v not_o to_o be_v blame_v for_o any_o mistake_n in_o you_o that_o may_v arise_v ab_fw-la ignorantiâ_fw-la juris_fw-la whether_o simple_a or_o affect_v we_o determine_v not_o but_o leave_v you_o to_o examine_v and_o which_o be_v so_o plain_a that_o when_o you_o yourselves_o recite_v our_o word_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o four_o section_n of_o this_o paper_n you_o represent_v that_o which_o do_v plain_o show_v that_o there_o you_o understand_v we_o as_o we_o have_v declare_v and_o of_o which_o we_o mind_v the_o reader_n in_o our_o second_o animadversion_n on_o that_o section_n but_o now_o we_o be_v the_o person_n that_o affirm_v a_o thing_n so_o absurd_a as_o if_o we_o be_v not_o to_o be_v blame_v for_o our_o ignorance_n of_o the_o law_n whether_o simple_a or_o affect_v and_o than_o you_o cry_v out_o a_o strange_a say_n and_o tell_v we_o that_o you_o have_v hear_v it_o say_v that_o ignorantia_fw-la facti_fw-la excusat_fw-la but_o ignorantia_fw-la juris_fw-la non_fw-la excusat_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o how_o faithful_o and_o sincere_o you_o have_v herein_o deal_v with_o we_o the_o reader_n may_v judge_v and_o we_o wish_v you_o in_o the_o examination_n of_o your_o conscience_n to_o consider_v the_o gentleman_n paper_n sect._n x._o to_o our_o next_o quaere_fw-la whether_o those_o that_o forsake_v the_o public_a assembly_n of_o the_o saint_n in_o the_o 2_o order_n may_v not_o be_v take_v for_o scandalous_a person_n and_o so_o comprehend_v in_o the_o 3_o you_o answer_v we_o conceive_v your_o meaning_n to_o be_v such_o be_v not_o mistake_v for_o they_o be_v real_o and_o indeed_o scandalous_a and_o so_o just_o merit_v to_o be_v censure_v by_o you_o and_o although_o we_o be_v not_o mistake_v in_o our_o conceit_n of_o you_o yet_o we_o must_v tell_v you_o you_o be_v mistake_v in_o your_o own_o to_o think_v you_o may_v bring_v in_o any_o that_o forsake_v your_o public_a assembly_n under_o that_o notion_n of_o a_o scandalous_a person_n and_o so_o proceed_v to_o censure_v according_o for_o the_o reason_n we_o have_v give_v before_o nay_o nor_o yet_o can_v you_o proceed_v to_o censure_v the_o more_o know_v scandalous_a in_o life_n such_o as_o you_o instance_n of_o drunkard_n swearer_n and_o whoremaster_n they_o be_v all_o punishable_a by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n as_o by_o the_o several_a act_n make_v for_o that_o purpose_n appear_v and_o not_o by_o any_o ecclesiastical_a much_o less_o by_o your_o elderships_n short_a and_o blunt_a sword_n of_o excommunication_n by_o any_o law_n now_o in_o force_n we_o be_v not_o so_o sensible_a of_o the_o multiplicity_n of_o canon_n and_o burdensomness_n of_o ceremony_n under_o which_o in_o the_o time_n of_o episcopacy_n any_o true_o conscientious_a do_v sigh_v or_o groan_n but_o if_o we_o may_v judge_n ex_fw-la pede_fw-la herculem_fw-la by_o the_o number_n of_o canon_n already_o make_v in_o your_o provincial_a assembly_n and_o elsewhere_o in_o this_o short_a usurpation_n of_o presbytery_n many_o urge_v necessary_a de_fw-fr fide_fw-la what_o they_o will_v amount_v to_o have_v you_o live_v the_o age_n of_o episcopacy_n 1600._o year_n and_o upward_o we_o may_v well_o cry_v out_o quare_fw-la oneramini_fw-la ritibus_fw-la and_o censure_v you_o as_o dr_n andrews_n do_v bellarmine_n in_o behalf_n of_o our_o english_a church_n nobis_fw-la non_fw-la tam_fw-la articulosa_fw-la fides_fw-la quam_fw-la vestris_fw-la hominibus_fw-la qui_fw-la ad_fw-la singulas_fw-la thesis_n crepant_fw-la est_fw-la de_fw-la fide_fw-la vobis_fw-la quibus_fw-la datum_fw-la est_fw-la vestra_fw-la omne_fw-la in_o eodem_fw-la lumine_fw-la videre_fw-la quibus_fw-la vestra_fw-la omne_fw-la ab_fw-la eodem_fw-la proponente_fw-la infallibili_fw-la habere_fw-la abundare_fw-la licet_fw-la articulis_fw-la ad_fw-la arthritim_a usque_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o animadversion_n of_o the_o class_n upon_o it_o 1._o here_o you_o have_v nothing_o to_o object_n against_o the_o reason_n we_o have_v give_v you_o in_o our_o answer_n why_o though_o such_o as_o forsake_v the_o public_a assembly_n of_o the_o saint_n be_v indeed_o scandalous_a and_o so_o such_o as_o may_v be_v comprehend_v under_o the_o latitude_n of_o that_o expression_n we_o do_v notwithstanding_o mention_v they_o distinct_o in_o a_o distinct_a order_n from_o that_o wherein_o the_o scandalous_a be_v mention_v have_v no_o further_o thing_n to_o tell_v we_o but_o what_o you_o have_v say_v before_o that_o we_o be_v mistake_v to_o think_v we_o may_v proceed_v to_o censure_v under_o the_o notion_n of_o scandalous_a person_n such_o as_o forsake_v the_o assembly_n of_o the_o saint_n for_o the_o