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A27361	A iustification of The city remonstrance and its vindication, or, An answer to a book written by Mr. J.P. entituled, The city remonstrance remonstrated wherein the frequent falsifyings of the said Mr. J.P. are discovered, the many charges by him laid upon the remonstrance and its vindicator, disproved, and the parity and agreement of the remonstrance ... with the propositions, declarations, remonstrances, and votes, of both or either House of Parliament manifested / by John Bellamie.	Bellamie, John, d. 1654.; Price, John, Citizen of London. City remonstrance remonstrated.	1646 (1646)	Wing B1814; ESTC R4476	42,384	58

conclude the minor and so the Commons are thereby pre●served from slavery but in another case the major part of the E●states doe conclude the minor viz. when the Lords and Common● doe agree upon a Law for the good and safety of the Kingdome then the King is concluded in that their agreement and ought t● set his flat thereunto For the Kings of England are bound by their Oaths to grant such Laws which shall bee for the good and safety of the Kingdome with the accord of their people in 〈◊〉 presented to them as in the preamble of the Statute made in the 25 yeare of ●dward the Third entituled The Statute of proviso●s of Benefices made at W●stminster in these words it doth appeare Whereupon the said Commons ha●e prayed our Soveraigne Lord the King that sith the Right of the Crowne of England and the Law of the said Realme is such that upon the mischiefs and damm●ges which ●appen to this Realme Hee ought and is bound by His Oath with the accord of His People in His Parliament thereof to make remedy and law And the King acknowledgeth this for a truth and accordingly Acted as in these following words in the same Statute it appeareth Our Soveraigne Lord the King seeing the mischiefes and dammages before mentione● and having r●gard to the Statute made in the time of his Grandf●ther and by so much as Hee is bounden by Hi● Oath to cause the 〈…〉 a Law of His Realme c. by the assent of all the great Men and Comm●nalty of ●is said Re●lme to the honor of God and profit of the said Church of England and of all His Realm● 〈◊〉 Ord●ined and es●ablished c. Thus farre the words of that Preamble and Statute upon which the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled say thus Viz. Here the Lords and Commons claime it directly as the right of the Crowne of England and of the Law of the Land tha● the King is bound by his O●th with the 〈◊〉 of his people in Parliament to make remedie and 〈…〉 the mischiefs and damm●g●s which happen to this Realme and the King doth not deny it C●llect of Declarations p. 229. L●t this suffice as answer to your third Querie Your fourth Que●ie is this Wheth●r ●ee viz. the King be present as a distinct Estate if so if one distinct Estate may bee present in power quatenus an Estate and absent in person m●y not a second Estat● be so present though absent in body yea a third Estate s● present and yet absent in body and so we shall have the Estates in Parliament and not a man amongst them this is a Riddle ind●ed Mr. Bellamie I pray you unfold this also Answ. At your request ●e undertake the taske your owne words grant that ●s well in Parliament as in all his inferiour Courts of Justice the King is present in his power these are your words viz. I know Sir hee is present in power in all his inferiour Cou●ts of Iustice as well as in the Parliament 24. Now in Parliament there is no power but the power of the three Estates viz. King Lords and Commons and therefore all the Acts that are en●cted by the power of Parliament are enacted by the power of the three Estates conjunction It is possible that the King may withdraw his person from the Parliament as now hee hath done but hee can never withdraw his power no not his power as a distinct Estate for in the making of every Act of Parliam●nt there is present in Parliament the power of all the three Estates without all which conjunctim no act can bee made But there is an Act made this Parliament by the free consent of all the three Estates in Parliament that this Parliament shall not be dissolved prorogued or adjourned without the consent of both Houses of Parliament first had and obtained viz. Anno 17 Caroli Regis entituled An Act to prevent inconveniences which may happen by the untimely adjourning proroguing dissolving of this present Parliament In 〈◊〉 Act are these words viz. Be it declared and enacted by the King our Soveraigne Lord with the assent of the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled and by the authority of the same That this present Parliament now assembled shall not bee dissolved unlesse it be by Act of Parliament to bee passed for that purpose nor shall b●e at any time or times during the Continuance thereof prorogued or adjourned unl●sse it be by Act of Parliament to be likewise passed for that purpose Now then thus I argue if at the passing of this Act of Parliament there was present the power of all the three Estates in Parliament viz. King Lords and Commons and by vertue of this Act of Parliament the Parliament cannot be dissolved prorogued or adjourned unlesse it be by act of Parliament to bee passed for that purpose then the power of all the three Estates viz. King Lords and Commons must needs continue in Parliament till by Act of Parliament to be passed for that purpose this Parliament bee dissolved prorogued or adjourned But at the passing of this Act of Parliament there was present the power of all the three Estates in Parliament viz. King Lords and Commons vide the Act 〈◊〉 supra and by vertue of this Act of Parliament the Parliament cannot be dissolved prorogued or adjourned unlesse it be by Act of Parliament to be passed for that purpose vide also the Act 〈◊〉 supra Therefore the Power of all the three Estates in Parliament viz. King Lords and Commons must needs continue in Parliament till by Act of Parliament to bee passed for that purpose this Parliament be dissolved prorogued or adjourned And thus the particular by me affirmed is clearly proved viz. That though the person of the King bee absent from the Parliament yet the power of the King viz. as one of the three Estates in Parliament is present with the Parliament I now come briefly to the second part of your Querie and will endeavour herein as you call it to unfold your Riddle the other two Estates in Parliament viz. Lords and Commons cannot be absent from the Parliament neither in power nor ye● in person thus farre ●e grant you that many of the members of either House may bee absent from either of their respective Houses and yet the two Estates of Parliament continue entire in Parliament for there must be at least three Lords present in the House of Lords to make it a House and so an Estate in Parliament and forty Commons with the Speaker in the House of Commons to make it an House and so an Estate in Parliament and therefore there cannot bee as you affirme three Estates in Parliament and not a man amongst them and this I give as an answer to your fourth Querie and if you please you may also let it passe for the unfolding of your Riddle In the ●ifth place in page 24. you have these words

or defective or any thing in the same newly happening where before there was no remedy ordained and have need of amending the same Major and Ald●rmen and their successors with the assent of the Commonalty of the same City may adde and ordaine a remedy meet faithfull and consonant to reason for the common profit of the Citizens of the same City as oft and at such time as to them shall be thought expedient which Charter was confi●med by act of Parliament 43 yeares after in the 7 of Rich. 2 Now if you can produce the like authority granted alone to the House of Commons by the Parliament that they of themselves without the consent of the King and the Lords have power to make lawes for the Kingdome as by this Charter the Lord Major Aldermen and their successors with the assent of the Commons of London haue for the City then you hit the bu●ines a●ight indeed but otherwise I thinke your argument is not true And therefore for after times let me advise you that if you will imitate an argument in the words of it be sure you imitate it also in the proofes of it and let them be as full and cleare for the confirmation of what you affirme for it is not words though never so smooth that proves any thing in matters of fact as this is And truly should I have laid down that argument to prove the power of the Court of Common-councell as unto the making of City laws to bee above the Lord Major and Aldermen and not have proved it de facto by the acts of the Court of Common-councell I should have thought it at least to have been a scandalum Magnatum against the Lord Major and Aldermen and very blame-worthy in my selfe to have done it But perhaps you think the condition of the King and the Lords to bee such as that whatever you speak or publish concerning them tending to the annihilating of their legislative power and authority in Parliament can neither be an offence to them nor a fault in you or if it bee it seemes you regard it not but I hope you will not take it amisse if as I did in that so I desire you in this either to produce a proof d● facto to make good that the House of Commons hath by an Act of that House alone conferred a power upon the King and Lords as King and Lords they had not before which are the very word● of your argument or else in plaine English to tell the Reader● that though you can transcribe the words of my argument which a childe of ten yeares old can doe as well as you yet now upon second thoughts you must needs confesse you come very short in a parallel proofe of it there neither now being nor never was any act of the House of Commons that doth prove that that House alone and by it selfe did ever make a law which did confer a power upon the King and Lords which as King and Lords they had not before and without this proofe I perswade my selfe no man will beleeve that as unto the making of a law the House of Commons is above the King and Lords though Mr. I. P. affirmes it to bee so And this I give not onely as a solution to this your argument but also to the other arguments which follow viz. concerning the power of the House of Commons alone without the King and Lords to repeale what lawes they think meet and to make laws and rules for all the Courts and people in England to bee steered and acted by and whereunto say you the King himselfe is bound by his Oath and therefore ought in duty to cons●ut and likewise to that which you say will follow from my logick viz. that the Kingdome representative is inferiour in its power in reference to the government of the Kingdome then the City representative is in reference to the government of the City and to the other Queries which you ground upon them for they all alike hang upon this string and if in the opinion of the Reader to whose judgement I referre it this be ●ut asunder I am sure they must all then needs fall to the ground and therefore I shall not need to trouble my self any more with them And now Mr. I. P. I have endeavoured with all the candor and tendernesse I could to examine your Book and have not I hope let one word fall from mee that in the least measure doth reflect upon your person for it is the matter of your Book and not any of your personall infirmities for alasse the Lord know● I have work more then enough to meddle with and to master my own or other your supposed errors in matters of Religion that I encounter with And if we cannot yet agree in this present difference and debate my earnest desire is and I trust ●y endeavour shall for ●ver be answerable thereunto that wee may manage the matter with that sweet moderation and temper of Spirit as becommeth Christians for of this I am confident that though through weaknesse or error in judgement perhaps mine not yours we cannot agree together to live in one Church fellowship or communion here upon earth yet we shall for ever mutually enjoy communion and fellowship with God the Father with Christ with the blessed Spirit three Persons in one Essence and with the holy Angels and the glorified Saints for ever in heaven And therefore I beseech you while we yet live here in this vale of teares let us remember and obey that counsell the Apostle gives us Philip 3. 15 16. Let us therefore as many as bee perfect bée thus minded and if in any thing you bee otherwise minded God shall reveale even this unto you neverthelesse whereunto we have already attained let us walke by the same rule let us mind the same thing I shall gladly imbrace and entertaine any truth of God which shall by you bee held forth unto mee with the warrant of his Word and as willingly leave and forsake whatever either in opinion or practice I now hold or doe that shall bee made apparent to be dissonant thereto for I solemnly professe unto you that I labour not for Masteries neither desire I to give the last blow I esteem it no shame to be conquered when Christ proves the Victor nor no losse to bee vanquished when the Truth prevailes for it's verity not victory that shall be my comfort A POSTSCRIPT I Have at this time no more to say either to your selfe or to your Book but in one word to let the Reader know that my desire and endevour to afford you all the faire quarter that possibly I could in this our Conflict about this Subject was such That I did upon Saturday the 8 of this instant August in the presence of Mr. Samuel Clarke Pastor of Bennet Fynck London and of Mr. Iames Story and Mr. Henry Overton two of yours and of my owne acquaintance shew you in Writing this my Justification of the City Remonstrance and its Vindication before ever I tendered it either to be Licensed or Printed and desired you to peruse it and if there was any thing in it either for matter of Fact or otherwise that you could justly except against I would expunge it and it should never see the light And when you would not accept of that offer I then read some passages in the Epistle to you which I told you that in my apprehension they were the things which most nearly concerned your Person this I did to manifest my unwillingnesse to let any thing passe from mee that might bee either prejudiciall to the Truth or justly distastefull to your Person and if it be possible to overcome evill with good FINIS In the absence of the Author these following Errata's escaped in the printing of the Vindication which I pray thus Correct Page 2. line 23. for you will charge read you will not charge p. 6. l. 30. for and Sectaries ● of Sectaries p. 7. l. 1. for till r. the p. 8. l. last for stated r. sacred p. 14. l 22 for finde in r. finde it in l. 24. for these their words r. these are their words p. 23 l. 27. for elected r erected p. 26. l. 26. for ones Poesie r Ovids Poesie

for truly I cannot dis●ern it But of this I am confident that it is app●oved by the Ch●rch of Scotland witnesse the Letter now in Print for all the Kingdome to see which was sent from the Generall Assembly 〈◊〉 the Church of Scotland to the Lord Major Alderme● and 〈…〉 of London June 18. 1646. manifesting thei● approbation of it and thankfulness for it And sure I may say● it is app●●ved by the generality of the ablest grave● and 〈…〉 witnesse their Petition subscribed by eight Thous●●● 〈◊〉 Hundred thirty and four of their Hands presented the twenty third of Iune 1646. to the Court of Common-Councell giving them Thankes for it testifying their approbation of ●t and des●●ing them to wait upon the House of Co●m●ns fo● their gracio●s answer to it which Petition is by Order of Co●●t since Printed And me think● you should not forget that the same Remonstrance for the substance of it was not onely well accepted but also graciously answered by the House of Lords And therefore ●urely in the judgment of all these the City Remonstrance ●s not ●udged 〈◊〉 But perhaps you ar●e of the ●ind● of 〈…〉 6. 16. who was 〈…〉 reason And I make as little 〈…〉 yet it is and will be 〈◊〉 all the Reformed Churches in Europe not one excep●●● 〈…〉 Q●arrells 〈…〉 is you have to say against the 〈…〉 whether in all probability the Reply and not the Remonstrance hath raised those disturbances for the Subject of the Remonstrance is an earnest desire of the settlement of government by one Uniforme Law for all the Subjects of England to submit equally and alike unto which I am sure must needs tend to peace and quietnesse but the d●ift of the Reply is quite contrary and therefore without all peradventure it 's this and its abettors and not that and its promoters which hath desired and occasioned these Divisions both in Church and State In pag. 9 you go about to shew that the Common-Councell by their Remonstrance did act in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God and for proofe of this in page 11 you give us some Scriptures and some passages in the Remon●●rance which you say or at least would have the world beleeve is in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God but you never tell the reader how or wherein they are so but thus you deliver them LET US TRY THEN WORD OF GOD CITY REMONSTRANCE Rom. 14. 5. Let ●very man bee fully perswaded in his owne minde That as we are Subjects of one Kingdom so all may bee equally required and here to delude the Reader you insert without making the least change of the character these following words as if they also were in the Remonstrance viz. Be they perswaded in their own minds or not perswaded to yeeld obedience to the government set forth or to be set forth by the Parliament Now I shall wholly all along in these your Parallels leave it to the judgment of the Reader to consider whether there be such an antipathy between these Scriptures and those Petitions of the Remonstrance as in the Remonstrance without your insertion they are exprest and crave your leave in the same way of parallel to set the same Scriptures with some branches of the Proposition● sent by both Houses of Parliament to the King and other pass●ges of Parliament and then desire your judgement whether they also 〈◊〉 a direct e●ident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God WORD OF GOD Propositions of both Houses of Parliament Article the 5th Rom. 14. 5. Let every man bee fully perswaded in his owne minde That r●formation of Religion according to the Coven●nt bee setled by Act of Parliament in su●h manner as both Houses have agreed or shall agree upon after consultation had with the assembly of Divines   ●CITI REMONSTRANCE Rom. 14. 13. That no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his b● others way That all such Sectaries as conform not to the publike Discipline established or to bee established by Parliament saith the Remonstrance but this you leave out may be fully declared against and some effectual course setled for proceeding against such persons Here say you is a stumbling block● viz. a menace in a brothers way Answ. But why doe you leave out the beginning of that prayer in the Petit●on which you cite●●t tels you the meaning of the Remonstrants by the words all such Sectaries ●iz Those immediately before mentioned as Anab●ptists Brownists Heretiques Schismaticks Blasphemers doe you not by omitting the mentioning of these indeavour to del●de the Reader I pray put down that Petition wholly together and let the Reader be fairly dea●t with all and have it as in the Remonstrance it is exprest an● then see how it is opposite to the Scripture by you set against it 〈…〉 〈…〉 I desire here also in a parallel way to set downe the Scriptu●● by you brought and a passage or two of the Parliaments and 〈◊〉 desire your judgement whether they also be in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God WORD OF GOD ●Parliaments Declaration upon his Majesties Declaration after the Ba●taile at Edgebill Pag. 659. Rom● 14. 13. That 〈…〉 put a 〈…〉 blo●k or an occasion to fall in his brothers way Had not his Majesty seduced thereunto by that Popish and Prelaticall faction denyed his conse●t to the Bil for the Assembly so often by both Houses presented to him wee had long since manifested to the world by a well setled reformation our 〈◊〉 dislike of ●* Brownisme and Anab●ptisme Remonstrance of the State of the kingdom page 19. We do declare that it is far from our purpose or d●sire to let loose the golden reynes of discipline and government in the Church to leave private persons or particular Congregations to take up what for me of Divine Service they please for wee hold it requisite that there should be throughout the whole realme a conf●rmity to that Order which the Laws enjoyne according to the Word of God M●t. 7 12. As you would that men should doe unto you so doe unt● them for this is the Law and the Propheis Page 3. Wee will not receive impression of any forced construction of the Covenant compare this with Page 7. Will you never leave fals●fying where doe you finde any such expression in the Remonstrance either in Page 3 or 7. as this is viz. we will not receive impression of any forced construction of the Covenant The House of Commons in their late Declaration of the 17 of Aprill 1646. doe say Wee expect that the people of England should not receive impressions of any forced construction of that Covenant and in obedience thereunto the Remonstrants doe say in page 2 and 3 of the Remonstrance that in pursuance of that Noble resolution of this Honourable House for the due

observation of the Covenant and their expectation of conformity of the people of England thereunto expressed in the late Declaration we doe resolve by the grace of God not to receive impression of any forced construction thereof and is it now become an acting in a direct evident and obvious manne● against the expresse Will and Word of God for the Common-Councell to professe their resolutions to yeeld obedience to the desires and expectations of the House of Commons in their not receiving impressions of any forced constructions of the Covenant I desire your leave here also in a parallel way to set downe the Scripture by you here brought and another branch of the Propositions sent by both House of Parliament to the King and to desire your judgement whether that also be in a direct evident and obvious manne against the expresse Will and Word of God WORD OF GOD Propositions of both Houses of Parliament Article the 6th Mat. 7. 12 A● you would that men should do unto you so do unto them for this is the Law and the Pro●hets For as much as both Kingdomes are mutually obliged by the same Covenant to endeavour the nearest conjunction and uniformity in matters of Religion That such unity and uniformity in Religion according to the Covenant as after consultation had with the Divines of both kingdoms now assembled is or shall bee jointly agreed upon by both Houses of Parliament of England and by the Church and Ki●gdom of Scotland be confirmed by Acts of Parliament of both Kingdomes respectively   CITY REMONSTRANCE Mat. 7. 1● As you would that men should doe unto you so doe unto them for this is the Law the Pro●hets The 4 Petition That no person disaffected to Pre●byterian government saith the Remonstrance s●t forth or to be set forth by the Parliament but according to your usuall course this to blind the reader you sti●● leav● ou● may be employed in any place of publike trust and the● you add which is not at all in that Petition those words viz. But some effectual course setled to proceed against such persons as in the 3 Petition where there is not the shadow of a word tending to any such purpose I confesse the words you● cite are in the 2d Petition but not at all in the least manner applyed to persons onely disaffected to Presbyterian government for there is no such word in that Petition nor any thing looking that way neither doth the Common-Councell in any part of their Petitions so much as desire that persons onely disaffected to Presbyterian government should by some effectuall course setled be proceeded against and therefore methinks you should have been a little more considerate before you should thus falsly and unjustly have charged the Common-Councell to act in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God This I will grant you that in the second Petition the Common-Councell doth desire that all Anabaptists Brownists He●etiques Schismaticks Blasphemers and all such Sect●ries as conforme not to the publike Discipline established or to be established by Parliament may be fully declared against and some effectuall course setled for proceeding against such Persons but is there no difference between Anabaptists Brownists Heretiques ●chismaticks Sectaries and persons but disaffected to Presbyterian government I pray tell mee your minde plainly would you have Heretiques and Blasphemers 〈◊〉 such as deny the Scriptures to bee the Word of God such as professe the Scriptures are writings onely probable to be beleeved as the Story of King Henry the eighth● such as deny the Trinity of Persons in the Unity of Essence such as call the Trinity a three headed Cerberus ●uch as deny the Divinity of Christ such as deny the immortality of the Soule and such as deny that there is a God or say if there bee a God the Devill is a God such as say God is the author of sin such who hold that all men shall bee saved yea and the Devills too such as say that Christs humane Nature is defiled with Originall sin as well as ours such as hold that all R●ligions Worships Consciences whether Paganish Jewish Antichristian c. should bee tolerated would you have these tolerated or would you not have some effectuall course setled for proceeding against such Persons or doe you thinke these to be no more dangerous if permitted to broach these Here●ies and Blasphemies in the Kingdom then to permit persons otherwise every way peaceable godly and orthodox because meerly disaffected to Presbyterian government I desire here also in a parallel way to set downe the Scripture by you here brought and a Vote of the House of Commons of the 30 Iuly 1641. and to desire your judgement whether that also be in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God WORD OF GOD Vote of the House of Commons die V●neris 30 Iubii 1641. Mat. 7. 12 As you would 〈◊〉 men should doe unto you so doe unto them for this is the Law and the Prophets Resolved upon the Question That this House doth conceive that the Protestation made by them is sit to be taken by every person that is well-affected in Religion and to the good of the Common-wealth And ●herefore doth ●eclar● That what person soever shall not take the Protestation is unfit to bear Office in the Church o● Common-wealth Thus having given you these Articles of the Propositions of both Houses of Parliament sent to the King for a safe and well grounded Peace and the other passages of both or either House of Parliament which I have placed after your example in a parallel way against the Scriptures by you brought and desired your judgement whether these also do act as you would have the world beleeve the Petitio●s in the Remonstrance doth in a di●ect evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God I pray you now also seriously to consider of those Petitions in the Remonstrance and compare them together with thes● Propositions for Peace and the other passages of both or either House of Parliament and then tell mee what the Remonstrants in those three so much by you condemned Petitions for the substance of them did more desire of the Parliament then both Houses of Parliament have now proposed to the King or hath been formerly by them in these passages of both or either House of Parliament declared to the world The● you say Presbyteriall government is not in the Covenant there●●re a● 〈◊〉 and this say you you inforce upon others though you will receive no forc●d con●●ruction of the same your selves Answ. Where did the Remonstrants say that Presbyteriall government was in the Covenant and if they never said it as they never did why doe you here bring it in as if they had said it I hope that at last you will learne to forbeare falsifying It is true that in page 2 of the Remonstrance they speake of Ordinance● for