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A04901 A confutation of monstrous and horrible heresies, taught by H.N. and embraced of a number, who call themselues the Familie of Loue by I. Knewstub. Seene and allowed, according to the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions. Knewstubs, John, 1544-1624. 1579 (1579) STC 15040; ESTC S108097 192,800 286

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and baptism he shall become saued but who so beleeueth not hee shall according to the worde of Iesu Christ become cōdemned 35. For that cause let no mā boast him to be a christiā that hath not in the vpright faith receiued the true tokens of the Christianitie that is that beareth or carieth not the name of the Father and of the Sonne and of the holie Ghost essentially and liuingly in him otherwise he shall assuredly in this same day of the loue of the righteous iudgement before al the holie ones of God which are comprehēded in the communialtie of the loue bee founde false and lying For the woorde that the Lorde Iesus Christ hath spoken shal iudge him in this same newest day Answeare H.N. proceedeth nowe to the sentence of euerlasting condemnation which hee thundreth out agaynst all howe many soeuer who shall not nowe in this present day of the loue beleeue this doctrine which he hath here published and professed What sentence hee himselfe lieth vnder I leaue it vnto the Lorde but if there be any place left vnto prayer for him I pray God hee may be so truely touched with repentaunce as that curse may be turned from him which wayteth for so many as by damnable doctrine shall leade blinde and simple soules out of the way In the meane time we stande assured from the mouth of the lorde that the curse which is causelesse shall not come The true Churche of Christ acknowledgeth the holy Ghost to be God equall with the Father and the Sonne because the Scripture geueth libertie and freedome vnto him in distributing of graces and giftes vnto the children of god According as we reade in the former Epistle to the Corinthes Al these thinges worketh one and the self same spirite distributing to euerie man seuerallie as he will because in like maner it ioyneth him with the father and the sonne makinge but one God of those three persons as it is written in the first Epistle of Saint Iohn There are three which beare recorde in heauen the Father the worde and the holy Ghost and these three are one Wee doe assuredly beleeue that the holie Ghost will bee our comforter vnto the ende as well in woorking the woorkes of sanctification in vs as in making strong and sealing vp vnto our spirite the assurance of saluation and euerlasting life bringing all that to passe in our weakenesse which the Lorde hath promised in his woorde For the which ende he is sent from the Father and the Sonne into the world Which effectes are many in number and merueilous for the great workemanshippe thereof in such frailtie as wee are forced to feele and confesse to be within our selues For what a wonderful worke is this in flesh and bloud to haue a wise and vnderstanding heart in the will and word of his God The Apostle setteth this sight of God his goodnesse towardes vs which is offered in the Gospel farre aboue the reach eyther of sense or reason attributing it onely to the holy Ghost The things which eye hath not seen neither eare heard neither came into mans heart hath God prepared for them that loue him but God hath reuealed them vnto vs by his spirit for what mā knoweth the thinges of a man saue the spirit of a mā euen so the things of God knoweth no mā but the spirit of god What a rare work is this in like manner to geue vnto men who are priuie to themselues of manifolde offences and great wretchednes the confidence and boldenesse to call God Father making a full reckoning of his fauour and good wil towards them which thing is notwithstanding wrought in the seruants of God by the spirit of God as the Apostle witnesseth because ye are sonnes God hath sent forth the spirite of his sonne into your hartes which crieth Abba Father Of what difficultie likewise is that woorke to quicken this not dull but dead disposition within vs in the wayes of the Lorde his lawes and in the woorkes of his commaundementes yet doeth the spirite of God performe it in vs as wee reade in the Epistle to the Romanes If the spirite of him that raised vppe Iesus from the dead dwell in you he that raysed vp Christe from the dead shall also quicken your mortall bodies by his spirite that dwelleth in you Moreouer that passeth the power of man in our afflictions to be guided vnto God and to haue beside the matter the acceptable maner also of mourning and groning ministred vnto vs which proceedeth from the spirite of God as it is written to the Romanes Likewise the spirite also helpeth our infirmities for we know not what to pray as we ought but the spirite it selfe maketh request for vs with sighes which cannot be expressed but he that searcheth the heartes knoweth what is the meaning of the spirite for he maketh request for the faultes according to the will of God. And howe woonderfull is the Lorde by this woorke of his spirite in vs who are yet kept from our Countrey kingdome and oftentimes so euill intreated and so litle regarded that not onelie men but the Lorde himselfe seemeth to reckon of vs as vnwoorthie of any welfare here vppon earth to haue notwithstanding within vs a good earnest of our inheritance in heauē euē the spirit of God who hath also to name Comforter for these and like effectes of consolatiō after that ye beleued ye were sealed with the holy spirite of promise which is the earnest of our inheritaunce for the redēption of that libertie purchased to the praise of his glory As for H.N. his holie Ghost there are no suche thinges to bee had from him for concerning the earnest and assurance to be made for our inheritaunce what vse can there be thereof when once wee are entred vpon the same nowe by H.N. his doctrine euerlasting life is in this life and in this estate of perfection which he professeth therfore when possession is taken there is no longer place for anie pledge or earnest of assurance and therefore H.N. his holie Ghost cannot bee he which the Scripture setteth foorth and maketh knowen by the propertie of a pleadge or earnest Beside this when H.N. his holie Ghost is once come they are past praier for sinne they haue not to pray against it beyng no sinners and goodnesse they want not beyng perfect and therefore he is not that holie Ghost which the Scripture speaketh off that helpeth their infirmities who know not what to pray as they ought making request with sighes and grones that cannot be expressed H.N. The nienth Article Wee beleeue one holy Churche a communialtie of holie ones which is the conioyned bodie of Christ or incorporated through the loue to Christ and that the shedding forth of the holy Ghost commeth to passe vnder the obedience of the loue vppon the same For through the holie Ghost wherewith shee is in
he take something for their standing other benefit he hath none by them This true essence and being of God which H. N calleth his loue is not according to his doctrine any thing that the Almightie hath proper and peculiar vnto himselfe in that he is God but that which all the faythfull are possessed of and that not in some little measure but so as there dwel liue or rule no other thing in all there spirite thoughtes mind and soule but alone this true godhead with his louely being of the vpright loue For these are his owne words in his first exhortation Chap. 15. and Section 26. The true freedome verily is this that the mā through the ministratiō of the gracious word is wholy released purged or purified frō all wicked nature which hath raigned ouer him that there dwel liue nor rule any other thing in him namely in al his spirit thoughts mind soule but alone the true godhed with his louely being of the vpright loue yea to be so wholy replenished with all vertues of God that there flow nothing in him but the spirituall heauenly and liuing waters And because H.N. his doctrine tendeth to establish a kinde of loue which in his opinion is the true beeing diuinitie and deitie of God therefore he calleth also his counsell and instruction this true being For thus he speaketh in his first exhortation Chapiter 12. Section 54. If yee stand minded to feare the Lorde to bee obedient to his lawe that passeth foorth presently out of the true Sion his word that passeth forth presently out of the heauēly Ierusalem giue ouer your selues after my counsaile and instruction according to it al as the Lord hath reuealed the true being vnto me out of Sion and Ierusalem wholy and altogither so will I then in like maner euen out of the heartie loue stand seruiseable so much as I may in the Lorde vnto you dayly and at all times thervnto to the end you should feare the highest God and might learne to knowe his righteousnesse For his righteousnesse is the loue the true being and the euerlasting life Speaking as you heare of his doctrine and exhorting them to the imbracing thereof hee calleth it the true being when hee sayeth according as the Lorde hath reuealed the true being vnto mee And in the ende he concludeth that the righteousnesse which he teacheth is the loue the true beeing and the euerlasting life So that the Deitie and beeing which H. N. giueth vnto GOD is no other then that which mortall men attaine vnto For the righteousnesse which they perfourme by his doctrine is as he sayeth the loue the true being and euerlasting life And forasmuch as this true being is no other thing with him then that loue which by his doctrine manie are made partakers off therefore in the beginning of his Euangelie H.N. affirmeth himselfe to be godded with God in the spirite of his loue and likewise sayeth that he was the true light of the perfect being And in his first exhortation Chapter 17. Section 5. The Childe confesseth of the Father and eldest Elder that the moste highest hath reuealed the possession of his moste excellent Maiestie in him and that with the same being of the perfect Godhead he hath made a godly dwelling with him This doctrine doeth vtterly ouerthrow the true diuinitie deitie of God it robbeth him of his true essence and beeing and couereth him with no other essence nature or being then is found in man it setteth the creator among the creatures and it matcheth the the creature with the creator The Lord if it be his good wil open their eyes that they may see it giue them harts that may blush and be ashamed of such blasphemie that e●that they may receiued in true repentance or otherwise if they will still harden their hearts that wee may see them laid downe in their confusion and couered with their owne shame H.N. In which name of the father wee are plucked Section 3 thorowe the seruice of his holie and gratious word vnder the obedience of the law of the Lorde of the beliefe of Iesu Christ and of the loue of the holie ghost by the father to the loue of his onely sonne Iesu or Sauiour the very like beinge or substaunce of his Godhed and euen so baptised or washed in the same name of the father Which plucking of the father and baptising in Section 4 the fathers name hath the foregoing by vs in the administration of the holie word vnder the obedience of the loue with the Law or ordinaunce of the Lorde And with his correction or discipline wherewithall we euen so as in an enmitie against the sinne beecome preuented and infourmed to an incorporating in the godlie righteousnesse For euen so in the becomming baptised in the name Section 5 of the father doth the Lord chastise or nurtur with his lawe euery man which hee plucketh or receiueth vnto him where through it becommeth than all made manifest in the man whatsoeuer becommeth chastised by the light or through the light Section 6 Through which fatherlie discipline in the becomming manifest of the sinne we are in seeing perceiuing in the light all the horriblenes of the sinne togither with Deuils and the fleshes lying craftie deceitful or false nature and Gods indignation and wrath ouer the same ouer all such as are of one minde therwith Section 7 When we nowe finde our selues guiltie in al and become in such sorte chastised by Gods grace through his light of the fatherlie loue so beare wee at that time greife sorrowe and anguish or affliction for the sinnes cause and confessing the same sinnes with humble heartes in the seruice of the holie word vnder the obedience of the loue of the father wee become wholy inclined and goodwilling to hate to leaue and to lay away or to mortifie the sinnes and all what is vngodly and to that effect we doe as than wholly giue ouer our selues in the counsaile of the holie worde and of the elders in the seruice of the loue To the ende that God the fathers name according to the requiring of the seruice of his loue might become hallowed and magnified in vs. Section 8 And euen so in the familie or communalty of the Loue wee obtaine grace and fauour before God the father and his sonne Iesu Christ become through the seruice of the holy woorde and of the fatherlie correction kepte and led foorth euen vnto Iesus Christ the sonne of GOD the father For to become iustified released or made free through the name of the sonne vnto whom God the father hath giuen all power both in heauen earth from the sinne ▪ and from her kingdom of the death of the Deuill and of all wicked spirites namely to our preseruation in the godlinesse in the
preuenting of GOD his goodnesse the dignitie and desert of bringing him selfe vnto Christe by his hatred and mislyking of sinne wheras the mislyking of sinne as well as the loue of righteousnesse are fruites that followe our beeing in Christ not causes that goe before to procure the same as appeareth in the Epistle to the Romans Likewise thinke ye also saith the Apostle that ye are deade vnto sinne and liuing vnto God in Iesus Christ our Lorde He ioyneth with the Pelagians against the grace of God which renueth and regenerateth vs and inwardly draweth vs by his spirit to beleeue and doe the will of God and will haue the grace of GOD no further to stretch vnto vs then that we haue from the Lord a lawe and doctrine whereby wee may learne what to beleeue and what to doe but the power to performe this albeit they will not refuse to call it the grace of GOD yet they say it is our nature according as August reporteth Isti autem asserunt sicut a fratribus qui eorum libros legerunt cognouimus in eo dei gratiam deputandam quod talem hominis instituit creauitque naturam quae per propriam volumtatem legem dei possit implere siue naturaliter in corde conscriptam siue in literis datam eandem quoque legē ad dei gratiam pertinere quod illam Deus in adiutoriū hominibus dedit illam vero gratiā qua vt dictum est Christiani sumus cuius Apostolus Praedicator est dicens condelector legi dei secūdum interiorem hominem Video autem aliam legem in membris meis repugnantem legi mentis mei et captiuantem me in lege peccati miser homo quis me liberabit de corpore mortis huius gratia dei per Iesum Christum dominum nostrum nolunt omnino cognoscere nec apertè quidam oppugnare audent In their opinion as Augustine saieth the grace of God towards vs is this that we haue such a nature from him that by our owne wil and power we may satisfie fulfill the law of God and that this is also that other parte of the grace of God towardes vs that hee hath giuen a lawe for the helpe of man But as for that grace whereby wee are are Christians whereof the Apostle speatketh saying I am delighted with the lawe of God in the inner man but I see an other lawe in my members striuing against the lawe of my minde Miserable man that I am who shall deliuer mee from this body of sinne The grace of God thorowe Iesus Christ our Lorde that will not acknowledge that neither dare they openly impugne or speake against it This plucking thorowe the seruice of that gracious word which he affirmeth to haue the foregoing by vs in the administration of the holie woorde in the thirde and fourth Section is according to the Pelagians the other grace of GOD which is added to that of our good nature euen to haue a rule instruction from God to guide this nature which in their opinion is so franke and so free vnto good that if it may once see the way there is no stay with it or let to keepe it from going forwarde And therefore where it is written in the Gospell after Saint Iohn No man can come vnto mee except the father which hath sent mee drawe him H.N. calleth this drawing of the father a plucking that plucking to be the giuing of a lawe and worde to rule our liues by In opinion then he ioyneth iumpe with the Pelagians for denying originall sinne he is forced to confesse the grace of GOD to be in nature and againe we see the lawe which doth poynte out the right way vnto life is called the plucking of the father or baptising in the fathers name H.N. Section 10 And that this is the vpright Christian Baptisme or washing in the name of the father and is the true baptisme which hath the forgoing in the christian doctrine of the seruice of loue Section 11 We confesse likewise that all such as beleue not euen thus in God the father beleeue vnrightly and that also they all which become not euen so as is aboue saide baptized thorowe the seruice of the holie worde vnder the obedience of the law of the Lorde or of the doctrine of his word in Gods loue or true being beare or carry not Gods holy name nor the spirite of his true beeing nor are baptized in the name of the father and that in like manner it is not meete or conuenient that men should count such vnbeleeuers and vnbaptized ones for Christians neither yet also for men at whose handes one should any way suppose or trust to finde any woorde of Gods trueth or yet any workes of righteousnesse or good seruice that God regardeth or accepteth Answeare It appeareth by these wordes that H. N. reckoneth of all beside his owne secte For there are no people beside him selfe and his familie who thinke or beleeue so erroniously as this confession teacheth as of Heathen vnbeleeuers vnbaptized ones they be his owne words as also be these It is not meete that men should account such for christians Whē hee concludeth that wee may not think to finde any woorde of God his trueth or any workes of righteousnesse among them whosoeuer beleeueth otherwise he speaketh not only ignorantly for that some trueth may be founde where there is store of errour and a wicked lyfe may be founde where the groundes of religion are truely holden but also maliciously agaynst the true Churche of GOD as that no woorde of trueth or woorke of righteousnesse were among vs who abhorre his religion as Heretical deuilishe doctrine What benefite doe these men receiue by the ministerie of the worde being thus perswaded of the Church of God In what readinesse are they to ioyne with any enimie for the ouerthrowe of the Churche being perswaded of vs that neither woorke of righteousnesse nor woorde of trueth is among vs I trust the Lorde wil moue the heartes of those who haue the gouernment in their handes either to trauaile to plant in them a better opinion of the Church or if that will not bee to cut them of as rotten members before they shall woorke any greater woe vnto the same The opinion of H. N. touching the Churche of God as appeareth by this his speache is most pernicious neither thinketh he worsse of Turks and infidels then hee doeth of all Christians that receiue not his doctrine What effectes this opinion may woorke in the heartes of the simple people that be seduced by him I leaue it to their godlie care to whom it doth chiefly appertaine to refourme the same H. N. The seconde Article Section 13 Wee beleeue in Iesus Christe the onely sonne of God our Lorde We confesse that the same sonne of GOD Iesus Christ is the very like being of the liuing God his father through whom god the father hath
all loue annoynted blessed and elected to a sanctified bride of Christ shee becommeth named one holy communialty of holie ones which is the holie conioyned body of the bodie of Iesu Christ We confes that this same one holy comunialtie which becommeth euen so as is aboue said incorporated through the loue into the bodie of Iesu Christ as one bodie with him and baptized in his sauing health is the true Christianitie and the vpright holie churche of Iesu Christ Wherevnto all people shoulde of right assemble them vnder the obedience of the loue to their blessing and saluation according to the promises For she is God maiesty or the true house of the loue for his dwelling wherein God will haue mercie on all people Who so nowe therefore assembleth him not vnder the obdiēce of the loue vnto the same holy Church of Iesu Christ neither yet submitteth him humbly vnder the same maiestie of GOD but contemneth the righteousnesse of GOD and the spiritual giftes riches of Christ so turneth away him self from the communialtie of the loue the chosen holy ones of God he sheweth that hee is false of hearte and standeth minded agaynst GOD and his holie Church and bringeth euen so the iudgement of his condemnation ouer himselfe Answeare H.N. professeth here that this sect is the true and onely Church of Christ incorporated through loue to Christ wherevnto all people shoulde of right assemble themselues to their blessing and saluation because she is Gods Maiestie for these be his owne wordes Hee professeth likewise that whosoeuer turneth himselfe away from this communialtie of the loue hee bringeth euen so the iudgement of his condemnation ouer himselfe In many places of this booke he flatly condemneth all people that are not of this secte hee affirmeth their estate to hee a false beyng the Diuell the Antichrist the wicked spirit the kingdome of Hell the maiestie of the Diuell himselfe they are his verie woordes in the fifteenth Chapter of his first exhortation I will not stand long vpon this point but content my selfe onely with two testimonies and those taken out of this and the next chapter whereby euery man may easily perceiue what his iudgement is both of the Preachers and people wheresoeuer or howe many soeuer that are not of his familie Thus he speaketh in the fifteenth Chapter of his first Exhortation and tenth Section The vnilluminated vnsent teachers busie and apply them very earnestly about the profounde knowledge of the Scriptures or high vnderstandinges according to the pleasing either contentation of men or about a paynted holines or false righteousnes according to the fleshe or outwarde appearance that hath before the fleshly minded a shewe of righteousnes but inwardly their nature or minde is full of iniquitie and full of all false witnessinges against God his gratious woorde and his Ministers and they are not else what but a nest of Diuelles and of all wicked Spirites Therefore surely the riches of the knowledge in all false heartes of the Scripture-learned and in all presumptuous or arrogant selfe wise is the false spirite of Antichrist which through his shew of outwarde holines and great knowledge in the Scripture worketh a secrete iniquitie and esteemeth himselfe as more worthie then the loue and her seruice and aboue the wisedome of God or the vpright life to be the spirit of the ful wisedom it self And in the sixteenth Chapter which is the next following and seuenteenth Section he confirmeth his iudgement in these woordes Therefore it is assuredly al false lies seducing and deceitful what the vngodly or vnilluminated men out of the imaginatiō or riches of their own knowledg out of the learnednes of the Scriptures bring foorth institute preache and teache They preache in deed the letter imaginatiō of their knowledge but not the word of the liuing god Seing then they haue not fulfilled obediently the first entrance into the doctrine of the gratious word yet neuerthelesse with free hearts presumptuosly boast them to haue and to vse all what is brought geuē out of grace to the holieones of God in the communialtie of the loue lie or erre therein so is doubtlesse all their doing word that they vse out of the free mindednes of their heat a false freedom out the false light the imagination of the knowledge all their congregation let thē esteeme thēselues so holy as they will a false Christianity and Deuilles Synagogue or schoole For there is none other cōmunialtie of holie ones or true Christianitie but the communialty of holy ones in the loue of Iesu Christ al such as adioyne thē thervnto and grow vp vnder the obedience of the loue in the same loue to elders of the holy godly vnderstanding His woordes can no waye be arrested so but that any man who shall read them may see and plainly perceiue that he thinketh of al that are not of his familie imbracing his doctrine adioyning themselues to that number as of a false christianitie a diuels sinagogue or schole they be his owne woordes euen now cited as you haue hearde It is very expedient therefore to examine what trueth there is in this his assertion The true Church of Christ resteth vpon Christ and his obedience H.N. his familie resteth vpon the law and their obedience yeelded vnto the same for that is their Christ and all the meanes of saluation that they doe acknowledge as doeth plainely appeare by that which hath beene spoken afore of their Christ Wee may therefore say vnto them with the Apostle ye are abolished from Christ who soeuer are iustified by the law ye are fallen from grace The Church of Christ is Abraham his seede and therfore as he was so they be heires by promise H.N. his familie commeth to all their happinesse by their own paines proper purchase therfore fallen frō grace and lye vnder the curse of God For so many as are of the workes of the law are vnder the curse saith the Apostle In the true Church of Christ the iusi man who because he is iust cannot be voyde of the fruites of righteousnesse and true holinesse yet leaneth he not to that his labour as now beeing altogither free from imperfection but liueth by his faith and resteth in the mercy of his God according as it is written by the Apostle The iuste shall liue by faith But in this Familie there iust men leaue and let goe all faith and credite in the goodnesse of any other and will liue by their owne laboure This sanctification and holinesse of the Church of Christe albeit it be sounde and sincere yet is it neuer perfect and absolute in this life without sinne and imperfection at all For we doe reade in the Gospell after Saint Iohn that braunches euen all of those without exception which bring forth fruite be in no other estate but that they haue in
cānot dwel togither therfore sin cānot be in him in whom there is any religiō Christiā conuersation they do bewray great ignorance for who knoweth not that the humors of our bodie be within thēselues of a diuerse nay of a contrarie nature dispositiō and yet are they so ordered and tempered within our bodies that one hath the preheminence and gouernement and the others doe reient and yeelde therevnto and being so qualified the body hath a good constitution by the same In like manner albeit sinne in the extremitie thereof that is in the rule and gouernement of the same can not bee in him in whom righteousnes ruleth Yet when sinne is a seruaunt and brought vnder subiection it both is and may be in him that greatly feareth GOD otherwise howe coulde the Apostle haue saide I delight in the lawe of God concerning the inner mā but I see another law in my mēbers rebelling against the lawe of my minde And whereas simply in it selfe sinne is a deadly poyson to them that feare God where the gouernement is taken away it being subdued it hath the place and office of a profitable medicine For it helpeth to expell securitie and contempt of God in that by the sting thereof we are spurred to God warde and forced vppon the consideration of our want to bee humbled vnder his grace to haue daily dealinges with him for the vpholding of vs in the middest of so many daungers and so greate experience of weakenes and infirmitie ❧ A confutation of a detestable practise of H.N. in supplanting the true and grammatical sence of the woorde by bringing in place thereof a bastardly broode of Allegories TO vphold the heresies of H.N. this is one especiall and principall practise that the History and natiue sence of the woorde of God is altogeather neglected of him and in steede thereof is intertained an Allegorical and bastardly construction which thing vtterly defaceth the certentie of the sacred scripture maketh no other thing of it then a nose of waxe which wil receiue as many sundry figures and impressions as shal please a man to presse vpon it and beeing in it selfe one and the same thing will notwithstanding beare formes and faces which within them selues are most diuers and distinct Now if the woorde be made so vncertayne our faith which is grounded therevpon can not be sure And if our fayth bee not sure howesoeuer it it goe with vs when the weather is calme it can not be auoyded but wee shall sinke and suffer shipwracke when the least storme of temptation shall beginne to blowe ouer our heades And like as wee haue no stay for our selues no more haue me any good weapon wherwith either to beare of an aduersary or to make an assault against a deadly and sworne enimie For if the worde stande indifferent to such diuerse and differing constructions as must of necessitie be admitted if Allegories be allowed and our selues receiue no helpe from the writing and letter to decide more with one then with an other What will holde of the assaultes of an heretique beeing a subtile aduersarie or where shall wee haue a weapon able to geue a deadly wound to any Heresie Wheresoeuer then Allegories shal happen to haue so good liking and so great allowance as H. N. doeth make them there can nothing be long safe from our aduersaries neither any thyng wel assured to our selues And therefore the meaning of suche as turne all into Allegories and borowed speaches is no other then to haue strength and defence to vpholde in religion and conuersation whatsoeuer any man his lust and liking shall leaue hym vnto As for the estate of these men who in this their Allegorizing are alwayes borowing constructions and meaninges theyr dealinges are lyke to the traffique of suche as goe all vppon trust for be theyr shoppes neuer so well furnished of wares yet all is but borowed And albeit they beare the countenance of men worth many thousandes yet when their estate is truely tried they are foūd worse then nothing for this long borowing doeth bryng them in the ende to playne begging And it is out of question these shall finde it to true who turne all their Scriptures into Allegories and borowed speaches when tēptation shall trie them they shall haue nothing to vpholde them though in countenance and shew they wil be taken nowe for the best and richest among the christiās Where it is answeared for them that they receiue the woorde heare and reade it alleage and alowe it true it is they haue it and as they haue it Sathan both may and wyll very gladly spare it For it is so disguised by Allegories that the true sence and therefore the power and vertue that is in it is plainely abolished So that Satan his gayne groweth too bee greater thereby in as muche as the shadowe and shewe of liking and alleaging the woorde keepeth many simple soules from any suspition to receiue hurt or harme by imbrasing of theyr doctrine whereas yf that shewe and colour were wantyng and Christian ielousie had brought them once to a searching and examining of the matter suche horrible heresies coulde neuer long hyds them selues Touching that place credite which they geue vnto the word of God in trueth Esope his fables may stande in as good steede as the woorde of GOD doeth with H. N. and his familie For yf a man bee no longer bounde too the signification and sence which the woordes being set togeather yeeld of them selues but may be permitted without any preiudice of the natural sence to take vp for his owne vse an other meaning construction Esope his fables wil be made to afforde as good diuinitie as the scripture shal be able to yeeld any And what blasphemie thē is this against the maiestie of the woorde to bee in effect no other thing then a tale of Robin Hoode nay to be in effect no other thyng then are the woordes and Characters of Coniurers which of them selues yeelde no sence or significatiō to the hearer but haue all their vertue operation from the strong perswasion and imagination of the Inchaunter Allegories by the iudgement of the godly and learned are not allowed to geue any euidence in matters of doubt neyther is theyr testimony taken for any proofe when matters are called into question because as they doe speake darkly so is there great vncertayntie in that which they say And therfore saith Augustin very wel in his Epistle Quis autem non impudentissimè nitatur aliquid in Allegoria positum pro seipso interpretari nisi habeat manifesta testimonia quorū lumine illustrentur obscura What impudēcie is there in him that wil alleage an Allegory for him vnlesse he haue other manifest testimonies by the light wherof those darke thinges may be clered This was spokē by that learned father against the Donatists who alleaged an Allegorical speach vsed in scripture for proofe that they onely were the