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A08327	The guide of faith, or, A third part of the antidote against the pestiferous writings of all English sectaries and in particuler, agaynst D. Bilson, D. Fulke, D. Reynoldes, D. Whitaker, D. Field, D. Sparkes, D. White, and M. Mason, the chiefe vpholders, some of Protestancy, and some of Puritanisme : wherein the truth, and perpetuall visible succession of the Catholique Roman Church, is cleerly demonstrated / by S.N. ...	S. N. (Sylvester Norris), 1572-1630.	1621 (1621)	STC 18659; ESTC S1596	198,144	242

most falsly in the Fathers of the Primitiue Church Since Luther we will not deny but some Lutheran sect hath been alwayes visible Where then is the latency Where the inuisibility To which you fledd before found such reliefe as you had a Lord your Herauld to blazon it abroad with prayse notwithstanding this second euasion was thus very pithily refelled by the forenamed dispute THE CATHOLIKE No knowne and apparent Heretikes can constitute the Church of Christ But all these your Martyrs and Confessours which Fox nameth were knowne and apparent Heretikes Therefore they could not constitute the Church of Christ such a● you suppose your Protestant Church to be THE PVRITAN I deny the Minor they were not knowne heretikes THE CATHOLIKE I proue the Minor Fox nameth the VValdenses Albigenses Lollardes VVicklifists such others But all these were knowne and apparent Heretikes Therefore all those whome Fox nameth are knowne and apparent Heretikes THE PVRITAN I deny the Minor The VValdenses Albigenses c. were true and faithfull Catholiques THE CATHOLIKE The VValdenses and Albigenses c. held many articles of Faith which you condemne as heresyes and many other damnable doctrines against both you and vs which both our Churches iustly burne with the note of heresy as all Historiographers testisy who liued about the same time and relate their particuler errours Therefore the VValdenses Albigenses c. were knowne and apparent Heretikes THE PVRITAN Peruse the Acts and Monuments of M. Fox and you shall see our holy Martyrs euidently freed from these slaunders of Papists THE CATHOLIKE If Fox therefore either sayth nothing in way of purgation or produceth not witnesses worthy of credit for that which he doth say it is manifestly proued you had no Church for those 900. yeares THE LORD DE LA WARE Let vs therefore see Foxes Chronicle The Conclusion of the Conference 6. Foxes Chronicle of Actes and Monuments being brought after much tossing and turning could be found not any one Authour of credit but Foxes bare denial to disproue all those writers who registred in expresse termes the infamous heresies of those forenamed sectaryes Yet least Foxes assertion take place with some partiall companion before so many faythfull witness●● no way interessed in our quarell I shall bring in heereafter the verdict of Protestants themselues who attach the Albigenses VValdenses VVicklifistes c. of the same heresyes of which our Catholikes endite them 7. In the meane while consider I pray what cause the Barō had to vaunt of his souldiers triumph who in both these encounters ranne out of the field so shamefully ouerthrowne as many who were present can witnes and pitty withall the beggery of Protestants who are faigne to gather the miserable ragges either of some inuisible spirits or open Heretikes to patch vp the coate of their mishapen Church CHAP. IIII. In which it is argued that the true visible and apparently knowne Church can neuer faile WHEN I note the admirable consent and perfect harmony which the Prophets and Apostles the old and new law vniformely make in establishing the perpetuall neuer ceasing raigne of Christs visible Church I cānot but wonder at the former blasphemous speaches of these many other not wholy vnlearned Protestants For in the old Testament it is called an euerlasting kingdome A kingdome that shall not be dissipated f●● euer Daniel 7. Dan. 2. Luc. 1. Micheas 4. In the new of his kingdome there is no end In the old Our Lord shall raigne ouer them in the Mountaine of Sion from hence forth now and for euer where he speaketh of the visible mountaine of the Church because to it he sayth all people shall flocke In the new he shall raigne in the house of Iacob Luc. 1. for euer In the old the Prophet testifyeth God founded his Citty for euer Vpon which place S. Augustin writeth Perchance Psal 47. the Citty which replenished the world shal be ouer throwne God forbid he founded it for euer In the new Vpon this rocke will I build my Church the gates of hell shal not preuaile against it Where the pronowne demonstratiue Matt. 16. v. 18. this and the gates of hell striuing and not preuayling against the Church argue a sensible foundation and visible Church S. Chrysostome comparing this promise Chrys in hom quod Christus fit Deus of Christ made to Peter for the continuall building and perseuerance of his Church with that prophesy of his touching the destruction of the Iewes temple there shall not be left a stone vpon a stone after a long and eloquent discourse he hath these wordes Doest tho● see how whatsoeuer he hath built no man shall destroy and whatsoeuer he hath destroyed no man shall build He builded the Church and no man shall be able to destroy it He destroyed the temple and no man is able to build it and that in so long a tyme for they haue endeanoured both to destroy that and could not and they haue attempted to build vp this neither could they a●chieue it In the old I will make a league of peace to them an euerlasting couenant shall be to them Ezech. 37. v. 26. and I will found them and will multiply them and will giue my sanctification in the middest of them for euer And to signify that he meaneth a visible couenant establishment or multiplication Ibid. v. 28. it followeth and Gentills shall know that I am the Lord the sanctifyer of Israel In the new Behould I am with you all dayes euen to the consummation of the world with you preaching Matt. 28. v. vltim christening and ministring Sacraments therfore the Church shall neuer cease exercising these visible acts vntill the end of the world Yet because some sectaryes restraine that passage to the Apostles hearken what S. Aug. in psal 47. Augustine writeth directly against them Neither did he say this to the Apostles only who were not to perseuere to the c●●um●ation of the world but to them he spake and vs he signified Because as he auoucheth in another place To all Christians these wordes appertayned who were to come and continue to the end August serm 45. de verbis ●emini of the world They appertaine as he affirmeth to al because by the teachers and baptizers all the shepheards by the instructed and baptized all the people or sheep of the fold are denoted who could not be taught instructed nor baptized if they were not visibly knowne one to the other 2. Finally in the old testament I haue sworne to Dauid Psal 88. v. 4. Matt. 13. v. 30. his seed shall remaine for euer In the new testament The good seed sowed in the field is sayd to grow vntill the haruest But by whome is it sowed how doth it increase By visible pastours preachers of the word amongst whom Amongst the faithfull how long Vntill the haruest vntill the consumation of the world Where In the Field of our Lord. And

vayne to be ready to obey him who reiect his Mynisters Therefore he commaundeth the word and doctrine to be required from the mouth of Prophets and Doctours who teach in his name and by his warrant least we foolishly hunt after new reuelations Yf this be so how durst your M. Caluin How durst our sectaryes deliuer a Gospell they neuer tooke from the mouth of any Prophet or Doctour Caluinus contra errores Serueti With what face doe they vaunt of obeying God when they disobey his Mynisters the interpreters of his will How shall we know that they who follow not the setled course prescribed by him doe not foolishly hunt after new reuelations Michael Seruetus forsooke that ordinary way he vsed the like pretense as M. Mason doth of reuelation frō Scripture the same Caluin inueighed agaynst him That like another Mahomet he rose a restorer of a new world with a new and vnknowne reuelation Is not this sayth he to make voyd the whole glory which Christ hath gottē By thy own saying I cōdemne thee and thy fellowes o vngracious seruant For by the same argument thou o Caluin art like another Mahomet Caluin his followers come like Mahomet with new reuelations the English sectaryes progenitours like so many Mahomets who contrary to the publike truth receaued in the Church challenged another reuealed to them out of holy Scripture With whome I reason thus When Cranmer in England or any other beganne to vent their reformed Gospell eyther the same Gospell was preached by some lawfull Pastours in some partes of the world or not Yf it were not The Church of Protestants was no where extant the glory of Christs Church in their conceit was wholy extinguished If it were Frō those Pastours our sectaryes should haue deriued their succession To thē they ought to haue gone for their holy Orders 29. Or if the shell of ordinution from the Priestes of Tertullian in praes ca. 20. Antichrist was good inough for their Antichristian synagogue at least from them they ought to haue taken rraducem fidei semina doctrinae their letters patents and commission to preach From them they should haue gleaned the kernell of doctrine they should haue drawne from those pure Churches the line of fayth and seeds of doctrine as Tertullian anoucheth Aug. l. 5. de baps contra donatist cap. 26. which aduise S. Cyprian also giueth and S. Augustine much commendeth it saying That which he Cyprian admonisheth that we repayre to the conduite head that is to Apostolicall tradition and from thence direct the pipe to our tymes is an excellent The succession propagation of truth which heer we seeke cannot be learned out of Scripture 2. Pet. ● v. 16. thinge and without doubt to be obserued especially seeing in this mark of succession it is not the bare truth for which we inquire but the propagation traditiō reception cōtinuance lineall descent of the truth how it hath been cōueyed by Pastour to Pastour in al succeeding ages how taught how belieued from the Apostles dayes euen vnto ours This cannot be learned out of Scripture because it followeth after the Scripture The succession of doctrine came after the Scriptures were written how shall it then be proued by the precedēt Scriptures which were in the Apostles time who endited them depraued and Athanasius ora 2. contra Arian peruerted by some to their owne perdition as S. Peter witnesseth and why may not such deprauatours much more be now How can the Scriptures beare witnes of the publication progresse true perseuerance of that Eos qui aliunde quā a tota successione Cathedrae ecclesiastica originem fidei suae deducunt haereticos esse which fell out many yeares after their authours compilers were dead So that for the true doctrinal you must needs haue recourse to the true Pastoral succession which are inseparably chayned and linked togeather To leaue this way and endeauour eyther by Scriptures or by any other meanes to vphould the continuall descent propagation of fayth is an euident brand or note of heresy as S. Athanasius anoweth saying They are heretikes who de riue the origen of their fayth any where els then from the whole succession of the Ecclesiasticall chayre which he accounteth Aug tract 37. in Ioan there an excellent and an admirable way to fi●d out an hereticall sect And S. Augustine affirmeth That to be the Catholike fayth which comming from the doctrine of the Apostles is planted in vs by the line of succession S. Irenaeus also more auncient Irenaeus l. 4. cap. 45. then he sayth VVith whome the succession of Bishops from the Apostles tyme downeward remayned these are they who conserue our sayth doe expound the Scriptures vnto vs without danger 30. By this tyme thou perceauest courteous Reader the peruerse vnto ward course of Protestants who departed from the Pastours of the Church to the written word wheras they should haue repayred to her Pastours to haue learned without daunger the meaning of that word Thou perceauest the beggary or nullity rather of their prophane secular ministery which vndertaketh the care of sonles without any true election ordination succession or mission Thou perceauest how vainly they confide in their reuelations from Scripture who haue no certayne rule or publike warrant as Catholikes haue to knowe whether their reuelations proceed from God or no. Thou seest how they beare about them the earemarke of heretiks in deriuing their fayth from another Origene then the line of Apostolicall succession Thou seest how dangerously they vsurpe the functiō of Pastours who are wolfs robbers and soule-killers of the sheep so deadly bought with the bloud of Christ CHAP. XXI In which the Beginning Propagation Continuance of the true Fayth is proued to be a Note of the true Church and only to appertayne to the Roman Church which neuer altered the Faith it first receaued from the Apostles I SAY prophecying of the true Church and of the very place from whence Isay 2. v. 3. the preaching of the euangelical gospell should begin sayd The law shall come from Sion and the word of our Lord frō Act. 1. v. 8. Ierusalē Our Sauiour doth not only assigne the same beginning but foretelleth Luc. 24. v. 46. 47. the growth increase and continuance therof in these wordes You shal be witnesses vnto me in Ierusalem and in all Iury and Samaria and euen to the vtmost of the earth And Matth. 13. v. 37. 39. item 24. v. 14. It behooued pennance to be preached in his name and remission of sinns vnto all nations beginning at Ierusalem Then he auerreth that the seede of his word thus sowed in the field of the world shold increase and grow vntill the haruest That is vntill the last day vntill the consummation of all thinges Hence S Augustine Aug. de vnit Eccl. cap. 10. maketh this illation Let vs therefore holde the Church

impossible their Church should continue so many ages distinct from the Roman Papacy and no monument be left no steppes remayne no notice taken of it at least by the preuayling faction as they terme it of the Romane Church which diligently recorded the names and heresies of euery particuler person who at any tyme stood vp or defended any doctrine contrary to hers Yf the Romane faction tyrannyzed ouer them blotted out their names defaced their Sparke in his answere to M. Iohn d' Albins pag. 53. 54. workes razed their Churches burned their Records as Sparke fayneth some Chronicler or other some frend or enemy some Protestant or Catholike would haue registred those ransackinges or mentioned the vtter abolishments our Gouernours made of them Otherwise what warrant haue Protestants to belieue what euidence to shew they had such professours To belieue without ground in ciull matters is vnaduised lightnes in matters diuine rashnes inexcusable I proceed 6. Two other seeming answeres some of our late Reformers are wont to coyne First That seeing the Papacy Other euasions of our sectaryes reiected preserued the kernell of religion belieued the Trinity the Incarnation and passion of Christ c. their Protestant Church might be saued in it although it separated not it selfe in communion from her But this cānot be For the Pelagians the Donatistes the Circumce●●●● held these and many other grounds of true religion yet no mā could be saued participating with them nor with the Quartadecimani nor with any heretical Congregation although it dissēted from the true Church but in one heresy alone Therefore although the papacy imbraced the Fulke in c. 1● A poc sect 2. forenamed principles of fayth yet beccuse it was defiled according to you not with one but sundry heresies which vndermined the castle of heauenly beliefe the maynteyners of Protestancy coulde not be members of the true Church abiding in the false they could not be vnited to God in the house of Belial partake with Christ in the seate of Antichrist as hath beene other where more largely discussed 7. Their second euasion is that ignorance might Ignorāce cannot excuse our sectaries auncestors in cōmunicating with vs if we danably erred free their confederates from the danger of damnation in cōmunicating with our Church vntill the truth of their Ghospell was reuealed and our errours discouered vnto them But I answere that the plea of ignorance of matters necessary necessitate medij as the only meanes to atteyne saluation in iustification other articles of like tenour on which the summe of religion in Protestants opinion dependeth cannot be admitted in the Court of conscience before the tribunall of heauen For of such ignorance sentence is pronounced by the Apostle Yf any man know not he shall not be knowne And VVhosoeuer haue sinned without the law without the law shall perish Agayne albeit 1. Cor. 14. v. 38. Rom. 2. v. 12. the Church of God may for a tyme be inuincibly ignorant of some truth not necessary to saluation yet neuer of any necessary truth Wherefore if imputatiue iustice if only fayth without merite of workes and many such like protestant articles be necessary to be belieued the ignorance of them must needs cause al their auncestours to forfeit Field in his first booke c. 10. p. 19. eternall blisse especially sith Field therein subscribeth to the Apostle That no man can be saued vnlesse he make confession to saluation c. and by profession of truth make himselfe knowne 8. Besides as the Church cannot be ignorant of a necessary article much lesse can it generally professe any dānable errour any pernicious falshood as all latent Protestants openly did liuing in the Papacy and publikely professing as they account it our erroneous doctrine This the promise of Christ the assistāce of the holy Ghost the protection of God would neuer permit his Church to doe 9. This were to frustrate the comming of Christ the price of the bloud his preaching of his Ghospell For why did he take such paynes to preach the truth if ignorance might excuse vs Why did he suffer death to abolish Matth. 28. Ephes 4. Ioan. 14. 16. all errours if his people haue beene so long ouer whelmed with them How doth he raygne for euer in the Kingdome of his Church if that for these many ages hath been subiect to Sathan Did not he promise that when he should be exalted he would draw all thinges vnto him Did not he promise to cooperat with his Pastours baptizing teaching to the consummation of the world that neither they might erre nor we be carried away with the Tertullia de Praes c. 28. vayne blastes of errour Was not the holy Ghost sent to teach all truth and that for euer Did not God forewarne vs that the preachers of the new Testament should neuer be silent from praysing his name enioying his spirit and deliuering his wordes from generation to generation euerlastingly without interruption Vpon these assurances Tertullian deemed it so great a blasphemy that the whole Church of God should be spotted with errours as he thus Tertul. ib. cap. ●9 prouoketh Valētinus the heretik Age nunc c. Go to now ha●e all Churches erred c. hath the holy Ghost had regarde to no one to leade it vnto truth sent for that end by Christ demaunded for that end of the Father that he might be the Doctour of truth Forsooth the Steward of God the vicar of Christ hath neglected his office permitting the Churches otherwise to vnderstand otherwise to belieue t●en he by his Apostle preached A little after he scoffeth at him and others in this sort The truth expected some Marcionistes and Valentinians Lutherans and Caluinistes to be infranchised by them In the meane tyme the Gospell hath beene wrongfully preached wrongfully belieued so many thousand of thousands wrongfully Christned so many workes of faith wrongfully administred so many miracles so many gifts wrongfully imployed so many priesthoods so many offices wrongfully executed in fine so many Martyrdomes wrongfully crowned Yf Tertullian thought ●t a calūniation so infamous to affirme this of the Church for a little more then a hundred yeares space how monstrous is the report of our Reformers who venture to attach it of superstition ignorance idolatry during the long tract of a thousand yeares 10. Lastly although ignorāce may now then excuse the not belieuing of some particuler mysteryes yet the ignorant who otherwise incurre the displeasure of God can neuer gayne his fauour or recouer felicity vnlesse they be pardoned their sinnes and become members of the true Church Out of the Church no pleading for pardon no excuse can be heard to put a sinner in hope of saluation Otherwise the Iewes the Turkes the Pagans al such as haue been misled by heretikes might pleade this excuse But the hiddē Protestāts who lurked in the Papacy were not members of the Church They made not the true Church where