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A86328 The foundation of the font discovered to the view of all that desire to behold it. And, the baptizing of men and women when they believe (in rivers and fountains) proved to be a standing ordinance in the Church of Cchrist to the end of the world; by plain Scripture-proof. In answer to Mr. Cook's Font uncovered, for infant-baptism; and Mr. Baxter's Plain Scripture-proof for infants church-membership and baptism. With a word sometimes upon occasion to Mr. Hall's Font-guarded; which is more fully answered by Thomas Collyer. By Henry Haggar, a servant of Christ, and the congregations of his saints. Haggar, Henry. 1653 (1653) Wing H186; Thomason E711_1; ESTC R207114 109,478 143

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an empty law Third General I. That though in the 4 last books of Moses is an oft repetition of the Statutes and Judgements yet usually there is inserted in each of them some weighty distinction and not without great reason repeated which because of my necessity and brevity of time of writing with my other imployments I have omitted to observe leaving it to your selves to do as being the sole object of your study and rule of life to live by II. That as in the beginning God divided government committing some to Moses in the judicials and other to Aaron in the ceremonials 1. Moses government in the law is not destroyed Mat. 5.17 and cap. 23.2 2. Aarons Priesthood and with that his government ceaseth and in the place thereof Jesus Christ by the Fathers appointment is set up Heb. 7.11 12 15 16. 3. So that now as first there was Moses and Aaron so now there is to be to the end of the World Moses and Christ to rule and govern the World by 1. Moses in the World or State under the covenant of works also the servant of Jesus Christ ruling for him because he is not of the World 2. Christ in the Church among the Saints or believers under the new covenant of grace among whom the Lord himself is being one of them III. Those words Exod. 20.2 I am the Lord thy God cannot be said of nor applyed to any in that way as the words are delivered but to those 1. That have covenanted with God in the way of the law as the Israelites did 2. That are under the rule and goverment of the commands the Statutes and Judgements contained in that law Object That was spoken only of those God brought out of Egypt and concerns not us Resp As the Jews were under the bondage of Egypt and were restrained from Gods service and were then not in covenant with him nor had not his law to judge by so we have been under Antichrist in Babel and have been restrained from Gods service and were then not in covenant with the Lord as they were not nor is his law set up as a rule to judge by among us so that when God shall have brought us out of Babel and set up his laws and brought us into covenant with himself according to Moses it shall then be as binding to us that God brought us out of Babel as to them that he brought them out of Egypt Jer. 16.14.15 They shall no more say The Lord Liveth that brought them out of Egypt but out of the north countryes Jer. 23.7 8 9. Note Under the first covenant God was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 under the second 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hos 2.16 In the one God is as Abram to Hagar whose son she had by him was to be cast out under the Gospel-estate which was fulfilled in the casting out of unbelievers from the society of Saints they being not to inherit the promise that is Jesus Christ Gal. 4.30 which work was then done and shall be most certainly done againe in this age of ours In the other God is as Abraham to Sarah whose son Isaac being born of the free-woman signifieth the state of the Church under the Gospel under the name of Jerusalem from above which are a society of believers joyned to the Lord Jesus in the fellowship of the Gospel in whom the better promises are conferred and made over to the Saints born after the Spirit Gal. 4.30 Conclusion The covenant of works was after the covenant made with Abraham of grace but being renewed in Christ it is called new and the new old Gal. 3.17 The now first covenant though it hath not the best yet it hath many excellent promises necessary for the life annexed to it which we wanting bodily are reduced to great necessities and the breaking thereof brought ruine and desolation suddainly to the Jews And though at this time it be not in esteem among men yet the prophesie of Isaiah 42.19 21. incourageth me that after Gods servant comes who the blind world accounts blind though God saith he is his servant and perfect and which the Scripture before clearly shews was to come after the grand Apostacy of Antichrist I say after he comes the Lord will magnifie the law make it great though all the world have endeavoured to make nothing of it or of no use at all a long time when they shall againe judge by it and punish by it and rule by it c. yea and more the Lord will make it honourable also they shall never set up traditions in the place thereof again O Parliament This God will do but whether God will do this by you or not and honour you herein or not I do not know you see it is my desire if it be his will ye are witnesses and God also that the work may be yours who have dore much of the work of the Lord in the Nation that the Honour here and reward thereof hereafter may be yours and let me speak freely to you thus that if you will not do it God in few yeers will not want them that will do it upon whom and whose posterity the blessigs of God and the Nation will fall in great abundance who did that in their generation for them was never done it being then and never untill then fulfilled that of Paul Rom. 10.19 I will provoke you to jealousie by them that are not a people that is some heathens which none never yet did do should as the Jews nationally covenant with God in the covenant of Moses with which the Jews as awaked begin to thinke that people Jacob-like steal away or God gives away his birthright from him the not doing whereof delayes their call Now what Nation in all the world is like to do this as England O that it might be offered them who would not refuse it The fourth General That to the Elders Heads and Judges were other inferior subordinate officers to serve in the same rule who have their authority from the Scriptures and from God as the rest Josh 23.2 Deut. 16.18 Command the First Exod. 20.3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me Statutes DEut. 6.5 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart c. Chap. 10.20 Fear the Lord thy God him shalt thou serve and to him shalt thou cleave Exod. 34.12 Take heed to thy self that thou make no covenant with the inhabitants Verse 15. Lest thou and they go awhoring after their gods and one call thee and thou eat of their sacrifice Deut. 11.6 Take beed to your selves that your hearts be not deceived to turn aside to serve other Gods and worship them Deut. 8.19 If thou forget the Lord thy God and walk after other Gods and serve and worship them c. Deut. Thou shalt not go after other gods the gods of the people round about you Exod. 23.24 Thou shalt not bow down to their gods nor serve them nor do after their
now I have answered yours and Mr. Baxters which consists of neer sixty sheets in about eighteen sheets Now let all men judge betwixt us If you shall say it is no full answer I answer It is the better for you and your cause will be the more advanced and I pray take your advantage and spare not But time will manifest all things Againe I remember you say that we are the people that subvert whole housholds To which I answer Sir you much mistake your selfe as Ahab did when he told Elijah that it was he that troubled Israel who answered and said I have not troubled Israel but thee and thy Fathers house in that ye have for saken the Commandments of the Lord and followed Baalim So say I to you It is not we that subvert whole housholds for we baptize none of any house but those that beleeve and manifest their saith according to the commandment of Christ and example of his holy Apostles Mar. 16 15 16. Act. 8.12 with ver 37. but it is you Mr. Cooke that subvert whole housholds when you baptize Children and all and by that means you subvert whole nations for filthy lucre sake so that you may well say with Demetrius Act. 19.25 to the rest of your Brethren Sirs you know that by this craft we get our wealth the which mystery of your iniquity I shall now make more manifest in shewing the reasons of our dissenting from the Church of England and all other Churches which stand upon these four Pillars that is to say 1. Humane learning for take away that which you had at Cambridge or Oxford and you have no Ministry but all men may preach as as well as you nay I might say better 2. Your Rantizing or cozening of poor Babes in their Cradles take away that and you have no Church But others who have faithfully preached the Gospell and converted Souls to the faith and baptized them to in the name of Jesus Christ have a far greater 3. Your Tythes or forced maintenance The wages of unrighness 2 Pet. 2.15 after which you all go astray take away that and we may preach who will for all you By which it appeareth you are all hirelings and will labour no longer then you are paid for it neither do you care for the flock any longer then you are paid for it by all which you make that old papistical Proverb good upon your selves which is No peny no Pater-noster so say all you in effect No money no Preaching c. 4 The Magistrates sword by which you have been upholden these many yeers unto which you have applied your selves when poor Souls out of conscience have denied you to eat of the Milke of that flock which you never sed and to taste of the fruit of that Vineyard which you never planted then you have gone to the Magistrate for assistance that you might take it away by force pleading that you have right to it from the Scripture and that you can prove your right by the Scripture when it is no such thing And thus have you made the Kings and Rulers of the Nations drunk with the Wine of the wrath of your fornications and have caused them by your delusions to give their power and strength to the Beast and to make warre with the Lamb but he shall overcome them for he is Lord of Lords and King of Kings and they that are with him are called and chosen and faithfull See Rev. 17.13 14. These therefore are the reasons of our dissenting from you 1. Because you take Tythes or a forced maintenance even from those which you call Hereticks whereas the Priests under the Law when they were at the worst never demanded Tythes of the uncircumcised Gentiles that were not of their religion but counted it an abomination Againe Though Tythes were by the Law to be paid to the Preists by the people under the Law yet when the Gentiles were converted by the preaching of the Gospell and questioned what things they should observe concerning the Law Act. 15.24 the Apostles answer was ver 28 29. It seemeth good to the holy-Ghost and us to lay upon you no greater burden then these necessary things viz. That you abstain from meats offered to Idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication from which if you keep your selves you shall do well c. these we see were necessary things and this was all the burthen as conserning the Law that it seemed good to the holy Ghost and the Apostles to lay upon the Gentiles wherein there is not one word nor sillable spoken about that intolerable burthen of Tythes which is Antichristian and denieth Christ to be come in the flesh who changed the priesthood and therefore there is of necessity a change of the law see Heb 7.11 12. Now seeing that both the Priesthood and Law are changed I pray where is your ground to take Tythes as Priests or what law compels the people to pay Tythes to you as unto Priests answer if you can But it may be you will say you are Ministers of the Gospel and the Ministers of the Gospel must live of the Gospel Answ Then it seems you have granted they must not live of the Law but Tythes are by the Law therefore they must not live by Tythes Secondly whereas you say they must live of the Gospel I answer why do you not then and be quiet and take what people will give you and eat what is set before you as Christ hath commanded Gospel-Ministers to do and be content Mat. 10.10 with Luke 10.6.7 But it may be you will say this maintenance is not sufficient and if it be left to the people they will starve you Answ If it be not enough then you may labour with your hands the thing that is good to supply your wants as Paul and the other Apostles did which were as good and better Ministers of Christ then you are See Act. 18.1 2 3. with 1 Cor. 4.11 12. and 2 Thes 3.7 8. 2. Whereas you say as I have heard some that the people would starve their Ministers if it were left to them I answer Then they are no Christians as you have born them in hand they were for if they were Christians they durst not let their Teachers starve if he took but any honest course to live But to conclude the truth is if you can neither trust God for a livelyhood whilst you are about his work nor be content with what the people will freely give you nor yet labour with your hands to supply the rest of your wants you are not yet fit for the work of the ministery and therefore you may leave it to those that are better able to go through the work and to be content with the wages that Christ hath allowed them Your next is 1 Cor. 9.7 Who goeth a warfare at his owne Charge Answ It is true neither do any go a warfare at their enemies charges but the