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A83515	The third part of Gangræna. Or, A new and higher discovery of the errors, heresies, blasphemies, and insolent proceedings of the sectaries of these times; with some animadversions by way of confutation upon many of the errors and heresies named. ... Briefe animadversions on many of the sectaries late pamphlets, as Lilburnes and Overtons books against the House of Peeres, M. Peters his last report of the English warres, The Lord Mayors farewell from his office of maioralty, M. Goodwins thirty eight queres upon the ordinance against heresies and blasphemies, M. Burtons Conformities deformity, M. Dells sermon before the House of Commons; ... As also some few hints and briefe observations on divers pamphlets written lately against me and some of my books, ... / By Thomas Edvvards Minister of the Gospel.; Gangraena. Part 3	Edwards, Thomas, 1599-1647.	1646 (1646)	Wing E237; Thomason E368_5; ESTC R201273	294,455	360

Commission and Councel board might not doe Yee now frequently commit mens persons to prison without showing cause Ye examine men upon interrogatories and questions against themselves and imprison them for refusing to answer Yee have entertained to be your Committees servants those very prowling Va●le●s that were employed by those un just Courts who took pleasure to torment honest conscionable people yea vexe and molest honest men for matters of Religion and differences with you and your Synod in judgement and take upon you to determine of Doctrine and Discipline approving this and rep 〈…〉 thing that just like unto former ignorant politick and superstitious Parliaments and 〈…〉 cations So page 17. Truly t is a sad thing but too true a plaine quiet minded man in any place in England is just like a harmlesse sheep in a thicke● can hardly move or sti● but he shall be stretched and lose his wooll such Committees have ye made in all Cities and Countries and none are so ill used as honest godly men Ye● have now ●are full 5. yeers which is 4. yeers longer then we intended for we could chuse you but for at most one yeer and now we wish ye would publish to all the world the good that you have done for us the liberty you have brought us unto c. And if y● beleeve there is a God ye must beleeve it and if ye do beleeve it consider the way 〈…〉 ye have 〈…〉 d and truly repent show it by w 〈…〉 ing contrary to what ye have done or purposed to do and let us quickly and speedily 〈◊〉 thereof for God is a God that taketh v●nge 〈…〉 and will not suffer you to go on to your rui 〈…〉 And 〈◊〉 in these and 〈◊〉 other printed passages the Sectories 〈◊〉 their in sol 〈…〉 against the House of Commons so they declare their insol 〈…〉 in severall other particulars as First in going with a high hand against Votes passed in that House for instance when a passage in a Letter sent 〈◊〉 the House of Commons after Naz●by fight about liberty of conscience was upon debate Voted and Ordered by the House to be left out and was not in the Copies printed by co 〈…〉 d of the House the Sectaries presently printed that passage and besides bare printing it did it with a blaming of them who lest it out in the Letters printed and being printed it was set up upon Church doores to make it more publick viz. the Churches of greatest resort of people as at Stepny at the time of Master Burroughs preaching and printed in a sheet with some motives to the Presbyterians for liberty of conscience at the end of it as a passage in such a Letter written by such a man whose name I forbeare printing Secondly in scoffing at and writing against the priviledges of Members of the House of Commons and declaring themselves against those provisoes of exemptions made of Members in the House of Commons upon any Ordinances as that of Accounts c. declaring they are as free as any Members of that House and that they ought not to be in bondage to any Law o● Ordinance that they will not stand to declaring against theirs and their servants freedome from arests suits c. divers scoffing passages to which purpose the Reader may ●inde in Lilbur●s innocency and truth justified and other Pamphlets above named Thirdly in taking notice of publickly and publishing in pri●t matters in the House under debate and deliberation there before agreed on and resolved yea and speaking their pleasure of such things and branding the Members who have brought in or spoken to such things of which there are many instances as in the Ordinance for the preventing of the growing and spreading of Heresies Blasphemies brought into the House of Commons they printed it they made Observations Animadversions Queres Invectives against it spoke against those worthy Members by name who presented it and all when it was but newly under debate for proofe of all which particulars let the Reader look upon these following Pamphlets S 〈…〉 e mo●●s● and ●umble Queres concerning a printed paper entituled An Ordinance presented to the Honorable House of Commons for the preventing of the growing of Heresies A D 〈…〉 to the Bill for preventing the growth and spreading of Heresies Some breif Observations upon the foregoing Ordinance Master Burtons Conformities Deformity Pag. 17. Overtons Arrow against all Tyrants pag. 12. 13 14. of which Ordinance yet but under debate in that House this Overton writes That by the powerfull agitation of Master Taet and Master Bacon two Members of the House a most Romish Inquisition Ordinance had obtained admission into the House there to be twice read and to be referr'd to a Committee which is of such a nature if it should be but confirmed enacted and established as would draw all the innocent bloud of the Saints from righteous Abel unto this present upon this Nation and fill the Land with more Martyrdoms Tyrannies Cruelties and Oppressio 〈…〉 then ever was in the bloudy dayes of Queen Mary yea or ever before or since For I may boldly say that the people of this Nation never heard of such a diabolicall murthering devouring Ordinance Order Edict o● Law in their Land as is that So when the Assemblies last Petition about Church-Government was in the House under debate Master Salt 〈…〉 arish takes notice of it prints is writes against it Fourthly In a contemptuous carriage to the commands of the House of Commons in refusing to answer any questions propounded and instead of answering charging the House of Commons with injustice c. as is to be seen in a Letter of Lilburnes to his friend and divers other Pamphlets Yea Lilburne in a Book lately printed even since his Appeale from the Lords House was accepted by the Commons as himselfe saith and he so favourably and patiently heard by the Committee of the House of Commons to consider of the priviledges of the Commoners of England as appeares by a wicked Pamphlet intituled An Anatomy of the Lord● Tyran●y and unjustice exercis●d upon Lieutenans Colonel Lilburne brands the House of Commons with injustice ingratitude saying page 20. of Londons liberty in chains discovered that he could never in his life enjoy justice from the House of Commons although saith he I have wa●ted upon them therefore this sixe yeers and followed them as close as any man I think in England and I have beene as serviceable to the Common-wealth of England in my place and condition as any one man whatsoever that site in that House though I have beene ungratefully dealt with by them as ever man in England was Fifthly In opposing the power of the House of Commons in medling with matters of Religion making any Lawes Ordinances or Orders in reference to matters of Church-Government Master John Goodwin first preached against their power in this kind because they were chosen by the common people of the Land worldlings

prophane persons ignorant c. who having no knowledge in Religion and so likely to chuse such as themselves were unfit for such a work and afterwards in print being charged with it by Master Prynne as proved against him before the Committee of plundered Ministers he justifies his Preaching of which the Reader may see more in those Answers and Replyes that passed betwixt Mr. Goodwin and Mr. Pryn and particularly in Mr. Pryns Truth triumphing over falshood Epist Dedicat. and in the Book pag 106 107 108. The Author of the last warning to all the inhabitants of London pag. 5. saith That the betrusted Commons have not permitted this liberty in policie of every one worshipping God as they will but in Justice and upon mature knowledge that they neither are nor can be betrusted to make Lawes to rule men in the practice of Religion The Sectaries Remonstrance to their own House of Commons as they call the Honorable House pag. 12 13. speaking of matters that concern the worship of God denys the Commons any power at a● to conclude the people in such things It is not for you to assume a power to controule and force Religion or to force a way of Church-Government upon the people because former Parliaments have so done and affirms the Commons could not have such a power justly entrusted upon them by the people that trusted them And what need any further witnesse The House of Commons to their faces in the last 〈…〉 a st Sermon before them heard enough by Master Dell a famous Sectary and the Generalls Chaplaine against their power and authority to meddle in things of this kind Fifthly the Sectaries have written publikely and spoken openly against many particular Members of both Houses by name yea against the Honourable Speakers of both Houses by name and divers other prime eminent Members of note as well for their estates and ranks out of the Houses as power in the Houses calling by name some of them Traitors Achan● accusing them of treason and wilfull betraying of their Countries and Trusts as the Religious Earl of Manchester Sir Henry Vane Senior Master Barwis charging others by their severall names with other crimes as injustice oppression protecting of Delinquents sending many thousand pounds to the King at Oxford procuring by their publike places in the House contrary to the Self-denying Ordinances private and profitable places to themselves pride and loftinesse of carriage breach of promises giving out of the Scots that they have a wicked design tending to the prejudice of the State It would fill up many pages to relate all the passages in Lilburns Overtons Master Musgra●es Books Englands Birth-right and such like Pamphlets of Sectaries against some of the Peers by name as th●● thrice Noble and Worthy Earl of Essex●●tely ●●tely deceased the Earl of Stamford Lord H●●sden and divers of the Commons as Sir Arthur Hazelrig Master Lilsle Master Glyn Master Blackstone Master Gorbet Master Whitaker Master Allen Master T●et Master B●●on yea they fall foule upon Sir Henry Van● the younger Master Sollicitor Liev●enant Generall Cromwell Sir Henry Mildmay Master Holland c. and would have them turned out of their places as being Nonrefidentiaries Pluralists strengthening others in those wayes by their examples telling them these other places distinct from their Memberships of Parliament prejudices greatly the Common-wealth sowes up their lips makes them they dare neither speak nor doe what they should and without which 't is hoped they would but I must not enlarge more on this head and therefore referre the Reader to the Books themselves to peruse the particulars at large Sixthly The Sectaries have spoken written publikely against contested with the Committees of Parliament the Committees of each House both of the House of Commons and Lords How Lilburne carried himself to the Committee of Examinations his pamphlet entituled The copy of a Letter from Li●●t Col. Lilburne 〈◊〉 a Friend shewes at large what Master Musgraves carriage was to a Committee of the House of Commons of which Master Li●ts was the Chair-man himselfe relates in his pamphlet entituled Another word to the wi●e and in that Book he speaks against the proceedings of that Committee and in that of all the Committees of the House of Commons shewing his reasons why he declined that Committee and the answering of their Interrogatories Now his words are as followes I am blamed because I decline the Committee how should I expect any good from them when they dare not or will not suffer our cause to be publikely heard and debated but doe shut their doores against both our friends and also against strangers contrary to Law yet suffer they our adversaries whom we accuse to sit with their hats on as Judges in the cause both permitting them and they taking upon them to examine us And how can I assent unto the Committes demands to bring witnesses to be examined before such a Committee as cannot or is not authorised to administer an oath and so consequently cannot determine or give any judgement for or against the party accused for that all matters of fact and causes criminall are to be tried and determined by the verdict of twelue men upon solemne oaths and deposition of witnesses And how can I without incurring the hainous sinne of perjury submit unto the Arbitrary proceedings and determinations of any Committee being bound by solemne oath and protestation to maintaine the Lawes and just liberties of the people and that the Proceeding Orders and Results of the Committees be Arbitrary and not regulated by the Law I need no further proofe then that exorbitant and unlimi●ted power they take upon them and daily exercise in seazing on free mens goods and imprisoning their bodies contrary to Law for which if they should as they ought pay 500. li. a peice and trebble dommages to every party greived according to the Statute of 17. Carol. made for the abolishing of the Star-chamber I beleeve they would not adventure so boldly to transgresse Overton in his Pamphlet call'd A De●●ance against all Arbitrary usurpations either of the House of Lords or any other p 14. 13. declares his contempt●os insolent carriag towards a Committee of the Lords House how when he was asked by the Earle of Essex two severall times whether he were a printer or no he answered that he would not answer any questions or Interrogatories whatsoever but would stand to the rights and properties of the people of this Nation as also that he asked the Committee some questions talked sawcily to them as to know where or before whom he was What is a Committee of Lords the most supreme Court of Judicature in the Land Gentlemen if you be a Committee of Lords then I appeale from you Seventhly the Sectaries have carried themselves in word and deed insolently against the Parliament of England not only as I have fully proved abusing apart the House of Lords the House of the Commons Commit of each House and

Baptisme of Beleevers none but such are to be baptized nor they neither as the case stands now till we see some come abroad with a clear Commission to go about such a work At the close I would wish you amongst other things to consider this Suppose the Saints as they were gathered by the preaching of the Gospel in the Apostles dayes had been still in all ages to this day carefull to baptize none but Beleevers and had kept themselves in as much as lay in them pure from receiving any other into their communion and had worshipped God solemnly upon the old seventh day as upon Gods Sabbath I would faine know what fault you could find with this Church so doing Sir if I can gaine leisure which I confesse is very small I will endeavour either before or after my departure hence to let you see according to that which the Lord hath revealed to me how the mystery of iniquity vailes us nay and the whole world beside Yours unfeinedly P. T. THe Minister formerly spoken of sends to M Tandy a large and full Answer to this last Letter wherein he confutes him in all particulars expressed in his Letter which Answer because t is so large consisting almost of a sheet of paper close written I shal sorbear to print and shall only give the Reader a small part of it viz. that which he saith to that part about Circumcision and Baptism You take it for granted that Christs command bears nothing but the baptism of beleevers but how will this be proved That Christ commanded beleevers to be baptized ye only beleevers being of age when they enter into Covenant this is granted but that therefore absolutely none but Beleevers actuall Beleevers by Christs command are to be baptized it followes not If Christ had continued Circumcision still saying G 〈…〉 c. circumcise all Nations He that beleeveth and is circumcised shall be saved Circumcision had been to be administred to Beleevers and only to Beleevers in respect of such as were of age when they would be admitted into Covenant yet should not this exclude Infants being the children of beleevers and so in Covenant from Circumcision So neither are such infants excluded from Baptisme because Christ said Go c. baptise all Nations He that beleeveth and is baptized shall be saved When Circumcision was in use faith was required in men of yeers before it might be administred to them Rom. 4. 11. yet this hindred not but that it was to be administred to children The Covenant being the same now as before and only the signe and seale changed viz. Circumcision into Baptisme as children were in the Covenant before and therefore received the signe and seale that then was viz. Circumcision except we finde them excluded and debarred which we do not in all reason they are to be in the Covenant now and therefore to receive the signe and seale that now is viz. Baptisme The Covenant being inlarged viz. to all Nations should the signe and seale of it be straitned viz. to them that are of yeares yea an inlargement of the signe and seale we find viz. to females but a restriction of it to those of yeares we do not find Yea when Christ bids baptize Nations Matth. 28. 19. does not that comprehend Children are they no part of the Nation And if the Children of beleevers be not in the Covenant and to receive the token of the Covenant then shall there be no difference betwixt them and the Children of Insidels that one shall have no more birth priviledge then the other but the Apostle teaches otherwise 1. Cor. 7. 14. A Letter of Mr Tandy to the Minister upon receipt of the above mentioned Papers Sir I Am making ready for my departure hence and I have only so much leasure as to read yours by reason of the multiplicity of occasions that take up the residue of my stay How God will be pleased to afford me successe in my endeavours with you I cannot tell but I will not be afraid to say that I am sure I defend the truth and yet not I but the spirit of God that is within me I know what construction you will be apt to make of this expression but I will reserve my defence till I receive my fore-seen objection I send you this to promise you as God shall enable me an answer to your Papers but you must not expect it suddenly because I know not what urgencies I may be put to when I come to my journies end By this which I have received I see you beginne to be in some heate you commend me for my free dealing whether you do it ex animo as liking my freedom indeed I leave it to God to judge that ere long will make the world know wherein they do amisse but in the interim let me tell you that after the way that you call Judaism worship I the God of my Fathers And I trust in God either to drive you into a necessity of denying there is any Sa●both day at all to be observed or else of granting that which I contend for to be the right And if you do the former who is the Antinomian Where is the fourth Commandement If you do the latter it s very probable we shall meet in the other controversie since 't is acknowledged that they both hang on a string Sir since you commend freedome I am emboldened to use a little more Expect before God end this quarrell that he hath with the Land that God will bring all our hearts to submit with willingnes to his truth or else he will consume us The Lord in his mercy look upon us and cause us to see the things which concerne our peace which is the desire of his soule who is Yours wheresoever you are Christs P. T●ndy A Copie of a part of a Letter written by a shee Sectarie Deare Brother TO fulfill your desires I here give you a few answers to your propositions First for this proposition what disorder will this produce if there be not prayer in families Answ If whole families be Saints then you may pray with them and pray as often as the spirit moves you But this is the misery we have taken up things upon trust and done what wee thought good and have not eyed the rule and direction of the word 2. Prayer is a naturall thing for it is a principle of nature in all men to call upon God so do Turks and Heathens but God is a God of knowledge and what is not of faith is sinne so though the wicked pray they being unbeleevers their prayer is sinne Paul in the Acts reproveth the superstitious ignorant worship of them there when he found their superscription to the unknowne God whom saith he yee ignorantly worship him declare I ●nto you so that ignorant people they cannot pray they must have God declared unto them 3. Wee have no example nor precept in all the Gospel for Saints to pray

about Bridgewater and drew the modell how to storm Bridgewater and who routed the Enemy at the entrance into Cornwall and who reduced Exeter and Worcester to the last point of extremity with many particulars about Bristow and at Oxford but it shall not need there are some men in the Army upon the places keep a true account of these things and in a convenient time will speak and undeceive the world And so Master Peters pag. 12. writes thus How long therefore shall I intreat some three or foure I●inerury Ministers in a County Evangelists went out before Churches were setled how easily might the Land be in some measure reduced to God and their own civill Interests if provision was laid in of this kind But you will object We have about nine thousand Parishes and not a thousand able men I answer You see the need of Itinerants and secondly why may we not follow the practice of other Reformed Churches and gather up godly youths our of shops and send them for improvement somewhere c. Master Peters is carefull to propagate his Church-way at home as well as abroad and that in all haste and at once to over-spread the Kingdome with it by his importunity for three or foure Itinerary Ministers in every County to goe over each County and therefore asks how long he shall intreat implying this was not the first time and indeed the first fruits of these Itinerary Preachers that I can heare of clearly shewes the designe there being three named who have passed the House of Commons for some parts of Wales Master Cradock Master Symonds Master Walter or some such name who are said to be Sectaries and two of them I know to be such and decline coming to the Assembly though appointed by the House of Peers the Assembly should give that House an account of them and lest there should not be Independent Preachers enough for this wor● Master Peters is earnest to have youths gathered out of shops and sent to Oxford for improvement and though they fall short in Arts and Tongues to be sent abroad But by the way let me ask Master Peters why not some sent to Cambridge but all to Oxford This clearly shewes the designe because Cambridge all the Colledges in Cambridge are Presbyterian but at Oxford there being so many preaching Commanders and Officers they may quickly learn the opinions of the Army and their way of preaching and be sent forth with their desperate Principles destructive both to Church and State 5. Master Peters cryes up magnifies and extolls to the heavens the Commanders in the Army of his Religion and mind and takes occasion to instance in particular men as if there were none to be compared with them as may be seen pag. 6. Fear not the Army whose Commanders like Samuel can ask any County or Town where they have been Whose Oxe or Asse have they taken never fewer complaints nor many men of such quality whose design is only to obey their Masters viz. the Parliament the ●lighting the Army is their money triumphant chariors would have broke our necks So pag. 4. For Worcester I am sorry so little is spoken of it where so much worth and gallantry appeared and indeed I cannot remember where I have seen so much done in so short a time foure Regiments of Foot under the command of Colonell Rainborow came and raised works within Pistoll shot of their Royall Sconce c. wherein Lievtenant Colonell Pride and Lievtenant Colonell Ewers had a chief share whereupon the Enemy accepts of those Propositions you have seen and truly I wish Colonell Ra●nborow a sutable imployment by sea or land for both which God hath especially fi●ted him Foraign States would be proud of such a servant 6. Weakning and darkning the valour faithfulnesse and worth of other Commanders not Independents though of the same Army and of the other Armies in comparison relating matters wrong and very partially for the extolling his own party as the Reader may observe in the Relation of Worcester giving to Colonell Whaley only a preparatory part making a little way for the taking of Worcester but attributing the glory of the work to Colonel Rainborow now Governor of Worcester Colonel Pride c. speaking thus pag. 4. Where when that valiant Commander of Horse Colonel Whaley had done his duty and with the help of Countrey Forces had block up part of the Town foure Regiments of Foot under the command of Colonell Rainborow came and raised works within Pistoll shot c. whereas I have been told from good hands and so I beleeve hath Master Peters before this of the great wrong and injury he hath done Colonell Whaley in this Relation Colonell Whaley before ever Colonell Rainborow was sent having reduced Worcester to the last point and Worcester being in a such condition then that there wanted little else tantu●● non that it was not actually surrendred but of this more afterwards So pag. 6. Feare not that Army whose Commanders like Samuel never fewer complaints nor many men of such quality whose design is only to obey their Masters viz. the Parliament as if no other Army or Commanders like them And so pag. 10. By the same means the mercy is gained it may be preserved if men yea good men were instrumentall in the one they must be in the other conside when you see cause to conside c. as if no other Armies were means to gain Conques and Victories but this nor none other to be trusted to conserve what is won and instances in men to be credited with Garrisons who are honest godly English-men he may know by other passages who are his honest godly English-men viz. Sectaries and such as are opposite to the Scots though differing in opinion as all France being most Catholike trusts it self to their Protestant Leaders So would he have all places of strength and command trusted with Independents Anabaptists though the Parliament be Presbyterian 7. The seventh particular in this Pamphlet is the excessive boasting trusting in and omnifying this Army as if it were omnipotent able not only for all ends and purposes at home but to conquer all Christendome yea the whole world to goe to Bavaria Lorain the Palatinate Ireland France to incounter forraign threatnings and teach Peasant● to understand Liberty to secure us against Danes and Saxons yea to cause the West Indies and the East to offer themselves to our devotion the proofe of which the Reader may find pag. 6. Were I perswaded that forraign threatnings were in earnest I wish this Army might be sent to encounter them and teach Peasants to understand Liberty and I would not doubt but to see good fruit of it soon I would rather our men should live upon their wine then they upon our beer So pag. 9 10. What you hear of a conjunction between the Prince of Wales and his Lievtenant Generall the Duke of Lorain with some promises from his Uncle Bavatia need not

plaine with you we are not nor shall not be so contented that you lie ready with open Armes to receive the King and to make him a great and a glorious King Have you shooke this Nation like an Earth-quake to produce no more then this for us We do expect according to reason that you should in the first place declare and set forth King Charles his wickednesse open before the world and withall to show the intolerable inconveniencies of having a Kingly Government from the constant evill practises of those of this Nation and so to declare King Charles an en 〈…〉 my and to publish your resolution never to have any more but to acquit us of so great a charge and trouble for ever and to convert the great rev 〈…〉 w of the Crowne to the publike treasure to make good the injuries and injustices done heretofore and of late by those that have possessed the same and that we expected long since at your hands and untill this be done we shall not thinke our selves well dealt withall in this originall of all oppressions to wit Kings The Just mans Justification page 10. I wish with all my soule the Parliament would seriously consider upon that Law Who so sheddeth mans bloud by man shall his bloud be shed that so wilfull murtherers might not escape the hand of Justice but especially that they would thinke upon the grand murtherer of England for by this impartiall Law of God there is no exemption of Kings Princes Dukes Earles more then of fishermen c. The Arrow against all Tyrants page 11 12. Soveraignity challenged by the King is usurpation illegitimate and illegall c. The power of the King cannot be Legislative but only Executive So Overtons Defiance to the House of Lords Overtons Petition and Appeale to the High and mighty States the Knights and Burgesset in Parliament Assembled Englands Legall Soveraign● power The last warning to the Inhabitants of London with divers such like 3. The Sectaries have spoken written done much against the House of Peeres the supreme Judicature of this Kingdome that House which gives to the Parliaments of England the denomination of the High Court of Parliament as t is a Court of Record and having power of judiciall triall by oath c. of the greatest subjects of this Kingdome in the greatest matters as life estates liberty whose Tribunall and Power hath ever beene acknowledged and dreaded in this Kingdom in all times by the greatest Peeres and persons of the Land and when questioned by them have given all high respect and humble submission as we see that great Favorite the Earle of Strafford did yet this Supreme Court hath beene by word and deed so used by base unworthy sonnes of the earth as the 〈…〉 st Court in England or p 〈…〉 iest Constable never was till these times and certainly the ages to come who shall read the History of these times and the Books of the Sectaries written this last yeere against the House of Lords will wonder at our times and inquire what exemplary punishment was done upon them The facts of some Sectaries abetted and pleaded for also by other of their fellows have been these 1. Refusing upon the Summons Warrants of the House of Peeres to appeare before them and resisting to the utmost so that the Officers have been necessitated to drag them and bring them by force as Overton who in print is not ashamed to relate it 〈◊〉 When they have beene committed and under custody refusing to be brought by their Keepers to the House of Peeres upon command of the House to answer to their charge as Lilburne did keeping his chamber shut refusing to come forth and resisting to the utmost so that glad to carry him by power to the House of Lords which relation also Lilburne hath printed 3. In refusing to answer any questions put them by the House of Peeres 4. In refusing to kneele at the Barre in token of any submission to the House or to be uncovered 5. In appealing from and protesting against the House of Peeres and any power they have over them both by word of mouth and writing drawn up and thrown into the House 6. In stopping their eares in a contemptuous manner that they would not heare their charge read 7. In reproving sawcie taking up and reproaching the House of Peeres to their faces in the House 8. In Petitioning the House of Commons for justice against the House of Peeres and for reparations of dammages using many reproachfull words of that Right Honourable House even in their Petitions as is to be seene in Overtons John Lilburnes and Elizabeth Lilburnes Petitions 9. Threatning the House of Peeres what they will do against them if they maintaine their power and honour and what the house of Commons will do 10. Stirring up and inciting the common People also to fall upon them to pull them downe and overthrow that House The Speeches and writings of the Sectaries against the House of Peeres within this last sixe moneths or thereabouts ever since the commitment of Learner about The last warning to the inhabitants of London are fearfull and strange many Pamphlets having beene written in that time tending apparently to the totall overthrow of the House of Peeres and of having any Lords in this Kingdome denying them all Legislative and Judiciall Power and giving it all to the House of Commons or rather to that Beast of many heads the common People allowing the Commons only so much as they please and for so long making them their meer deputies and servants at will I shall give the Reader a few passages out of their Books and referre for further satisfaction to the Books themselves A Pamphlet entituled The Just man in Bonds writes thus pag. 1. The power of the House of Lords is like a shallow uneven water more in noyse then substance no naturall issues of Lawes but the extub●rances and mushromes of Prerogative the wens of Just Government putting the body of the people into pain as well as occasioning deformity Sons of conquest they are and usurpation not of choyce and election intruded upon us by power not constituted by consent not made by the people from whom all power place and office that is just in this Kingdome ought only to arise A Pamphlet call'd A Pearle in a Dung-hill pag. 3 4. speaks thus And why presume ye thus O ye Lords Set forth your merit before the people and say For this good it is that we will raigne over you Remember your selves or shall we remember ye Which of you before this Parliament minded any thing so much as your pleasures Playes Masques Feastings Gaming 's Dancings c. What good have you done since this Parliament and since the expulsion of the Popish Lords and Bishops where will you begin It was wont to be said when a thing was spoyl'd that the Bishops foot had been in it and if the Lords mend not it will be