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A28899 A defence of the Scriptures, and the Holy Spirit speaking in them, as the chiefe iudge of controversies of faith ... with a vindication of that honour due to magistrates, ministers, and others ... in a relation of a disputation at Chesterfield in the county of Darby, between some ministers of the Gospell and James Naylor, an erring Quaker ... : with some animadversions upon a lying relation of that disputation, published by Iames Nayler / by Immanuel Bourne ... Bourne, Immanuel, 1590-1672. 1656 (1656) Wing B3852; ESTC R23281 45,977 64

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A defence of the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit speaking in them as the chiefe Iudge of Controversies of Faith and of the light in them as needfull to be looked unto for direction to attaine Salvation With a Vindication of that Honour due to Magistrates Ministers and others according to their Places and Dignities In a Relation of a Disputation at Chesterfield in the County of Darby between some Ministers of the Gospell and James Nayler an erring Quaker The Questions disputed were these foure 1. Whether the Spirit of God speaking in the Scripture be the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith Affirmed by us Ministers of Christ 2. Whether the private Spirit in the Pope or in any Quaker be the chiefe Judge of Controversies Denyed 3. Whether every man be bound to looke to the light within him as sufficient for his direction to attaine Salvation Denyed 4. Whether it be lawfull to call any man Master or Father upon earth or to give any honour to man Affirmed In which The Truth is confirmed and the Quakers Errors and Blasphemies discovered and confuted and many places of Scripture from the Quakers false applications cleared With some Animadversions upon a lying Relation of that disputation published by Iames Nayler A man that is an Hereticke after the first and second admonition reject knowing that he that is such is subverted and sinneth being condemned of himselfe Tit. 3.10 11. By Immanuel Bourne Pastor of the Church in Ashover in the County of DARBY London Printed for John Wright at the Kings Head in the Old Bailey 1656. To the Right Honourable Iohn Glyn Lord chiefe Justice and to the Honorable Richard Aske Peter Warbarton Justices of the Upper Bench. To the Right Honourable Oliver Saint Iohn Lord Chiefe Justice and to the Honorable Edward Atkins Matthew Hales Hugh Windham Justices of the Court of Common Pleas. To the Right Honorable William Steele Lord chiefe Baron and to the Honorable Iohn Parker Ro Nicolas R Tomlins Barons of His Highness Court of Exchequer To the Right Honorable Commissiary Generall Edward Whaley Major Generall of the Counties of Nottingham Darby Lincoln Leicester Warwick And to all other the Honorable and Worshipfull Justices and Officers for the preservation of piety and the peace of the Nation The blessing of truth and true peace here eternal happines hereafter Right Honorable MAY it please your honours to give me leave to become your humble remembrancer That when Joshua that religious wise faithfull and valiant Captaine Generall of all the Armies of Israel had conquered one thirty Kings and by Gods assistance setled the Lords people in the promised land to witnesse his care of piety as well as of peace He calleth for all Israel for their Elders their Heads their Judges and for their Officers and mindeth them of the mighty works the Lord had done for them and pressed them upon that account to stir up their affections to love the Lord their God and to feare him and serve him in truth and sincerity yea to put away their false gods and false worship from amongst them And we read likewise of faithfull Samuel that hee judged Israel all the daies of his life and hee went from yeare to yeare in Circuit to Bethel and Gilgal and Mizpeh and he judged Israel in all those places and his returne was to Ramah for there was his house and there he judged Israel and there he built an Altar unto the Lord Thus here you see there was both Justice and Piety in this holy man of God and Israel was blessed in such a Judge We cannot but acknowledge that the Lord hath done great things in these Nations and wee doe enjoy peace and plenty and many mercies which we have not prized nor improved as we ought to the best advantage for Gods glory and our own good Under his Highnesse protection and the present Government through the grace of God every man may sit quietly under his own vine and fig-tree without feare of plundering a happiness which in few yeares past we did not enjoy Yea we have good Lawes and honourable religious Judges and Magistrates to see Justice executed and right done between man and man and wee enjoy our comfortable Liberty of preaching and hearing the Gospell of Christ Yet can we not say there is no complaining nor cause of complaint in our streets The Church and people of God have met with enemies in all ages Cant. 2.2 As is the Lillie amongst the thorns so is my beloved among the daughters and as it was of old so it is in these our daies the Church and people of God especially Gods faithfull Ministers suffer persecution by two sorts of people The first prophane Ranters Atheisticall men Drunkards Gamesters and ignorant blind soules such as neglect publike Ordinances in these times of liberty and have no right principle of grace and goodness in them These make it a delight to exercise their malice against the Ministers of Christ These would rob and spoile them to the uttermost if it were in their power And this we can witness we have found true by troublesome experience Againe there is another sort of people which travell up and downe the Nation under the name of Quakers as the Jesuits and seminary Priests have used to doe secretly so these now openly disswading and seducing our people all they can from commitig to our Churches or meeting houses calling our Churches Idols Temples All our services to God in praier preaching of the word and other Christian exercises ordinary and extraordinary when wee seeke the face of God for the peace and welfare of the Nation for the prosperity of our Navie and Armies both by sea and land or our praising God for his mercies we do enjoy All these say the Quakers are but Idol-worship In a Quakers book called a Discovery of a threefold state of Antichrist by Samuel Ballivant c. and beastly services and all the faithfull and godlie Ministers of Christ without exception are thieves our maintenance by Tithes Antichristian and unlawfull Yea they call us Conjurers Antichrists witches devils liars a viperous and serpentine generation blasphemers scarlet coloured beasts Babylons Merchants whited wals painted Sepulchres and whatsoever the true Prophets of God or Christ our Saviour did justly call the false Prophets wicked priests and Scribes and Pharisees those names do these rayling and reviling Quakers give to the godly painfull learned and faithfull Ministers of Christ in the Nation disswading our people from hearing us or giving heed to any thing we preach disturbing us in our publike ministrie And what can we call this but a persecution like that of those wicked men against the good Prophet Jeremie Come say they and let us smi●e him with the tongue and let us not give heed to any of his words Jer. 18.18 And what is persecution if this be not Yea such is the malice of these Jesuited Quaking adversaries against the ministers of Christ
resurrection After which it was demanded what Kingdome Christ did speake of Acts 1. Reply of another to Nayler But some one neer Nayler Replied Acts 9.5 17. 1 Cor. 9.1 1 Cor. 15.7 8. that Christ was seen after his Ascension For he was seen of Paul as Paul himselfe doth testifie Am not I an Apostle have I not seen the Lord And last of all he was seen of me as one born out of due time c. Iames Naylers Answer Nayler answered Christ was seene but he was seen invisibly Reply To which one Replyed that was a Bull or a sencelesse Answer for whatsoever is seen must be seen visibly in what manner soever it is seene whether by the eie of the body or by faith the eie of the soule If we see him that is invisible as Moses did yet he is visibly seen with those eies Heb. 11.27 by which we doe see him either in Grace or Glory Nayler Yet Nayler still persisted in his confidence that some thing might be seen invisibly and continued his railing and reviling phrases liars liars or to that effect 4 Question Disputed The time was farre spent and Mr Bourn called to another Question and that was taken which was the last that was proposed and the last that was disputed This was whether it bee lawfull to call any man Master or Father upon earth The sense and meaning of the Question was whether it be lawfull to give any honour or titles of honour to men to Father or Master to Magistrate or Minister to Lords or Ladies or the like The occasion was in part the Qakers crying out against the Ministers of Christ because they are called of men Masters and in part the proud uncivill unchristian behaviour of some Quakers towards their naturall parents and ordinary masters some towards civill Magistrates honourable Judges and Justices of peace before whom being called they have some of them in my sight kept on their hats in a contemptuous manner and denied any outward honour or civill respect to be given unto them Iames Nayler in his answer to this Question in his false Relation yea Nayler himselfe in his written Answer calleth us the Ministers of Christ Antichrist because we are called of men Masters And Richard Farnworth another rayling Quaker R. Farnworths discovery of Faith and divers papers page 2.3 and their common practice of refusing to give any outward respect to Magistrates not only Fox and Nayler but their seduced proselytes witnesse daily But Mr Bourne brought an Argument to prove it lawful to call or be called Master or Father and to give civill honour and titles of honour and respect to men according to their place and dignity to this effect Mr Bournes Argument Whatsoever titles of honour or respect the holy Patriarchs or Prophets or Apostles or other faithfull men have given unto or received from each other which are no where forbidden in the Scripture or written word of God those are lawfull for Christians now to give unto or to receive from each other But these titles of honour or respect as Father and Master and Lord and Lady and the like they have been given and received by the Patriarchs and Prophets Apostles and other holy faithfull men and are no where forbidden in the Scripture or written word of God Therefore the same titles or names of Father and Master Lord and Lady and the like may lawfully be given and received by Christians in these daies or in this age of the world First proposition I conceive will not be denyed except by such as will not be tried by the holy Scriptures And for the minor or second proposition we shall make that evident by an induction from singular or particular examples of godly men recorded in holy writ First if you read Gen. 23.6 You may finde Example 1 that when Abraham came to the children of Heth to ge● a burying place for Sarah his wife shee being then dead hee spake to the children of Heth and bowed downe himselfe to the people of the land to give unto them not any divine religious worship which is due to God but civill honour due to men and three times is Abraham there called Lord by that people and faithfull Abraham taketh that title to himselfe without any reproofe of them for giving that title to him or any refusing of that title given him which he would not have done if it had not been lawfull to have received any such honour nor would he have bowed downe himselfe to the people of the land if it had been sinne to have done so For Abraham was a knowing faithfull man believing in Christ the Messiah to come and rejoicing to see Christs day witnesse our Saviour John 8. Iohn 8.56 〈◊〉 Againe read Gen. 24. When Abraham sent his religious servant to provide a wife for his sonne Isaac Gen. 24.27 his servant putteth up his prayer to God O Lord God of my Master Abraham send me good speed this day and shew kindnesse to my Master Abraham And hee calleth Abraham Master sixteen or seventeen times in that Chapter which certainly he would not have done if it had not been lawfull to call Master Thirdly Gen. 32.18 read Gen. 32. And you may finde that Jacob calleth his brother Esau Lord in that direction of his to his servants whom he sent before with a gift to his brother When you meet my brother Esau saith he and he shall aske you whose are these Cattell you shall answer it is a present sent to my Lord Esau and he cals Esau Lord foure times in that Chapter Fourthly 1 Kin 18.7 8. read 1 Kin. 18. When religious Obadiah who did feare the Lord from his youth met Elijah the Prophet he calleth Elijah Lord. Art not thou my Lord Elijah And verse the 8. The Prophet calleth wicked Ahab Obadiahs Lord For thus speaketh hee to Obadiah Go tell thy Lord behold Elijah is here Thus doth that good Prophet not only suffer himselfe to bee called Lord but calleth wicked King Ahab Obadiahs Lord which he would not have done if it had not been lawfull and if it were lawfull to call prophane Esau Lord and wicked Ahab Lord wherefore is it not lawfull to call Master or Father or to give honourable titles to men now unto whom they doe belong both by naturall and civill respects witnessed by the practice of the Saints holy men in several ages of the world For fifthly if you read 2 Kin. 2. Did not the children of the Prophets at Bethel call Elijah Elishas Master Knowest thou not that the Lord will take away thy Master from thy head to day And againe another company of the Prophets at Jericho verse 5. Knowest thou not that the Lord will take away thy Master from thy head to day And in the same Chapter verse 12. When Elijah was taken up into heaven in a fiery Chariot Elisha cryeth out my Father my Father the Chariot of Israel and the
that we have just cause to feare they had some designe before this day to have brought to pass bloody projects to our ruine had not God our most high protector and his Highness under God been provident to prevent those common mutinies and insurrections which in all appearance had been plotted against this Nation and the good people thereof and then we doubt not but our Quaking and our prophane atheisticall adversaries like Herod and Pontius Pilate against Christ would both have agreed against us to our destruction if the Lord our good God should not preserve us What construction else can wee make of those bitter threatnings not only in words and to our faces one of the Quakers telling me Thus I was threatned by E. S. a Quaker since dead that I was plundered formerly by the Cavalliers but it should not be long but my house should be pulled downe and I thrust out of doors But to the same effect also in their written papers A description of the true and false Temple page 45. Nayler in his false relation and printed pamphlets Howle ye Priests say some of them the Lord is comming to beat up your quarters by his sword and fire and great shall be the slaine of the Lord. And God is risen to cut you off saith James Nayler himself And the former concludes alas alas poor Priests your downfall is near at hand subscribed published by Thomas Aldam Benjamin Nicolson and John Harwood And another of them the Lord is comming to beat up your quarters all ye proud Priests and downe with this deceiver tith-monger and robber and down with this Idols Temple as if they would stir up the people to pull down our Churches and to destroy all the faithfull Ministers of the Gospell in the Nation on a sudden and this subscribed as an Oracle from heaven written from the Spirit of the Lord. I let pass divers others But I humbly conceive in these Alarums it is fit the Ministers of Christ should be awakened as to be faithfull in their places and to walke believingly holily and humbly with God so to seek timely for protection and safety in the Lord and to whom under God should we seek but to that high power and authority and to those honourable Judges and Magistrates whom the Lord in his most wise providence hath raised up and set over us for the punishment of evill doers and for the praise of them that doe well and we acknowledge Gods goodnesse that he hath moved the heart of his Highnesse His Highnesse Declaration November 21. 1655. to take notice of the abuse of that Liberty of Conscience as by others so by these our adversaries who make too bold thereby to disturbe and persecute Gods faithfull Ministers yea under pretence of honouring God to dishonour and contemne the honourable Judges and Magistrates in the land keeping on their hats when they are called to answer before them and refusing to give any respect or outward shew of reverence to them Yea such they are as in their blind zeale to an imaginary reformation and conceited or pretended obedience to Christ Richard Farnworth a Quaker in a pamphlet of his c. would perswade people to cast away not only the good and wholsome lawes but all our learned Lawyers as well as Divines be they never so pious honest and faithfull of which blessed be God we have many in the land yet these must be banished also as unfit say they for any Christians to make use of and as if all going to law though upon never so just grounds were unlawfull for any that professeth Christianity without which and the assistance of our honourable Judges and good Magistrates what lawlesse wicked lives would a multitude lead And we that are the faithfull ministers of Jesus Christ have cause further to acknowledge Gods goodnesse in stirring up his Highnesse under God our supreme Protector with his honourable Councill His Highnesse proclamation Feb. 15. 1654. to send forth his late Proclamation against such prophane Ranters and Quakers to prohibite the disturbance of us Ministers and other Christians in our solemn assemblies Since which Proclamation blessed be God wee have had much more quietness in our exercises of religion and congregations then formerly we had But yet we are not without malicious enemies prophane persons as ill as Quakers And therefore to whom under God and his Highness under him should we apply our selves but to you my honourable Lords and to all other the honourable Judges Magistrates and Officers who are appointed for the preservation of the peace and welfare of the Nation And especially I am bold to apply my selfe to you my honoured Lords in more particular whose great Abilities Wisedome Justice Goodness and Faithfulness which I have observed in a serious examination of such causes which in your Circuits and in particular in severall Assies at Darby have come before your honours for tryall your judicious discerning between things that differ between right and wrong between a petty frivolous action brought by a malicious adversary brought only to vex a poor man your discountenancing of malice and that abuse of the good Lawes your just sentences given to the honour of God the good lawes of the land and to the comfort of poore men oppressed These things have encouraged me to dedicate this my defence of the Scriptures vindication of the honour of Magistrates Ministers and others according to their place dignities Unto your honors and all that have power and authority in the execution of Justice and preservation of piety and the peace of this Common-wealth humbly supplicating the continuance as of his Highness so under him of all your protections and favourable aspects upon and unto all Gods faithfull Ministers to maintaine them in that which is their just rights against their malicious adversaries yea to defend and maintaine the honour of magistracy Rom. 13.1 as an Ordinance of God for the comfort and safety of his people and to defend Christ and the truth of the Gospell of Jesus to defend the honour and glory of the Lord the most high Protector of his Church against all open prophaness and odious heresies and abominable blasphemies whatsoever that it may appeare we are a people taught by Christ as the truth is in Jesus and that the Lord of Hosts may appeare for us as our Protector to the end even till Shilo come againe Most humbly praying in my daily addresses to the throne of grace not only for my selfe but for all my reverend brethren the godly faithfull ministers of the Gospell of Christ that the Lord will more and more fill our hearts with his spirit of grace wisedome holiness and zeale that we may in a right way of holiness Iude 3. meekness and truth contend for the faith that was once delivered to the Saints that our own lives may be as becoms the Gospel of peace that we may win others to walk in peace