themselves their Prince's displeasure for a Rethorical libertie used in their behalfe shall be pay'd for their paines with the honourable essay of men sold unto sin enemies to God and all godlinesse the L. Sempils reward which he had from Iohn Knox as this gratefull Presbyter hath registred in his storie They that bridle the rage of their Princes the phrase usd as occasion serves will not sticke to halter the heads of their Nobles if they will neither leade nor drive but molest the progresse of their Presbyterian designes Your Historical Vindication I hope is no new nam'd Logike to prove negatives of fact your detraction from the credit of many irrefragable authours that Historize that insolent speach uttered by Bruce lookes more like a calumnie then their relation to a fâ—…ble And yet such a superstitious reverence is payd by your fond brother Didoclave to the memorie of his name that he could be content to pin his fayth on his sleeve and hang his soul at his girdle Anima mâ—…a cum anima tua Bruci si ex aliena fide esset pendendum and were there to be but one priviledge of aeternal residence in heaven he thinkes neither Patriach nor Prophet Apostle nor Martyr no nor the Virgin Mary her selfe were likelie to carie it from Bruce Which compar'd with King Iames's opinion of him as a perfidious madman that had a whirligigge in his head delivered after to many experiments of his rebellious zeale and frantike restivenesse is enough to condemne both saine and votarie to some bedlam purgatorie before imposture can fixe or facilitie of fancie finde these new imaginarie lights among the starres Your following invective is writ with Arrius's quill and by such scribling you gaine the title that Constantine gave him patroctonoâ—… epieiceias discovering your selfe to be a parricide of aequitie murdering truth in your relation and justice in your parallel His Lordship takes himselfe not concern'd in this case to recollect 800. yeares Historie of Europe to picke out of the pietie humilitie of many Reverend Bishops the pride and passionate errours of some few Noâ—… hath he malice enough with you to make that the nature of their office which hath been some litle monstrositie of minde by ill habits accidental to their persons Beside what among the Papists the nobilitie by birth of many Bishops concurring with the received dominion and large revenve of their Spiritual praeferment may elevate their thoughts and enhaunce their owne opinion of themselves if impardonable addes litle to the condemnation of ours which partake in litle with them but their titles The universal supremacie which the Pope arrogates aswell over Kings as Bishops may puffe up a litle Cardinal that is neare him in his purple possesse him with a conceit that he may Write himselfe companion to a King whom he thinkes but is mistaken oblig'd in Spiritual humilitie to lie prostrate at his holinesse foot and kisse his slipper But the same Kings soveraigntie in Ecclesiasticis at home secur'd him from all such contestation with his Bishops Though had it not the argument from a Cardinal in Rome to a Praelate in England will hardlie finde a topike Those in Scotland take themselves as capable of honour conferr'd upon their order as their Popish praedecâ—…ssours Nor are such legal establishments if not of right of Princelie favour to becast away in complement Nor were they to make an unnecessarie distance out of forme when the material meaning of their vicinitie to the throne was the neare concernment of their counsel to the King Orthodoxe Monarchs as well as Papists having doubting consciences and orthodoxe Bishops as good abilities to resolve them I have not heard they crowded much or quickened their pace to get the doore of the Earles c. Their Provincial that with much humilitie and respect unto their H. H. tookeit was lead to it by the hand that had exalted them or their progernitours But for the reason of praecedence which I guesse to be your meaning you were best review the Heralds office and reforme it Poorpâ—…dants are not to be reproached for making a litle diocese of their Schooles Priests being charged to make such of their houses and from the experimental regiment of boyes raising their abilities by honest endeavours to the meriting an higher Episcopate of men Nor their conscientious demeanour in that office to be aesteemed the arrogancie of their order if it move Kings to commit the white staves to the crosiar and great seales to be under the keyes of the Church The most capricioâ—…s of them all and most contentious for the honour which I thinke were none but such as did you too much service when they had it were many straines below your Presbyterie of Knoxes Bruces c. Who have contested with Kings for their Scepters which with white staves and seales they brought under the pedantike jurisdiction of their rod. Never have Bishops so ruffled it as many base borne Presbyters with the secret Counsel To whose Consistories all Courts of Iustice were faine to doe homage the greatest Lords of the land become subordinate Elders to the parson of their parish It 's not so long that yet it can be forgoten since a most violent and malicious man call'd the Goodman of Earlstounne aclient of the E. Argile for interrupting of divine service forceable overturning the Communion Table in his Parish Kirke thâ—…eatning and abusing the Minister with many other such enormous crimes was fined but the fine never exacted by the High Commission and confined for a season The E. Argile complain'd of his hard usâ—…ge to the Lords of Counsell and enformed against the Bishop of Galloway that he promised to him somewhat which he had not perfâ—…rmed The Bishop denied the promise gainsayd what the Earle alledged whereupon sayd the Earle If you say so 't is as much as if I lie The Bishop modestlie replied I doe not say so but I beseech your Lp. to call your selfe beter to minde you will finde it as I say This is giving the lie because he would not take it on himselfe and ruffling with a great Lord because he would not be ruffled out of a just vindication of the truth yeild his consent that a Counsel Table should approve turning the communion table out of the Church The Reviewers should doe well to bring in his accounts fuller when he reckons with Bishops for braving of Noblemen All Presbyterians are heterodoxe to all good Catholike Christians with whom Episcopacie is so necessarie a truth as next to the divine institution Vniversalitie Vbiquitie and perpetuitie can render it Confingant tale aliquid haeretici nihil promovebunt Could your invention feigne such authoritie to Presbyterie yet your doctrine would diversifie you into a sect What the Bishops following words cleare shall not one whit be clouded by any obscuritie in my replie though the strongest eradiations that come from them would
the pit that should encounter him the cocke crowed no more and with the Brethrens good liking the controversie ceased Till afterward on good occasion a Member offering to prove there was no such thing in the Christian world before Calvins dayes the Moderatour learnedlie confuted him saying His father while he liv'd was of another minde The E. Argile who was surprized as he sayd at the sodain rupture of this Assemblie held the Members a litle while by the eares with his argument of convenience telling them He held it fit the Assemblie should consist of Lay-men aswell as Churchmen Take this with you Your Assemblie Ministers are chosen by the lay Elders your Moderatours some times are laymen a course not justifiable by law praecedent or reason The Kings Majesties person or in his absence his high Commissioner is there onelie you tell him to countenance not vote in your meetings and proesides in them for exernal order not for any intrinsecal power So that when you goe on calmelie in your businesse he findes litle to doe without Domitians flie-flap of more use by farre in a summer Synod then a Scepter among you which you often times wrest out of his hand and continue your meetings after he hath dissolv'd them You can denie him or his commissioner the sight of publike papers brought into the Court which libertie the meanest subject may challenge And when he hath any thing to object against suppositions or at best suspicious Registers the E. Rothes can tell him boldlie in your names he must speake it praesentlie if at al and because he doth not you wait no longer but pro imperio vote them to be authentike Beside to deminish as well the Kings state as authoritie you send Assessours or Assistants to your Elders and invest them with power aequivalent to his Councel This meeting thus disordered sits too long by a moneth when no more and Assembles too often when but once in a yeare The number of such Members no more hindereth an appeale then a multitude of Malefactours can sentence a necessitie of becoming their followers in doing evil Their wisdome is such as his to whom a wiser man tells us it is a sport to doe mischief Their eminencie like Sauls head and shoulders higher then the common people in Rebellion And their honour somewhat like Absoloms mule beares them up to the priviledge of the great oake in the wood for their hanging in beter aequipage then their fellowes So that beside the justice there 's an absolute necessitie of appeal to the Parliament or in that to the King from himselfe to himselfe who sits there as supreme here in no other capacitie but of your servant Which is farre more justifiable and necessarie then vour appeale from both Parliament and Assemblie to the bodie of the people which I tell you againe is the final appeale you make when Assemblies are not modell'd to vour minde The number and qualification of Knights and Burgessesis therefore large and as great in your Assemblie as Parliament that your power may be as large and great in the State as the Church and the Nobilitie sit in one by election because they sit in the other by birth and so in a condition to unite the counsels of both according to the instructions of some few Presbyters that by Sycophantike insinuations have got possession of their soules and by their Spiritual Scepter dominion of their suffrages Headie zeale craft and hypocrisie got in commission or Covenant together we finde by experience can fit them to judge in Ecclesiastike affaires when age wisdome and pietie are sentenc'd If ihe hundred choyce unparliamentarie pastours make up the oddes of some absent Noblemen it should seem you and the Nobilitie are even pares cum paribus Peeres alike in your honourable Assemblie Which they must not disdaine since Christ himselfe I meane not his Anoynted that you take to be out of quaestion goes but for a single Elder or Moderatour at most So Cartwright and his Demonstratour cajoles them together when he sayth If they the Princes and Nobles should disdaine to joine in consultation with poore men they should disdaine not men but Christ himselfe So that Christ being in his name made your Assembly Praesident or Prolocutour the King in his Commissioner your protectour the Nobilitie your awâ—…full subvoters or suffraganes I see nothing wanting can conciliaâ—…e a tyrannie to your Presbyterie nor keep your foot of pride from trampling as basely as may be upon the people But not to forget at last what you set in the front as first to be answered The Presbyterian course as you or I more trulie have describ'd it is not much more readie then the Praelatical because the benefit of appeale is to be had ordinarilie but once or twice in a yeare not much more solide because most of your Iudges can reasonablie be thought neither good Civilians nor Casuists not much more aequitable because as you order them many more of the laitie then Clergie In the second hurt your Nobilitie sustaine the Bishop lookes not upon the judgement of foreigne Reformed Devines you doe not say of Churches nor yet on their practice which I have know'n some time a great deale too sawcie with Princelie Patrons but upon the aequity of the thing upon the priviledge our Nobles in England enjoy the right yours have to the same by many yeares praescription and the lawes of your land The first will be found if the original be searched The right of patronage being by the due gratitude or favor of Kings Bishops reserved to such as either built Churches or endowed them with some considerable revenue as likewise for the encouragement of others to propagate meanes and multiplie decent distinct places for Christian conventions Hoc singulari favore sustinetur ut allectentur Laici invitentur inducantur ad constructionem Ecclesiarum The exercise hereof in Iustinian is expressed by the termes Epilegein or onomazein which signifies an addiction or simple nomination to stand good or be null'd at the â—…ust pleasure of the Bishop and therefore accounted no spiritual act in the Patron but a temporal annexed to that which is spiritual in the Bishop and therefore not simonaical as your brother Didoclave would have it Nor is there that absurditie he mentions of arrogating to one what belong to all the Members of the Church as is praetended but can never be proved Nor that danger in transmitting this right from one to another if the care of the first patron descend not with it which defect the care of the praesent Bishop must supplie Nor is it requisite he should be a Member of the same parish to which he praesents since the Bishop is head of the same diocese to whom That this is contrarie to the libertie of the Primitive and Apostolike Kirke to the order which Gods word craves and good order is onelie sayd but not argued in
Presbyterians is more then in Bishops and ceremonies 199 The Sc. Discipline omits what the ancient Canons had among the cases of Ministers deprivation What it hath conconcernes more Presbyters then Praelates 67 It playes the tyrant over the consciences of the people 124 Divine attributes proâ—…aned in asscribing them to the Discipline and Assemblie Acts. 100 ovenanters missetake the Discipline for Christs institution 180 â—…o legal establishment in Scotland of the first booke of Discipline 18 K. Iames's consent to the second booke of Discipline how improbable 24 They anticipate the law in the exercise thereof 27 The English Discipline long since setled by law in Scotland aud our Liturgi there used 1â—…3 That of the Pr. Scots obtruded upon England Ibid. Divine right pleaded for Presbytere frustrates all treaties 96 Episcopacie wants no Discipline aequivalent to that in the Scotish Presbyterie 175 Our doctrines about real praesence justification free will final apostasie praedestinatîon breifâ—…ie touched And a quaestion propounded about Davids case 98. 99 Dowglasse that murdered Capt. I. Stuart kill'd in Edenburgh high street 21 E. OUr Episcopacie not reputed Antichristian by other Reformed Churches Ans. to Ep. Ded. 3. 50 K. Ch. I. suspended the jurisdiction of Episcopacie in Scotland for no crimes No full and free Parliament that voted it downe in England 9 Episcopacie no obstruction to the Kings peace Why it may not be lay'd aside 40 What right it hath to become unalterable 94 The reasons of K. Ch. I. well bottom'd 95 Some particulars about the historie of Scotish Episcopacie 111 Abolition of Episcopacie is not that which will ever give the Pr. Scots satisfaction 165 K. Ch. I. in his largest concessions yeilded not unto it 188 The assertours of the Magistrates just power misse call'd Erastians by the Reviewer 6 Erastusâ—…s Royal right of Church government can not untie the Kings conscience if streightned Noâ—… is that onelie it the Bishops praetend to 97 The Sc. Discipline exempts not Kings from being excommunicate 57 Excommunication not mean'd by delivering up to Satan 110 Ignorance no ground for the execution of it 172 The Scotish Presbyters practice touching excommunication litle lesse rigid then their canon 227 The inconveniences that follow to be imputed rather to the Kircke then State 128 Impunitie no good ground for excommunication 61 The Kings pardon quitting poenitent malefactours 65 F. SCotish Presbyters much too busie in private families 175 Fayth not so common if such a grace as ordinarilie it is defined 201 Church Festivals not legallie abolished in Scotland 18 Crueltie toward fugitives 129 G. GIbson's insolent speaches unto the King 21 The Assemblie's juggling in his case 52 Gilespie's theoreme for resisting Magistrates disclaimed by no Assemblies The substance of it the sense of many 37 The King why concerned to be cautelous in his grants to the Presbyterian Scots 5 The Bishops Office entirelie authorized in the Assemblie at Glasgow 1610. 23 H. THe proceedings against D. Hamilton's late engagement discussed 70. 71. c 115. 117. c. Mr. Henderson's speach of Bishops 199 E Huntley's case truelie related 61 I. K. Iames a greater Anti Presbyterian then Anti-Erastian 64 The Praelates title to Impropriations and Abbey lands beter then that of Presbyters 137 Presbyterian indulgence in cases of sedition and rebellion 47 Their monstrous ingratitude for the too liberal graces of K. Ch. I. 104 The Kings concessions to the Irish more justifiable then the other could be to the Scotish Presbyterian demands 146 The Pr. Scots endeavours to impose their Discipline upon England 5 The Assemblie at Westminster having no power to authorize it 6 Many of the Presbyteries in Scotland have very unfit unable Iudges 174 Iurisdiction Ecclesiastical floweth from the Magistrate 34 Sc. Presbyters usurpe Civile jurisdiction 69 No power of jurisdiction in what the Reviwer misse interprets the Church 108 Nor in a companie met together 109 K. THe election of a King not originallie justifiable in any people â—…64 K. Ch. I. not inclinable though by counterfeit promises praevail'd with to cast himselfe upon the Presbyterian Scots Ans. to Ep. Ded. 12 His writings not interlined by the Bishops The Reviewers commendation of them unawares Ibid. 6 K. Ch. II. hath expressed no inclination to the Covenant If any praeventivâ—… disswasion of His Majesties from 〈◊〉 hath been used by the Praelatical partie it was a dutifull act of conscience and prudence 149 His Majestie can not so easilie will not so readilie grant what his Royall Father denied 191 Scots Presbyterians never seriouslie asscribed any good intentions to K. Ch I. nor 2. 197 L. MOre learning under Episcopacie then Presbyterie 150 The King supreme Legislatour 193 The Bishops share in making lawes as great as any one of the three Estates Ibid. Our Liâ—…urgie why read A parallel of it with primitive formes fiter then with the Breviarie 156 The Church of Scotland hath had a liturgie not onelie for helpe but practice 160 The Presbyterians hypocritical use of it 161 M. THe Magistrates definitive judgement in Synods owned by the Reformed Divines both Praelatical and Presbyterian 28 Sc. Presbyterie will have Magistrates subject to the Kirke 120 Presbyters why against clandestine marriages 166 Consent of Parents how to be required Ibid. No obedience due to them commanding an unjust marriage 169 The Bishops cautelous in giving license for clandestine marriages 170 Gods mercie in praeserving Arch-Bishop Maxwel falsified by the Reviewer 3 The businesse about the Spanish Merchants sophisticated 80 Sc. Presbyters controllers in the Militia 79 The power of it in the King 186 Pâ—… Ministers rebellious meeting at Mauchlin moore 119 They exceed their commission 121 Their power with the people dangerous to the government 122 Their rebellious proceeding in the persecution of Arch-Bishop Montgomerie and Arch-Bishop Adamson 43 The murders other prodigious impieties acted by the Sc. Presbyterians in prosecution of their ends 82 The scale of degrees whereby they asscended to the murder of K. Ch. I. 38 Which might have been foreseen by their propositions never repealed 76 Murder may be pardoned by the King who hath been petitioned in that case by the Disciplinarians themselves 60 N. THe King 's negative voyce justified as well in Scotland as England 77 What is the power of his affirmative 78 The Sc. Presbyters gave the occasion and opportunitie for the Nobles to get the Ecclesiastike revenue The Episcopacie more then titular they kept up 15 Presbyterie more oppressive to the Nobilitie Gentâ—…ie then Praelacie 130 Noblemen why chosen Elderâ—… 131 Where such how slighted by the Presbyters 139 O. SC. Presbyters assume the arbitration of oeconomical differences 68 The Officers appointed by Christ in his Church need not be restrained to the number of five Nor those taken to be the same the Presbyterians would have them 106 The Officials Court a more compâ—…ent Iudicatorie then the Classical Presbyterie 132 No power of ordination in the Presbybyterie 108. 142 No comfortable assurance but from Apostolical
His Lordship brings nnto your doore As fine as here you make your selfe for the triumph out of every wing you plucke you will by by be at a losse for your victorie must then weare your blew cap without a feather For that you may know my meaning His Lordship can afford you no such pretie thing as the antichronisme you lay hold on He sayth not That statute of treason was in being in the yeare 1580. And his Printer you might see had done him so much right as to set a number 4. yeares older directlie against the place where it is mention'd His Lordships words are these Which ridiculous ordinance was maintain'd stiffelie by the succeeding Synods notwithstanding the statute That it should be treason to impugne the authoritie of the three Estates The plaine sense whereof is this The succeeding Synods to the yeare 1584. maintain'd it stiffelie And not onelie they but likewise the succeeding Synods afterward notwithstanding the statute then made That c. Yet not to be too literal That there should be three Estates to whom your brethren presented their Assemblie Acts as they did by the King them to be confirmed even before the yeare 1580. yet That to impugne the authoritie of the three estates or to procure the innovation or diminution of any of them should have no statute nor law to make it at least interpretative treason is a peice of politikes that Iapan nor Vtâ—…pia will never owne nor any man that is civiliz'd in submission to government beleeve The businesse of appeales we are to meet with in the chapter following so farre you shall have leave to travaile with the counterfeit credit of that untruth What you make here such a positive consent of Lundie the Kings Commissioner in that Assemblie even now went no farther then a suspense in silence where all you found was That it appear'd not he apposed And how that might be I there gave you my conjecture In the next Assemblie 1581. the Kings Commissioner Caprington was not so hastie to erect in His Majesties name Presbyteries in all the land The businesse was this The King sends him Cuningham with letters to the Assemblie at Glasgow to signifie That the thirds of the Ecclesiastical revenues upon the conference had between his Commissioners those which they had before sent from Dundee were not found to be the safest maintenance for the Ministrie they having been so impair'd in twentie yeares before that nothing of certaintie could appeare That thereupon had been drawn a diagrame of several Presbyteries whereby a division of the greatest parishes was to be made a uniting of the lesse to the end that the Ministers might be with more aequalitie maintained and the people more convenientlie assemble'd That His Maâ—…estie had determined to sent letters to several of his Nobilitie in the Countrey to command their meetings and counsel here about This he did not till the next summer nor was any thing effected diverse yeares after The conventions of the Ministrie were to be moderated by every Bishop in his Dioecesse who was by agreement to praeside in the Presbyteries with in his limits So that the modelling Presbyteries was onelie for setling a convenient revenue upon the Ministers so farre was it from abolishing Episcopacie that the Bishops were to have the managing the affaire It would not have cost you nor your printer much paines to have put in what hapened before the yeare 1584 The opposition against your abuse hereof by the Bishops Montgoinerie Adamson His Majesties discharging by proclamation the Ministers conventions Assemblies under paine to be punished as Rebeils publishing them to be unnatural subjects seditious persons troublesome unquiet spirits members of Satan enemies to the King the Commonwealth of their native Countrey charging them to desist from preaching in such sort as they did viz. against the authoritie in Church causes against the calling of Bishops c. removing imprisoning inditing them c. Which put you upon the desperate attempts of surprizing and restraining His Majestie 's person whereof otherwhere So that the King you see had very good preparatives to purge his Kingdome of such turbulent humours before Captain Stuart put him in minde to make use of that physike Which Captaine Iames was no such wicked Courtier when the saints in behalve of the Discipline set him up to justle with Esme Stuart Lord Aubignie for the nearest approach unto Royal favour This Parliament 1584. was summon'd with as loud a voyce as any other was as open as the sun at Edenburgh could make it Nor was Captain Stuarts crime about it such as to denominate his exile the vengeance of God which was wrought in the eyes of the world by your rebellion Nor his death by Dowglasse's high way murder aveng'd afterward in alike terrible destruction that in Edenburgh high street where sanguis sanguinem tetigit bloud touched bloud though I dare not as you doe judge for reward nor divine such ambiguous cruelties for money being no Priest nor Prophet as you are to the heires of those bloudie soulders in Micah chapt 3. I dare not say that it either was the fingar of God though he imploy not the hand of his power to restraine them Rev. ........... these acts of his Parliament the very next yeare were disclaimed by the King c. Ans. They were not disclaimed the 21 of December the next yeare when James Gibson being question'd for disloyal speaches about them before His Majestie his Councel very impudentlie told the King he was a persecutour for maintaining them and compar'd him to Ieroboam threatned he should be rooted out conclude that race His confidence was in the returne of the banish'd Rebel-Nobles who forced all honest men from the Court possessed themselves of His Majesties person acted all disorder in his name This was the regular restoring of Presbyterie Which to say was never more removed to this day in that sense you must speake it is to abuse the ignorance of some new convert you have got in the Indies who it may be at that distance know not that Bishops had the visible Church government in Scotland for about theirtie yeares together since that time Rev. The Warners digression to the the perpetuitie of Bishops in Scotland c. Ans. The perpetuitie of their order in that Kingdome is no disgression in this place where His Lordship shewes your practical contradiction in pulling downe Episcopacie with one hand yet seting it up though under the name of Superintendencie with the other The sequestring their revenue altering their names pruning off some part of their power he takes to be no root branch ordinance for the deposition of their office or utter extirpation of their order This he asserts to be the greatest injurie your malice could ever hitherto bring about therefore goes not one step
out of his way to let you know That Bishops have been perpetual in your Church Nor doe you out of yours but keep the same path of truth you began in in acquainting us with the antiquitie of Presbyters who it should seem are terrae filii that sprung up in Scotland like so many mushromes the next night after Christianitie came in Though he that is read in your opinions actions will take it for granted that you must pay the acknowledgement of your Presbyterie to the Sanhedrin your sects conversion to the Iewes If you will impudentlie crowd it into the companie of the first Christians that came into Scotland you can not denie but that for some part of the Centuries you speake of it was confin'd to the monkes colls never came to clamour at the Court the poore Culdiis with a great deale more humilitie pietie then the Covenanters caried it in their cowles Rev. .......... after the reformation there was no Bishop in that land Ans. The reformation you meane began the day before or after the Greeke Calends if you will helpe me to an account of the one I shall know how to order the aera of the other Many yeares confusion there was of Poperie Presbyterie Superintendencie The reform'd Episcopacie could never get ground till King James set it forward then it went not far before it met with your violent encounter by Sword Covenant which never suffered the crowne nor Miter to stand long unshaken till both were held up by the Armes of England the Kings person secure at a distance to command you That ever such a thing as reformed Presbyterie according to the Canon in your Discipline had the free positive consent of King Parliament without which it can not legallie passe for the Religion of your Kingdome I denie to be visible any where in your storie Rev. ...... till the yeare 1610. Ans. That yeare did indeed complete the Episcopal power which King James had by degrees piouslie industriouslie promoted many yeares before Rev. ........ When Bancroft did consecrate three Scots Ministers c. Ans. A brother of yours tells us they were consecrated by Bishop Abbot As evil as their report was the men were not so bad as their names need be in charitie conceled They were Iohn Spotswood Andrew Lamb Gawin Hamilton Bishops of Glasgow Brechen Galloway Who enjoy now their reward in heaven for the reviling they had on earth it being for Gods sake his Church according to our Saviours promise St. Matth. 5. 11. The first was a man for zeale to the Church fidelitie to the King prudence in Government constancie under affliction singular inimitable indeed for his excellent gifts onelie hatefull to the Disciplinarians though especiallie because he through long experience was of all Scotish men best acquainted with ablest to detect their crosse wayes to the King all Soveraigne Magistracie He died piouslie peaceablie at Westminster in the second yeare of this rebellion was buried in the Abbey Church The second was a great affiduous preacher even when he was blinde through extreme age He also died in peace with the good report of all except these calumniatores who hold that no Bishop can be an honest man whose invention is so rich of nothing as reproaches against better men then themselves The third was a reverend Praelate of great parts singular learning a most constant preacher who lived in peace died in his bed Rev. ...... that violent Commissioner the Earle of Dunbar Ans. His violence did not carie him beyond his Commission because he executed that upon the rebellious Aberdene Assemblers would not take off some of his kindred or acquaintance who were in the jurie that deliberatelie cast them in their verdict nor intercede for their stay in Scotland being desir'd you here meet with him at the Synod of Glasgow Which being at large prov'd legitimate in every circumstance required by law is in vaine condem'd as null by your faction Nor was it corrupt in any more then three members of about 140. who being rotten drop of from the close union harmonious suffrage of the rest Rev ........... got authorized in some part of the Bishops office Ans. I hope you will not denie that Bishops were authorized to ordaine in this Synod And into how many particulars their power of jurisdiction was branched your brother very pittifullie complaines ......... jurisdictio in omnibus offendiculis sive in doctrina sive in moribus .......... Armantur ..... potestate exauctorandi ministros suspensionis censuram irâ—…ogandi excommunicationem decerâ—…endi c. you may reade the rest then tell us what part of their office was left out Rev. Superintendents are no where the same with Bishops much lesse in Scotland Ans. That they are aequivalent to Bishops is evident by the conformitie in their offices power The particulars whereof His Lordship recites out of the fourth sixt heads of your 1. Book Discipl To which upon my Review I could adde some more if those were not enough Their ambulatorie commission was no other then our Bishops ambulatorie visitation If your onelie in the time before have any influence here exempt them from all duties in their visitation buâ—… preaching the word c. you cut of three parts of their injunction in the Discipline If they were onelie as you say for a time it concernes you to tell us where they ceas'd denie there were any since or ever shall be more but upon some future new plantation in your Churches Being pressed about obtruding your Discipline you tell us For the Eâ—…clesiastike enjoyning of a general Assemblies decrees a particular ratification of Parliament is unnecessarie Which holds not where the particular decrees of your Assemblie transgresse the general intent of that Act whereby you are authoriz'd to meet That relates to the times and matters to be treated of In the former you are limited to custome or praescription In the later to the doctrine discipline receiv'd Which are therefore ratified in such Acts together with your Assemblies Presbyterie Sessions that obedience might be render'd upon the visible conformitie of your decrees injunctions to that rule But to make any Act of Parliament so general as to ratifie at adventure all possible arbitrarie commands of your Assemblie to the altering of the doctrine or discipline established were to praecontract affinitie with all sects haeresies to enter into an implicite league or Covenant with the Devil about his worship so it may be de futuro ad placitum Synodi generalis Let me put this case suppose a general Assemblie should by an Ecclesiastical decree enjoyne the canons of that Antichristian government against which you praetend your discipline is framed Whether or nâ—… is that injunction authentike upon the general A of Parliament for their Assembling
observations which you cannot denie and yet dare not acknowledge and therefore say nothing but worke in a whimzie of his excursions upon his owne friends not any of whom approve the injustice the irrationalitie much lesse imitate the cueltie of your practice The Popish Praelates are not so neare allied unto the Doctour nor doe they need to be taken into his protection The English are and can vindicate themselves against you for admitting to the holie tubâ—… with signes of repentance without Ecclesiastike publike satisfaction murtherere that are either quit by their jurie or have their pardon sealed by the King whoreâ—… that either are spared out of hopeâ—… of amendment or have had the whip at Bridewell and theeves burn'd in the hand at Newgate or sau'd by the benefit of their Clergie And this upon beter grounds then the Presbyters denie them communion with those who as much as they make up their mouthes dare not take up a stone to cast at them The Doctoâ—…r knowes his owne meaning and plainelie speakes it And they must be very ignorant or worse that are not of his minde or rather of St. Pauls which I take to be this That when a man shall without visible hypocrisie say be hath examin'd himselfe he is not to be againe examin'd by the Classe but may eate of that bread and drinke of that cup That when he hath judged himselfe he should not be judged That when he is judg'd he is chastened of the Lord not condemn'd and executed by the Kirke Your interrogatorie or argument a minore ad majus in case of Scandal is defective untill you render a just definition of scandal applicable to all where in your discipline doth instance After which having made your scale of degrees your antecedent requires your proofe viz. That small scandals are to be purg'd away by that repentance that here is in quaestion between us Had I ever read of any Presbyter in Scotland what I have of â—…abian once Bishop of Rome That he was chosen by the extraordinarie descent of a dove upon his head I might charitablie hope sor some spirit of meekenesse among the brethren of the Discipline and have some litle credulitie that the want of gall in any one of the number might qualifie the exuberance and overflowing biternesse in the rest But when I meet with such tragike Histories of their implacable furie and see every where their unjust judgement running downe like a torrenâ—… and their unrighteous rigour like a mightie streame I can put litle trust in the slender banke of Master Baylies professions in behalfe of his Presbyterie from whom expect as litle mercie as truth and as litle Christian righteousnesse as peace The Warner can not be ignorant of your Scotish wayes while his eyes are open to reade them in your bookes or his eares to heare them in very credible reports He that lives in Scotland and never seeth the execution of that censure must betake himselfe to the mountaines converse in some corner with those creatures who know as litle of excommunicating by as they ever did of communicating with a Church For the 47. yeares halcion dayes that you have seen of which from your birth which you so superstitiouslie mention you must give us leave to abate at least one or two as praegnant in knowledge and as quicke an Intelligencer as you could be in your cradle and about 30. of 40. more wherein the curst blacke cowes had short hornes the Presbyterian severitie being regulated by the Bishops who caried the badge of clemencie aswell as innocencie on their armes the great citie you liv'd in must be taken for the onelie bright Mercie seate in your Countrey while the sun of righteousnesse did never arise otherwhere but turn'd his face away from it as a land of darkenesse full of cruel hibitations As touching the two censures you acknowledge had the profanesse in the papist and the horrible scandâ—…t in the Prâ—…lates been priviledg'd as much in the punishment with a proxie as they say the more true and more horrible scandal in a brâ—…her of the Commission the rod of that furie had passed upon the backes of the fooles in your Citie as for the lustie Presbyters delinquencie I have heard your excommunication was executed upon the Nodie-Innocents in his parish If you goe no farther then Saint Pauls câ—…and 2. Thes. 3. 14. You should denounce no publike excommunication in the Church but diates epistoles semeiouâ—…thai by private leters signifie his fault You should have no companie nor familiaritie with him that he may be ashamed not forbid every man to sell him bread that he may be sterved You should admonish him as a brother not count him as an enemie commanding him to be reputed as accursed delivered to the devil Much lesse should you arrogate the praerogative of God if not a greater in visiting the sinne of the father upon the children such it may be as hate you not denying them baptisme till they come to be of age c. And to shew what good Angels you are after sentence pronounced you dismisse not the Congregation before they have sung with you the 100. Psalme a Psalme of exultation whereby as much as may be you rejoyce at the confusion of a sinner Nor is your reserve of litle kindnesse very constant in permitting the excommunicate the companie of them that are â—…ied by natural bonds unto him when the sharpenesse of your censure cut ' these bonds with-held this indulgence from Master Iohn Guthrie Bishop of Murray to whom when he lived in Angus you denied the comfort and conversation of his brother though a preacher of a parish thereabout For the inconveniences that follow how powerfull hath been the influence of the Church upon the State in such Acts of Parliament as are made consequential to their Acts of Assemblies may be guessed by the frequent servile submission to the tyrannie of their papers In the Parliaments where your Princes were ever praedominant it can not be thought they would ratifie an Act so destructive to their owne strength in the diminution of their subjects as to set the heads of wolves upon the shoulders of men and for such trivial faults as the Bishop mentions antecedent to your censure with leters of horning expose them to be worried by dogges For this crueltie may your Church be deservedly challenged and that by Proelates who gave no such customarie allowance to thier officials to excommunicate as appeares by the caution in the Canon 1571. Nullus horum nec Cancellarius nec Commissarius nec Officialis in cognitione causarum procedes usque ad serendam sententiam excommunicationis nisi tantum in causis instantiarum And in the Canon 1604. If the delinquent made his appearance and after processe was to be censured the official was not to pronounce the sentence but the Bishop nullam ejusmodi sententiam pronunciari volumâ—…s praeterquam per Episcopum c. Nor were
a Cobler together while your prickeard Pastour keepes the goad in his hand to quick en their dull pace and drive them into Rebellious Covenants and so to their shame and destruction The Iudge in our Officials Court is to be no petie mercinarie lawyer but a Doctour that hath approved his skill in our Civile lawes before one of our learned universities thereby supposed to have beter abilities to judge then any Nobleman Gentleman Burgesse one or more except some select persons who by studie may have attained to some excellence in that facultie where with neither by birth nor education they are know'n to be ordinarilie qualified unlesse Dame nature in Scotland hath some faeminine moldsin every parish for your Elders or some Seraphical fathers to breed their children by the rod or institution of the Spirit But to returne to our Doctour From his single sentence appeale may be made to a Court of Delegates consisting of a number the most learned and in humane opinion the most up right law yers in the land Which can be taken for no miserable reliefe being the highest Court constituted by the authoritie of the King where if not His Majestie in person his immediate Commissioners are Iudges Your twice a yeare Synods seem somewhat unnecessarie if intended principallie for receiving appeales your Classical Presbyteries consisting of persons as you praetend of such sinceritie honour somewhere as I remember Didoclave tells us they have litle worke which if well examin'd hapeneth not so much by reason of the aequitable proceedings in inferiour judicatures as from the assurance which persons oppressed have to meet with the same measure from the same men that are the Members of your Synods who know well enough how to gratifie one another in the mutual ratification of the particular sentences pass'd before The Primitive Synods found other worke praeserving in their Provinces the puritie of doctrine uniformitie in practice trusting Bishops in their Dioceses except in singular cases with the censures of persons redresse of grievances Yet whatsoever convenience may be in it our Episcopal twice a yeare visitation may parallel If the chiefe Noblemen c have decisive voyces in your Synods they gaine that priviledge by their birth or estates to neither of which is inseparably annexed wisdome pietiâ—… learning the three gifts or spirits you require in your Iudges How farre private instructions and interests praevaile with your Presbyteries in their elections to exaucto rate all the good qualifications in the competition of Candidates the records of your Edenburgh Tables at the begining of this Rebellion can justifie Though were their Honourable heads gaged and concluded capacious to hold no lesse then a tunn of wisdome learning and their armes clasped upon the embrace of the whole sisterhood of zeale vertue and grace with all other abilities requisite to your Elders your Presbyteries full approbation and choyce could not authorize them to suffrage in a Synod whereto of old they had no admission but as in the Second Councel of Orange when sent thither by the King I shall not insist upon the comparison or disparitie between them inferiour Civile Court Judges in whom no parts are wanting to the execution of their place in whose choyce the Canon of their institution is observed All hopes of redresse by appeale from your Synods to a General Assemblie are crush'd in the shell by your underhand violence in election of Members and praelimitation of them that are chosen in their votes You remember the seven private directions sent to your Presbyteries before the Assemblie at Glasgow 1638. the fourth of which was That such as are erroneous in doctrine or scandalous in life be praesentlie processed that they be not chosen Commissioners and if they shall hapen to be chosen by the greater part that all the best affected both Ministers and Elders protest and come to the Assemblie to testifie the same By this tricke you not onelie praejudg'd or praecondemn'd the legal freedome in choyce but caus'd to be process'd all suspected to be of a different sense from that which you praedesign'd or praescrib'd to the Assemblie Thus the Presbyterie of Edenburgh put very many of their Ministers under processe begining with Master David Michel their proceeding against whom His Majesties Commissioner could not get deferred untill the meeting of the Assemblie Thus the Laird of Dun chosen Lay Elder for the Presbyterie of Brechen by the voyce but of one Minister and a few Lay Elders was accepted the Lord Carnaegie a Covenanter too but somewhat more moderate more lawfullie chosen by the voyces of all the rest was rejected There was another paper of instructions dated August 27. 1638. which is mors in olla the Collaquintada that spoyles all the pottage you bring us in this paragraph the Second of which is this Order must be taken that none he chosen ruling Elders but Covenanters and those well affected to the businesse so that parts for judgement wisdome pietie c are no considerable qualities in your Members of Assemblies when the Covenant and good inclinations to the businesse of rebellion can be found though but in Ideots Atheists The multitude of Burgesses Gentlemen is so great to some such good intent as this that you may praeponderate the Parliament in your laike votes and anticipate any just exception they can make against your Acts. The ground of their admission in your first reformation was a defect of Clergie which when once supplied had for 40. yeares possessed all the places till exchange was made at your Glasgow null Assemblie to doe the worke in hand The prime Nobilitie are not allwayes the men but such among them as are first in popular opinion and for that in your favour Your choyce of them is many times illegal when to serve your turnes you call them from one Presbyterie to another Yet when all is done you can pleade no praecedent from antiquitie for any more then a declarative consent no definitive sentence no decisive voyce the subscriptions in the Ancient Councels distinguishing the Clergie and Laitie in this maner Ego N. definiens subscripsi Ego N. consentiens subscripsi Those that at any time had greater priviledge if the words cited by your Bishop of Brechen must needs give it them Gloriosissimi edicunt Gloriesissimi Iudicos dixreunt were special Commissioners sent from the emperours not from any Presbyteries as he tells you and more to this purpose which you may answer as likewise what the Reverend Bishops objected in their Declinatour about Theodosius the yonger Pulcheria the Emperesse Martinius in the fourth General Councel of Chalcedon Master Andrew Ramsey undertoke an hard taske upon the top of his stool offering to prove the lawfulnesse of Lay Elders by Scripture Antiquitie Fathers Councels the judgement of all the Reformed Churches And therefore when His Majesties Commissioners offered to bring one into
your Discipline no more then by you when and to whom it became a grievance Your patience in enduring it goes for no heroical vertue being peevish enough soon after the Act of annexation had passed as appeares by your cariage in the Assemblie at Edenburgh 15â—…8 and turned into a Rebellious Conspiracie allthough painted with the name of a Parliament that now at last because it could not at first hath taken it away The Nobilitres losse of their Impropriaetions and Abbey lands is very confiderable when they bethinke themselves upon what false pleas and to what unconcern'd persons they must part with them Touching which as Sycophantike as is the Bishops accusation he 'll not abate a fig of his right for the Presbyters answer nor I a leter take which he will in exchange for his name Aedepol nâ—…gatorem lepidum lepidé hunc pactu'st .... Calophantam an sycophantam hunc magis esse dicam 〈◊〉 That the whole generation of the praelatike faction as your style it did hyperbolize in zealc against that which they call sacriledge is an argument they were all true bred no bastard children of the Church not so meane condition'd as to sell their spiritual birthright for potage Were your title as good which can appeare to be nothing but your rough hands and red soules with the bloud of the Martyrs of your owne making we should commend so farre as we act our selves your strugling aswell for the inheritance as primogeniture But when we compare our professions or evidences finde our brethren to say that the benefactours and founders of these Ecclesiastike possessions were true Christians though mistaken we thinke in many maters of doctrine and worship yours that that they were Members of Anti-Christ undoubted Idolaters and haeretikes Ours that the Churches which they endowed were Episcopal such as we continue them or to our utmost endeavour it From which you degenerate schismaticallie separating and arming your selves with all resolution rage to demolish beside what other advantage we may use of a nearer union uniformitie in religion more consonant to the minde of the doners at least if such as your malice doth render it litle thinking it may be to have it so unhapilie retorted in that which is the chiefe drift of all your rebelling and covenanting when we thinke of no other restitution but by the possessours consent when it may be transferred to us by the same supreme hand that confetr'd it on them out of which you no sooner get opportunitie and power but you violentlie ravisâ—… it calling Princes nobles sacrilegious robbers while they over-power you and deteine it I beleeve all our Religious and prudent Nobilitie will unanimouslie grant our plea more just our proceedings more moderate when God shall if ever touch their consciences not we the skirt of their estates and livelihoods with an humble feare that such an inheritance with-held from such a Church may be sacrilegious indeed with assurance that if it be so 't is finfull they will not value their lands at so deare a rate as to pay their soules for the purchase but with courage confidence in a blessing from God to be multiplied on their undevoted temporal possessions returne them to him the King I meane from whom they receiv'd them and be beter content that Episcopal Christians then Presbyterian counterfeits should repossesse them But if such of them as are not perswaded in conscience they are oblig'd to restore them upon the arguments we bring which would ne'r be convictive if our plea were no beter then yours shall adventure to leave the suit depending till the Court of heaven give final sentence upon it at their peril be it the Praelates their followers use no violence nor course of law here below to put them out of these their possessions no threats but those against sacriledge in Scripture searing this may be such no activitic but that of a swift charitie to catch hold of their soules and snatch them out of the snare when they finde them devouring the bate and to put them â—…nte vota before vowes upon making enquirie or if post vota to retract them Therefore such of the Nobilitie and Gentrie as were nakened hereby to take heed of their rights were best have a care they slumber not in the wrong and take Solomons counsel intended Prov. 16. 8. Beter is a litle with righteousnesse then great revenues without right But which requires the Readers advertence for you here to call those the rights of the Nobilitce and Gentrie which so many Assemblies have declar'd to belong jure divino to the Church which in your first booke of Discipline you tell them they had from theeves and murderers and hold aâ—… unjust possessions or indeed no possession before God which in your second you hold a detestable sacriledge before God For you to twit the Praelates with violence threats who are bound in Iohn Knox's bond not onelie to withstand the mercilcsse devoâ—…rers of the Church patrimonie ... but to seeke redresse at the hands of God man That declare the same obligation upon you to root out of the Kingdome aswell the monster of sacriledge as that of Episcopacie and so aswell the persons of most your Nobles as the Bishops For you to object a â—…ourse of law and activitie who by incessant demands and praeter legal devices never gave over till the lawes that annexed lands to the crowne were repealed For you to bragge of your last Parliament's confirmation of titles because your last Assemblie power could not reach beyond the destruction of patronages What is this but apertlie Sucophantein calophantein to fawne accuse dissemble destroy flater your with mouth while you spread a net for their fees and worke the ruine of their persons and estates If Noblemen once abase themselves to be Elders of every ordinarie Presbyteriâ—… it 's not to be doubted but evey ordinarie Presbyter takes himselfe for their fellow if not their superiour which they finde to their griefe Therefore all or most respect that they give to their gratious Ministers is alaâ—… a litle Court holy water cast on the flame of their zeale a sacrifice made for their owne securitie from your tongues and pennes and from the armes of the people that serve your warrants oft times in tumults upon their persons For the honour you pay them they are faine like wretches to morgage their conscience those that doe not gaine the honourable titles of Traytours of God are cashier'd your companie and then passe for no beter then honourable heathen publicans and sinners If they become not Truchmen between a single Presbyter and a Prince when he comes with his I require you in my name c. Before every charge no very humble forme as I take it they shall be called abusers of the world neutral livers at their pleasure if not shedders of Scotoh bloud And some that draw on
ourâ—… whose parsimonie or 〈◊〉 for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 was not that which advanced him a summe to make a purchase If the sulplusage of his revenâ—…e could â—…e it in a cheape and plentifull Countrey I know not who have beter title to 〈◊〉 theâ—… 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Though as I am informed where I may trust 〈◊〉 with a profess'd enmitie against his office whatsoever reserve of kindnesse was for his person This great 〈◊〉 you 〈◊〉 was the recoverie of lands 〈◊〉 taken and 〈◊〉 from the Church in the 〈◊〉 whereof â—…t he â—…pared no endeavour so it should â—…eem he was well rewarded with 〈◊〉 Allthough prating and praying non sense in the Church may well passe for a paraphrase on that which the preacher 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of 〈◊〉 Yet I wish that were the worst which Presbyterie brings when she sets her foot in the House of God and not another * of bewitching rebells mention'd by Samuel or treacherous K. K which the prophet Habakkuk calls 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the 〈◊〉 â—…o the not 〈◊〉 â—…king men as the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 â—…s the 〈◊〉 things that have no 〈…〉 1. Habak 14. In whose praying or preaching whereof doubtlesse we had the quintessence sent us by the Reviewer and his brethren of the mission what knowledge there is beside that conâ—…ing of texts of the Concordance helpt them to What 〈◊〉 but of the lips and the lungs neither mater nor method requiring their studie What conference when no doctrine was proved but by Scripoure wrested I am sure not to the salvation of the hearer I feare to somewhat worse of the speaker I leave to the testimonie of any knowing 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 person that at any time was there And for my selfe that was sometime seting aâ—…e all 〈◊〉 and prâ—…judice I will in the word of a Priest professe that I found 〈◊〉 But what else in the place of it is best know'n to God and my conscience 〈◊〉 â—…etit be to the world to be that which makes me tremble to thinke of their danger that shall adventure their 〈◊〉 in the 〈◊〉 of such hypocrisie and ignorance To the calumnies which this 〈◊〉 â—…shekal casts on our Church I answer 1. That a read 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the exercizâ—… of few and why it may not be of some aswell as a read chapter Psalme is of many where the Discipline takes place I know not Since care is taken that where they 〈◊〉 no necessarie 〈◊〉 is waâ—…ting Since none that are not in orders may reade it the office of prayer in the Congregation being as much a 〈…〉 the ordinance of preaching Since all that are have thereby no commission to gâ—… preach in your 〈◊〉 and why they may not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 administer the Sacrements conferring with and catechizing the ignorant according to their talent I see no reason Ite pradicate sending not all the Disciples up into a pulpit to make an houre or two's continued discourse New had Nations eves been converted nor Christians improv'd and confirmed if pradicate had been no otherwise order'd not one of an hundred having abilities to draw arguments out of sermons convictive of their judgements not all Presbyterians so good Logicians as to frame them And he that yeilds himselfe up to be caried with the streame of their words wind of their fancies may have as many changes in fayth as their are points different in Christianities compasse being like a child Clydonicomenos peripherâ—… as St. Paul speakes tossed to and fro and caried about ... by 〈◊〉 â—…right of men who are many thaâ—… 〈◊〉 in wait to deceive him Secondlie Your first Reformers made the same use of Readers as we doe of â—…n preaching Ministers and continued them as long as necessitie required nor shall we any longer if you can furnish us with as many learned preachers as we have pulpits them with stipends where are not tithes but impropriate proportionable to their abilities and paines To the Churches where no Ministers can be had praesentlie must be appointed the most apt men that distinctlie can reade the Common prayers and the Scriptures sayth your first Book Disc. It was the late labour of no 〈◊〉 of ours to disgrace preaching without booke who ever respected and cherished men whose praesence of minde and memoire served them to deliver gravelie and readilie what they had at leisure deliberated on and for the true benefit of their hearers digested into the clearest method and a domed with selected significant language before they came into the pulpit Those who having taken that paines yet wanted the other abilitie not in their power or some litle confidence to command it in publike they were at least to excuse and condemne such itching eares as would hearken unto no sound doctrine but when taught after their lusts and luxurious desires more for their pleasure then their use That they disparaged those of your tribe was no wonder who like your selfe that goe for one of the best consulted litle before hand with their bookes or thoughts onelie whet their tongues like their knives for a meale with which so they cut out bread for them selves they car'd not what contemptible fragments they cast among the people Of their best kinde of speaking We may say as Seneca of one not much unlike it Haec popularis oratio nihil habes veri mouere 〈◊〉 turbam 〈◊〉 aures impetu rapere tracâ—… sâ—… non prâ—…bet aufertur .... multum habet manitates vâ—…ni plus 〈…〉 It hath a great deale of vanitie and emptinesse in it more found then substance you may reade the whole epistle and learne I 'll warrant you to preach better by it if you afflect it For praying without booke all though without a command it may be indifferent you can bring no more for it then for praysing and you sing not all without booke as I remember they thought best a conformitie with Catholike Christians whose liturgies were ever read in their Churches and that I guesse besides some decencie it seemes to carie with it because they had great varietie of prayers in the exhibition of which a constant order was to be observed between and in them some varietie of gesture and ceremonious worship for direction in which they thought humane infirmitie subject to mistakes might have cause some times to consult by a glance the rubrikes every where inserted As for you that have naught else to doe but to turne over the tip of your tongue what comes next in your head and up the white of your eyes as if the balls were run in to looke after the extravagant conceptions of your braines a booke 's of no use though I wish we had one of all the profane and vaine babling amongst you that we might make such unskillfull workemen ashamed and shew our selves approved aswell to the world as to God The Praelates never cried up our Liturgie as the onelie service of God Who thinke him serv'd in some other Churches that have it not