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A34353 Considerations touching the late treaty for a peace held at Uxbridge with some reflections upon the principall occasions and causes of the frustration thereof : extracted out of the late printed full relation of the passages concerning it. Dugdale, William, Sir, 1605-1686. 1645 (1645) Wing C5920; ESTC R200044 28,388 39

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take or none Vnlesse they may have the whole Power of the Militia put into the hands of such Persons amongst themselves whom they shall nominate They will not heare of Peace Now if the Nomination of Commissioners for the Militia be deviced as the fittest Instrument in order to security of Sides as no doubt it is reason will that as the Feares are equall and reciprocall on both sides so should the securities be also And then what reason is there in the world that the King should not as well desire the sole Nomination of all the Commissioners of the Militia in order to His better Security from Them as that They should desire the sole Nomination of those Commissioners in order to their better security from Him Oh! there is great Reason they will tell us and such a Reason that we little thought on For This Power of the Commissioners whom they desire to Nominate without the King is not to be exercised by them untill a Peace be concluded upon the Treaty and then His Majesty will be fully secured by the Lawes of the Kingdome and by the duties and affections of His People If I understand ought the Result of that which is here said is this There are two wayes of securing both the King and the Kingdome when the Peace is once setled from those mutuall Feares and Iealoufies which the one hath of the other and they are these First the sole and whole Nomination of such a number of Commissioners that shall have power over all the Forces of this Kingdome both by Sea and Land that is one way and Secondly The benefit and use of the Lawes of the Land together with the Duties and Affections of the People to guard ones Person that is another way Now the justest and most equall way to divide this double Security between both Parties against their double Feares is this For Them to take the Sole Nomination of all Commissioners that shall have Power over all the Forces of the Kingdome both by Sea and Land and so secure the Kingdome this way and for Him to betake himselfe to the Lawes of the Land and the Duties and Affections of His People and so secure Himselfe that way But what if this way be neither just nor equall I have a just suspition upon it which I wish they would remove For I demand This Security which the Lawes of the Land and the Duties and Affections of the People can give either it is greater then that other Security which consists in the Sole Nomination of Commissioners or it is lesse or it is even and as commensurate in all parts and proportions as any two things can be That both these Securities are equall on all parts I believe they will not say because I know they never measur'd them for albeit they may reckon and number the strength of their Horses and their Armes yet they may not reckon and number the Aff●ctions and Hearts of the People or if they have numbred them and find them equall on all partes I hope I may say it 〈◊〉 not Incivility and I know They must 〈◊〉 It is not Injustice 〈◊〉 two Equall Securities for the King to Choose and then the matter is ended But if they say it is either greater or lesse then are the King and the Kingdom still in the very same Insecurities Feares and Iealousies which they were before and so these wayes which they have found out for mutuall securities do not reach their Ends and by consequence are not in reason to be insisted on For if the Laws of the Land and the Duties and Affections of the People be a lesser security to the King then the sole nomination of Commissioners is to the Parliament then is not He so secure from Feares and Iealousies from Them as They are from Him And if they be a greater security then are not they so secure from Feares and Iealousies from Him as He is from Them So that take these wayes how you please and they must needs prove either impossible or uselesse uselesse if one of the securities be greater or lesse then the other for then they doe not equally proportion the Securities unto the Feares Impossible if once they goe about to number the Hearts and Affections of the People and reckon upon them which commonly the greater sort of People themselves doe not truely know And as it is against Reason this Demand of Theirs so is it against Law The Power of Warre and Peace and the Managery of the Civill Sword being so rivetted and incorporated into the Crowne by the Fundamentall Lawes of this Land that without manifest Alteration in the very Foundation of this Government it cannot be distinguished and divided from it When They are told of this They tell us againe that this Demand of Theirs conteines no such Alteration as we speake off but Desires that which by the Wisedome of the Parliaments of both Kingdomes is judged necessary at this time for the security of His Majesties Kingdomes and preservation of the Peace now to be setled But if these words admit of any they must admit of one of these foure sences and let us see whither any one of them make a true Answer to that which hath been said For first either they must meane that to have had a Power and now to have it not is no Alteration and surely that is false for if a ●otion from being such to a not being such be a proper Alte●ation as the Philosopher telleth us it is Certainly to have the Sole Power of the Sword in ones handes is a being such and to have no Sword in ones Power is a not being such and so by consequence an Alteration Or Secondly they must meane that such an Alteration in the Government of the State which both the Parliaments of the Kingdome desire is not to be tearm'd an Alteration and truely that is true so long as both the Parliaments onely desire it but when They obtaine that desire then it is as perfect an Alteration as if it were made by Force and Violence as a man does as truely loose his money when he is cheated as he does when he is rob'd and then 't is false again Or in the third place Their meaning must be that that Alteration which is for the better namely the preserving of the Peace and securing of the Kingdomes and is judged necessary to that end by the wisedome of both the Parliaments that is not to be call'd an Alteration and if the other sense be false this cannot be true for it is all one in respect of the Truth and Nature of an Alteration in the Civill Body whither it be done in Passion and for the worse or in Iudgement and for the better as it is all one in regard of the Truth and Nature of an Alteration in the Naturall Body when he that was well the last minute and is ill the next whither he be made so sick either by his