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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A87231	The Quakers quaking: or, the foundation of their deceit shaken, by scripture, reason, their own mouthes at several conferences. By all which will appear, that their quaking, ministery, doctrine, and lives, is a meer deceit, and themselves proved to be the great impostors of these latter times: / by Jeremiah Ives.	Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674.	1656 (1656)	Wing I1103; Thomason E883_3; ESTC R207296	36,620	64

of God because he could prophesie I asked him of what He told me Of our breaking to pieces and dividing among our selves I told him That breakings and dividings had been and it was like might be among the Churches but unless he could precisely tell us when such disasters should befal us he was no more a Prophet then as the story goes the Fool who having seen many a rainy day did use to cry in fair weather because it would rain though he knew not when This was the sum of the first Conference Some dayes after I was at the Bull and Mouth at Aldersgate where at that time they had a Meeting at which Meeting the former Question was revived viz. Whether James Nayler was able to prove he was immediately sent of God for I told the people That the Light within me taught me not to quit my Religion to imbrace another that was able to shew no better not scarce so good proof for its Authority as either the Jew could for his Talmud the Turk for his Alcoran or the Pope for his Infallible Chair To this James Nayler reply'd that I said true that if they had no better proof for their authority then those they cried down they were not to be believed But saith he I will shew better proof and the first was That they were of God because they taught that the Faith by which a man was saved was the gift of God which saith he thou deniest I hereupon replied That to fall into that question How Faith might be Gods gift and how it might be acquired would lose the first question and therefore I told him That if Faith in his sense were the gift of God yet it did not follow that they that so preached were immediately sent of God My Reason was Because then all the Ministers of the Nation or at least the most part of them are immediately sent of God for they say both in opposition to the Pelagians as well as Papists That Faith is the gift of God So that if his words were put into a Syllogism they would run thus viz. Every one that preaches Faith is the gift of God is immediately sent of God But James Nayler preacheth so Ergo. But may not a a man as well conclude from the same premises Every man that saith Faith is the gift of God is immediately sent of God But the Ministery of the Nation and others whom thou criest down for Antichristian do preach so Ergo they are immediately sent of God If this be a true and undeniable Argument the thou art a Lyer in Folio to cry down these and others for Antichristian but if it be not true thou hast not proved the question for if some one may be Antichristian that preaches thus thou art as like to be he as any His next Argument was this viz. They meaning the Ministers of the Nation and others did but SAY so To which I replied He did no more He told us then that he could prove it further by their fruits I asked what were they He told me in the first place Their leaving their Countreys to go up and down to preach the Gospel To which I replied That this was to a greater degree found among the Jesuites who did travel to Rome for Orders and after come and preach here in England though there was a standing Law that made it Treason I question much if such a Law were against Quakers whether they would venture so much for their Religion as the Papists do and if they did they could not do more then lose their lives which the Jesuites frequently do Now I demand If this be a good Argument viz. They that leave their Callings and Countreys to preach are immediately sent of God to preach Whether the same premises doth not every whit as well prove if not much better That the Jesuites are immediately sent of God For what though Christs Apostles left their Countreys and Callings doth this prove that every one that doth so is Christs Apostle No the contrary to this is seen in Matth. 23.15 that the Pharisees did compass sea and land to make one proselyte and when be is made be is more the childe of the Devil then themselves The like proof you bring for they could not compass Sea and Land to make a Proselyte without leaving their countreys and if this proves the Quakers are sent of God immediately it as well proves the Pharisees were so sent Again we reade in the Acts of one that led into the Wilderness four thousand men This man also left his countrey By all this you may see that that which these men talk most of they can say least to viz. That they are immediately sent of God Again another Argument by which James Nayler would prove his immediate sending was grounded upon their denying themselves in point of Apparel To this I did answer First that many Orders of Fryars did deny themselves in matters of Apparel more then they who some of them will not wear their clothes of any other colour then wooll that comes off the sheep is of and save the charges of dying it others of them wear hair-shirts whereas you wear fine linen comparatively nay are they not generally known to be more self-denying both as to eating drinking and apparel marrying and other worldly delights then any of your Teachers how then for shame can you urge this as an Argument to prove your immediate call when the same is found among them whom you call Antichristian but these men will play at small game before they will give out * But if this be a good argument then every one of them are immediately sent of God to preach for they all are self-deniers in these things Another Argument was taken from the number of Proselytes they make which say they they have turned from darkness to light But as I said before how do they prove this for we doubt not but the Pharisees would have said as much of their Proselytes which were made more the children of the Devil then they were before But further and as I then told him some may be sent of God that may not turn people as Ezek. 33. and Isa 53.1 The Prophet saith Who bath believed our report Again I told him That as many might preach that God sent who might possibly not be received so multitudes might receive a man that God never sent * See Mat. 24.5 MANY shall come in my Name saying I am Christ and shall deceive MANY and that is rather a sign that God never sent you then that he did send you for Christ saith That he came in his Fathers Name but they received him not but he tells them If one should come in his own Name him that would receive And the Apostles themselve did shake the dust off their feet against some places that received them not But James Nayler saith That he never came to a place but be was received and converted