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A32204	Copies of two papers written by the late King Charles II together with a copy of a paper written by the late Duchess of York : to which is added an answer to the aforesaid papers all printed together.	Charles II, King of England, 1630-1685.; Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699. Answer to some papers lately printed concerning the authority of the Catholick Church.; York, Anne Hyde, Duchess of, 1637-1671.	1686 (1686)	Wing C2946; ESTC R29952	29,168	42

are so clear about it So far at least we have plain and positive Words of Scripture on our side And for Implications and far-fetch'd Interpretations commend me to the Pope's Bulls especially when they have a mind to prove their Authority from Scripture which they can do from In the beginning to the end of the Apocalypse But that which seems to be aimed at here is This is my Body wherein the words seem to be plain and positive on their side and our sense to be from Implications or far●fetc'h Interpretations To which I Answer That there are Expressions in Scr●p●ure as plain positive as this which none think themselves bound to understand in their literal sense For then we must all believe that God hath Eyes and Ears a Face Hands and Feet as firmly as that the Bread was then turned into Christ's Body when he spake those words And I would know whether the Christian Church rejecting the Doctrine of Those who made God to be like to Man was not chargeable with the same resisting the Truth and denying plain positive Words of Scripture as we are And yet I hope the Christian Church did then believe it self Suppose any should assert That the Rock in the Wilderness was really changed into Christ's Body would not he have the very same Things to say against those who denied it For are not the Words as plain and as positive That Rock was Christ But Sacramental Expressions by the consent of the Christian Church and the very Nature of the Thing are of a different sense from Logical Propositions And if this had been intended in the plain and literal sense St. Paul would never have as plainly and positively called it Bread after Consecration nor the Cup be said to be the New Testament in his Blood The Conclusion is Is there any other Foundation of the Protestant Church but that if the Civil Magistrate pleases he may call such of the Clergy as he thinks fit for his turn at that time and turn the Church either to Presbytery or Independancy or indeed what he pleases This was the way of our pretended Reformation here in England And by the same Rule and Authority it may be altered into as many Shapes and Forms as there are Fancies in Mens Heads This looks like a very unkind Requi●al ●o the Church of England for ●er Zeal in asserting the Magistrate's Power against a Foreign Jur●sdiction to in●er from thence that the Magistrate may change the Religion here which way he pleas●s But althô we attribute the Supream Iurisdiction to the King yet we do not question but there are inviolable Rights of the Church which ought to be p●eserved against the Fancies of s●me and the Usurpations of others We do by no means make our R●l●gion mutable according to the Magistrate's pleasure For the Rule of our Religion is unalterable being the Holy Scripture but the Exercise of it is under the regulation of the Laws of the Land And as we have cause to be thankful to God when Kings are Nursing Fathers to our Church so we shall never cease to pray for their continuing so and that in all things we may behave our selves towards the● as becomes good Christians and Loyal Subjects AN ANSWER TO THE THIRD PAPER THE Third Paper is said to be written by a Great Lady for the satisfaction of her Friends as to the Reasons of Her leaving the Communion of the Church of England and making her self a Member of the Roman Catholick Church If she had written nothing concerning it none could have been a competent Judge of those Reasons or Motives she had for it but her self but since she was pleased to write this Paper to satisfy her Friends and it is thought fit to be publ●shed for general Satisfaction all Readers have a right to judge of the strength of them and those of the Churh of England an Obligation to vindica●e the Honour of it so far as it may be thought to suffer by them I am sensible how nice and t●nder a thing it is to meddle in a Matter wherein the Memory of so Great a Lady is so nearly concern'd and wherein such Circumstances are mentioned which cannot fully be cleared the Parties themselves having been many Years dead But I shall endeavour to keep within due bounds and consider this Paper with respect to the main Design of it and take notice of other Particulars so far as they are subservient to it The way of her Satisfaction must needs appear very extraordinary for towards the Conclusion confesses She was not able nor would she enter into Disputes with any Body Now where the Difference between the two Churches lies wholly in Matters of Dispute how any one cou'd be truly satisfied as to the Grounds of leaving one Church and going to the other without entring int● matters of Dispute with any body is hard to understand If Persons be resolved before-hand what to do and therefore will hear nothing said against it there is no such way as to declare they will enter into no Dispute about it But what Satisfaction is to be had in this manner of proceeding How could one bred up in the Church of England and so well instructed in the Doctrines of it ever satisfy her self in forsaking the Communion of it without enquiring into and comparing the Doctrines and Practices of both Churches It is possible for Persons of Learning who will take the pains of examining things themselves to do that without entring into Disputes with any Body but this was not to be presumed of a Person other Condition For many things must fall in her way which she could neither have the leisure to examine nor the Cap●city to judg of without the Assistance of such who made it their business to search into them Had she no Divines of the Church of England about her to have proposed her Scruples to None able and wi●ling to give her their utmost Assistance in a Matter of such Importance before she took up a Resolution of forsaking our Church This cannot be imagined considering not only her great Quality but that just esteem they had for her whilst she continued so zealous and devout in the Communion of our Church But we have more than this to say One of the Bishops who had nearest Relation to her for many Years and who owns in Print That he bred her up in the Principles of the Church of England was both able and willing to have removed any Doubts and Scrup●es with respect to our Church if she would have been pleased to have communicated them to him And however she endeavoured to conceal her Scruples he tells her in his Letter to her which he since printed for his own vindication That he had heard much Discourse concerning her wavering in Religion and that he had acquainted her Highness with it the Lent before the Date of this Paper and was so much concerned at it that he obtained a Prom●se from

does as to the Change from our Church to the Church of Rome And we have no Pretenders to Enthusiasm among us but do as solemnly ascribe the Blessing wholly to Almighty God and look on it as the Effect of such Prayers as she made to him in France and Flanders But I wonder a Person who owed her Change so wholly to Almighty God should need the Direction of an Infallible Church since the utmost they can pretend to is no more than to have such an Immediate Co●duct and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that can be meant by it is that she had no Assistance from any other Persons Which m●y not exclude her own Endeavours but supposing them to be employed and an Account to be here given of them yet there is no Connexion between any of the Premises and the Conclusion she drew from them and therefore it must be Immediate Impulse or some concealed Motive which determin'd her Choice The Conclusion was That she would never have changed if she could have saved her Soul otherwise If this were true she had good Reason for her Change if it were not true she had none as it is most certain it was not Now let us examine how she came to this Conclusion and I will suppose it to have been just in the M●thod she sets it down in First she ●aith She never had any Scruples till the November before and then they began upon reading Dr. Heylin's History of the Reformation which was commended to her as a Book to settle her and there she found such abominable Sacriledg upon Henry the 8th's Divorce King Edward's Minority and Queen Elizabeth's Succession that she could not believe the Holy Ghost could ever be in such Counsels This was none of the best Advices given to such a Person to real Dr. Heylin's History for her Satisfaction For there are two distinct Parts in the History of our Reformation the one Ecclesiastical the other Political the former was built on Scripture and Antiquity and the Rights of particular Churches the other on such Maxims which are common to States-men at all Times and in all Churches who labour to turn all Revolutions and Cha●ges to their own Advantage And it is strange to me that a Person of so great Understanding should not distinguish these two Whether Henry the 8th were a good Man or not Whether the Duke of Somerset raised his Estate out of the Church Lands doth not concern our present Enq●iry which is Whether there was not sufficient Cause for a Reforma●ion in the C●u●ch And if there was Whether our Church had not sufficient Authority to re●orm it self And if so Whether the Proceed●ngs of our Reformation were not J●st●fi●ble by the Rules of Scripture and the Ancient Church These were the proper Points for her to have considered and not the particular Faults of Princes or the M●scarri●ges of Ministers of State Were not the Vices of Alexander the 6th and many other Heads of the Chu●ch of Rome for a whole Age together by the Confession of their own greatest Writers as great at least as th●se of Henry the 8th And were these not thought sufficient to keep her from the Church of Rome and y●t the others were sufficient to make her think of leaving our Church But Henry the 8th Church was in Truth the Church of Rome under a Political Head much as the Church of Sicily is under the King of Spain All the d●fference is Henry the 8th took it as his own Right the King of Spain pretends to have it from the Pope by such Concessions which the Popes deny And suppose the King of Spain's Pretence were unlawful to that Jurisdiction which he challengeth in the Kingdom of Sicily were this a sufficient Ground to justify the thoughts of Separation from the Church of Rome But the Duke of Somerset raised his Estate out of church-Church●Land● and so did many Courtiers in the Reign of Queen El●zabeth Are there not Miscarriages of the like nature in the Church of Rome What is the Popes making great Estates out of the church-Church-Lands for their Nephews to be Princes and Dukes a thing not unheard of in our Age. And is it not so much worse to be done by the Head of the Church These she confesses were but Scruples but such as occasioned her examining the Points in difference by the Holy Scripture Now she was in the right way for Satisfaction provided she made use of the best Helps and Means for understanding it and took in the Assistance of her Spiritual Guides But it seems contrary to the Doctrine of the Church of Rome she ●ound some things so easy there that she wondred she had been so long without finding them out And what were these No less than the Real Pre●ence in the blessed Sacrament the Infallibility of the Church Confession and Praying for the Dead These were great Discoveries to be made so e●sily considering how those of the Church of Rome who have been most vers'd in these Matters have ●ound it so difficult to make them out from thence 1. As to the Real Presence as it is in the Dispute between us and the Church of Rome it implies the Real and Substantial Change of the Elements into the Body and Blood of Christ. But where do our Saviour's words in calling the Sacrament his Body and Blood imply any such thing The wi●est Persons of the Church of Rome have confessed that the bare words of our Saviour can never prove it but there needs the Authority of the Church to interpret them in that sense How then could she so easily find out that which their most Learned Men could n●t But there is nothing goes so far in such Discoveries as a willing Mind 2. As to Confession No doubt the Word is often used in Scripture and therefore easily found But the Question between us is not about the Usefu●n●ss or Advantage of Confession in particular Cases but the Necessity of it in all Ca●●s in order to Remssion of Sins And I can hardly believe any Bishop of our Church would ever say to her that Conf●●●ion in this sense was ever commanded by God For then he must be damned himself if he did not confess every known S●n to a Priest But some general Expression might be used that Confession of Sin was commanded by God Confess your Sins one to another But here is nothing of a p●rticular Confession to a Priest necessary in order to Forgiveness of Sin 3 As to praying for the Dead It is 〈◊〉 to find any place of Scripture which seems to have any tendency that 〈◊〉 unless it be with respect to the Day of Iudgment and that very 〈…〉 Great Person to think it not possible to be saved in 〈◊〉 Church unless we prayed for the Dead How did this come to be a Point of Salvation And for the Practice of it she saith the Bishops told her they did it daily Whether they did it or not or in what sense they did it we cannot now be

think that our Saviour said all these things to no purpose And pray consider on the other side that those who resist the Truth and will not submit to his Church draw their Arguments from Implications and far fetch'd Interpretations at the same time that they deny plain and positive words which is so great a Disingenuity that 't is not almost to be thought that they can believe themselves Is there any other Foundation of the Protestant Church but that if the Civil Magistrate please he may call such of the Clergy as he thinks fit for his turn at that time and turn the Church either to Presbytery Independency or indeed what he pleases This was the way of our pretended Reformation here in England and by the same Rule and Authority it may be altered into as many more Shapes and Forms as there are Fancies in mens Heads This is a true Copy of a Paper written by the late King my Brother in in his own Hand which I found in his Closet JAMES R. A Copy of a Paper written by the late Dutchess of York IT is so Reasonable to expect that a person always bred up in the Church of England and as well instructed in the the Doctrine of it as the best Divines and her capacity could make her should be liable to many censures for leaving That and making her self a Member of the Roman Catholick Church to which I confess I was one of the greatest Enemies it ever had That I choose rather to endeavour to satisfie my Friends by reading this Paper then to have the trouble to answer all the Questions that may daily be asked me And first I do protest in the presence of Almighty God That no Person Man or Woman directly nor indirectly ever said any thing to me since I came into England or used the least endeavour to make me change my Religion It is a Blessing I wholly owe to Almighty God and I hope the hearing of a Prayer I daily made him ever since I was in France and Planders Where seeing much of the Devotion of the Catholicks tho I had very little my self I made it my continual request to Almighty God That if I were not I might before I died be in the true Religion I did not in the least doubt but that I was so and never had any manner of scruple till November last when reading a Book called the History of ●he R●formation by Doctor Heylin which I had heard very much commended and had been told if ever I had any doubt in my Religion that would settle me Instead of which I found it the description of the horridest Sacriledges in the World And could find no reason why we left the Church but for three the 〈◊〉 Abominable ones that were ever heard of amongst Christ●ans First Henry the Eighth Renounces the Pope's Authority because he would not give him leave to part with his Wife and Merry another in her life-time Secondly Edward the Sixth was a Child and govern'd by his Uncle who made his Estate o● of Church Lands And then Queen Elizabeth who being no Lawful H●iress to the Crown could have no way to keep it bu● by Renouncing a Church that could never suffer so unlawful a thing to be done by one of Her Children I confess I cannot think the Holy Ghost could ever be in such Counsels and it is very strange that if the Bishops had no design but as they say the restoring us to the Doctrine of the Primitive Church they should never think upon it till Henry the eighth made the ●reach upon so unlawful a Pretence These Scruples being raised I begun to consider of the difference between the Catholicks and Us and Examin'd them as well as I could by the Holy Scripture which I do not pretend to be able to understand yet there are some things I found so easie that I cannot but wonder I had been so long without finding them out As the Real Presence in the Blessed Sacrament the Infallibility of 〈◊〉 Church Confession and Praying for the Dead After this I spoke severally to Two of the best Bishops we have in England who ●oth told me there were many things in the Roman Church which it were very much to be wished we had kept As Confession which was no doubt Commanded by God That Praying for the Dead was one of the Ancient things in Christianity That for their parts they did it daily though they would no● own it And afterwards pressing one of them very much upon the other Points he told me That if he had been bred a Catholick he would not change his Religion but that being of another Church wherein he was sure were all things n●cessary to Salvation he th●ught it very ill to give that Scandal as to leave that Church wherein he had received his Baptism All these D●scou●ses did but add more to the desire I had to be a Catholick and gave me the most terrible Agonies in the World within my s●●f For all this fearing to be rash in a mat●er of t●an Weight I did all I could to satisfie my self mad it my Daily Prayer to God to settle me in the Right and to went on ●hristmas-day to r●ceive in the King's Chappel after 〈◊〉 I was more troubled then ever and could never b● i●●●iet t●l● I had told my desire to a Catholick who brought a Priest to me and that was the First I ever did converse with upon my Word The more I spoke to him the more I was con●irm'd in my design and as it is impossible for me to doubt of the Words of our Blessed Saviour who says the Holy Sacrament is his Body and Blood so I cannot Believe that He who is the Author of all truth and who ha● promis'd to be with his Church to the End of the World would permit them to give that Holy Mystery to the Laiety but in one kind if it were not Lawful so to do I am not able or if I were would I enter into disputes with any Body I only in short say this for the changing of my Religion which I take God to Witness I would never have done if I had thought it possible to save my Soul otherwise I think I need not say it is any Interest in this World leads me to it It will be plain enough to every body that I must lose all the Friends and Credit I have here by it and have very well weighed which I could best part with my share in this world or the next I thank God I found no difficulty in the Choice My only Prayer is that the poor Catholicks of this Nation may not suffer for my being of their Religion That God would but give me Patience to bear them and then send me any afflictions in this World so I may enjoy a Blessed Eternity hereafter St. Iames's Aug. 20th 1660. AN ANSWER TO SOME PAPERS Lately Printed concerning the AUTHORITY OF THE CATHOLICK CHURCH In