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A95782 An information for Mr. William Dell the (right reformer) as he is pleased to stile himself: (being the first to our best remembrance that ever assumed that title.) Or, An answer to his reply upon Mr. Loves contradictions. Together with the answer unto his epistle dedicatory to the Parliament. / By Umfrevile. Umfrevile, William. 1646 (1646) Wing U26; Thomason E367_10; ESTC R201269 16,565 31

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Bishop no King was no Bishop but a King and a King the very Paragon for learning and wisedome of all those this Island ever saw a Prince that was of opinion that the licentious liberty of Sectaries would produce as much danger to temporall Monarchy and State Government as ever could or would the Pontisiciall Tyrannie both agreeing in the pulling downe of civill Magistracie though differing about the manner and let Master Dell be told that the interposition of the civill power or the requesting the assistance of the same in the maintenance of the undoubted faith of Christ or an externall Ecclesiasticke discipline consonant to the same without which it is imposible for the Orthodox doctrine long to consist discipline being the nerves and sinnews by which a Church stands as the doctrine the food by which it is fed and nourished is neither the head nor the toe of Popery And let me be bold to ask Master Dell one question to what purpose tends his large invective against the Presbyteriall Government now erected what to have none I could not be so ill perswaded of tho man whether then marry to withdraw the Parliaments countenancing prorection from the Presbytery and to place it upon them that is the enlarging of the power of Christs Kingdome the exaltation of the Gospell of Christ the propagation of the elect people which I suppose the good man meanes loe then see all well May it please the Parliament to Vote down the Presbytery as the last prop of Papory in this Kingdome for interlacing it selfe with the temporall power and craving its aid and succours against those that would bring in aparchicall confusion first into the Church then into the state and eadem opera let them be pleased to Vote Master Dels chosen flocke the onely Christians and his Government of Gods Church if he knew first himselfe what it were or should bee let the Honourable Houses I say but be pleased to doe thus and behold omnia bene the power of Christs Kingdome mightily enlarged the exaltation of the Gospel wonderfully furthered c. hinc illa lacryma now I perceive what makes the world flocke so fast unto Independency what power or authority soever supports them stands for the enlargement of the power of Christs Kingdome the exaltation of the Gospell the Priviledges of Christs chosen people for the beauty of Saints and what not but let them beware that seek for supportation not onely against them but even by them they are at least but the last prop of Anti-Christ in this Kingdome who would wonder if all the world now turne Independent seeing that one that depends on them may better steale a horse then a man of another minde looke over the hedge but to be more serious the baddest actions have ever made shew of the best pretensions the foulest Heresies have stiled themselves by the most specious titles the Arians would be called by no other name but Catholick although their cursed Blasphemie impugned the mainest point in all Christianity it is an old saying the Devill doth never shew his Cloven-foot at first Schisme is like the Panther whose skin being of a sweet sent and beautifull spotted colour whereby he draws many other beasts toward him which approaching neare are forthwith affrighted with the uglinesse of his head wherefore the better to be master of his prey he discovers not that till he have them in his power it is a truth infallible that Schismes and Faction evermore in their first rising put on the face of woman but in their growth that of a lyon the behaviour of the Anabaptists at Magdeburg in Germany though long since yet by reason of other Sects in these our dayes not much different in opinions and lesse in practice is a fresh revived in our memories good God what Sanctity piety humility simplicity did those Juglers shew at first what charity and contempt of worldly mucke so that they drew the whole Generality of the City after them with the selfsame saying in their mouths which sometime the Samaritans used toward Simon Magus surely these men are the great power of God at length when their poore deceived proselites began to grow numerous they possest them that the power of the civill magistrate was Heathenish and Anti-Christian that Christs true Disciples must be all equall neither were they defective in alleadging Scripture for this their project ill understood and worse applyed Christs Kingdome is not of this world say they he that will be the greatest amongst you let him be as your servant the Kings and Princes of the earth beare rule and exercise power over them but with you not so Doe not rich men trouble you bringing you into judgement saith St. James What conclusions draw they from these texts why surely that all civill Magistracy is Anti-Christian though those that bare it at that time in that towne were known to be zealous maintainers of the Gospell it must have nothing to do with Gods chosen they that did desire to be supported by it in matter of faith or for their better strengthning did request the countenance of the same toward the bearing up of the Church discipline established in that famous City from these infusions what follows The Comminalty riseth against their lawfull Magistrates not onely degrades them but butchers them next the Ministers drinke of the same cup for no other fault but that fearing the storme approaching and advertising the civill Magistracy of its growth and proceeding they besought them for the suppressing of this swelling faction and upholding of the anciently setled Government in that Church but because they sought the maintenance of the lawfull Ecclesiastick Government by the civill sword which then was a toe or a finger of Anti-Christ as it is now therefore they tasted of the same sawee with them but what did the good Anabaptists after this what did they not but to particularise what the History mentioneth they fell afterwards upon their owne proselites cut the throates of them seized not onely the goods of all Citizens but the state it selfe brought a text of Scripture to warrant it though themselves would be thereof the expositors The meek shall inherit the Earth This story wants no application Men must not look so much upon the words and shews as the practices of raisers of factions and as touching Master Dell although thorough the whole course of his Sermon there is great talke of the spirit of meeknesse the spirit of humility obedience and the like and in the close of his Epistle Dedicatory much assurance offered unto the Parliament of his utmost endeavours in relation to obedience to their authority yet see how Master Dell hath thwarted both in his practice he virulently lasheth Master Love twits him in the teeth with his discerning people chargeth him with menaciny of the Parliament in case of desertion from them puts him in the number of the fingers and toes of Anti Christ this action of Master Dell
AN INFORMATION FOR M R. WILLIAM DELL THE RIGHT REFORMER As he is pleased to stile himself being the first to our best remembrance that ever assumed that TITLE OR An Answer to his Reply upon Mr. LOVES CONTRADICTIONS Together with the Answer unto his Epistle Dedicatory to the PARLIAMENT By Umfrevile LONDON Printed for the better edification of Mr. Dels selected and peculiar people 1646. AN ANSVVER UNTO M R. WILLIAM DELL THE RIGHT REFORMER His Epistle Dedicatory TO THE PARLIAMENT SIR your Epistle Janus-like hath two faces one looks toward the Parliament to make them yours the other toward your selves to make yours theirs in your Sermon you break their heads in your Epistle you binde them up You flatter them with a seeming voluntary acknowledgement of their power and your free submission thereunto in your assertion of the power of the Gospel you utterly enfeeble it how comes it I pray to passe that the just power of Magistracy is not consistent with the Kingdome of Christ and why may not the one support the other seeing that both ought to be held of Divine Right and institution Touch not mine anointed by all the expossions of the best that ever exposited is meant of both But Mr. Dell q●●●ore with what ●●ce durst you terme the Presbyterian Government not onely here establisht by Authority of the High Court of Parliament but made choyce of erected constituted embraced maintained and submitted unto from the very dawning of the Gospel and departure from Romes Idolatry by all the Reformed Churches of Christendome as That of France Germany Scotland the Netherlands Poland Sweadland Geneua c. who all Vna voce have approved of this Discipline and Government as the most consonant to the word and most opposite to the Romish Hierarchie in that none but Priests ruling the Rost this consisting of a mixed temper of Ministers and Lay-Elders one poysing and balancing the too much powerfull influence of the other How durst you I say give the reignes so farre unto your Anarchicall passion or rather fury as to call the said Government The last prop of Antichrist in this Kingdome yea and that to the very face of those that were by their power not onely the promoters but onely erectors of it Hath the Parliament Mr. Dell no better credit with you than to be esteemed the Erectors of the last prop of Properie in this Kingdome for these six years space Tantum sudavit alsit in the pulling down of Popery and of late in lieu of recompence have they given it new props Truely Sir I fear me very few of that honourable House like no better of your Epistle then they did of your Sermon if any doe I must needs confesse that I feare it the more and whether a man may more wonder at Mr. Dells impudence or ignorance I cannot say who indevoureth to indeare the Parliament unto him by scandalizing and disparaging the Government now generally thorough-out the whole Kingdome established by them and not that temerè ex improviso but after long demurring serious consultation deliberate debate neither without the advice and counsell of the best and choycest Divines throughout the Reformed Churches and especially of the Kirk of Scotland our united Brethren and the better to gaine credit unto his designe Mr. Dell doth his utmost to increase the dislike that some perhaps in the Parliament might have against this already setled Government he sticks not to write that it threatens even the Parliament to dispute its superiority with them and to make the supreme Magistracy of the Kingdome to stoop under their lore Who would have thought that after so much talk in the Sermon Of the enlargement of Christs Kingdome of the exaltation of the Gospel of Christ the Word of Faith Truth and many the like good things he should fall to such a malicious falsehood in the Epistle Dedicatory charging it with an aime at a power Paramount and predominant over the first Constitutors and Voters of it which how farre swarving from truth let all men judge who have either known or observed the behaviour of such that by election have been interessed in the Presbyterie whether Ministers or Laicks let their deportment I say be duly considered in what dutifull respective manners it ever hath been toward this High Assembly not leaving excepted the Venerable Assembly of Divines who never yet concluded any thing to be published concerning Reformation either in Church matters or in manners but in all humility they first presented it to the view of the Honourable House attending usually at the House of Commons doore and in their Theses submitting themselves sometimes to alteration and limitation alwayes unto approbation of the Honourable Houses which I dare affirm Mr. Dell will not avouth that his Independent and the rest rabble of Sects that crowd themselves under that name either have done or are about to doe for then I think we should hardly have such diversity of Conventicles and diversities of Faiths breached in them by approvement of Parliament as at this day we have so notoriously known unto all That in one street in London every Childe shall lead you to three And where you shall have such stuffe commended to you by way of Divine inspiration to be beleeved and taken up as dogniatical points of Faith and with a 〈…〉 none of Gods children not comprehended in the Buttery scrowle of election in case of refusall That a man which hath onely the usuall knowledge of the ordinary principles of Christian Religion if not out of mockage yet out of a feeling compassion must needs say having heard them Surely the blinde leads the blinde into the ditch Another passage in Mr. Dells Epistle Dedicatorie is this He likes not the spirituall power supporting by the temporall it is Anti-Christian he saith and Papisticall Mr Dels assertion smels not much of antiquity as neither his Sect for he may read in the Annals of the Christian Prinitive Church long before any point of Popery was hatched that men notable for sanctity in those times did passionately implore the aid and inte●mise of the sword temporall toward the defence of the true Christian verity and the depressing yea extirpating of known Heresies as in the businesse of that Arch-Heretick Arius and some that are of the Independent crue hold the same damnable tenents or else they have much wrong all men know that Constantine the great interposed his authority more then in any thing else and not onely his authority but his Paines in the extinguishing and condemning of that Heresie or otherwise it had spread its contagion farther and with a more peremptory Vogue and moreover if there had beene nothing worse found among the late Bishops then that saying no Bishop no King nor more displeasing to God or impeaching the progresse of the Gospell for ought I know they might have stood still although Master Dell may be pleased to be put in minde that he whose familiar speech it was no