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A90234 Divine observations upon the London-ministers letter against toleration: by his synodicall, priest-byter-all, nationall, provinciall, classicall, congregationall, superlative, un-erring, clericall, accademicall holynesse. reverend yongue Martin Mar-Priest, sonne, and heire to old Martin Metrapolitane. Wherin the toleration of his sacred person with the whole Independent fraternity, (by what name or title soever dignify'd or distinguished, whether Anabaptists, Brownists, or the like,) is justifyed by the reasons of the London-ministers, which they urge against toleration; and themselves, by their own reasoning, condemned. The reverend authour desires such as have received offence at the 6, 7, and 8 pages in his Ordinance for tythes dismounted, to repaire for satisfaction to the last clause hereof. Overton, Richard, fl. 1646. 1646 (1646) Wing O628; Thomason E317_15; ESTC R200544 11,517 16

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of knowledge for by faire and equall Reasonings and tryall of Doctrine light would daily break forth and encrease as common experience doth witnesse How could you have been converted to Presbytry How could the Rottenness of Popery Episcopacy c. have been discovered and spread through the Kingdome had it not been for Preachings Writings Disputations tryall of Doctrine c. Therefore your Non-Tolleration and suppressing of all Disputes c. eateth up the life and Power of Godlinesse and therefore not to b● s●tled Thus farre the London-Ministers and MARTIN are agreed Surely their Letter is a close couched Presbyterian Designe of comming over to Independency I le promise you this is a faire step at the first and pretty cunningly carried we gratulate our so happy concurrence Sirs You are all heartily welcome to our Sanctnary in TOLERATION-STREET and we acknowledge our selves deeply engaged to the London Ministers for their good service to our cause Be therefore encouraged Reverend beloved Brethren goe on and prosper wee are not offended at your Policy to Reason thus covertly for us wee well know that Rome was not built in a day But let us proceed and see what further Assistance your Reasons affords Lond. Min. The whole course of Religion in private Families will be in●●rrupted and undermined The Reason of which Argument is this Martin That which interrupteth and undermineth the course of Religion in private Families is not to be setled The edge of which Reason I thus turne against you That which tendeth to the making of Hypocrites Fearers and pleasers of men more then of God must needs interrupt and undermine the purity of Religion in private Families But the coercive Power which you so plead for doth so for it maketh multitudes as common experience doth too much witnesse for fear of bodily punishment deprivation of their goods losse of their Places Trading c. to dissemble with their Consciences even practise contrary thereto and temporize with the Time which is an absolute perversion of the power of Godliness in them Therefore Lon. Min. Reciprocall duties between Persons of neerest and dearest relation will be extreamly violated Mar. The reason hereof is That which is destructive to reciprocall duties is to be abominated the which I thus retort upon your owne heads That which setteth Father against Sonne sonne against Father one freind against another King against Parliament Parliament against King Kingdom against Kingdome and divideth Nations and People amongst themselves and enrageth them one against another extreamly violateth Reciprocall Duties betweene Persons of neerest and dearest relation But so doth Persecution For where this principle is of forcing the contrary-minded will they nill they it engendereth and begetteth feares and jealousies one of another and when one knoweth the other is his mortall enemy it maketh each other to stand in defyance and defence one against the other even to the drawing of the sword especially when one thinks he can conquer the other which makes them lie in wait for blood witnesse our Armies of this Kingdome and hereupon they wallow in one anothers blood Yea what will not the oppressed doe against the oppressour Tyranny is the mother of Conspiracies Murmurings Repinings c which at length break forth after they have gotten strength into open Rebellions Insurrections c. Therfore Non-Toleration extreamly violateth reciprocall dueties between Persons of nearest and dearest Relation Lon. Min. 9. 10. All other Sects c. See the Letter Mar. The marrow of these two is this That Independency i● not to be Tolerated because other Sects and Heresies under that notion will seek to be tollerated But in case they should not then by the vertue of your Argument it should be tollerated So that by your own grant its Toleration is only accidentally unequall not absolutly in respect of it self but casually in respect of others Therefore why are you so hott against the equity of it● Toleration seeing from your own Argument it is equall If it be good to tolerate that and evill to tolerate Heresies c. you must not forbeare the good to avoid the evill doe evill that good may come of it but must doe the thing that is just and equall in it self that is tolerate the Independents whom you title Brethren godly and learned and doe to them as you say of them what ever becomes of us wee neither expect nor crave your mercy If we cannot have Justice on earth wee appeal unto the God of heaven and meekly and freely submit to suffer for his Name with our hearts rejoycing that wee can be counted worthy so to doe L. Min. Secondly mischiefs to the Common-wealth for thereby the Kingdome will be weakned by Scand●lls and Divisions c. Mart. The reason of this Argument is That which tendeth not to keep all in Peace and Civill Society but reduceth them to Divisions and scandals that is not to be established by your thus reasoning But Non-toleration keepeth not all but one predominant Sect in Unity dividing all others from it persecuting reviling upbraiding and reproaching them though never so honest godly conscienscious sober meek and neighbourly with lyes scandalls nick-names as Anabaptists Brownists Schismaticks Hereticks prodi●ious new wandering Blazing-Starres Firebrands pernitious mutiners waspish Generation schismaticall Anti-Parliamentary inf●mous mutinous daring presumptuous scurr●lous● libellous scandalous seditious insolent blasphemous seditious Trumpetters revilers of God despisers of Government resisters of Higher power stirrers up of Sedition and insurrection Anabaptisticall Sectaries New furious Sectaries avowed conspiratours contemners of Parl. Anti-covenanters audatious contemptuous Libellers New furious Ringleaders of Sedition House-creepers Incendiaries Rayling Rabshakeh's publick contemners Affronters of Parl. * blasphemers against the Assembly of Divines * See Pryns Fresh Discovery pag. 17. Contents of the 4. Sect. which are no other then termes of provocation and wrath of vengeance and ignomy tending to the breach of the generall Bond of Vnity Peace and Civill Society which must needs extreamly weaken the Kingdom for the Kingdome lies in he Unity of the People Therefore your Non-Toleration ought in no wise to be established L. Min. It is much to be d●ubted least the power of the Magestrate c. See Letter Martin The reason hereof is Those that are Anti-Magesteriall or weaken the Magesteriall Power are not to be tollerated But your intended Prelaticall Presbytry is Anti Magisteriall Ergo you have brought your Hogges to a faire market held in Toleration-street at the signe of the Subjects Liberty c. Minor proved Those that would not have all coercive Power in the Magestrates hands are Anti-Magesteriall and weakners of the Magestrates Power But Presbytry would not have all coercive Power onely in the hands of the Magestracy but laboureth to encroach as much as possibly it can into its own hands as continued practise doth evidence Therefore by the London Ministers own reasoning Presbytry is Anti-Magesteriall and not to be setled On the contrary Those that would have all
praeproperous Sure wee must accept it in your owne Presbyterian sense and what that is is evident to the whole world by your Pollitick endeavours both private and publick to be no other but an absolute enslaving both of Parliament and People unto your Presbyterian Dictates in all matters Evangelicall and Spirituall which is no other but the very Spirit Marrow root and Quinticense of Popery against which that very Covenant in its genuine intent expresly doth engage us and our Posterity in the fundamentall Extirpation thereof out of the Three Kingdomes for indeed that preheminence is no other but an absolute Arrogation of Popish Supremacy and spirit of Infallability for plurallity of Persons in that arrogation doth not alter the nature and essence of the thing arrogated it is as well Popish Supremacy in a Synod Classis or the like as in one man So that our Couenant doth engage us in the totall Extirpation of LORD PRESBYTERS their Classes Ordinances c. as well as of their Grandfather the Pope their Fathers the Lord bishops their Courts Cannons c. before them Will but it seems till this Popish Prelaticall Prerogative the perfection of your Reformation after your sense of the Covenant be absolutely Presbyterizliz'd you judge it unseasonable and praeproperous Truly Reverend and beloved Brethren I submit unto your judgements herein for to nip it in the Bud to crush the Cockatrice in the shell to prevent this approaching Papall Episcopall Tyranny and u●urpation of our Birth-rights by the Independents indeavours for a timely Toleration before it be absolutely Presbyterian will utterly annihilate and frustrate your designe so that in your sense it must needs be extreamly unseasonable indeed when our mouthes are sowed up our hands tyed behind us our feet fettered then in your Presbyterian sense comes in Our Season for if before it be unseasonable and preproperous that implyes that then it will be seasonable when the Steed is stoll●● you will give as leave to shut the Stable door● Indeed we are obliged to your venerable Sanctities in the Superlative degree that you will be but pleased to fl●p u● i' th mouth with a Fox-tayle Before it is too soon and after it will be too late And thus the truly tender Consciences may receive abundant satisfaction for ought that yet appeares have their Persons banish'd or imprisoned their goods Plundered and confiscate their houses pull'd downe and Gibbets made of the Timber to hang their tender Consciences out to take the Presbyterian Ayre for no better as yet appeareth and this is already evident both in their Writings and Sermons See Byseild Sermon before the House latter end of his Book And if they thus shew their teeth before they have full power to bite what will they doe when their power is absolute their mercies will be cruelty if the future may be judged by the present as all the mercies of the Wicked are Prov. 12. 10. And then wee shall be sure they having all Judgement in their hands none shall be judged to be of truly under Consciences but such as are Presbyteriall such as will be awed by their Power and Tyranny the rest must stand upon their Perill Well wee must stay till Reformation according to the Covenant be fully setled and what your sense is is evident but what Reformation is that the Covenant it self doth intend Is it not a Reformation after the ●●presse Letter of it according to the Word of God As for your Presbytery though by your selves in your late Petition for it's establishment you urge and avow it to be the Ordinance of Jesus Christ yet in the Judgement of the Parliament it was Voted false and scandalous and the highest title they ever voted upon it was but jure Human● therefore not jure Divino and if not jure Divino then our Covenant which doth engage u● in a Reformation according to the Word of God which i● such an one as is absolutely jure Divino doth not engage 〈◊〉 at all unto Presbytrie which by the Parliaments own confession is but jure Humano but rather to its suppression and the Parliament themselves if they will but practise according to their owne Votes cannot engage us thereto by vertue of our Covenant but are to Protect us and our Posterity from it not suffering Presbytery no more then Papistry and Prelacy which are but jure Humano to insult and tyrannize over us our Consciences Persons or Estates for if by our Covenant they be bound to safe-guard Us from the incursions of Papistry and Prelacy the Two first divisions of the great City Babylon because they are but jure Humano then they are equally thereby bound to Protect us from the Tyranny and Oppression of Presbyters the third Division for themselves say it is but jure humano And yet forsooth you challenge the Precedency your turnes must be served first as though you were the Children and the Independents the Dogges The Independents might rather urge that the endeavours of the Presbyters are unreasonable and praeproperous till Independency be setled for the Parliament never yet Voted Independency to be jure Humano neither are your selves able to prove it so to be Lon. Min. 2. It is not yet knowne what the Government of the Independents is neither would they ever vouchsafe to let the world know what they hold in that point c. Martin If it be unseasonable according to your reasoning for such Independents whose Government is not made known to the World for that is the reason of your Argument for you state the unseasonablenesse in the non-knowledge c. then for such whose Government is made knowne must needs be seasonable after the same reasoning But Reverend MARTIN with his Brethren whom you dignify and distinguish by the names of Anabaptists Brownists c. have declared their Discipline to the whole World both by their Preachings Writings and continued practise even unto this day See the Confession of the 7 Churches See Mr. Turners model intituled An Heavenly Conference for Syon Saints Therefore the endeavours of Reverend MARTIN and his Independent Brethren must now be seasonable even from your own reasoning But I must needs tell you by the way you need not much urge the only seasonablenes of yours from the knowledge thereof I pray you what is it can you tell your selves You tell the Independents of their reserves but what may they say of yours for wee have yours but in part and that neither presented but by Peece-meals now a little and then a little and still reserves in the rear yea innumerable still for any thing we can perceive which are but yet hammaring out to the temper of the People what they are is best known to your selves what is knowne is not so beautifull as to make all others unseasonable and praeproperous If drawn into a Modell I think it will rather affright then allure for in the Bulke it is no other then a Bundle of Tyrannicall Ordinances and wicked Lawes