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A80727 The red-ribbond news from the army. In a discourse between a minister and a souldier of the state. / Written from thence by a minister of Gods holy Word in the county of Suffolk, who loveth a souldier as he doth his own life: the characters of his name T.C. T. C.; Coxcombe, T. 1647 (1647) Wing C6711A; Thomason E390_2; ESTC R201527 4,803 8

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THE RED-RIBBOND News from the Army In a Discourse between a Minister and a Souldier of the State Written from thence by a Minister of Gods holy Word in the County of Suffolk who loveth a Souldier as he doth his own life The Characters of his name T. Cox London Printed for M. S. 1647. A Dialogue between a Minister and a Souldier of the State Minister GEntleman Souldier you are well met may I be so bold as to exchange a word or two with you Souldier Whereabout or what is your will good sir Minist You have been I suppose sometime in the Service of the State have you not Soul Truely sir I have served the King and State these five years and upwards I have been in all the fights ever since Keinton field or the battle at Edgehill Min. Very well you are much to be honoured for your zeal to God and to your Country And now without offence I would be much beholding unto you if I might propound a question or two unto you Soul Good sir speak and spare not I shall give such answers as my poor Genius shall enable me And if I fail in any materiall thing I hope of your Christian Charity you will bear with me and give me good advice Min. I shall do both most willingly And first I pray you tell me were you imprest or went you a volunteer into the Service of the State Soul I always scorned compulsion I went out freely for my King and Countries good Min. Blessed be God But I pray you what enemies went you out against What to fight against your King Soul No forsooth but against his Majesties and the Kingdoms enemies against those that have set the three Nations in combustion They have committed many out-rages and did patronize all under his Majesties authority Had these been delivered up to justice then all hostility on this part had long since ceased and so much Christian blood had not been spilt Min. But with what good conscience could you take up Arms against the Kings party The Kings party is two wayes to be considered 1. Either as his Majesties person may be engaged by meer su●przall onely 2. Or as he may engage himself by voluntary consent whereby he may be said to be surprized in his judgement also 1. For the first the case is cleer viz. That Armes may nay must be taken up by all good subjects alleigeance binding them therunto to dis-ingage his Majesties person howsoever or by whomsoever it may be in danger of surprizing or be actually surprized Somewhat to this purpose is Abishai his restoring Davids person from Ishbi-benob when slaughter or surprizall was justly to be feared 2 Sam. 21. 16. c. 2. And for the second though it were not his Majesties case directly for no good subject judging of his Majesties waies by the Law and rule of charity as things have stood can suppose the same so to be but grant it were so yet where this voluntary consent is not regulated in the judgement of the Grand Councell of the Kingdome which ought to be judge next under God and his Word to examine and determine all queries in the State In this case Armes might be taken up by the advice and authority of that grand Councell rather then the whole should wrack and come to ruin And this maketh the case cleer That Armes were not taken up against the person of the King not against his Politick power nor against a Legall party but against an unruly rout that having surprized his Majesties person or his judgement or both by force or flattery to work their own ends and the Kingdomes wo. And his Majesty himself hath granted That the Parliament hath more then power sufficient to take up Armes in their just defence for the Kingdomes safety and to bring Del●nquents unto justice which is an unanswerable Argument to prove the legality of the Defensive War and to justifie the Parliament against all depravers it being directly concluded a concessis Min. But what think you can the King and Parliament be severed Soul Under correction I think they cannot as the case now standeth God and the Law hath conjoyned them and what God and the Law have so happily conjoyned let no man go about to put asunder Wheresoever the person of his Majesty is where shall we seek his politick power but in that place and with those faithfull Councellors to which himself by a sacred law hath confirmed and confined it For besides the Lawfull call of this present Parliament which is common to this with precedent Parliaments we are to consider the Solemn Confirmation of it wherein it differeth from all Parliaments that have gone before I say the confirmation of it in its full Authority and with all its Rights and Priviledges This maketh the case strong and the Kingdomes Armies that have been all this time on foot were at the first raised to maintain this Act to defend this Title Min. Sir I perceive you are rightly stated in the case I did not expect to hear so good an account from you I am afraid there are not many more in all the Army can give the like satisfaction Soul Beleeve me Sr I am the weakest of many thousands there are many of most able parts and can speak of this or of any other subject humane or divine to admiration And I confesse I was a little principled before I went out by hearing some good Divines as you are And have been much confirmed by some of our Noble Commanders and by some of my fellow Souldiers Do you see good Sir in my head face and other Visible parts the wounds I have received at York Naseby and other fights Min. I see them well I would not have you call them wounds but glorious marks and characters of a valiant and undaunted mind Blessed be God who hath preserved you you sacrificed your life for his Glory and he hath preserved it most miraculously as appeareth unto me But good sir what is the matter now much rumour is in the Country and some cause of fears Certainly there are some projects intended by the Souldery witness both words and signs A Covenant it is said is made by them and what means the Red Ribbond on each souldiers left arm Soul I make no question but you have heard of a Petition sent by us and slighted by the Parliament and the Ribbond sheweth that we will defend the equity of our Petition with our blood Min. Slighted I beleeve it not It may be it was not humble enough or not seasonable at this time and I am to seek sufficient warrant for your defence thereof in that manner as you have said and so I think are you For where is your Commission or by what authority shall you mannage that defence as you call it Soul Have we not authority think you Min. No truly you have neither King nor State to enable you to such an enterprize Soul Then we wil have for