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A08448 A tragoedie or dialoge of the vniuste vsurped primacie of the Bishop of Rome, and of all the iust abolishyng of the same, made by master Barnardine Ochine an Italian, [and] translated out of Latine into Englishe by Master Iohn Ponet Doctor of Diuinitie, neuer printed before in any language Ochino, Bernardino, 1487-1564.; Ponet, John, 1516?-1556. 1549 (1549) STC 18770; ESTC S113413 128,091 218

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euidently appeare by the wordes of Christ when he sayeth to his Apostles That whiche I saye to you I saye to all Neither semeth it any thing lykely that he spake that thyng whiche he taught to them only but to all Truelye thys is certayne as Saynct Hierome wrot vpon thys sayng To the I will gyue the keyes of the heauenly kyngdome That y e bishops priestes haue thought hitherto by the reason of their pryde and pharisaical arrogancie that they had power to condempne the gyltles and to deliuer the gyltie But truelye they bee deceyued all ouer the fielde Because that the question is not before God of the iudgement of the priest but of the life of the sinner Whereby he playnlye declarethe that the choyse of binding and loosinge is not left in the libertie of the priest but in the sinner who is cōmaunded to beleue The minister of Gods word doeth not absolue but he publisheth declareth man to be absolued likewise he declareth man to be bound and condempned onles he beleue Euen as y e scepter royal signifieth a kinges power and the swerde the empire So likewise doth the keyes betoken the spirituall gouernaunce of the kingdome of god For whosoeuer he be that preache the gospell be it whosoeuer ye will in that he preacheth he doeth all that lyeth in him to open the kingdome of heauē to the hearers whether it be openly or priuatly that he preache to one or to many More ouer he delyuereth all the beleuers he forgiueth all theyr synnes he saueth them and bringeth them into the kingdome of God when he teacheth that they be fre by faythe and because they beleue that theyr synnes bee forgeuen them they bee saued and in the kingdome of Christe Agayne on the other syde he byndeth al them which beleue not he retayneth their synnes he condempneth them and shutteth them out of the kingdome of heauen when he teacheth them that they are bound that they remaine in theyr sinne that they be dampned and shut out of the kingedome of grace by the reason of theyr vnbelefe But thys thing is worthye to be noted y t there is two kingedomes of Christe in earthe whereof the one is spirituall and canne not bee seen wherin dwell onely the godly and righteouse men and another that is much greater wherein abyde not onely the good but also all other that bee Baptized whiche will seme to bee christians Neyther were the keyes of bothe these kingdomes deliuered onely to Peter but also to all the rest of thapostles and by them to the successours of thapostles that the ministers of the worde of god might not onely shut and open the fyrste kingdome as it is before declared but also the second For they maye suspende and excommunicate synners openly when they amende not a●ter suche order as Christe hathe appoynted and so shut them out of the seconde kingdome and bannishe them the company of other christians They maye also loose when they shewe forthe tokens of penaunce that is to say they maye declare in the christian congregacion that they be fre euen as before they declared them to bee bound by that meanes open vnto them the seconde kyngdome and graunte vnto them the libertie to dwel and abyd in the company of other christians with them to receaue the holy Sacramentes Then were these the keies thys the authoritie that Christ spake of whē he sayd to his apostles what so euer ye shal bynde in earth it shall be bounde in heauen and what soeuer ye shall loose in earth it shal be loosed also in heauen The ministers also of the churche of Christe may and ought to enioyne penaunce to suche as bee excommunicated at such time as they conuerte and repent that they maye openly shewe tokens of a penitente harte not that they may thynke thereby to satisfy make a sufficient recompense for theyr offēces in the sight of God for y e which Christ hath suffered long a goe y t neither they thēselues neither other folowing their example should any more committe the lyke offences neither should withstand the correction of the churche and of the ministers But as touchynge the signes that bee vnknowen and secret the ministers ought not scrupulously to inquire for y e knowleage of them Neuerthelesse the manne that is troubled with thys kynde of synnes and commynge to a sobre and learned minister in christiā knowledge telling him of the trouble of hys conscience and requiryng of hym what were best for him to doe wherby to be restored agayne to goddes mercye Then shall thys Phisician preache to the soule so repentaunt the gospell and moue him to beleue that Christ is he who hath satisfied for hys synnes also for the sinnes of the whole worlde Whiche thyng when the sinner beleueth immediatly the minister of goddes worde openeth vnto him the kyngdome of heauen and beareth witnes that hys sinnes be nowe forgyuen hym and also the sinner so repentaunt may make a rehersall and a confession of hys fayth before the sayd learned minister and maye demaunde of hym whether that bee a true and liuely fayth which shal suffice to saluacion Then shall thys minister open vnto hym the whole doctrine of Christes fayth and so induce him to the true fayth and shewe him the waye wherby he maye attayne to the right fayth and remayne therin increasing continually Then shall the minister open vnto hym remedies mete for hym wherby he may preserue himselfe safe and vnspotted from suche greuouse offences as he perceyueth hym most enclined vnto And who so hath a true faythe goeth streyght wayes to Christe with the Samaritane to render present thankes in hys presence But who so hath not that fayth he shall alwayes be a wicked manne and an infidell though he confesse hymselfe euery daye a thousand tymes Thys is the power whiche Christ gaue not onely to Peter but to all the Apostles of hys churche that is to saye to preache the gospell to declare the remission of sinnes to all them that beleue and to holde in synne suche as beleue not to minister the sacramentes according to the word of god Christes institucion and to punishe them that offende openly and will not repent when they be entreated after suche a sort as Christ hath appoynted That is first that they be excomunicat and then yf they amend to be receyued agayne into the christian congregacion This power being gyuen by Christ vnto his churche is not extendyd but to them onely whiche be in thys lyfe whiles they liue here And therfore sayed Christ whatsoeuer ye shall bynde or whatsoeuer ye shall loose not indifferently in all places but in earth shal be bounde and loosid Wherfore it is true that the churche militant hath no power vpō thē that be passed out of this lif and rest in the lorde Neither gaue he any authoritie to the churche militant to gyue pardons a
A tragoedie or Dialoge of the vniuste vsurped primacie of the Bishop of Rome and of all the iust abolishyng of the same made by master Barnardine Ochine an Italian translated out of Latine into Englishe by Master Iohn Ponet Doctor of Diuinitie neuer printed before in any language Anno Do. 1549 ¶ To the moost myghtye and moste excellent Prince Edwarde the syxte by the grace of God Kynge of Englande Fraunce and Irelande defendor of the faithe and in earth Supreme head of the churche of England and Irelande Bernardinus Ochinus Senensis wisheth all felicitie ALthough god of his mere goodnes hath geuē to your Maiestie moste rich treasures moste large kingdomes speciall grace and loue of al people moste high nobilitie of bludde moste singuler ornamentes bothe of the body and of the minde partely commyng onely of God and partely through hys fauour obtayned also by your industry beside other innumerable graces whiche it hathe pleased god to endue youre hyghenes withall Yet neuertheles all these thinges ought not nor cannot bee compared to that benefite whiche he hathe shewed vnto you in geuing vnto you in such a darke world and in so tendre age suche clere light of Christ that albeit in thys worlde he was poore lowe dispiced and crucified and your Maiestie is so riche so highe in so great honour and all kyndes of felicitie Yet not only you knowleadge and take hym for youre Lorde and maister but also you loue hym and that in suche sorte that for the loue whiche you beare vnto hym you haue suche a godly hatred to his enemies that folowing the blessed memory of your father fyrste with the fauour of god and than with the aduise of your most derest vncle the lorde Protector and of other youre trusty and faithfull Counseylours you haue dryuen hym out of your Realmes and Dominions hym who among all the wicked hathe the highest place and is moste aduersary to Christ and therfore is he and may wourthely be called Antichriste Now remayneth nothing behinde but that with hym you dryue away also as you haue begon his lyes errours Hypocrisy Symonye Robbery supersticion Idolatrye and all wickednes And than if Pirrus Alexander magnus Anibal Scipio Affricanus and Iulius Cesar had noble victories and tryumphes in thys world howe much more shall your noble actes farre passe al them and theyr actes in the sight of God aungelles and men for asmuch as you being yet but almost a babe shall ouerthrowe the most mighty most crafty most wycked and cruell tyraunte that euer was or euer shal be in the worlde deliuering your subiectes from a longe and miserable bondage and captiuitie And yet forasmuche as many suche as bee blynd and doe take hym for theyr god in erthe where as they ought most hyghly to commende youre Maiestie for your godly proceadinges peraduenture will speake euill of so excellent an acte I thought it my parte for the duetye that I owe to god and to your Maiestie to shewe vnto such men the beginnynge of thys their Papacie and howe it encreased and came into so hyghe estimacion amonge the blinde people So that they perceauinge theyr weake false ruinouse and deuilishe foundacion maye leaue theyr fayt● whiche they haue in hym and geue glorye to God and to your Maiestie to whome I praye god to ●●unte a longe and moste blessed lyfe ¶ The parties that doe speake in thys Dialoge are these i. Lucifer and Beelzebub ii Boniface the third Doctour Sapience secretary to the Emperour iii. The people of Rome The churche of Rome iiii The Pope mans iudgement and the people of Rome v. Thomas Massuccius the master of the horse Lepidus the popes chāberlain vi Lucifer and Beelzebub vii Christ and Michaell and Gabriell archangels viii Kinge Henry the viii and Papista and Thomas Archbisshop of Cantorbury ix Kyng Edward the vi and the lorde Protector ¶ A Tragoedie or Dialoge of the vniust vsurped primacie of the Byshop of Rome of the iust abolishinge of the same made by master Barnardine Ochine an Italian and translated out of Latine into Englyshe by Master Iohn Ponet Doctor of Diuinitie Lucifer and Beelzebub MY deare faithful brethren and most enttierly beloued frendes for asmuche as I knowe howe muche profite ariseth of the labour paines that ye take in the world be ye well assuered that I woulde not haue wylled you to assemble here together in Hell at thys present were there not some great profyte to our common wealth arising of the same that moued me so to doe Ye know right wel my brethren frendes howe wrongfully and vniustly our enemy God without any our fault or deseruing hurled vs downe out of heauen hedlonge and also ye knowe what greuouse torment miserye and calamitie we haue susteyned euer sin●e that tyme. And althoughe he wyll nedes reigne alone in heauē cannot abyde felowe to be ioyned with him in that kingdome but doeth vsurpe it whole to hym selfe alone yet yf he woulde haue left to vs some dominion in earth this torment and misery of ours might better haue bene borne But wheras we had by muche trauayle and busynes obteyned and inioyed as it were by oure prescription of many yeares the dominion of the world se you not howe he hath sent y e same sonne of his whome they call Christe to marre all that euer we haue made and vtterly to destroy that we haue buylded doe ye not perceaue how that fellow Christ beynge nayled vpon the crosse droweth all men to him and doe ye not perceaue what a number of mē which before were of our syde be nowe fled to him there to be souldiars vnderneth his banner Yf his Apostles beyng but twelue made such a commotion throughe out the whole world what a ruffell thinke ye wyll so many thousandes make whome they by theyr teaching haue turned Certainly by coniecture it shoulde seeme that the matter wyll daylye waxe worse and worse oules this great mischiefe ●e wyselye prouided for inseason elles wyll it at lengthe come to passe that our scepter royall shal be plucked out of our handes and our dominion vtterlye taken away from vs. But after longe consultinge and dyuising there is now come into my head a very handsome imaginacion wherby we may destroy the kingdome of Christ and stablysh our kyngdome for euer Yf we attempte to oppresse the members of Christe with persecucion and tirrannye we shall that waye but increase more and more our owne sorow For as we be sufficiently taught by longe experience they bee so persed and led with a zeale to y e glorye of god so carried with a vehemēt heuenly spirit that they contempne all thinge sauinge Christ onely And this one thing semeth much to be maruailed at that whā they be spoiled for y e glory of Christ or bānished in to exile or lose their honour their contrey their substaunce yea or their lyfe also yet they earnestlye triumphe and be
the counsells for otherwyse is your argument playne false or at the least waye so made in a circle that in disputacion it beginneth agayne where it began before to no purpose Papi Yf it were so that the Bishoppe of Rome were Antichrist in dede as you saye yet for asmuche as he hathe bene accounted of Christian menne for Pope so many hundreth yeres and the chiefe Byshoppe of all other then the churche of Christe had decayed longe agone contrary to hys promes who sayed I am with you vnto the worldes ende Tho. arch As touchyng this poynte the same answere shall bee made to you nowe that was made in tymes past to Helias when he thought none aliue to imbrace the faythe of God but himselfe alone to whome God sayed I haue preserued to my self seuen thousandes who hath not bowed their knees before Baal Euen so is it nowe for in Europe Affrike and Asia there were alwayes manye christian menne who wurshipd not Antichrist Papi What were they al Heritikes Thomas arch They were by youre sayinge for they woulde neither obey Antichriste neither beleue purgatory neither woulde they kepe the feaste of Easter vpon the sondaye Hen. Ye haue reasoned now enough and enough now we see playnly that this felowe of whom we moued this questiō was is ve●y right Antichrist Frō hence forth we wil in no wise consent to his euilnes lest god continue his anger agaynst vs. We haue suffered to longe a great deale so intolerable a tiranny We will proue suerly whether he be God ī yearth or not And whether we haue more full authoritie in oure owne dominions and kingdomes then he hath or not Papi Then shal your maiestie loose your title of defender of the fayth Hen Nay we wil be called the destroyers of the false faythe of Antichriste and maynteners of the trewe fayth of Christe Kynge Edwarde the sixte The Lorde Protectour Edvvard● ALexander the great dyd sette so muche by the honor and glorie of the worlde that when his father Philippe ouercame moe and moe Cities and contryes daylye and all other men reioysed very much of hys victories Yet he alone beynge of tender age lamented very muche therefore not withstandynge that he ought to haue bene ioyfull and glad beinge his fathers onely heire of all hys kyngdomes thynkynge that hys father woulde preuent hym and take awaye all occasions from hym whereby he mighte compasse the dominion of the worlde by hys owne wit and industrye wherof shoulde insewe worthye renowne and immortall memorie esteminge a kingdome as nothynge without glorye But for as muche as it hath pleased God to lighten our mynde with the cleare bryghtnes of heauenly doctrine therby to gyue vs knowledge that he hath placed vs in thys seat of a king that we shoulde direct the vse of oure scepter royall and the sterne of oure gouernement not to the glorye of the worlde but to the glorye of hym so muche more we be studious of the glorie of God aboue that the glory of the world as we know that the one is heauenlye excellent and durable and the other vayne slydynge awaye and able to continue but for a whyle And we can not but lament euen from the botom of ▪ our heart euen in this tender age of ours when we see our onelye Lorde and sauiour Iesus Christe with no small rebuke of hys heauenlye and eternall father dryuen out of his seat kingdom such a cruell and wicked tyraunte placed in hys roume Wherfore we be very desierfull to restore Christ into his own former place agayne that by him god may be honoured not myndinge in any wise to suffer suche abhominacion to remayne within oure dominions All Christian menne haue euer more abhorred the name of Antichrist and shall we haue hym at home with vs. Knowinge hym to be suche a one as he is and shall leue hym vnbannished out of the coastes of our countryes That shal neuer be Suerly all the treasures honours frendeshippes pleasures and all the happie condicions of thys worlde canne neuer make vs happye no not so muche as in thys lyfe so longe as we see not Christe him selfe not Antichrist reigne in the hartes of his subiectes The maiestie Royall of kynge Henry the viii of famouse memory oure naturall father began thys worthye and noble enterpryse that we intende whose steppes we will followe for the performaūce of hys wyll seynge that he beinge preuented with deathe coulde not brynge that thinge to suche perfect end as hys mynd was at the fyrste attemptinge therof We haue determined therefore to pursewe the famouse enterprise of oure moste famouse father and not onely to plucke vp by the rootes and vtterlye bānishe out of our kingdome the name of Antichrist and his Iurisdiction but also clearely to purge y e mindes of oure subiectes from all wycked idolatry heresie and superstycyon and suche lyke deuelishnes as by hym was brought in And for asmuche as there is none other thynge that moueth vs thus to doe but the onelye glory of god we dout not but that Christ wil be with vs and will rule oure councelles and doynges with his holy sprite And althoughe I dout not but that you study likewise with an earnest feruentnes of spirite to set forthe this high glory of god yet haue we thought good to disclose thys oure intent and purpose to you being our dearely beloued and faythful coūsaylours To thintent that thys godly dede maye be the more spedely brought to passe Counseil Suerly your maiesty could haue tolde vs nothynge that could haue pleased vs better either that canne be more to the glory of God more profytable to the common welthe or elles more worthy and honorable to a Christian kynge Wherefore we be compelled to render immortal thankes to God and hauinge a tast of youre graces wisdome by thys thing to hope for greater and more excellent enterprises of you then any manne would conceaue in that we perceaue so muche sage and auncient wisedome in thys your so tender age and so feruent a Zeale to the settinge forth of goddes glorye For thys thynge is commonly seen by the common course of nature that suche menne as be of the common sort and of slender corage be colde and slacke in the waye of the Lorde yea and be many tymes offended with suche a confusion and varietie of iudgementes when they see noble men so caryed with a blynde and a wicked zeale with all that euer they canne make for the defense of wicked Babilon and of theyr deuelishe Antichrist not stayinge with blody handes and blody hartes to bee glutted and made dronke with the bloude of Christe and of his electes many times also haue they the better hand as the heauenly prophet Daniel prophecied But your pryncely maiestie as one indued with a high and a heauenly courage haue intended a gloryouse enterpryse and that beinge styrred vp and inflamed thereunto with a feruent zeale to the