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A88107 The nevv quere, and determination upon it, by Mr. Saltmarsh lately published, to retard the establishment of the Presbyteriall government, examined, and shewed to be unseasonable, unsound, and opposite to the principles of true religion, and state. Whereunto is annexed a censure of what he hath produced to the same purpose, in his other, and later booke, which he calleth The opening of Master Prinnes Vindication. And an apologeticall narrative of the late petition of the Common Councell and ministers of London to the Honourable Houses of Parliament, with a justification of them from the calumny of the weekly pamphleters. / By John Ley, one of the Assembly of Divines at Westminster. Ley, John, 1583-1662. 1645 (1645) Wing L1885; Thomason E311_24; ESTC R200462 96,520 124

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and not doubt they would see a good issue and good content they need not feare they may be kept a while from their desires but in the end they will have content if their owne earnest pressing for it doe not hinder Now let us come home It would be well Sir if you would come home and keepe at home and take measure of your owne parts and sit close to your Trade and not ramble abroad to busie your selfe in writing Intelligence of matters which are farre above the elevation of your Pole or the comprehension of your head-piece But your zeale perhaps such a zeale as the Apostle taxeth which is without knowledge Rom. 10.2 just like a pressing-iron which hath heat without light stirred you up to complaine of some troublesome spirits who while the Army is labouring to end strife begin it anew and they are such say you as Fame saith have been the causes of all the strife and who be they Fame saith the late Deputie of Ireland and the little Drelate of Canterburie were prime causes of the Kingdomes and the Churches disturbance And are they since their heads were cut off as Herod thought of John Baptist Mark 6.16 raised from the dead to revive our divisions Common Fame saith the Queene and her Faction that have parted the King and the Parliament Digby Hopton Goring Greenvile and other Military male-contents have caused and doe still continue the most dangerous contentions and convulsions in England as Moutrosse and his party in Scotland Ormond and his barbarous and bloody Papists in Ireland But we must looke for these make bates at home and find out such as at present doe trouble our peace and if we doe so Fame saith that they are such among us as oppose the settling of an uniforme Government and breake out communities into severall Sects such as so divide the husband from the wife the parents from the children the master from the servants that a zealous Ioshua cannot say I and my house will serve the Lord Iosh 24.15 since his family is distracted and sorted into severall Congregations and it may be also into hereticall conventicles Fame saith that such factious journeymen as Mr. D. are publique Incendiaries and Trumpeters of Sedition by taking all occasions making use of all advantages casting about for all manner of devices to increase their divided partie that they may be able to uphold a faction and because they cannot hope that their noveltie and paucitie should be able to maintaine a publique contest against so many both persons and Churches as are engaged against their way they make it their Master-piece to leaven the most considerable Societies Cities Sea-Townes Armies but especially the Parliament with their Independent Principles and practices and either to get Independents into places of chiefe power and trust or to seduce such as are eminent in dignitie endowments or authoritie to their side and if they cannot obtaine them they plot how to displace them and if they cannot doe that to render them lesse serviceable to the Publique their way is to weaken their reputation with reproaches or cunningly to intimate some matter of suspition touching their acts or intentions if they be of such integritie as is of impregnable proofe against their obloquie then they will by way of compliance worke out of them what they can which may conduce to their designe and if they can prevaile no further they will at least by an artificiall sweetnesse of behaviour by appearances of more then ordinary piety by a pretended extenuation of difference of opinion and practice and by such insinuations so becalme or becharme the spirits of some Presbyterians of eminent parts as to make them if not favourable to their cause yet so that they may not appeare against them when they should or but in a very remisse and moderate degree of opposition Lastly to returne to our Intelligencer they set up weekly Pamphleters who are wholly of their stampe or fee them or by some other artifices worke upon them to take all occasions to magnifie their partie and to vilifie and calumniate those that oppose them and so they sometimes hyperbolize a Shrub on that side into a Cedar and disparage those who under God are the chiefe pillars and supporters of the publique welfare as if they were of no more worth or use then Reeds shaken with the wind and this is not the least part of the Independent policy to drive on their designe all over the Kingdome for most of the common people know little of the progresse of publique affaires but by such Informers and they furnish them with weekly lies to honour those of their owne sect or sects rather for they are many and to cast reproaches on such as are serious and resolute in all just and lawfull meanes of establishing of truth and restoring of peace But it may be he meaneth by Fame that report which he and his fellowes in loose sheets have dispersed abroad in City and Countrey and if so I say Famaest malum his fame is infamous notoriously false as he applyeth it viz. to those who make addresses to the Parliament by way of Petition We did intreat saith he the last weeke they would let the Parliament alone and wait and no doubt they would see a good issue and good content We did intreat them to let the Parliament alone We Sir who besides your selfe and why you and what meane you by letting the Parliament alone doe you forbid the subject of England to petition the Parliament if that be your meaning as a man of Moderate Intelligence may easily perceive it is do you not mean they should be deprived of the most undoubted Priviledge and Libertie which by the Law of Nature and of Nations is allowed all over the world if the Parliament had beene of that mind since their first Session they would not have tendred so many Petitions to the King nor have received so many Petitions from all parts of the Kingdome nor could they but by the informations received in them have knowne so much of the distemper of severall Counties nor had so just grounds and causes as they had for many of their Orders and Ordinances which were issued out from that Honourable Senate and your selfe say in the next page that a part of the Parliaments Answer to the Citie Petition was that the Citizens were intreated hereafter that they would take satisfaction from themselves that is satisfaction of their doubts and desires by immediate recourse to that Honourable Court and how can that be better or more acceptably done then by way of petition But he saith They need not feare they may be kept a while from their desires but in the end they will have content if their own earnest pressing for it doe not hinder How knowes he that better then they who have put up their desires for expediting the difficulties of the Government by way of petition to the Parliament The truth is if he beleeve
TO THE RIGHT HONOVRABLE THOMAS ADAMS Lord Major of the Metropolis of England the renowned Citie of LONDON Right Honourable THe concurrent desires of people of all sorts except of such as raise their owne particular interests out of the common ruines for recovery of our peace and the pantings of many lying under the power of the oppressour for deliverance from warre have of late by the good hand of God upon our publique counsels and forces thriven up to hopes and those hopes to presages that it will be an Honourable note upon your Name in time to come to have had the good hap within your view before you give up to another the Ensignes of your Honour which is the generall vote of all the true hearted Patriots of three Kingdomes that is a well compounded and compacted happinesse made up of three of the most desirable blessings of humane society which are consistent with the condition of mortalitie and they are these 1. A sincere and through reformation of Religion in Doctrine and worship of God 2. A Discipline and Government established according to Gods word and the example of the best reformed Churches whereby with the assistance of Divine grace we may be better then heretofore secured from relapses into irreligion heresie schisme and profanenesse which have beene the great crimes and curses of the last precedent and present times though through the cunning workings of Satan the evils now in course with some degrees of improvement from bad to worse are taken by some to be the remedies against foregoing corruptions 3. A third thing which in order of dignitie is the last though in most mens affections it be the first is that according to the prescript prayer of the Apostle we may lead a quiet and peaceable life 1 Tim. ● 1 he addeth in all godlinesse and honestie but both these have beene virtually premised in the two precedent particulars This will be of so much the sweeter tast to all as either by actuall suffering or by affectionate sympathy they have taken the deeper draught of the bitter cup of furious hostility That none of this hopefull expectation may faile of effect it will be requisite that every one for his part and to his power endeavour to make it good by all the good meanes and helps which conduce to the comfort and safetie not of a few but of the whole Common weale in each of the Nations now so much shaken and in danger also to be broken in pieces 1. By making an holy Covenant with God and by being stedfast in the Covenant when we have made it so we may engage his favour and power to our partie to be not onely a friend and Patron to us but an enemie to our enemies and an adversarie to our adversaries Exod. 23.22 2. By being at union among our selves and studying as much to uphold it as the seditious Shebaes on the other side plot the setting of discord betwixt the dearest brethren and if it be not to be looked for that all who are equally concerned in the same Cause should unanimously consent in that course which may carry it on to desired successe yet there may be a fivefold union among us which may give strength unto and maintaine the reputation of the great Designe it hand viz. a through reformation both in Church and State The first union is of the two Sister Nations according to our solemne League and Covenant which must be preferred before all either factions or questuo●s interests of any particular party whatsoever For as no two Nations under heaven have more and stronger bonds of union then we of England and our Brethren of Scotland being bounded and surrounded by the Sea as one entire Iland united under one King under one Title in the Kings Royall style the King of Great BRITAINE united yet more in Language and Religion and most of all in our late Covenant for a generall Reformation of Church and State and mutuall association and assistance against all malignant combinations So nothing is more enviously observed by our common enemies then these many obligations of union betwixt us nothing more cunningly contrived or more seriously pursued by them and I wish some among our selves had neither hearts nor heads nor hands in the plot then to dis-joyne us and to make us not onely perfidiously to fall off from performance of our common Covenant but with the same hands which we have lifted up to the most High God to fall one upon another as the confounded and accursed Midianites Iudg. 7 2● and when by such wickednesse we are brought to a weaknesse which may be easily subdued but God forbid we should be both so bad and mad as to act a Tragedie upon our selves to set forth a Comedie for such malicious spectators as would make their greatest mirth of our most grievous misery we must expect the execution of the bloody and destructive designe resolved on in Ireland which a knowing Intelligencer hath reported of the rebels there in these words * The Irish Remonstrance p. 31. This Kingdome viz. Ireland settled and peopled onely with sound Catholicks thirty thousand men must be sent into England to joyne with th●●rench and Spanish forces and the service in England perfor●● then they will joyntly fall upon Scotland for the reducing of that Kingdome to the obedience of the Pope which being finished they have engaged themselves for the King of Spaine for assisting him against the Hollanders Wherein though they reckon without the Lord of Hosts who onely commands both Peace and Warre at his pleasure and swayeth the successe to which side he will yet this discovers their designe of unpartiall perdition of the Protestant partie and the discovery thereof should be a motive of more confirmed union among our selves The second Vnion is that of the Parliament and Citie whereof we have had such happy experience ever since the unhappy hostility betwixt the flatterers of the King and friends of the Kingdome that we are bound to blesse God for it and to pray for the continuance of it both for our owne time and for the ages to come The third is the Vnion of the Parliament and Assembly of Divines whose recipr●call and proportionable respects which I mean not in an Arithmeticall but in a Geometricall Proportion give much countenance and authoritie to what is propounded to the people in their names for so the command of the one will be more awfull the advice direction and resolution of the other more usefull throughout the whole Kingdome A fourth Vnion is betwixt the Assembly of Divines and the City Ministers who may the more easily accord and agree together because many of them be but the same men under severall relations and most of them are swaid by the same principles of truth and pietie and involved in a society and participation of the same duties hopes and hazards The fifth Vnion is betwixt the City Magistracie and the Citie Ministery to which
in the High Court of Parliament in ENGLAND The humble Petition of the Ministers of the Gospel within the Province of London Humbly sheweth THat your Petitioners and daily Oratours at the throne of Grace doe unfainedly blesse our God and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour the head over all things to the Church that in the midst of those many insufferable miseries over flowing and almost over whelming both this Church and Kingdome he hath graciously opened for us a door of hope in raising up continuing together and assisting of this Renowned Parliament above our expectations and against all oppositions for the rescuing both of Church and State from their deepe calamities having to these ends engaged your hearts and with you the three Kingdomes unto himselfe in so Religious a Covenant And we humbly present our hearty thankes unto the Right Honourable Houses for all their indefatigable endeavours these five yeares together for the Kingdomes happinesse and the Churches Reformation and in particular for the hopes of a speedy establishment of Church Government intimated unto us in your Directions of Aug. 19. 1645. Order of September 23. and Ordinance of October 20. 1645. In which Directions and Ordinance notwithstanding divers difficulties appeare both to us and to our people hither to obstructing our putting the Presbyteriall Government therein mentioned into actuall execution according to our earnest desires by reason of divers things as we humbly conceive partly doubtfull partly defective therein Wherefore your Petitioners in pursuance of our solemne Covenant in zeale to the glory of God the Kingdome of Jesus Christ and the compleat establishment of puritie and unitie in the Church of God for the satisfaction of our owne and our peoples consciences in this weighty matter of Church Government and for the generall benefit not onely of the Province of London but of all the Provinces in England both for present and future Ages Do most humbly and earnestly beseech the Right Honorable Houses That the Presbyteriall Government in Congregationall Classicall Provinciall and Nationall Assemblies agreed upon already by the Right Honourable Houses may be speedily established with such fulnesse and sufficiencie of power upon all the said Elder ships that they may fully faithfully and chearfully with well satisfied consciences submit unto and put in execution the said Government And that there may be to that end by your Authoritie superadded a cleare explanation of things doubtfull and full supply of things defective in the said Directions and Ordinance of the Right Honourable Houses according to the Schedule annexed and herewith humbly presented to your Wisdomes and Piety And your Petitioners c. This being the Petition to a word pardon mine incredulitie if I beleeve not that you can perswade any Intelligent Reader that so prudent a Senate as the Honourable House of Commons is could so mistake the meaning of it as to put such an odious construction upon it as an Appeale from them to the people the people of London that were to sow sedition and endeavour dissention betwixt the Parliament and the Citie whose unanimous consent and correspondence in counsels and executions have been under God the strongest suppport of the whole Common-weale a crime worthy of the reward of Metius Suffetius in * Vt paulo ante inquit Tullus animum inter Fidenatem Romanemque rem ancipitem gessisti it a jam corpus passim distrabendum dabis Exinde duabus admotis quadrigis in currus earum distentum illigat Metium deinde in diversum iter equi concitati lacerum in utroque curru corpus qua inhaeserant vinculis membra p●rtantes c. Liv. Dec. 1. lib. 1. p. 14. Livy who for his double dealing betwixt the Fidenates and the Romanes was so fastened to two Charets that the Horses that drew them being forced divers waies into a furious pace fore him in pieces But Sir if those on your partie doe no worse offices to the Citie by your insinuations into the minds of the worthy Members of the Honourable Houses then Presbyteriall Ministers doe to the Parliament by their entercourse with the Citizens there will be no occasion given for the least shew of suspition or jealousie betwixt them and whosoever shall read your paper and mine Answer will see good cause to conceive that some of your spirit have too busily bestirred themselves out of the union betwixt Citizens and Ministers to raise a Division betwixt the Parliament and Citie which he that desires to see I wish rather that the Ravens of the valley pick out his eyes Prov. 30.17 But that union doth clearly confute the calumny you cast upon the Ministers Petition for so farre is it from an appearance of an Appeale from the Parliament to the people that it plainly representeth both Ministers and people consulting and concluding joyntly to make an Appeale to the Parliament and humbly waiting to be disposed of by their finall Resolutions This is it sure for which you say the latter Petition was more sad then the former for when that came in so conformable to the Citie Petition in matter though differing in phrase style and in scope and Intention and word for word the same in a Schedule of Reasons annexed to it it was an evidence of so good agreement betwixt the most eminent Citizens and the forementioned Ministers as must needs be a great griefe of heart to those that make great advantage of the divisions of Reuben yea and of all the Tribes throughout out Israel He goeth on with a proficiencie from bad to worse and though he hath no honey at all he hath a double sting in the taile of his Intelligence scruing up a charge against the Petitioners to the highest aggravation that may be and concluding with the commination of a censure commensurate to their merit For the Charge these be his words They that is the House of Commons conceived this latter that is the Petition of the Ministers was an Appeale from the Houses to the people and of as dangerous a consequence as could be imagined Having answered the former words I will now speake onely to the latter But first I must pause and wonder a while at this superlative Slander How Sir Was that Petition of as dangerous a consequence as could be imagined no such matter Sir For what danger at all can be imagined in it when all is in effect no more but this that the Citizens and Ministers upon Petition may clearly understand the mind of the Parliament and may be throughly enabled to put in execution their commands to obey them to the full according to their engagement in the solemne Covenant Such fearefull apprehensions even of dangerous consequence if they be reall not fained may proceed from the selfe-love of your party who confine the common felicitie to your owne particular Interests and thinke the world will be in a very ill condition if the Presbytery should be set up and should set bounds to your ambitious or covetous