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A87387 New propositions from the armie, propounded by Cornet Joyce (who lately guarded His Majesties person from Holmby) to all free commoners within the kingdome of England and dominion of Wales. Wherein is more fully set forth, their further resolution and proceedings, concerning the Kings Majesties royall person, the preservation of this nation, and touching every member that challenges an interest in this kingdome. ; Whereunto is annexed, the copy of another letter sent from the Kings Most Excellent Majesty, and read in the high and honourable court of Parliament. ; Printed for the use and satisfaction of the whole kingdome. Joyce, George, fl. 1647.; Charles I, King of England, 1600-1649. 1647 (1647) Wing J1122; ESTC R201711 2,746 8

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NEW PROPOSITIONS FROM THE ARMIE PROPOUNDED By Cornet JOYCE who lately guarded His Majesties Person from Holmby to all free Commoners within the Kingdome of England and Dominion of Wales Wherein is more fully set forth Their further Resolution and Proceedings concerning the Kings Majesties Royall Person the preservation of this Nation and touching every member that challenges an interest in this KINGDOME Whereunto is annexed The Copy of another Letter sent from the Kings most Excellent Majesty and read in the High and Honourable Court of Parliament Printed for the use and satisfaction of the whole Kingdome London Printed for Robert Ellson July 17. 1647. The Kings Majesties last Message to His Highnesse James Duke of York SIR TIme being my greatest favourite and the proceedings of this object of time the chiefe supporter of my ensuing intelligence I shall here according to your desire represent unto you some particulars very remarkable now in disputation betwixt the King Parliament and Army together with a brief summary or Copy of the Kings Majesties last Desires communicated to his Son James Duke of York written by his Majesties own hand which was as we heare presented to His Highnesse by the Right Honourable Algernon Piercy Earle of Northumberland the Copy or effect whereof followeth beginning in these words viz. IAMES I Desire and do earnestly request that you may be permitted with your Brother and Sister to come downe to see me and therefore I desire you to ask leave for the obtaining of the same to accompany me for the space of awo or three dayes And because it is my earnest desire to see you I shall be williag rather then not to enjoy this happinesse that you may be permitted to come to dine with me at some convenient place and to returne the same night it may be some will conjecture that you will be drawn away by the Army but for your safe returne again the Generall Sir Thomas Fairfaxand all his Officers hath engaged themselves for it So God blesse you Your loving Father CHARLES R. Causan the 4. of July 1647. Since the presenting of this Letter to his Highnesse and acquainting both Houses with the same we have received Intelligence that the said honourable Court hath gave their assent and resolved that His Highnesse the Duke of York together with the rest of the Kings Children shall have leave to go down to see their Royall Father the King there to reside the space of two dayes and we heare that the Right Honourable the Earle of Northumberland is to attend them down Having no more at present to communicate unto you concerning the King and his Princely issue I shall reserve you to the inclosed paper and remain Causan Iuly 16. 1647. Your affectionate friend Iohn Willis A Copy of a Paper containing 4. Propositions set forth by Cornet Joyce in behalfe of the Kingdome I. Now fellow Commoners you who are borne to as large priviledges and immunities as any people on the earth which you may all challenge as your birth-right lest you should be induced through the subtilty of some litigious Lawyers or through the policy and specious pretences of any man whatsoever to judge our action of guarding his Majesty from Holmby to be illegall and contrary to the trust reposed in us assure your selves that action of ours was not a rash precipitant enterprise as some say but challenges the law of Nature Nations this Kingdome and our Commissioners derived from the Parliament for its foundation The lyw of Nature vindicates us for as in a naturall body which is composed of sundry members may lawfully seek its own preservation as from inward distempers or outward dangers that threaten its ruine so likewise may a politicall body do if the head be in danger the foot ought to run and the hand to act for its preservation and in this endeavour every member particularly as well as joyntly is obliged so that if one hand be cut off one foot lame one eye forth the other hand foot and eye are not hereby disingaged but the more firmely bound to put forth their utmost powers for the bodies fence II. The Law of Nations warrants us every Nation inviolably maintaining this that every member in the Nation ought to preserve the Nation as much as in him lyes It is a universall principle non nobis solum nati sumus c. We are not born for our selves alone but the Country in which we live challenges an interest in us this principle made many rejoyce in dying esteeming it dulce decorum pro patria mori 3. The Law of this Kingdome by which we may expect to stand or fall secures us in this Kingdome we have this Maxime that solus populi is suprema lex The safety of the people is the supremest law this was the hinge we moved upon the Kingdomes safety was endangered and without a speedy application of a timely preservative was likely to be consumed the best preservative we could see was the security of his Majesties person which our act hath effected Whose enemies are so dull and whose understanding is so stupified sottishly blind but may remember and know what a sad disaster hath befallen the Kingdome in the expence of so much blood and treasure by the surprising of his Majesties Person in the late warres who can but know had they not had his person for their designes had proved abortive We well know there was a designe to seize on his Majesty to raise a new Army and unnaturally to involve this Kingdome in its own blood and so to render our latter end miserably worse then our beginning but this we thought our selves bound to prevent if possible which we still judge and doubt not to prove it and is yet lawfull for us to doe As the King is by the law of this Kingdome bound to govern and secure us according to the Law so are wee engaged to secure his Person against the violaters of the Law which we have through the blessing of God accomplished Our end was not his enthrallment bondage and ruine as by our actions may appear but his safety and the Kingdoms preservation which otherwise we justly fear had both been endangered suppose the King through ignorance of traitors intention to destroy His Person or His Kingdome should expose himself to the mercy of him that sought his life do you imagine it would be treasonable for any one to remove his Majestie though without his consent from the place the traytor sought his life in and to preserve him but the case is yet more faire for us His judgement being satisfied his will was likewise concurring to his remove we hope this our action will be recented in good part by all the Nation for whose good it was effected Had the King been surprised another army been under his name raised the Nation once more wallowed in its owne blood then surely but too late would the people have cryed out oh that some had been stirred up to have stood in this breach IIII. The Commission from the Parliament whom some say though with more boldnesse then judgement more malice then wisdome and more envy then prudence or honesty wee have rebelled against and acted contrary to in this action acquits us for by our Commission we are bound to seek the preservation of the Kings person whether we have not so done let all the Kingdome judge what hurt to his person have we done what hurt to the Kingdome have we done we are not conscions to our selves that we have in this done amisse who hath cause to complain surely none can nor will except those who had thought to have made all men dance after their pipes kisse their hands and resigne up their birth-rights liberties and lives to their arbitrary and tyrannicall lawlesse boundlesse wills these Haman-like are mad to think a poore Mordecai will not stand cap in hand bow his knee and bend unto them FINIS