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A10748 A treatise of ecclesiasticall and politike povver Shewing, the church is a monarchicall gouernment, ordained to a supernaturall and spirituall end, tempered with an aristocraticall order, (which is the best of all and most conformable to nature) by the great pastor of soules Iesus Christ. Faithfully translated out of the Latin originall, of late publikely printed and allowed in Paris. Now set foorth for a further warrant and encouragement to the Romish Catholikes of England, for theyr taking of the Oath of Allegiance; seeing so many others of their owne profession in other countries doe deny the Popes infalibility in indgement and temporall power ouer princes, directly against the doctrine of Iesuits. To the prince.; De ecclesiastica et politica potestate. English Richer, Edmond. 1612 (1612) STC 21024; ESTC S102957 32,246 64

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most strictly to him and neuerthelesse two of them at least doe but hold by a bare and verie small threed As the third also would stand in the like case but that beeing so neere and terryfying a neighbour of all sides vnto the Pope he holds him by the throat as they say being able to starue him to death with all the Consistorie whensoeuer he will but restraine the transportation of corne out of Sicily and other his dominions round about whereby he commandeth more then he is commaunded not perhaps more then hated if they durst shew it and neuer giues their holy Ghost leaue to sing any other song but that which hee sends him ready prickt from Madrid Now then if these men when they haue done al their vtmost power yea in the stretching of their loue filial duty enlarged kindnes beyōd that which they can wel warrāt yet can they assigne vnto their father the Pope no more then a generall care of soules with a ministeriall direction onely for order and execution of Canons ouer particular Churches no power at all ouer the vniuersall Church in grosse much lesse ouer a generall Councell much lesse or in the same degree ouer the bodies of men by violence or any temporall punishment but by meere counsell persuasion onely And if not so much as ouer priuate bodies least of all ouer Kings and ciuill Princes which rather they allow and openly acknowledge to haue right and authoritie to commaund both Church and Church-men in some cases to which Princes all men aswell Ecclesiasticall as Ciuill must be most humble and faithfull subiects as being in so much as they be Lords of the territorie established by God Protectors and Defendors of the Church and of both Diuine and Naturall lawes with attribution of the materiall Sword to themselues only priuatiuely and exclusiuely from all others within their owne dominions What stop then any more deere brethren but that you shold gladly yeeld your naturall dutie and allegiance to your naturall king since ye are boūd to yeeld it euen to the froward 1. Pet. 2.18 That you should willingly giue him but that simple pawne of your loyaltie your oath the simplest that could euer be imagined vpon that great straight and necessitie whereunto the State was brought by that portentuous mischiefe which did once so nearely and daungerously threaten kingdome and vs all as you your selues haue bene most vndoubting eye-witnesses You shall not be Catholikes neuerthelesse and you know how little or nothing besides that is required at your hands your consciences are no waies pressed your thoughts are most free and your words thank God for it and your gracious King may freely expresse them In so much that euerie day some of you God forbid I should say all dispute as peremptorily speake as odiously decide as vnchristianly inueigh as publikely against vs and our Religion here in the midst of London to our selues and one to another to our owne faces as thogh they were in the verie middle of Rome or Seuil very farre from the pittilesse fiers of those hot Countries where they burn without remission not only such as speak the least word I doe not say against God for they let them alone but against the Pope for that is the greater sinne yea euen against those they can by any meanes discouer to haue had at any time any thought or bee able afterwards to haue it against him Onely all you may complaine of is that yee haue not as free and as publike exer●ise as we of the rites of your Religion And yet in some sort haue yee it by hooke and by crooke or by a soueraigne transcendency of grace so much haue euer all Magistrates of our Religion abhorred extreame execution of the lawes but being forced thereunto by violent attempts For shame therefore be contented Enioy peaceably that liberty which you may buy so cheape and rather loue the certaine quietnesse of your present estate then the incertitude of another which sure cannot be but troublesome Force not by an vnnatural rebelliou● wilfulnesse in so iust in so lawfull a matter your naturall and most gracious King to be most vnvnwillingly and with a great griefe to h●s heart more sharp against you then the sweet inclination and meeknes of his royall nature will beare I conclude with an addition to your further encouragement of some decrees d cided and set downe two hundred yeres agoe by the verie same Sorbonne against that false doctrine and such as seemed then to broach it a new whom they neuer failed to condemne and caused them publikely to aske pardon and make satisfaction as Frier Iohn Sarazin Iohn Tanquarell Florentin Iacob Thomas de Blanzy and sundrie others at sundry times did Which decrees yet now of late they haue caused againe to bee printed by their owne Printer Felix de Blanuile in S. Victors streete in Paris and bound together with this present booke with this title Of the power and supremacie of the Pope Against the Sectaries of this age Repeating once more the diffinition of the Church as it is set downe in the title page of this booke to point as it were with the finger that both sprung together out of one the same fountaine Whereby you may see how carefull they haue euer beene to dash the young ones of Babilon against the right rocke of the truth The decrees are these after a long rehearsall of the cause and ceremonies of Sarrazins recantation in presence of the Rector of the Vniuersity and whole scores of Doctors there named one by one as witnesses THat all powers of Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction other then that of the Pope are from Christ himselfe in as much as concerneth primary institution and collation but from the Pope and from the Church for limitation and ministeriall dispensation onely That those powers are of diuine right and immediatly ordeined by God That we finde in the Scripture that Christ hath founded his church and expresly ordained other powers differing from that of the Pope That whensoeuer any matters bee ordained in a Councel the whole authoritie which giueth force to the decrees doth reside not in the Pope onely and alone but principally in the holy Ghost and the Catholike Church That by the text of the Scripture and doctrine of the Apostles wee see directly that authoritie of iurisdiction was conferred vpon the Apostles and Disciples when Christ did send them forth That the power of Iurisdiction of inferiour Prelates either Bishops or Curates is immediatly from God according to the doctrine of the Gospell and the Apostles That there is some power that is the power of the Church which of right and incertaine cases can decree against the Pope That any man liuing of whatsoeuer title authority dignity or preeminence hee may be euen though hee were a Pope if onely he haue the vse of reason may commit Simony Finally most heartily intreating you to take in the best part of this my louing
will be a long time hereafter For vnlesse it be in a generall Councel it is not to be hoped that you may euer haue a constant resolution of so many so learned Doctors of your own aboue all so little interessed in your case but rather which being able to claim more then you as being Church-men theselues disclaim honestly willingly that which is not theirs the more therfore to be beleeued It is no more Luther that speakes in Bohemia Caluin in Geneua Henry 8. in England Iames the sixt in Scotland you cannot impute this to any particular quarrell or heresie They are not priuate men of another Countrie that speake in their owne sence and of which you might say they may ouershoot themselues thogh of your owne profession as the two aboue mentioned It is not one Blackwel your Archpriest one VVarmington one Sheldon your Priests of whome you might say the two former were prisoners the last a Runne-away VViddrington at least was free that so learnedly confutes Bellarmine by Bellarmine himselfe and is your own stil yea most passionate as the fashion is of all those that haue forsaken vs therefore the more worthy to be credited by you Though it be a great wonder how he hath beene able to reserue still so much reason and honesty to make a stop there since it is not the good hap of such as fall once from the steepe rocke of the truth to graspe any where but rather alwaies to tumble from an error to an heresie till they be legges and lims all broken ouerwhelmed in the bottome or rather in the bottomlesse pit yet it is not hee that speakes It is not the King himselfe of whome you might say he speakes in his owne cause though no otherwise then a good Father commending naturall duety to his belooued Children And I pray you who shal loose most or be punished at last either the godly father for admonishing his rebellious children or they for denying him his due It is not that so powerfully fulminō● in vanos illos fulminatores et vacua fulmina Capitolij learned Andrewes or any other of our graue men of whome you might say they speake to please the King They are free and franke Frenchmen that speake in Fraunce it selfe the mother of all fraunchise and freedome free not onely in their bodies but without preiudice in their mindes For of those Frenchmen they are not that part which being neerer in faith to vs heere you might perhaps nick-name Puritans open and opposite enemies to the Pope No such matter They are your owne deere Brethren rather then our commō friends the same sheep of one pretended fold with your selues the Popes most obedient and gentle children who rather by too gracious charitable a granting then by a restraining maner rather giue a new far stretched power to your common father then abridge him of any of his old It is I say whole France that speakes by her Sorbonne that whole society agreeing together as one man speaks also by one man their Sindick learned Speaker Riche● very wel known though not named The Sorbonne of Paris I say so famous through all Christendome which being an ancient cōpany of the most graue learned French doctors in Diuinity both canonicall and ciuill law is as it were a continual standing councell in France allowed by the Pope at least represents it as long as there is none else and to their oracles in that respect all France in a time of neede yea verte often many forraine Countries haue had their refuge For euē when at the first this very same book came forth without a name as a child exposd to fortun that it might be the more free to any to oppose alleadge what they would what they could against it Then indeede the Nuncio perceiuing his master so thoroughly let blood not onely in his Cefalica or Basilica that is in his headship ouer the church or royaltie ouer Princes but euen in his Arteria magna wherein consists the life and the spirit of all his being runs in a great heate to diuers Bishops and Cardinals and gathering as many as he could to accompany one the greatest indeed among them all willing nilling as one that truly hath euer bin very moderate but yet hath so neere an interest in the Pope both by oth by hope he may wel haue to be a Pope himselfe one day is sure he is more worthy of the place then the place as now it is of him sends him in al the hast to complaine to the Counsel and demand the suppression of this booke But that right worthy of that name Henry de Bourbon most worthily the first Prince of the bloud hauing thoroughly perused it before hand vndertakes brauely the defence thereof in the behalfe of our yong Lewes his Lord neere kinsman ouerthrows the reasons without reason of the Bishops Cardinall all giuing by authoritie of the whole Counsell more authoritie to the booke then it had before For e●en that other eye of France Charles de Bourbon Earle of Soissons taking then first notice of the booke therfore not able to speake much to it but vpon the assurance of his nephews sufficiencie caused it purposely to be translated to vnderstand it better and finding it also most iust equitable and well grounded it was publikely printed in French whereas it was before but in Latin Then was Sorbonne also consulted as they vse in such cases which gaue freely their opinion in fauor of the book as knowing ful wel from whence it came beginning the as it were to auow it as their own Wherupō the Nuncioes crew yet not yeelding but continuing to gather it selfe together three or foure daies to aduise of some means for their redresse as soon as that famous high Court of Parliament of Paris the right arme of our Kings in some sort Protectors of the kingdom in a nonage had notice of it they sent immediately the kings Atturny general to bid thē vpon pain of the Kings displeasure to separate thēselues leaue off such cōuenticles which were not only without but against the Kings authority of the Church about such things as were allowed by his Maiesties most honourable priu● Counsell by the Sorbonne and by themselues them three representing as it were the three Estates that is to say the whole kingdome And now that which that most Christian Fraunce saith is nothing new or of her own selfe but Serenissime Venice hath said as much vpon mature consultation of al her Diuines and saith so still Catholike Spain it selfe thinking no lesse which yet hath spoken sometimes as far as any of the rest if not further as their owne manifold Councils held at Toledo most learnedly cited in that Royall Apology for the Oath of Allegiance do manifestly iterate and testifie Fraunce Spaine and Venice the three Charites the three minions of the Pope that yet sticke