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A09170	A declaration of the variance betweene the Pope, and the segniory of Venice with the proceedings and present state thereof. VVhereunto is annexed a defence of the Venetians, written by an Italian doctor of Diuinitie, against the censure of Paulus Quintus, proouing the nullitie thereof by Holy Scriptures, canons, and catholique Doctors.	Manfredi, Fulgenzio, attributed name.	1606 (1606)	STC 19482; ESTC S114206	32,389	92

aduenturers authorized in such Actions by their dismission from obedience and incitation to suppresse their Soueraigne may draw their warrants from this title of Seculare brachium imployable at the Popes call But where there be so many Senatoriall gouernours they can hardly be at once surprised with such hidden treacheries if they can but take warning from vs to preuent the danger of The vault Treason To prosecute this Theame What the Pope may do in his malice let vs out of our feeling be still the exemplary instance Can the Pope in Venice where his doctrine is wholly receiued and where he hath so long bene an adored Idoll make no side or faction to raise among them seditions vprores and insurrections England is taught by experience what he can doe where being I say not a stranger but an anowed enemie yet hath hee stil enterprised to make a part for the stirring of tumults Commotions And hath all this bene done against vs to regaine England so farre off And wil he sleepe or let slip any opportunity to recall recouer or recommand Venice Well if his heart or his meanes doe not serue him to follow them with enforcements of fiercenesse Do you thinke that he will not as easily become a Foxe to ouertake them with kindnesse as he would haue played the Lion by terrors and compulsion Hath hee in England by so many fawnings and deprecations sought to draw vs againe into his Imbracements that are diuided from him by a broad sea of difference in many points of Religion And wil he not in the cause of Venice which hath so long bene his darling and as yet but by one parting channell disseuered which may easily bee ouerstridden vnbend his brow from his heauie frowne and turne againe his appeased countenance O that the Honourably minded Venetians would put him to it and trie his disgestion That they would holde themselues to their freedome and shake off his shakels If he doe but let it be a question till it be studied and looked into in Venice it will assuredly breed more disciples against him in one yere then twentie successiue popes shall bee able to weed out I hope it hath already euen in this course of a Table talke and by the defensiue proceedings which necessity hath constrained so fastened in his mind a corrasiue as considering the place he may for euer complaine of an Vlcer in his pretended Monarchie Then haue not I reason to suppose that he doth already euen longingly wish a kind well formed reconcilement The matter is how to worke his purpose handsomely by some cleanly carriage As where his owne desires importune him to concluding termes there vnder hand to procure himselfe to bee much importuned I haue very lately heard that there is a French Cardinall newly come to Rome to bestow his labour loue in the according of these variances What the successe thereof will be wee must expect to heare hereafter onely my conceit is that no man of any indifferent discerning can be so simple as not to beleeue that all this so rough and high blowing contention will well enough be on the Popes part quieted and accommodated Onely it concerneth vs all for the honour and loue of the trueth vnfainedly to wish that the eyes and hearts of the renowned Venetians may by the touch of Gods finger bee opened wider to let in the Lord of glory bringing in his traine his trueth and righteousnesse and that their hands and puissance may bee so strengthened with an extraordinary addition of valour as that they may from that nooke or corner of Italy become as it were Gods harbengers to make way for him throughout that goodly countrey to the suppression and demolishing of that so intolerable vsurpation Which though wee may rather wish then hope for yet respecting his prouidence in these beginnings we may with erected mindes attend the manifestation of his further ordinance in the euent which his wisedome and Iustice shall bring forth And to suckle vp our hopes herein with the opinion at the least of possibilitie if not of better likelihoods let England bee a comfortable Instance to cherish and vphold our thoughts from despairing of a successefull issue to the Venetians also How many yeeres or rather ages was England as it were in labour of this trueth That the Pope had no right in this kingdome to order gouerne command or censure any causes or persons Ciuill or Ecclesiasticall How many perillous throwes hath shee felt in her wombe and bowels to bring foorth this child what how many how mightie practises haue beene contriued to haue destroyed this child within her belly that it might neuer haue seene the light It is plainly and fully to be prooued by many ancient Records whereof some are registred in the Courts of Law of the which that learned Knight Sir Edward Coke Atturney general to his Maiestie hath made an exact and most iudiciall Collection some be remaining in the Towre as Acts and signitures of Princes or of the high Court of Parliament some are kept in Archiuis of our Spirituall Courts which also affoordeth vs some vestigia pristinae libertatis That this Nation almost at all times hath in some measure or other sought to deliuer into the world this her conception that hath liued and growen great within her against the Popes encrochings and intrusions into this Kingdome with his vnwarranted and vnlimited Supremacie If you aske me why or how the sight and publique apparance of this Trueth like vnto the birth of a childe was so long deferred and hindered First you must know that it is a Lions whelpe and nihil magnum subito nascitur next the Midwife TIME serued not nor lent not sufficing ayd but chiefly the great red Dragon that with his taile drewe the third part of the Starres of Heauen Apoc. 12. stood before the woman which was ready to be deliuered to deuoure her child when she had brought it foorth For let this be obserued as a probatum est This Kingdom did neuer make or enact any Law so forcible and ful against the Pope or See of Rome touching any such their vsurped powers or pretended rights whereof the edge and point was not straight broken or blunted by a Counter-law made at Rome That whosoeuer should prosecute any of those Lawes to execution should be and remaine vnder the heauiest curse of their greatest Excommunication Whereupon the danger of the soules damnation whereof those times of blindnesse were so sensitiue and fearefull preuailed more to suppresse and annihilate all such Statutes giuing them no effect as if they had neuer ben borne then any other respects of duety either to the trueth or to our Countrey could giue them life or strength But that I may shewe you some euidence for the proofe of that which I haue affirmed I wil so farre as my memory wanting at this present my larger notes can doe his office giue you a discerning taste of this

was so poore that he was faine to borrow those Cattell as some Doctors doe expound it the reason is for that if hee would haue taken vpon him the Authoritie of a Prince he would not haue said Opus habet but Dominus ita praecipit or some other such like To conclude they which iudge this proposition of ours hard to bee prooued doe say generally that Christ when hee entred triumphantly into Ierusalem the day of the Palmes tooke vpon him the Authoritie of a temporall Prince Whereupon the Euangelist alledgeth the prophecie Ecce Rex tuus venit tibi sedens super asinam super pullum filium asinae but hee that considereth the matter may perceiue that albeit our Sauiour was the promised King and Messias yet entring into Ierusalem in that base and abiect sort he shewed not to take vpon him the Authoritie of a Prince temporall but rather as hee said to Pilate that his Kingdome was not of this world but spirituall and eternall for temporall Kings enter into the Cities of their Kingdomes in an other maner of Pompe then Christ did sitting vpon an Asse and an Asses Colt ¶ The third Proposition OVr Lord Iesus Christ hauing neuer vsed the Authoritie of a temporall Prince it may not be said that hee left this Authoritie to S. Peter and his successors which are his Vicars seeing the Vicar is neuer more then his principall Wherupon Soto treating vpon this point lib. 4. Sententiarum and Cardinall Bellarmine de Autoritate Papae say that they wonder at the Canonists that they durst without any reason or authoritie of the New Testament affirme Quod Papa sit Dominus totius orbis directè in temporalibus A doctrine indeede ill founded and scandalous I know well that some besides the Canons which as humane Lawes in concurrencie with the Diuine can haue no equall Authoritie doe say that Tho. Aquinas lib. de Regimine Principum Cap. 10. 19. affirmeth the Pope to bee Dominus totius Orbis in temporalibus inspiritualibus But that Booke is not his as Cardinal Bellarmine sheweth li. de potestate Papae For besides other assured coniectures this is one That in that Booke lib. 3. cap. 20. he makes mention of the Succession of Adolphus the Emperour after Rodulphus and of Albertus after Adolphus which were the first Anno 1292. The second 1299. And Tho. Aquinas died Anno 1274. They cite moreouer an other place of Thom. Aqui. lib. 2. sent distin 44. where he saith Esse in summo pontifice apicem vtriusque potestatis Temporalis Spiritualis But he that reads the Text may see that Thomas was of a contray opiniō for hauing said that in matters Temporall the Temporall Prince ought rather to be obeyed then the Spirituall and in matters meerely Spiritual rather the Spirituall then the Temporall hee concludes that if it were not the Pope who hauing in the Prouinces subiect vnto him both Iurisdictions hee ought of his subiects to bee equally obeyed in the one and the other To weaken the force of this our Proposition some say that Pope Alexander 6. diuided the Indies to the Kings of Spaine and of Portugale Because hee as Christs Vicar was the naturall Temporall Prince therof and that Pope Leo 3. gaue the Empire of the West to Charles the great by the same reason But these men are very much deceiued sith Alexander not as Lord of the Indies but as Compromissary Iudge elected betwixt the Kings to appease and quench the flames of Discord by sentence determined that the seas should be diuided and that the Armadoes of the one should passe through one of those seas and the other through the other and that whatsoeuer was gotten or cōquered on either side Iure belli should be the Conquerers according to the diuision made by him as the Historians of that time report T is true that Leo 3. being chased from the See of Rome and reestablished by Charles the great caused the people to proclaime him Emperour as Platin saith which act the Historians doe attribute to the people of Rome who seeing the Empire euill gouerned by the Grecians Iure antiquo did elect an other Emperour Now they say that Charles being Patron of the State bought the title thereof of Irene and Nicephorus that were Emperours and that Irene Nicephorus were content therewith In summe be it as it will it is certaine that the Pope being driuen from his seat and being possessour of nothing gaue no Empire to Charles who already Iure belli was Patron thereof And that he gaue him the absolute title thereof it is not a thing certaine and if it were yet it may bee answered aswell in this case as in others alledged against our Propositiō that the Pope not hauing from Christ any authority in Temporall things as hath beene and shal be said more cleerely in the next Proposition if hee haue taken to him any such authoritie or hath done it by consent of the interessed or for that hee hath any Temporall power by any of the foure meanes aforesayd yet for all this hence it is not proued that he hath direct authoritie in Temporall things from our Sauiour Christ And besides many things are done by many men whereof if it be sought Quo iure they doe them it will not easily be found ¶ The fourth Proposition THe authoritie promised by Christ to Saint Peter vnder the Metaphor of the Keyes is meerely Spirituall Tibi dabo claues Regni Coelorum hee saith not Regni terrarum and reason teacheth that which is read in the Hymne of the Church Non Eripit mortalia quia regna dat Coelestia for the Temporall kingdome and the Monarchie was founded from the beginning by God the great Monarch of the world in what sort that should bee gouerned So that Christ our Sauiour did not found the Monarchie Temporall It remayneth then to say that hee founded the Spirituall which is plainely seene in Saint Ioh. cap. 20. where he hauing said Omnis potestas data est mihi in Coelo in terra yet giueth hee it to the Apostles and amongst them to Saint Peter limited and with reseruation Insufflauit in eos dixit Accipite Spiritum Sanctum quorum remiseritis peccata remittuntur ijs quorum retinueritis retenta sunt where both by the act that Christ doth by the words he speakes is gathered that the authority of the Pope is Spirituall and ouer sinne and only ouer soules according to the wordes of that prayer of the Church to Saint Peter Qui beato Petro potestatem animas ligandi atque soluendi tradidisti the which is limited as is said yea the authoritie of Excommunication giuen to Saint Peter is conditionall Math. 18. Si frater tuus in te peccauerit Ecclesiam non audiuerit sit tibi sicut Ethnicus Publicanus In the which place our Sauiour giueth authoritie to Excommunicate but the sinne and obstinacie in the sinne presupposed ¶ The fift Proposition