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A91052 A short answer to a book set forth by seven priests, who call themselves ministers of the gospel of Christ; but are plainly discovered to be lyers, and slanderers, and envious of them who are the true ministers of Christ, who abide in his doctrine. With a vvord to the reader, to read with understanding, and let the light of Jesus Christ within judge; for to that in the conscience it is spoken. H. P. 1654 (1654) Wing P36; Thomason E808_10; ESTC R207524 32,741 32

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Apostle spoke of and them as Christ spoke of coming in sheeps skins but now you are made manifest to be the wolves with the light which you stumble at as your fathers ever did Whereas you say The righteousness by faith or power of Christ in you is not to be rested in Nay from this you are excluded the power of Christ in you and the Faith and Righteousness who stumbles at his light who saith you are not sent immediately as the Apostles were but the just lives by his Faith And whereas you say The externals of the Gospel are to be used with the power of godliness and transacted to the glory of Christ Here all may see your confused muckie stuff who would mix your externals with the everlasting Gospel power of Godliness and glory of Christ And your external religion not abolished to the new creature things that be external and worldly Here you shew your selves to be enemies to the cross of Christ and your external Religion is carnal which the new creature feeds not upon and the pure Religion you are cleared from which is to be kept unspotted of the world and this is eternal and all old Ceremonies and your external Religion comes here to be trampled upon with the new creature where all things are become new but from this you are cleared and kept without who stumbles at the light Something to that you call your confession of apparel and faith this is your doctrine if you see a man boast in apparel be not troubled it may be all his portion in the world Here you shew you are holders up of the world and whom ye are friends to and Lot's righteous soul was grieved at their filthy conversation and holders up of boasters you are which the Apostles doctrine denies both and said it was excluded and gives way to that the Apostles declared against and though you say the Scripture declares against pride and wantonness in apparel yet you would not have it declared against and saith If thou see a man boast in apparel be not troubled And here you shew again what Spirit you are on the world loves its own contrary to the righteous soul Whereas you say Apparel grew in use for distinction of sexes and qualities of persons modesty and custome of the country and members of societies and greater matters Was it the apparel that grew in use for distinction of all these there you are who knows one another outwardly with your apparel who are in the customs of the country without in the fashions of the world without the doctrine of Christ and not in the kingdom of Christ and we know all creatures were created to be used in their places as servants to us and whatsoever we do and use it must be to the glory of God So all your pride amongst you rich and proud ones must down the sword of the Lord is drawn out of the sheath and fitted for the slaughter take warning all you proud and lofty ones that are numbred for the sword and all your bags of honour as you call it must be trampled upon for that which is in esteem with you in your generation is abominrble to the Lord but all men in the Lord we honour In the lusts of ignorance you are and you would make people believe it was their apparel which kept off the bruitish sort of men In the lusts and in your ignorance you are in the wanton world ignorant of the true God who confessed you was not sent before as the Apostles were and so you have not learned Christ and know not his coming and all this dirty stuff is not worth mentioning You say You declare against those who hath cast off the denying of respecting of men and you call this abominable pride Here you manifest your selves who make no distinction among men for all men in the Lord we honour but all men out of the Lord are not to be honoured for ungodly such as you are are for condemnation and the beast is not to be worshipped who hates the light as saith Jude As for your speaking of the fine linnen of Saints and the new name silence flesh and vain bablers who are without in the world but thieves who have got the Saints words but in the generation and nature of them you are that put the Saints to death who saith The persecution is much taken off in England One of your Mothers which two servants of the Lord were moved to go to Cambridge were whipped and scourged till their bodies were torn and many in your Synagogues in the North some stocked stoned beat and many imprisoned as in Carlile Kendal York Chester Lancaster Newcastle which these Goales now doth witness it the fruits of your Ministeries and now it self doth shew it's Babylon and Core and not sent immediately as you confess it as the Apostles were and God is bringing down your pride your honour renown and glory the sword of the Lord is drawn against you take warning and against all your gluttony and drunkenness which you are speaking of in your book which is not worth mentioning which shews where your mindes are but I shall let it stand for your selves And sometimes you seem to be against these things and then you turn to your God again and so denies the living God Something you do write and oppose the law of community as you call it Here you are against the Spirit of life for they that did believe were of one heart they that do believe are born of God and amongst such there was was no oppressour no taskmaster it 's said all things were common no man said This is my own but with the Spirit of the living God which sanctifies all such bruitish sensual lustful devilish and worldly covetous taskmasters oppressors and whoremongers thieves lyers cursed speakers as you are who live in all unrighteousness and in pride loftiness hath no part in this communion for no unrighteousness shall inherit the kingdom of God but your law and community is without and we deny it and you to have any part in this communion but in the lake that burnes who stumbles at the light in which there is unity and saith it is not pure and that you are not sent as the Apostles were immediately who act sin and unrighteousness and stumbles at the light so all the ungodly you think are let loose but here is no bait for them but are kept out you and them both with that in which is your communion but all the conditions of the Saints passages travels and progresses we own in their places and who acted under figures and shadows we own but you who are not come to Christs doctrine who is not come to give your coat yet who hath two you we deny And as you say giving a coat of two to him that hath none This torments you you stumble at this as at the light you enemies of God and murtherers with the
you call Quakers that they bring an odium upon the glorious affairs of Christs kingdom Reply This shall stand for your selves who live in experiences which the Minister of Christ taught to forget the things past and to press forward and there you do shew that you are raced out from the life of the Apostle and layes waste his words Priest Another of your lying slanders is that you say They lay waste Churches Graces Scriptures Principles Reply And in these I charge you Joseph Kellet John Pomrey Paul Glisson to be lyers for the Churches of the Saints Graces Scriptures Principles we own but you slander us because we deny the Steeple-house to be the Church and the Grace of God we own which teacheth to deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts and so it is in the first lesson That they do come to see with the light of Christ to deny your Church your Principle your Experiences and so are not to taste of their doctrine which perish with the using of it for you have been the proud and coveto us that have led silly women captive which have been ever learning but never able to know the truth of you And some are moved to come and cry against you therefore slander them not Priest Another lying slander you bring saying They hinder the progress of the Gospel by weakening the hands of faithful teachers Reply These are more of your lyes for the progress of the Gospel we own and the faithful teachers we own but such as you Priests who say you are not sent immediately as the Apostles were we deny Priest You are making a Pharisees confession you Priests and are learning your lesson how you are apt to slumber and how you should be stirr'd up and doth confess that your people are in deadness of their hearts occasioned by formal duties Reply Here you have uttered where you are which makes people forsake you and where one doth ten shall and see your prayers empty without the Spirit and this is to your Pharisees confession of your selves and the people and many doth see that the Lord is gone out of your publick assemblies and that Ministery he doth not own for you are such as the Lord cried wo against as stood praying in the Synagogues c. Mat. 23. and there you are all openly shewed to be none of Christs sending neither your Church none of his Body for when the Lord hath moved some to come to speak after the order of the Saints Churches and the Scriptures Some have been stocked some stoned and beat and prisoned And how can you say This is a Church of God but blaspheme God but it is as the Scripture saith Become a cage of unclean birds And as touching the Saints conditions Hope Faith I charge you let them alone and meddle not with them for them you know nothing of for your Faith is vain and your Hope shall perish and to you this is the word of God who stumbles at the light Priest And again you say Take heed of judging Ordinances as unnecessary or indifferent things Reply And here I charge you to keep people in blindness who put no difference between the Ordinances of Christ and the Ordinances of Men Priest And again you cavil because they say Minde the light in you which is Christ and is pure and that it discovers every evil and your Answer to this is Whether makes not this the Scripture unncessary and casts off all outward teachings Reply O you blinde guides this light which is to be minded which is Christ stablisheth the Scriptures and it doth bring to deny all outward teachers which is made by man for What is the chaff to the wheat Priest And again you Query Whether this brings not down the glorious mystery of the Scriptures and from every rule of duty Reply Here you have declared you know nothing of the mystery of the Scriptures but are in your own duties for the light within which shews him sin and every evil it doth teach him how to pray and watch and oponeth to him every mystery of the Scripture and without it you are all blinde and know nothing of the mystery as you make it appear and you slanderers do not incense the people that we deny the Scriptures for the Scriptures is ours Priest And in your p. 2. whereof you are tormented and saith We sit inthe chair of judgement I answer Reply God hath given us an understanding and judgement that we are able to distinguish praises to his name We were in your state and kingdom but the Lord hath brought us out of it therefore we are able to judge it and you who hath no judgement but what is false Priest And you are querying Whether leaving you to be guided by the conscience and to have no standing rule whithout you you say Whether this be not to establish Heathens and Philosophy and you conclude that the Light is not pure before Faith Rep. Here you have declared that you neither know Faith nor Light and are afraid that that in your consciences should give you that standing rule which all the Prophets and Apostles had we have Christ Jesus saith I am the light of the world and enlightneth every one that cometh into the word and you conclude this light is not pure And Christ saith He doth enlighten every one that cometh into the world and one he loves the light brings his d deeds to the light and doth not stumble and the ohe hates the light and stumbles at noon as you do which stumbles so much at the light of Christ which enlightens every one that cometh into the world But it is that you might appear that you are them that hate the light and so hates Christ and that you might be judged with all the children of light and you that stumble at this light you neither know God nor Christ nor Faith nor Hope and cannot preach the Gospel nor the Gifts nor the Words but onely death hears a fame as Job said and destruction for ●n your p 4. you leave it to the spiritual to judge and here you conclude you are not spiritual and here you are concluded to be judged by the authority that gave forth the Scriptures for the spiritual man judgeth all things and the Saints shall judge the world and you that deny this light denies the Father of lights and the Apostles exercise who exercised his conscience towards God and man and you deny the Scriptures and growth and the watching and waiting upon God for you question Christs words do you who stumble at the light wherewith Christ hath enlightned Priest For you say If every one that cometh into the world hath a light sufficient to salvation that makes the Scripture the Testimony of God unnecessary a revelation of his minde and love which are nowhere to be found but there Reply And here I charge you again to set up the Scriptures before Christ who is the love of God to