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A61133	The smoke in the temple wherein is a designe for peace and reconciliation of believers of the several opinions of these times about ordinances, to a forbearance of each other in love, and meeknesse, and humility : with the opening of each opinion, and upon what Scriptures each is grounded ... : with one argument for liberty of conscience from the national covenant ... : with a full answer to Master Ley ... against my late New-Quere ... / by John Saltmarsh.	Saltmarsh, John, d. 1647.	1646 (1646)	Wing S499; ESTC R25538	77,440	97

The Smoke in the Temple WHEREIN IS A DESIGNE FOR PEACE and RECONCILIATION of Believers of the several OPINIONS of these Times about ORDINANCES to a Forbearance of each other in Love and Meeknesse and Humility With the opening of each Opinion and upon what SCRIPTURES each is grounded With the several EXCEPTIONS which may be made against each Opinion from the SCRIPTURES With one Argument for Liberty of Conscience from the NATIONAL COVENANT With another Argument to prove the Gospel or New Testament of Jesus Christ the very Word of God Tendred to all the Beleevers to shew them how little we have attained and that there is a more glorious Fulnesse to be revealed With a Discovery of the Antichristian way of Peace c. for Opinions With a full Answer to Master LEY One of the Assembly of Divines against my late NEW-QUERE With some spiritual Principles drawn forth of the Controversie Revel. 15.8 And the Temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power and no man was able to enter into the Temple till the seven plagues of the seven Angels were fulfilled By John Saltmarsh Preacher of the Gospel at Brasteed in Kent THE SECOND EDITION CORRECTED London Printed by Ruth Raworth for G. Calvert at the signe of the Black Spread-Eagle at the West-end of Pauls 1646. To the Right Honourable the Lord Vicount SAY and SEALE and Lieutenant General CROMWEL Noble Patriots IF I mistake not you may here single out something of the Lords from what is mine and discern some beams of God amongst many things of man I know the candle of the Lord cannot shine anywhere with more snuff then in me however since the Lord hath lighted it I dare not but let it shine or rather glimmer before men I have writ your Names to my Book that I may be one of your Remembrancers amongst the rest to the advancement of Truth not but that they who know ye know ye to be acted by a Spirit of Truth in your selves The Lord remember ye according to all the good ye have done in your several Ministrations to this people and do that for ye which gives you most and yet takes most from ye even filling ye with himself till he hath emptyed ye of all but his own glory and gathered ye up into the fulnesse and righteousnesse of himself in Christ where we are onely nothing in our selves and every thing in him and surely the most and best and greatest thing he can do for the sons of men is thus to make them nothing in their own account that he that glorieth may glory in the Lord I may seem strange to wish ye thus but I know it is not strange to ye who know the Mystery of the Spirit and of Christ My Lord and Sir Go on still yet still laying your designes in a glory above that of States and Kingdoms and involving all your counsels there where there is most of Heaven and lest of the World So prays Your Servant in the Lord JOHN SALTMARSH To the Beleevers of several Opinions for outward Ordinances or dispensations scandalously called Independents Presbyterians Anabaptists Seekers Brethren I Have fairly set down how far each of you have attained in the Mystery of Truth and surely we are all short of the glory which shall be revealed in the Temple or Church of God and there are such clouds rolling about each opinion that may darken it or something of it So as things are not so clear as they are commonly taken by each of us If any man think he knoweth any thing he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know So as the common ignorance and infirmitie amongst us may be a rise for a common Vnitie amongst us and seeing we all come out of Babylon though in several wayes to the glorious Temple or Tabernacle which God hath sent down to be with men and walk thus diversly thither yet our several and distinct goings are but like so many Travellers to the Citie of London some travel from the North some from the South and from the West some from the East yet all thither though too there may be some mistaking of the way in each because of the little light that is abroad The gathering of the Saints into the Heaven or Kingdom below in this day of Revelation is like the gathering at the last day which shall be all into one glorious Body though the gathering shall be from the four winds or ends of the Earth by the several Trumpets or Angels One thing I have more Let us seek for the Spirit of wisdom and revelation to open to us the Mystery of the Scriptures called The Revelation for in that Book is the Prophecie of the Churches laid up and the seasons and times for Truth revealed Let us search and seek out by the Spirit of Jesus even that Jesus which was in the Vision and gave it out to John for there is none found worthy to open the Book with Seals but the Lamb Surely in the Mystery of Angels Vials Sea of glasse with fire Temple with Smoke the Angel with the everlasting Gospel the Angel enlightening the Earth the Whore in skarlet and pretious pearls the Cup of abomination the Beast like a Lamb the Image of the Beast the Horns and Kings of the Earth the mark in the forehead and in the right hand the buying and selling the Tabernacle of God with men the first and second Resurrection the Throne of God the pure crystal River of water the Holy Jerusalem descending from God c. In these is much of the glory wrapped up and from these shall the Truth we contend for appear to our further enlightening Yet one thing more We that are thus contenders for Ordinances for the Temple and the Vessels in it let us take heed we forget not him who is greater then the Temple for one greater then the Temple is here It would be spiritually considered that while we strive for the Vessels and Cups we spill not the Wine And it ought to be so carried by all of us that because we are so much in opinion we may not be thought to place Religion there as I fear too many do making a Christ of the very Ordinance of Christ and pressing some outward Ordinances of the Gospel so legally as some hearing such a power of salvation put into them and finding an outward dispensation more easily got then the spiritual make haste thither onely and then sit down as saved under a meer outward Ordinance The Lord grant that we may neither undervalue an Ordinance nor the least Institution of Jesus Christ nor raise it up into a Jesus Christ and set up the Law above or beside the Law-giver We must now learn to know Jesus Christ lesse after the flesh and not to embody salvation in a meer outward dispensation and so incarnate Jesus Christ over again from the glory and spirituality he is in Brethren farewell For my part

rubbish which have their use not so in the spiritual all things there are homogeneal and square and living stones c. 4. Those that he accounts rough and unsquared are in some conformity though not so polished as others 5. The best stones are not to be taken from the rest to make up a building by themselves as in separated congregations 6. Let him shew any such example in the New Testament where when there was a mixture of holy and profane as in Corinth 1 Cor. 11.21 the Apostles gathered out the holy part 7. That of Axes and Hammers hath a mysterious truth in it but not to his purpose viz. That the spirituall building is built of the soft and secret whispers and motions of the spirit Reply To that of the similitudes I fully agree with you they illustrate better then they prove To that of not carrying a conformity betwixt materialls and spiritualls too high I agree with you in that too yet not so fully for Iesus Christ the great Prophet of the Gospel preached the glory of the Kingdom in materiall comparisons in salt water leven mustard seed sowers husbandmen vines vineyards c. To that of spirituall buildings which you say are to be made up only of squared living stones I agree with you and here the Controversy might be ended If your Temples shall be of living stones the Controversy is granted But because I will not seem to mistake you I beleeve the spirituall building you mean and I are not the same here You mean as it appears the invisible spirituall or Church mysticall and yet there all is not so Homogeneall and of the same kinde neither The head of the body is both God and man and one member like one star differs from another in glory But we are speaking of the spirituall building or Church here which is the Image of the Church above and as that is of true reall essentially spirituall living stones so the Church below is to consist at least of such as visibly and formally appear so and therefore the Apostle calls them in his Epistles Saints and called to be Saints And to that of your peeces of Rubbish in the materiall building It is true But what is that to Solomons Temple which my comparision drives up to How much Rubbish can you prove in that type nay square stones pure Cedar gold c. to figure out the Gospel-building or Temple as in Heb. 9. So as your rubbish is only in your own allusion not in mine To that of your unpolished stones in your Parishes which may fit the Temple now I answer It must be then onely such a building as the materiall one you speak on which is made up of rubbish and broken pieces and if that be according to Christs patern let these Scriptures in the margin with many more determine And for their submitting in deed there is a national blinde traditional obedience in them I cannot call it Gospel-submission To that of the best stones not to be taken out to make up a building I answer I am sure we are to take in no ill unhewn unpolished and the Scripture cautions and practice are clear c. then judge you what the stones must be Nor do we so pick and chuse as if all stones were to be square alike or equally polished that is not in any materiall building Though we would take in no rubbish yet we take in stones differently squared As in the body one member differs from another the eye and hand and foot c. and members lesse honourable 1 Cor. 12. so in the body of the Church every one according to his measure and as every one hath received Nor do we stand so for the first polishing as you pretend You make as if we set up such degrees of perfection as were onely the degrees of the invisibl or mystical body when it is meerly in the degrees of visible Gospel-perfection By this you would make the carnall to abhor and the weaker to stumble and be offended as if the door of our Churches were not open for any such whom you imply were of a temper meerly Spirituall and of a size of our own not the Scriptures Let the doors of our Churches be as strait as you imply I am sure your doors are set open or rather cast off the hinges but a pure Gospel-entrance is neither too wide nor too narrow We know there is smoking flax and bruised reeds measures of grace if they can willingly submit to Jesus Christ their Law-giver and walk as members of the body there they may receive polishing and have honour and building up and many other degrees of perfection which the Saints of God obtain when they are in fellowship with the Father and the Son To that of your chalenge that I should shew any such example in the New Testament of taking out the best when there was a mixture of holy and profane I answer Those were Gospel-Churches gathered by the Word and Spirit into Gospel-fellowship and when you make your Parishes to appear such Churches then I shall tell you more till then I suspend your chalenge The world and an Antichristian Nation are both under Christs fan for gathering them out To that of a mysterious truth you speak on in the Axes and Hammers I agree with you in that and because of the mystery I therefore quoted it And whereas you sum up all the mystery into the soft whisperings and motions of the Spirit you can hardly warrant us or secure us that your interpretation is the whole minde of the Spirit and that very interpretation of yours is part of it the very same I aim at viz. to shew how the Gospel-building is softly gathered and made up by the Ministery of the Word and Spirit and not with Axes and Hammers tools of a compulsive forcing sharp and authoritative nature as c. Master Ley's Resolution Pag. 17 18 19. For that of his c. where he makes Christs description of himself c. to be against the establishment and the sutablenesse Christ presses for I answer 1. If his reason be of force against a speedy Government it is as well against a Government at any time 2. That Christ in his own nature and his Government differ exceedingly Christ came to suffer Phil. 2.7 3. Neither is Christ so remisse as not to take upon him a Government The Head must govern the Body Nor so meek He hath an iron Rod as well as a golden Scepter Psal. 2.9 Esth. 5.2 and though he was sometimes a servant c. yet sometimes a Lord too Joh. 2.14 and though he be a Lamb yet he hath a formidable mouth too c. Revel. 8.15 4. For his Scriptures produced Matth. 12.19 1 Joh. 5.3 they make nothing against a speedy but against a grievous Government And though his yoke be easie yet not easie to flesh and bloud Matth. 5.29 and 16.24 c. as in self-deniall 5. Nor hath his

out the glory of his Kingdom here therefore everie thing that proceeds by degrees is Christs government Here is some kind of Logick indeed as you say but no Scripture as for instance He that saies such a one is a living creature saies tru●ly He that saies such a one is a beast sayes he is a living creature Therefore will it follow He that sayes such a one is a beast sayes truly So He that sayes Christs government proceeded slowly saies truly He that sayes your government proceeded slowly saies truly Therefore He that saies your government is Christs government sayes truly What have you got now by your Logick Whereas you say in your second Christ gave gifts and qualifications for government I answer If you and your Parishes have such gifts and qualifications as in Ephes. 4. 1 Cor. 12. set it up when you please if not what haste Master Ley's Resolution Pag. 26 27. Now to his Rules and Considerations of Prudence The more time saith he for trying spirits the lesse danger to that State c. I answer 1 It is the dutie of a State not only to try spirits but to rule them And rather to rule them than to try them Prov. 29.15 and the longer they live without the yoke of Discipline the more enormous And for trying all things there is a due proportion of time to be observed Though it hath been the ill hap of our Church c. to have the government fluttering on the lime-twig at Westminster when it should be on the wing of actuall execution in all over the Kingdome 2. He makes it a dangerous matter for the State to involve it selfe into the designes of Ecclesiasticall power But unseasonably applyed to Presbyteriall-government because both Popish and Prelaticall power is abjured by i● by Covenant 3. Whereas he saith There can be no danger in the not too sudden incorporating c. since Moses is not aliv● c a new star may arise It is a groundlesse conceit refuted already and for that of Moses c. he bewrayeth his d●signe to debarre the government for ever and for that of a new star arising it prepares the way for some Barchochebas who pre●ending to be J●cobs star mislead th●J●wes and was called ●sword● the son of a I●e Reply You prove against me 1. That people ought to be ruled rather then tried c. 2. That some time is to be allowed for triall 3. That the government hath been fluttering too long at Westminster 4. That there is no danger to feare the Presbyteriall government which hath abjured Popery c. Dominion by Covenant 5. That some of this is refuted already 6. That my designe is to debarre it for ever 7. That a new star is a misleading star To your first I reply It is true in civill government rule there rather then try But what is that to Church-government or Discipline The rule there is the will of God which is the onely rule in government and legislative power in the Church and that is Try all things before either you rule or be ruled To your second Some time you will allow I see for triall but you ought not to measure and deal out time but by the Standard of the Word and before you call for such quick obedience as you do and as the Apostles did prove your power and truth and conclusions and by such Apostolicall and infallible evidence and then it is our sin if we submit not And let the time you deal out not be like that of States and Armies in their Treaties who are finall and peremptory in the seasons they set You cannot set such time the Spirit breaths when where it lifteth To your third What is that to the present Discipline what the Covenant abjures Covenant and Discipline are two distinct things a Covenant may abjure in word what yet a government may practice indeed Nor is it enough to abjure Popery in grosse but in every part and parcell And now having abjured it is not enough to sit downe in that satisfaction that we have sworn against Popery but to search out lest we be forsworn in the practice of it Such a duty begins from the time of abjuring and it lies not only upon the State to find out Popery but every one in his own particular is ingaged you and I and every Covenanter and therefore seeing you have ingaged thousands by conscience against Popery and to endeavour c. you are bound to give the same conscience liberty to bring in its result and enquiry els you make it a snare and trouble to Israel and not a Covenant And now I professe here a just and undeniable liberty by Covenant to bring forth all of Popery Prelacy or truth they know To your other Why should ye speak of the governments fluttering on a lime-twig at Westminster Sure the State or Parliament may deserve better of any of the Assembly then to be thought their retarders or lime-twigs How have they honoured them above their Brethren printing their ingagements to the world before every Sermon calling them into so neer a capacity with themselves though Divines have been unfortunate before and their Predecessours raised in the curtesie and piety of former States and Parliaments into a law and power above their Brethren which I hope our Brethren will remember and beware of But because I would not wholly interpret you into so dangerous a sense against the State it may be you may call your dissenting Brethren the lime-twig which if you do you are contrary to your own Argument for you argued but lately the slow proceeding into a very warrantable and Scripture way and will you now mar all and defile your Argument with a lime-twig and bewray rather your slow proceeding to have been of constraint then conscience To your other That this is already refuted I say no more but as you have formerly refuted so I have formerly answered To your other That my designe by that of Moses is to debar it for ever I answer Yea for ever would I debar a government not clear from the Word and not one haire would I debar a government that had the name of Christ in Scripture-letters engraven upon it pure Gospel-principles and proceedings To your other that a new-star is to prepare for a misguider and your story of Barchochebas upon it it hath more lightsomnesse then light in it But why should you be so pleasant with my expression of truth by a star it is the very allegory of the spirit Christ calls himselfe the morning-star the light which springs from above The Spirit is called the day-star arising in our hearts and the Spouse is attired in a crown of twelve stars Nor do I call to any to look for a new created star of truth but an old yet new appearing star to us one of those stars in the Gospel-Firmament which the Clouds of Tradition and Ignorance hinder us from seeing And now what of your