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A31391 A Caution to all true English Protestants concerning the late popish plot by way of a conference between an old Queen-Elizabeth-Protestant, and his countrey-neighbour. 1681 (1681) Wing C1558; ESTC R36286 12,077 14

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mouth if it at Tyburn or some such place for the promoting the Popish design or Treason his being hang'd is enough to procure the pardon of that Lye But Capt. Bedlow expected no pardon from any of their Priests neither was at his dying hour in a capacity of receiving it from Esq Ketch C. How do the Papists hold such dangerous Errors then surely no wonder that some of these Jesuits were so confident in their lying at Tyburn it being said by the Learned that one of them dyed with another lye in his mouth P. That 's true Gawen did so as hath been shewen by those that writ Answers to their dying Speeches and as all the Learned know and it hath been since proved by Mr. Jenison that another of them dyed with a lye in his mouth and therefore their confident pleading their Innocency when most guilty should never tempt you to doubt concerning the being of a Popish Plot. C. I cannot but acknowledg that there hath been and it may be still is a Popish Plot but is there not a Presbyterian one too P. Alas poor man what should tempt you to fear that there is a Presbyterian Plot. C. Tempt us to fear a Presbyterian Plot do you say Good Sir don't you hear some of our Clergy that are good Protestants to make the Presbyterians as bad as the Papists yea worse for some of them say they would rather turn Papist than Presbyterian and if the Presbyterians are as bad as Papists why may not they then have their Plots as well as the Papists P. Neighbour I must confess that there are too many of our Clergy who do very frequently talk as you say but you must remember that there are a greater number of the more sober and judicious of our Clergy that are of another mind and who are griev'd at the very heart to find so many young brisk blades in their Pulpits and out of them to be so subservient unto the Papists in their Plots which must either be an effect of their folly or of their treachery unto the Church of England C. What Sir do you say it must be the effect either of their folly or treachery unto the Church of England How do you make that out Good Sir P. This is easily done for unless they are prodigiously ignorant they cannot but know that the bravest Protestant Subjects in the Land are branded by the name of Presbyterians as appears by Mr. Dangerfield's Narrative yea such persons as are the honour of our Church and the Glory of the Kingdom are under the Presbyterian name rendred Plotters such as my Lord President and many others Which being so what Son of the Church without folly or treachery can say that the Presbyterians are as bad as the Papists What! is the Glory of the Church of England when under a Presbyters name as bad as Popery and would they indeed be rather Papists than such Presbyterians what do they then say but that they themselves are really Papists C. They do not mean those worthy persons you mention but such as are for Petitions to wit the Dissenters from the Church of England P. Neigbour see how you are abus'd For 1. the Papists whose design these men serve mean all undaunted Protestants when they say Presbyterians 2. You your self suggest the same for by Presbyterians you mean such as were for Petitioning viz. Dissenters But who more for Petitioning than such as are for the Church of England Who were those that Presented the Petitions were they not Sons of the Church Again How many Grand Juries Petitioned but are all those Dissenters Really if all such as were for Petitioning be Dissenters from the Church the Church of England is become inconsiderable which is according unto Popish suggestions which are that either we must be Papists or Presbyterians as if there were no Protestants in England but the Presbyterians and as if the Church of England had dwindled into nothing or turn'd Papists or Presbyterians and that the Parliament being hearty enemies against Popery are Presbyterians Thus you see how those young hot-heads among our Clergy do either discover great Folly or Treachery or both C. I must acknowledge that part of our Clergy who do talk thus do discover themselves guilty of great folly or of a wretched Treachery But I hope 't is not so with all our Clergy P. No surely 't is not the temper of all the thorough Protestants among the Clergy which are many they abhor these things though for their doing so are hated by these high-flown men as much as if they were Dissenters C. Truly Sir I think you are in the right but I would fain know what those Presbyterians are that the name is become so odious P. If you expect that I should acquaint you with what the Presbyterians are I must first distinguish between a few hot brains that are among them and the more sober and greater part C. Why Sir are there hot heads among them also How comes this to pass P. There are some Fools and Knaves crept in amongst all Protestant Parties whether Episcopal or Presbyterian and a thousand to one but the high-flown and factions on all sides are the extremely ignorant or such as are but Protestants in Masquerade i. e. Protestants in name but Papists in heart The over-zealous in all parties who are of the more ignorant sort being the Fools made use of by these disguised Papists that turn themselves into all shapes as their interest directs C. Do you really believe that this is so Good Sir P. I do indeed for Divide Impera hath been ever the Roman Maxim that is to use all means for the dividing Protestants and in order hereunto the man of sin of late call'd The Gentleman of Rome sends forth his Instruments among all sorts of Protestants with a dispensation for the dissembling their own and for the professing any other Religion and accordingly 't is not to be questioned but that there are some among our Clergy others among the Dissenters at least among the Presbyterians in Scotland where through their influence some of a softer temper have been ensnared to an insurrection These Emissaries being the brands of Hell that have turn'd the whole Europaean World into a fire they being the men to whom we owe all our divisions Civil Wars c. yea these Jesuits are the men that occasion'd the last Wars and the Death of the late King and all the Disturbances that have been ever since C. Really Sir you have acquainted me with what I knew not till now Pray good Sir shew me how I shall come to know these for let them be of our Church or among the number of Dissenters did I know 'em I would hate 'em as I hate the Devil P. Neighbour 't is hard to give Infallible tokens of these Villains since 't is so easie for the Devil to transform himself into an Angel of light however that you may not be grosly deceived I 'le tell