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A09170 A declaration of the variance betweene the Pope, and the segniory of Venice with the proceedings and present state thereof. VVhereunto is annexed a defence of the Venetians, written by an Italian doctor of Diuinitie, against the censure of Paulus Quintus, proouing the nullitie thereof by Holy Scriptures, canons, and catholique Doctors. Manfredi, Fulgenzio, attributed name. 1606 (1606) STC 19482; ESTC S114206 32,389 92

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trueth concerning Englands continued claime of her owne Imperiall rights and her manie prouisions decrees and consultations tending to the renunciation or abdication of any the Popes Interest or intermedlings in England In the 14. yeere of K. H. 1. the Popes Authoritie was so little esteemed in England as that it was come to that passe that no persons were permitted to appeale to Rome in cases of Controuersie Their Synods and Councels about Ecclesiasticall affaires were kept without seeking any his licence or consent And they would not obey such Legates as hee sent nor come to the Conuocations which they held In the 31. yeere of K. H 3. The Pope vnderstanding that diuers rich beneficed men in England died Intestate he ordeined a Decree That the goods of any Spirituall persons dying Intestate should remaine to the Pope which Decree purporting the Popes oppressiō in preiudice of this Realme and the suruiuing friends of the deceased the King in no sort would suffer to take place And the same King by his Letter Inhibitorie did flatly forbid a talage of the Cleargie which the Pope about that time had required In the 30. of E. 1. the Popes Peter-pence being not his due but rather the King of Englands Almes were denied to the Pope In the 17. yeere of K Edw. 3. the Commons pray the Kings assent to banish the Popes power quite out of England And in the same yeere vpon the Popes intruding of himselfe to make a peace betweene the King and France King Ed. sent him word That if hee would mediate betweene them as a friend hee would heare him but in no sort if he intermeddle as a Iudge In the 50. of E. 3. the Commons complaine that all the miseries of the Kingdom come by the Popes vsurpation beseeching the King this being the 50. and the Iubile yeere of his Reigne that hee would ioyne with them to cast him out for that he doth not pasture but pill Gods sheepe In the times of E. 3. R. 2. H 4. and H. 5. sundry Statutes were made against then that out of the Court of Rome obtaine or pursue any personall Citations against the King or any of his Subiects or that procure from thence any impetrations and prouisions of Benefices and offices of holy Church And for that as I before declared the Pope on the other side opposed to these Statutes his Interdicts and sentences of Excommunication against the obseruers of the same In the 13. yeere of R. 2. the said Excommunications also are so farre disauowed as that for the maintenance of the Liberties of the Kingdome and the dignity of the State it was ordained That if any did bring or send within this Realme any summons sentence or excommunication against any person for the cause of making motion assent or execution of the said Statute of Prouisors he shall be arrested imprisoned and forfeit all his Lands and Tenements goods and cattels for euer and moreouer incurre the paine of life and member And a Prelate making execution of such summons or sentence to forfeit into the Kings hands all his Temporalties Neuerthelesse for a long space after whether by reason of our continuall ciuill broyles in England which scant affourded any leisure of thinking much lesse of prosecuting vpon this cause or for that the superstitious ignorance of those times did entangle or rather captiuate the consciences of our people this point of the rights appertaining and incident vnto the Royall power Maiesty of this Imperiall Crowne and of the Popes vnlawfull oppressions and vsurpations within this Land lay asleepe was silenced and suffered open wrong vntill the latter dayes of K. H. 8. who instructing himselfe by the conferences and disputations of his learnedest Diuines and by the aduise and assent of the whole State assembled in Parliament fully and finally decided this question with the absolute exclusion and extermination for euer out of this Realme and the Dominions thereof of any the Popes Authoritie and Iurisdiction Thus hath God his prefixed periods for the producing at the last of that trueth which hee oft suffereth his Church to be long in trauaile of Then why should not we likewise reteine some comfortable conceits of Gods accomplishing and bringing to an happy effect of that worke in the Venetian State though sensim gradatim whereof hee hath of his prouidence and goodnesse and by occasions which for the iustice thereof may expect his blessings begun and layd so likely groundworkes ANd now my good friend for a closing conclusion to this my ouerlong letter as remembring wherefore I ted this tale Lend me a little more of your gentle patience whilest I draw out of the fresh remembrance of this Relation some satisfactory vse for the iustification of the Nationall Lawes of England and the Iustice of our Magistracie from the scandalous imputation of crueltie in our prosecutions against our professed Aduersaries transgressing our Politicall and poenall Ordinances Which I will comprise in a comparison betweene our English proceedings with these of the Venetians not intending at this time to sort out for them any other example or presedent then what I here haue already with my best iudgment wel obserued knowing that if I should post through France Spaine Italy and all Germany to collect proofes demonstrations to that purpose it would be as to me a labour supererogatory so to them whom nothing will satisfie like a charme to a deafe Adder It cannot be obscure to the whole world That our Royall kingdome hath for many yeeres together quite expelled the Pope with his Supremacie and superstition where the Venetians for any thing yet of publique note haue not fallen from him in any point of Religion no not disauowed his gouernance or Supremacie in causes Ecclesiasticall but onely excepted against his intrusion into the right of their owne Iurisdiction in causes on their part iustifiable by all humane and Diuine rules Yet haue they resolued vpon and pursued courses no whit inferiour in rigour and extremitie to the sharpest Lawes made with vs in so long a time and after so manifold and violent occasions Yea though the matter concerned vs in the deepest degree euen of vter esset vter imperaret both our regall and Imperiall rights lying at the stake in conflict with the Papall vsurpations and our Religion Peace Iustice and tranquillitie being continually infested by the positions oppositions practises and iniuries of the Romish faction You see the Commands and prohibitings of the Venetians to be all accompanied with the terrors of death which is vltimum in malis I doe not taxe or dislike this their seeming austeritie But I inferre that as necessitie coacteth them to be seuere so that our Lawes being enforced from vs by the like coaction haue also the like defence of naturall reason and primatiue Iustice in the righteous directions whereof they and wee doe agreeingly concurre What doe you thinke they would doe if they had once made a generall reuolt or