Entertainment that William Rufus Henry the second King John and Henry the eighth Princes of this Kingdom met with from the Universal Father For even that Prince whom I mentioned last not only lived and died himself in the Romish Faith but put to death all such as were Arraigned for being otherwise minded So that the only reason why he was Excommunicated by two Popes one after another his Kingdom interdicted his Subjects absolved from the Fealty they owed him and a disposal made of his Crown to others who were intrusted with the Exemption of the Papal Censure was nothing but his declining the Authority and Jurisdiction of the Pope and his vindicating those Rights which by our ancient Law appertained to the Imperial Crown of this Land Let Princes and People be never so zealous in all other points of the Roman Faith if they do but dispute the Universal-Jurisdiction of the Triple Crown they expose themselves to Depositions Interdicts and whatsoever else it pleases his Holiness to denounce against them It is but for a Monarch or State to thwart the Capricio and cross the humour of the Pope or disoblige the Court of Rome and they immediately run the hazard of being destroyed under the very Countenance and Allowance of those Doctrines which have the stamp of Articles of Faith The Interdict of the State of Venice by Paul the fifth the Murther of Henry the third of France and the Assassination of Henry the fourth likewise of France were some of the late Commentaries upon the foregoing Principles and Items to the world that though they did not think fit to act up to them at all times yet they reserved them in their Petto to be made use of upon occasion And it may not be altogether unworthy of our observation that the Murther of Henry the third by James Clement a Dominican was not only magnified in a solemn Oration by Sixtus the fifth which was afterwards Printed and Published at Rome but it hath been lately translated by some Romish Priest or other with the Latin in one Column and English in another and that in all likelihood to inflame some Papal Votary to the like attempt upon His Sacred Majesty section 2 So that were there no dishonour to arise to God danger to the Souls of men by the re-introduction of Popery amongst us the hazard of enslaving these Nations to a Forraign Power and of making the Crown truckle to the Papal Mitre may awaken every generous as well as Loyal Soul both to watch against and oppose all secret tendencies as well as open attempts towards a matter of so pernicious a Consequence Nor is it unworthy of our remark that besides those foregoing advantages which the Pope would have over this Nation in common with other Nations by virtue of his Monarchy over all persons and things in ordine ad spiritualia upon which alone he might as heretofore he hath done Anathematize our Kings Divest them of their Royal Power and not only Absolve their Subjects from Fidelity and Obedience but Commissionate and Impower them to make War upon their Soveraigns and both to Depose and Murder them under the encouragement of meriting Heaven by so doing I say it is not unworthy of our reflection what other latent claims besides these as he may be likely to revive of an absolute and uncontroulable Temporal Jurisdiction over these Kingdoms The King of England saith Bellarmine is subject to the Pope by a two-fold right first by reason of his Apostolick Power and secondly by right of proper Dominion For as to England he may be ready to plead if not King Henry the second his submitting his Crown to the Pope yet King John's resignation of it into the hands of the Popes Legat and receiving it again as a Feudatory to the See of Rome And for Scotland he may possibly revive that title which so long ago as Boniface the Eighth he pretended over that Kingdom namely That the Kingdom of Scotland belongs of right to the Church of Rome and that it is in the Popes power alone to give it to or take it from whom he pleases And lastly for Ireland who knoweth but that they may start as a pretence for a temporal Jurisdiction over that Nation Henry the thirds swearing homage to the Pope for it and obliging himself to pay a Tribute in recognition of the Papal right It s true these things are impertinent and ridiculous in themselves yet were Popery re-established in England and the people brought under the conduct of the Jesuites who as they labour most effectually in the perversion of the Nation so being the Janizaries of the Holy See its easie to apprehend how far they may mis-improve them towards the serving the interest of the Pope in case any difference should arise either between the King and him or any other Forraign Prince that his Holiness for secular ends shall think fit to befriend Surely it s with respect to these pretensions that Bellarmine so solemnly declareth That these Kingdoms are the Diminions of the Church and that the Pope is our natural and direct Lord and the King at best but his Vassal And it was in pursuance of this right that Gregory the thirteenth Commissioned Tho. Stukeley an English Rebel against Queen Elizabeth to conquer the Kingdom of Ireland for his Holiness's Bastard-Son James Boncompagnon And by virtue of the same pretension did Innocent the tenth during the late Wars usurp a Royal Power over that Nation and accordingly gave forth all kind of Commissions by the hands of his Nuncio And if divers principles of Popery are unfriendly to the safety of Monarchs section 3 and quiet of Kingdoms even where their Religion is Nationally received and submitted to we cannot imagine that the Peace and Security of these Nations who not only are of a different Religion but declare against them as Antichristians and Idolaters should be better provided for if occasion serve to do mischief For besides the liableness of all Protestant Princes and People to the fatal consequence of the foregoing Doctrines of the Papal Usurpation and Jurisdiction over all Nations they have others particularly and especially calculated to Authorise and Justifie their destruction and ruine Such as that we are all Hereticks and thereupon are not only de jure Excommunicated by the Lateran Councel under Innocent the third but de facto pronounced such for ever by Paul the fourth anno 1558. And as if that were not sufficient we are in de Bulla Coenae Domini read commonly on Maunday Thursday solemnly Cursed And thereupon the Papists in the several Dominions where the Protestant Religion obtains are not only discharged from all Allegiance to Princes but all Catholicks are obliged by the strictest bond of Conscience and under the penalty of the utmost hazard of their Souls to depose such Heretical Princes They are so far from being guilty of murder saith Vrban the third that kill any who are Excommunicate that
as not to know how upon the like hopes from Mary Queen of Scots being next Lineal Successor to Queen Elizabeth the Romish Party did from time to time contrive and design the death of that Excellent Princess of ever Blessed Memory And was it not the sense which our Ancestors had of this that influenced them to enter into an Association through the whole Kingdom even in an Interval of Parliament wherein they mutually obliged themselves in case the Queen should be taken off by any undue means to avenge it upon the Papists And this Association was so far then from being apprehended a Seditious or Illegal Bandying of Persons together that the Parliament that assembled the Year after did not only Approve it but Ratifie it into a Law Well do the Papists know that should they loose this Advantage which they have from the Duke's being a Papist and of such legal hopes of the Crown for the Reestablishment of their Religion they may never enjoy so fair and probable an Opportunity again They perceive the King as likely to live as the Duke and therefore reckon it absolutely necessary to Anticipate the Course of Nature and not trust matters of so great Consequence as the seeing these Nations once more subjugated to Rome to such a contingency as the Kings Dying in a natural way before the Duke And that which Mr. Dugdale divulgeth every where to this purpose deserveth a serious Remark namely That the Jesuits having calculated the King's and the Duke's Nativities which by the way is Treason by Law and finding that the King would in a course of Nature outlive the Duke they thereupon agreed and resolved to have him cut off by violence The having a Popish King again in England would be of so great concernment to the See of Rome that we may easily conceive especially seeing the Principles of their Religion do befriend them that they will not boggle at the Murder of his Present Majesty to compass and effect it And whatsoever security the Protestants may flatter themselves with as to their Religion from the Promises which his Highness may make unto them yet this may serve to undeceive them that not only the Council of Constance hath determined that no Faith is to be kept with Hereticks but that Martyn the 5. told Alexander Duke of Lithuania that if he kept his Oath with such he sinned mortally Secondly the advantage which they reckon upon the Kings Death ariseth not only from the consideration that the Presumptive Heir is a Papist but that he is more zealous for that Religion than Princes of the same Religion either are or use to be It is of great concernment to their Interest to see a Papist how lukewarm and indifferent so ever in that Profession exalted to the English Throne But to have a Prince of burning Zeal and Ardour for the dignity of the Triple Crown to be advanced to sway the English Sceptre is of far greater consequence to them than most Persons are willing to apprehend I know that there are some Monarchs of the Faith of the Church of Rome that are not of the Faith of the Court of Rome and therefore though they give all due protection and incouragement to the Romish Religion yet it is still without suffering it to undermine the State or to introduce the Papal Jurisdiction Though they countenance their Subjects in the Papal Worship yet they are not willing to see them inslaved to the Popes Usurpation But whether the Duke of York should he once arrive at the Crown would think it enough to allow the Pope only his power in Spirituals without granting him the right which he challengeth in Temporals I cannot tell but this I can say that the hopes which the Jesuits have of seeing the whole Papal Jurisdiction established by his means and as fruits of his Zeal to the Holy See over these Kingdoms is a great motive to precipitate his advancement to the Monarchy and for their conspiring the Destroying of His Majesty who is the only Remora in the way Thirdly the advantage which they count upon by the Kings Death ariseth not only from their Assurance of the Presumptive Heir's being a Papist and one of zeal and ardor for the Papal Chair but that he is moreover under the conduct of the Jesuits For I do remember that Father Campian and Father Anderton did not only frequently declare that the Duke of York was of the Romish Religion but that he was brought over by their Body and that they had the greatest influence over Him And as this was the common discourse in the Jesuits College at Rome so it was received with great joy and acclamation by the whole Society Now as there can be nothing more fatal to any State than to have the Prince under the Conduct of the Jesuits so the power they pretend to have obtained over the Duke of York hath its share in the animating them to hasten his Reign and in order thereunto to destroy His Majesty And to this purpose I shall here add what I heard some of the Fathers say For Father Campian having intimated that many set themselves against the Establishment of the Popish Religion in England he added that nevertheless it must flourish again in that Nation and we are do the great Work and restore it And Father Warner upon whom I had a Bill of Exchange from Rome he being Procurator for the Jesuits at Paris having paid me the Bill did thus declare himself unto me Religion must be set up in as high a manner as ever in England and we must be the Promoters of it though many set themselves in opposition to us Blessed Promoters and Restorers of Religion who conspire the Murder of Kings and Overturning of Kingdoms in order thereunto And are they not fit men to have the Guidance of the Consciences of Princes who besides all the other ill Principles which they are imbued with are more sworn Vassals to the Jurisdiction of the Pope than any other Order of the Roman Church I do moreover declare That when I was about to leave Rome and section XVIII return into England both Father Anderton Father Campian and Father Green assured me that there would suddenly be great Alterations in Church and State in this Kingdom And that there was but one Man in the way meaning the King who might be soon removed out of it Yea the same Fathers informed me That they were assured from the most Eminent persons of this Nation that their Religion should be Established again in these Dominions in as great Glory as at any time heretofore and whosoever opposed the Establishment of it should be removed And I do withall remember that waiting upon Abbot Montague at Paris as I was in my return homeward the said Abbot after he had congratulated the seeing me in a Religious Habit and told me that being of the Order of Secular Priests I was in the Apostolical way of Teaching he further subjoyn'd That
as well as by Power and Force may at once and instruct us what measure and favour his Heretical Neighbours are to expect from him if incited against them by the Pope and invited to the Undertaking by the English Papists If neither the advancing his Granfather Henry the Great to the Crown nor the securing himself in his Royalty when sought to be dethron'd by the Prince of Condy deserve or obtain better measure of Requital that what the Hugonots in France daily meet with what may these of the Protestant Religion in England look for from a Prince that besides his knowing the pretensions of the Kings of England to the Dominion of France and his remembring the Conquests that our Ancestors made upon that Monarchy and his sensing that his present Majesties Council and Arms have hindred the Carrere of his late Successes I say what may we look for from a Prince who besides all this is at once encouraged by the Pope invited by the Roman Catholiques in England and inflamed by his own ambition and pride as well as animated by his zeal to the Catholique Cause to turn his Formidable Preparations against these Lands But to conclude this I do particularly affirm that the success of the French Arms abroad hath emboldned the Papists in England in their designs of Subverting not only Religion but the Government A Third great step they had made to the subjugating these Kingdoms to section IX their Idolatrous Religion and the Tyranous yoke of the Roman Court was their preventing the Presumptive Heir to the Crown For howsoever they can here affirm with all the Asseverations imaginable especially when in conversation with credulous and easie Protestants that the Duke of York is still of the Established Religion only that he is a Prince of more generousness than to comply with the Capricioes of a Parliament in renouncing this or Swearing to that as they shall in an humour Enact Yet they not only know and beleeve the contrary but both make their boasts of it and erect their further hopes upon it Father Anderton Rector of the English College of Jesuits at Rome Father Campion Minister of the same College and Father Green Procurator for their Order at Monto Portio have often told me when I was in Italy that the Duke of York was of their Religion And as the Perversion of his Royal Highness gave them nearer prospects of their Establishing their Superstition and Tyranny once again in these Kingdoms and Dominions so it contributed to too effectually to the bringing over many of all Ranks and Qualities to them For as I have when abroad frequently heard the Jesuits glory both in the acquisition of such a Convert and that many Gentlemen through his example had renounced Protestancy and embraced the Roman Catholique Doctrine so the thing carries a self Evidence in it nothing being more familiar in the observation of Ages than that the influence of a Person of the rank quality and legal hopes of his Royal Highness should sway vast and large numbers of people to espouse the Persuasion that he had taken up There is a great part of mankind that seems to own this or that Religion who yet do it not upon any rational grounds or motives of conviction but with respect of Secular interests wordly advantages and accomodations And persons of this Figure being in truth of no Religion will not publickly avow themselves but vigorously impose that upon others which appears suited and calculated unto their carnal an worldly Ends. And the Atheistical Principles which I am afraid too many have imbib'd from a great pretender to Philosophy and Politicks namely that all the obligations of the Law of God upon the consciences of men may be violated by the Authority of the Sovereign in his own Dominions and that no person is accountable at the Tribunal of the Lord for renouncing Christianity it self and much less for the disclaiming Protestancy providing he hath the command of a Ruler to authorise him in what he doth I say I am justly apprehensive that these and the like abominable Notions which many have suckt in from Mr. Hobbs do not only dispose men to be of the Roman Faith if at any time the Sovereign proves to be so but that not a few under the meer prospect of what is likely to be have judged it most convenient to antidate themselves of that Religion which they foresee that in a little time they must be of Moreover it is not easie to be conceived how the Duke of Yorks being a Papist hath encouraged vast numbers of Romish Emissaries to come over hither afforded them security while here and emboldned them in their addresses to all ranks and degrees of Persons And as the City and Country never swarmed so much with all sort of Romish Ecclesiasticks both Secular and Regular as since the perversion of his Royal Highness so by their accosting the hopes of some and addressing the fears of others from the Duke's being a Papist they have and that upon my own personal knowledge prevailed upon many to conform to his Example For I very well remember that Father Campian being returned from England to Rome where I then was did not only confirm them that were here in the belief of the Duke of Yorks being a Papist and of his having been often at Mass but withall affirmed that through his Example many Gentlemen were not only turned Roman Catholicks but Jesuits Surely it was upon a due knowledge as well as mature deliberation that the Great Senate of the Nation April 27. 1679. Resolved Nemine Contradicente That the Duke of York 's being a Papist and his hopes of Coming to the Crown such hath given the greatest Incouragement to the present Conspiracy and Designs of the Papists against the King and the Protestant Religion section X Nor was this either the only progress they had made to the Reinslaving the Nations to Rome but through the interest of the Duke of York and the universal influence he had both at Sea and Land and likewise at Home and Abroad they obtained divers of these persons who were most zealous for the Papal Jurisdiction and in whom they could best confide to be advanced and preferred into places of Power and Trust. And of this there needs no further Evidence though many more instances might be assigned but the advancement of my Lord Clifford to be Lord High Treasurer and Sr. William Godolphin to be his Majesties Embassador in Spain and my Lord Bellasis to be Governor of Hull 'T is true that by the late Tests which His Majesty and the Parliament have provided for such as were to be Imployed in publick Trusts that Papists might be the better and more effectually known and distinguished from Protestants There are both some removed who had been advanced to places of Trust Authority and profit and some others kept from arriving at those stations in the Commonwealth and in the attaining that place and interest in
Religion and induced to Espouse the Faith of the Church of Rome I was accordingly received with great Ceremony into the said Church by Cardinal Grimaldi Archbishop of Aix in Provence 'T is true they do not think meet to celebrate the reception of every one that goes over to them with so much solemnity but yet it is not without many and considerable reasons that they think meet sometimes to do it For though in effect they have only cause of glorying over the ignorance weakness or lusts of the Party they have Proselited yet they would have it pass for a Triumph over the Religion which he hath forsaken And though all that they can truly boast of be the ensnaring some Person that neither understood the Religion which he relinquished nor that which he espoused but was meerly captivated with the hopes of Pleasure Profit and Preferment Yet Protestancy must be brought upon the stage as weary of it self and the Popish Religion must be recommended to the Ignorant multitude from the Victory it hath obtained over such a thinking learned and conscientious Man Thirdly I would suggest this that being received into the Bosom of the Romish Church I went thereupon to Rome and was entertained in the Jesuits College Where by my continuance four years and running through my whole course of Philosophy and at last taking Orders of Priesthood and through my being sometime Prefect of the Study I injoyed these opportunities of knowing their Sentiments and Doctrines concerning Protestant Princes and of their Designs against these Nations with their hopes of Reenslaving them which I shall now declare Nor will it I hope be reckoned a piece of Immodesty and I do affirm that partly through my success in my Scholastick Exercises and partly through the favour I had with Cardinal Rochi Major Domo to the Pope to whom I had dedicated all my Theses and partly from the familiarity I had with all the principal Fathers of the Jesuits in the English College I had not only the advantage of Hearing what was publickly said either in Schools or Refectory but was allowed Access to private Discourse with the most Eminent Fathers in the College where I had their Opinions concerning the King of England and an account of their Purposes towards Him and the Kingdom inculcated to me These things being briefly premised and intimated That which I have section XV next to offer is that whilest I was at Rome I frequently heard the Jesuits both teach in Schools and preach in Pulpits the Doctrine of the Pope's power to depose Kings So that according to them no King doth Reign but at the pleasure of the Pope And from hence we may learn these two things 1. That it is not only lawfull but necessary in order to the preservation of the peace and safety of the Kingdom that all who have imbib'd these Doctrines should be accounted Traytors and accordingly proceeded against though never convicted to acting up to them The Principle it self is the highest of Treasons and therefore there needs no further Over-act for the condemning such Criminals So far as the Popish Religion hath only an influence upon the future state of men it was never punished with death in England it is only upon the foot of those Doctrines which instruct and countenance them to overthrow the State and Government that Romish Priests are justly made liable to suffer And therefore the Priests who were lately Executed without being Arraigned for any thing save for their being so and their withdrawing His Majesties Subjects from the Religion by Law Established were as reall Traytors as those who were convinced for Conspiracy against the Kings Life 2. I would further infer from the foregoing Doctrine that no security can be had of the Loyalty of any Person that is so possest For so long as he holds that any one hath Authority to depose the Prince under whose Government he lives it is impossible that such a Prince can be secured of the fidelity and allegiance of that Subject And it is very remarkable that whereas some of the Irish Papists since His Majesties Restauration had in a Remonstrance prepared for the persuading the Government of their Loyalty only acknowledged though they had not sworn it that King Charles is their Lawfull King and the Pope hath no power to Depose him how thereupon they are told from Rome that they had renounced the Catholick Faith and that they were fallen under the Condemnation of the Apostolick See For as the Popes Nuncio at Brussels by a Letter dated July 21. 1662. informs them how that their Remonstrance being examined at Rome by Cardinals and Divines was found to contain Propositions condemned by Paul the Fifth and Innocent the Tenth and that the Pope was so far from approving it that he did not so much as permit or connive at it and therefore condemned it in this Form that it could not be kept without breach of Faith according to the Decrees of Paul the Fifth and that it denied the Popes Authority in matters of Faith according to that of Innocent the Tenth I do further declare that during my abode at Rome I heard the Jesuits section XVI often affirm and publish that it was not only lawfull to Kill any Prince or Person Excommunicated and declared a Heretick but that it was meritorious to do so Nor was this the Opinion only of one or two or of such as might be esteemed Rash and Giddy but it was the common Doctrine of all the Jesuits there And I do by all that may obtain credit with Mankind testifie that I have heard it Asserted by Father Anderton Rector of the English College of the Jesuits at Rome Father Campion Minister of the said College Father Robert Southwell Assistant to the General of the Jesuits Father Buckley Pentionary for the Pope Father Green Procurator for the Jesuits at Monto Portio within fifteen Miles of Rome And from this I desire to make these three Remarks 1. That every Protestant Prince is hereby exposed to the mercy of any one that under the encouragement of meriting Heaven will take the boldness to Assassinate Him For all such Princes both by the Decrees of their Councils and the Cannons of their Church as well as by the Bulls of divers Popes are not only pronounced Hereticks but actually Excommunicate Nor are the Jesuits singular in this Opinion that it is lawfull to kill Heretical Princes for the Pope himself by a Decree in their Canon Law hath taught and declared the same We do not esteem them Murderers saith Pope Vrban who shall happen to kill any Excommunicate person out of an ardour and zeal to the Catholick Church their Mother Secondly I would observe from hence what opinion we are to have of all that the five Jesuits declared upon their Salvation in their late dying Speeches God was equally invok'd to be a Witness of all they said and their Salvation was alike pawn'd upon the truth of one
this Informant asked him what he thought of him Who answered I doubt there is some Guilt in him because he had enquired of him when he came from Windsor how the King diverted and how he went attended Whereunto he answered in Hawking and Fishing attended only with three or four Persons Mr. Ireland replied he wondred He would go so slenderly Guarded He were easily taken off and then he paused But sometime after Mr. Robert Jenison repeated that he feared there was something in that Plot for that Mr. Ireland said to him at another time that there was but One in the way and were He remomoved the Catholique Religion must flourish again in England Whereupon this Informant said those were damnable suspitious things which Mr. Ireland had spoken about the King And thereupon old Mr. Jenison rose up and swore Mr. Ireland was a Rogue and so left the Room and determined the discourse at that time But some time after in this same Month this Informant walking on the Leads with Mr. Robert Jenison discoursing of the Jesuits being in the Plot the said Robert Jenison told this Informant that Mr. Ireland had at another time told him that Sr. George Wakeman was a Fit person to Poyson the King being the Queens Physician and a Papist upon which this Informant said he hoped the King would not take Physick of any Papist in regard they might be Jesuitically inclined and the Jesuits were against Monarchy in Temporal Princes though appointed by God himself Upon which the said Mr. Robert Jenison asked are the Jesuits against Monarchy Whereto this Informant replied you may easily judge that by their taking off many Kings and Princes and by their holding it lawfull for the Pope to deprive Kings of their Kingdoms and to dispose of them at his pleasure so that though a King be Anointed of the Lord and one that should not be touched by violent Hands yet not only His Kingdom but His Sacred Life lie at the Popes pleasure Mr. Jenison answered does the Pope allow of this This Informant answered yes they have often practised it in this and other Kingdoms and thereby brought more Schism and Division into the Church than ever was before such Damnable things were practised by the Pope and his Emissaries Whereto Mr. Jenison replied you Seculars are generally against the Jesuits and in many things against the Pope Whereunto this Informant replied if you please to consider the Frauds and Devilish Artifices the Jesuits use in their practice and teaching their Politick Interest and industrious Self-seeking all under the Hypocritical zeal and Characters of Religious though none so Irreligious you would not admire why all Secular Priests are against them and the Pope for upholding them and their Practices and Principles Mr. Jenison replied thereunto he beleeved they were Crafty men upon which this Informant asked him how he came now to say they were Crafty men having formerly spoke so much of their Sanctity He replied because he considered several odd and suspicious Expressions Mr. Ireland had spoken to him Whereupon this Informant replied you will not only give the King and Country satisfaction in Declaring the odd and suspicious Expressions of Ireland who is now imprisoned for the Plot but also discharge the duty of a Christian and Obligation of a Subject urging many other reasons to perswade Mr. Jenison to make a full Discovery to the Council Whereunto Mr. Jenison replied he doubted the Jesuits would prove as Black as their Habits adding that his Brother Mr. Thomas Jenison the Jesuit told him there was a Design in hand in which if he plaid his part he might with ease and safety raise his Fortune and that he answered his Brother he would use all lawfull means and that he thereupon replied the means were not only Lawfull but Meritorious otherwise their Body and the Chief Catholicks of England would not be therein concerned as now they were Whereupon this Informant asked him what he understood by his Brothers discourse and whether he did not understand that the Jesuits and Papists had some design against the King and Religion Who answered he might well understand and suspect they had some such Design in hand And thereupon this Informant again pressed him to make a full Discovery to the Council when he came to London if his Evidence were judged material And this Informant told him that he held himself bound in Conscience to discover all that he heard from him if he omitted to do it himself urging that his Evidence would at least wise be fortifying to others Testimony And this Informant very well remembers that coming about a Week afterwards with Mr. Robert Jenison from Mr. Fenwick's House at Baywell Mr. Bowes met them and drew Mr. Jenison aside all discoursed together some time after which Mr. Jenison singled out this Informant and told him that he believed his own Brother Mr. Thomas Jenison would be Hanged and several other Persons of Quality who were concerned in this Horrible Design Thereupon this Informant asked why Who answered a Handfull of Jesuits could not carry on such a Design without the assistance of Persons of Note and Power and the Pope himself must be in because of his Purse and he believed the Plot was Universal because his said Brother had told him the Greatest Catholiques in England were concerned in that Design wherein he would have had him to have plaid his Part. Declaring he had reason to believe it was to destroy the King and Government Whereunto this Informant replied can you swear it Who answered I will not swear it now and thereunto this Informant replied will and can are two things Mr. Jenison further added he was once in Company of Five or Six Jesuits and that all their discourse was then tending to the Destruction of the King and Government all agreeing to the self-same end but himself but that he had not contradicted them in regard he was young and inferiour in Scholarship And this Informant asked him what he meant by Persons of Note and Power ingaged in the Plot He answered the Chiefest Catholiques in England but refused to name them saying in passion do you think I am privy to it But added by God they will have a Bout with the Duke whereby this Informant did believe there was a Hellish Plot and that the greatest Catholiques in England were in it and that Mr. Robert Jenison knew more of it than he did at that time lay open And this Informant speaking something of the Popish Emissaries ingaged in the Plot meaning the Jesuits and Monks Mr. Jenison asked him whether he was not a Popish Emissary Wherunto this Informant replied No he did abhor the Name and that he was a Preacher after the Ancient Apostolical Way which teacheth all to fear God and honour the King and to be obedient to all Superiour Laws and Magistrates To which Mr. Jenison replied the Jesuits hold it lawfull to Depose and Murder any Heretick Kings and to dispose of