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A36109 A Discourse presented to those who seeke the reformation of the Church of England wherein is shewed that the new church discipline is daungerous both to religion, and also to the whole state : together with the opinions of certaine reverend and learned divines, concerning the fundamentall poynts of the true Protestant religion : with a short exposition upon some of Davids Psalmes, pertinent to these times of sedition. 1642 (1642) Wing D1616; ESTC R41098 212,174 304

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reges eorum propterea cecidisse quia Ecclesias spoliav●runt resque eorum vastaverunt alienaverunt vel diripuerunt Episcopisque sacerdotibus atque quod majus est Ecclesiis eorum abstulerunt pugnantibus dederunt Quapropter nec fortes in bello nec in fide stabiles fuerunt nec victores extiterunt sed terga multi vulnerati plures interfecti verterunt regnáque regiones quod pejus est regna coelestia perdiderunt atque propriis haereditatibus caruerunt hactenus carent verba Caroli Mag. in Capital Caral l. 7. c. 104. bitter and peremptory To make such actions therefore lesse odious and to mitigate the envy of them many colourable shifts and inventions have beene used as if the world did hate only wolves and thinke the fox a godly creature The time b Turno tempus erit magno cùm optaverit emptum Intactum Pallanta cùm spolia ista diemque Oderit virgil Aeen lib. 10. it may bee will come when they that either violently have spoiled or thus smoothly defrauded God shall finde they did but deceive themselves In the meane while there will bee alwayes some skilfull persons which can teach a way how to grind treatably the Church with jawes that shall scarce move and yet devoure in the end more then they that come ravening with open mouth as if they would worrie the whole in an instant Others also who have wastfully eaten out their owne patrimony would be glad to repaire if they might their decayed estates with the ruine they care not of what nor of whom so the spoiles were theirs whereof in some part if they happen to speede yet commonly they are men borne under that constellation which maketh them I know not how as vnapt to enrich themselves as they are ready to impoverish others it is rheir lot to sustaine during life both the misery of beggars and infamy of robbers But though no other plague and revenge should follow sacrilegious violations of holy things the naturall disgrace and ignominy the very turpitude of such actions in the eyes of a wise vnderstanding heart is it selfe c 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Demost Poenam non dico legum quas saepe pe●rumpunt sed ipsius turpitudinis quae acerbissima est non vident Cic. Off. lib. 3. Impunitu credis esse quae invisa sunt aut ullum supplicium gravius existimas publico odio Senec. de Benef. l. 3. c. 17. a heavy punishment Men of vertuous quality are by this sufficiently moved to beware how they answer and requite the mercyes of God with injuries whether openly or indirectly offered By meanes whereof the church most commonly for gold hath flanell and whereas the usuall saw of old was Glaucus his changeing the proverbe is now A Church bargaine And for feare lest covetousnesse alone should linger out the time too much and not bee able to make havocke of the house of God with that expedition which the mortall enemy thereof did vehemently wish he hath by certaine strong inchauntments so deeply bewitcht religion it selfe as to make it in the end an earnest sollicitor and an eloquent perswader of sacrilege urging confidently that the very best service which men of power can doe to Christ is without any more ceremony d Huc ventum videtur quod non sine gemitu dixerim ut magna hominum pars credat sese tùm demum verè regnum Antichristi evasisse si cum bonis Ecclesiae ludant pro libitu Calvin Ep. 33. vide etiam ep 13. 65. 68. 108. vbi de hac sacrilegâ dissipatione queritur In the time of Popery the Church of Geneva was very richly endowed with great revenewes At the reformation Calvin and Farell called upon the magistrates as they would answer it to God to imploy all that holy stock only to pious and holy uses assureing them they could not any other wayes bestow any part of it without the guilt of horrible Sacrilege So it is a degree of Sacrilege any way to alter the wills and intentions of founders so far as they are tolerable They promised fairely but haveing possessed themselves of the goods and patrimony of the Clergy they set apart some small portions for the University and the ministers bestowing the rest in fortifieing their walls and furnishing their magazine against the Bishop the lord and owner of the towne and other more base uses Calvin seeing this Sacrilege and detesting it was wont to say with great griefe I see wee have taken the purse from Judas and given it to the Divell Severall men of credit have heard this related by a grave learned French minister yet liveing or very lately in England to sweepe all and to leave the Church as bare as in the day it was first borne that fulnesse of bread having made the children of the househould wanton it is without any scruple to be taken away from them and throwne to doggs that they which layd the prices of their lands as offerings at the Apostles feet did but sow the seeds of superstition that they which did endow Churches with lands poysoned religion that Tithes and oblations are now in the sight of God as the sacrificed bloud of goates that if wee give him our hearts and affections our goods are better bestowed otherwise that Irenaeus Policarps disciple should not have said wee offer unto God our goods as tokens of thankfullnesse for what wee doe receive neither Origen hee that worshippeth God must by guifts and oblations acknowledge him the Lord of all in a word that to give unto God is error reformation of error to take from the Church that which the blindnesse of former ages did unwisely give By these or the like suggestions received with all joy and with like sedulity practised in certaine parts of the Christian world they have brought to passe that as David doth say of man so it is in hazard to bee verified concerning the whole religion and service of God The time thereof may peradventure fall out to be threescore ten years or if strength doe serve unto fourscore what followeth is like to be small joy for them whatsoever they be that behold it Thus have the best things beene overthrowne not so much by puissance and might of adversaries as through defect of counsell in them that should have upheld and defended the same FINIS THE DANGERS OF NEW DISCIPLINE TO The STATE and CHURCH Discovered FIT TO BE CONSIDERED By them who seeke as they tearme it the Reformation of the CHURCH of ENGLAND COMPOSED BY A TRVE PROTEstant a Loyall Subject a Loving Fellow Member of the Common-Wealth of England Scotland and Ireland who dayly prayes for KING and PEOPLE and a Setled peace in all three KINGDOMES Printed for W. R. ANN. DOM. 1642. PSAL. 69. V. 9. The zeale of thine house hath eaten me CErtaine learned and wise men of old time that had no understanding or savour of God when they considered with themselves to