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A49890 Plain dealing, or, Nevves from New-England a short view of New-Englands present government, both ecclesiasticall and civil, compared with the anciently-received and established government of England in some materiall points : fit for the gravest consideratin in these times / by Thomas Lechford ...; Plain dealing Lechford, Thomas, ca. 1590-1644? 1642 (1642) Wing L810; ESTC R12846 46,269 88

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advise stil doe the same alway with subordination to the Evangelisticall leaders and fit Christian and Nationall Synods 21. If the Parson should not rule alone ordinarily why should the principall leaders rule ordinarily alone without the advise and assistance of a competent number of their Presbyters who may afford them counsell Did not the holy Apostles advise with the Elders a sometimes is it safe for them or the whole 22. But were there any Bishops superintendent over other Bishops or Presbyters in the first hundred years after Christs birth Did not Saint Iames write his Generall Epistle to the twelve Tribes which were then scattered abroad no doubt in many places and therein mention for Rulers onely b Elders and S. Peter write his generall Epistle and therein direct or command the c Elders not to over-rule the flock the Lords inheritance where was the Order of Bishops had not the Elders the rule might they not else have returned answer that the command concerned not them but a certaine Order of men called Bishops above us 23. Were not the Apostles and Euangelists then living d Bishops and superintendent overseers had they not the e care of all the Churches in their lines did not these holy Apostles S. Iames and S. Peter mention their owne names in their Epistles is it not plain that Peter had over-sight upon those to whom he wrote to see that they did not over-rule and take account of them if they did And did the Lord ordaine there should be such a superintendencie onely for an 80. years and not some equall correspondent superspection also in after-ages when those extraordinary men should cease If some had then the care of all the Churches should there not be some in after-times to have the care of some to a competent number of Churches in their fitting lines and as they are f able And though this Divine right be broken through the many grosse corruptions of successions and the like yet is it not equall to observe the first Institution as neere as may be as we say the equity of some Lawes and Statutes among us is sometimes to be observed though not in the Letter And why may not a chiefe Pastor be called a Bishop as well as an Elder or any other officer heretofore superior 24. If g Psalms and Hymnes and spirituall songs are to be sung in the Church and to sing melodiously and with good harmony is the gift of God and uncomely singing a kind of sin in the holy Assemblies why should not the chiefe leaders and rulers of the Church appoint some in their stead to take care of the singings of the Church and may not some be fitter to lead in singing then others and lest they may fall out of their tunes to jarring why may they not use the help of some musicall instruments and lest they should want able men this way why should they not take care that some children be trained up in Musique 25. Whether or no Christ did not allow of a h form of Prayer and a short one too will not the i strong allow the weak helps in Prayer are not the best Christians often distracted in long Prayers is it not easier for the strong to pray then for as strong men to hear Prayer well should those that are strong Proficients in grace not be satisfied without all their weak brethren come to the same pitch of high sanctification with themselves should they not rather k condescend to the weaker And although it be rare to tell of any actually converted by formes of Prayer and Scriptures read yet who can justly deny but that much good hath been is and may for ever be done by such things that way Sicut ultimus ictus quercum non caedit extrema arena clepsydram non exhaurit as the last stroak fells not the oake nor the last sand exhausts the houre-glasse 26. Whether may not a man l and his household a woman and her houshold a whole m City or Countrey a King and his people a whole Nation be baptized after they are competently instructed in the Religion of God 17. Is it certain that all that were baptized in n Cornelius his house in the o Gaolers house in Lydia's in p Samaria in q Corinth were such true beleevers as now good men require all those that joyne with them to be before they will receive them to the Communion of their Church Were not r hypocrites admitted baptized in the Primitive Church by the Apostles and Evangelists themselves being deceived by them Were not children circumcised in the old Testament and baptized all along in the times of the New so received into the bosome of the Church 28. Could or can ever any Nation probably be brought into the obedience of the Gospel poll by poll in such manner as is imagined by the leaders of separations 29. If it be possible let them make experience and try whether the Indians or any other Heathen people can be so converted before the Greek Kalends 30. Whether there be any direct Scripture for the peoples choice of their chiefe Pastour Can there ordinarily be a better election then when the supreame Magistrate who hath at most times the power of all the people and sometimes their counsell in a regular way joynes with a select and competent number and company of Presbyters in the same 31. Whether any that have not skill grace and learning to judge of the parties to be ordained whether they be fit and able to what they are to be ordained may s ordaine them 32. Whether or no to maintain a desired purity or perfection in the Magistracie by election of the people these good men of new-New-England are not forced to be too strict in receiving the brethren and to run a course tending to heathenisme 33. Whether have not popular elections of chiefe Magistrates beene and are they not very dangerous to States and Kingdomes Are there not some great mysteries of State and government Is it possible convenient or necessary for all men to attain to the knowledge of those mysteries or to have the like measure of knowledge faith mercifulnesse wisdome courage magnanimity patience Whence are Kings denominated but from their skill and knowledge to rule whereto they are even born and educated and by long experience and faithfull Counsellors enabled and the grace and blessing of God upon all Doe not the wise good ancient and renowned Laws of England attribute much yea very much trust and confidence to the King as to the head and supreame Governour though much be also in the rest of the great body heart and hands and feete to counsell maintain and preserve the whole but especially the Head 34. Hence what government for an Englishman but an hereditary successive King v the son of Nobles well counselled and assisted 35. Whether we the posterity of the Church and