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A10173	Protestants demonstrations, for Catholiks recusance All taken from such English Protestant bishops, doctors, ministers, parlaments, lawes, decrees, and proceedings, as haue beene printed, published, or allowed among them in England; since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome: and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof. And euidentlie prouinge by their owne writings, that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn, co[m]municate with English Protestants, in their seruice, sermons, or matters of religion: and soe conuincinge by the[m]selues, their religio[n] to be most damnable, & among other things, their ministery to bee voide, false & vsurped.	Broughton, Richard, attributed name.	1615 (1615)	STC 20450; ESTC S112509	81,861	158

ministery wee are all one wee are all of one faithe VVee are ministers of the worde by one order wee preache one faith and substance of doctrine Then which nothing was euer more truly said or written Willet Antilog pag. 15. 20. Your greate Controuertist D. Willet writeth thus amonge protestants of ●ngland there is noe difference or diss●nt in any substantiall point of faith As for puritans and Caluinio-papists they are termes of papists deuisinge D. Georg● Abb. sup pa. 90. 106. 236. 237. Povvell sup pag. 48. 52 Your present protestant Archbishop of Canterbury is soe confident herein that hee vseth thes wordes Noe Goliath against vs can proue the contrary D. Powell with publicke approbation hath thes wordes Noe reformer euer distinguished betweene protestants and them of the reformed church The puritans doe not affirme the diuision betweene protestants and them to bee in substantiall points non but papists affirme that protestants and puritans differ in substantiall points of faith and hee lyeth which saith they differ in substantiall poyntes Like are the testimonies of others But thes are fullie sufficient in this place Therefore seeing I am to alleadge onelie causes and reasons essentiall and substantiall in Religion from thes your english protestant Bishops and doctors why their countrie Catholicks may not by their owne doctrines and proceedings communicate with them in matters of Religion It is euident that noe english protestant or puritane may or in conscience ought to denie any such authoritie to bee cited in this treatise or any conclusion truelie and scientificallie deduced from such their allowed principles for in soe doeinge by their generall graunt before hee should become a papist and a recusant to communicate with protestants or a blasphemous Goliah vncircumcised philistine or a lyer by their owne censure and Iudgment which would bee new and vrgent causes to auoide all spirituall communion with such men Wherevppon presuminge that noe aduersarie will soe muche disable my studyes in diuinitie and artes subordinate vnto yt But that I am able from graunted and allowed principles to deduce necessarie and vndemiable Conclusions I therefore doe confidentlie name this worke A booke of english protestants Demonstrations for English Catholicks recusancie Because the moste iust causes of Catholicks refusall to communicate with protestan●s in Religion are euidentlie proued by those protestants them selues in this Treatise And soe in all obedient and humble manner I take my leaue I rest and hope to continue for euer in all dutifull and beseeminge obedience and loue to our moste blessed Sauiour his Holie church and Religion his maiestie my dearest countrie and your Lordships the moste honorable portion thereof as I haue before professed and obliged myselfe by attestation and bonde vnuiolable PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLICKS RECVSANCIE The first particular protestant Demonstration why english Catholicks may not communicate in spirituall thinges with protestants is because by their owne testimonies yt would bee an act and offence vnreasonable irreligious and damnable THAT it is not lawfull for any Catholicke or member of the Romane church to communicate in Religion and spirituall thinges with the protestants of England I demonstrate by their owne testimonies And first argue thus Noe professors of Religion may lawfully and with securitie forsake that church and communion in which by the testimonie of aduersaries themselues there is saluation and many haue beene by that profession glorious Saints to communicate with a new Religion whereof there is noe such hope or certaine expectation But the state of Catholicks by communicating w●th protestants and forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome should bee in this ●erplexitie euen by thes protestants confession Therefore they may not in conscience forsake communion with the Romane church to ioyne with thes protestants in such busines The fi●st proposition is euidently true for good thinges and certaine may not bee left and forsaken for thinge● either euill or vncertainely good And that men may not communicate in a straunge Religion is confirmed by D. Couell and M. Hull prouinge yt by many Couell exā ●a 200. 201 Hul. Rom. ●ol p. 30. 31 32. 33. 34. Sutcliff exā of petit pa. 10. 11. Povvel ref ●pist apolo●●tic pag. ●5 23. 26. 27. 100. 114 112. 113. c. Feild pa. 27 pag. 182. examples and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie T●at wee may not communi●ate ●ith men of a diuers Religion D. Sutcliffe telleth vs that such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of aun●i●nt Christian Emp●rors The like hee testifieth of Holy scriptures M. Powell is plentifull in this matters and not needfull to bee cited no● man of learninge and conscience affirminge communion in a false or contrary Religion to bee lawfull The minor proposition of certaintie of saluation in the Roman church is thus confirmed by thes protestants D. Feilds wordes bee thes the Romane and la●ine church continued the true church of God euen till our tyme and againe in this maner Wee doubt not but the church of R●me in which the Bishop thereof exalt●d himselfe was not withstanding● the true c●urch of God that is hel● a sauing profession of the truthe in Christ and by force thereof conuerted many contryes from error to truthe D. Couell writeth thus in the name of them all Protestants Couell def of hooke pa. 68. doe gladly acknowledge them of the Romane church to bee t●● family of ●hesus Christ they of Rome Were still are in the church it ●● straunge for any man to deny them of Rome to bee of the church Wee affirme them of the Romane church Couell supr pag 73. 76. to bee partes of the church of Christ and that those that lyue and dye in that church may bee saued Yett both hee and D. Feild giue this sentence Couell sup pag. 76. Feild p. 69. Feild pag. 182. there i● noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church D. Feild further telleth vs that diuers of the Romane church euen of the best learned that coulde not pleade Ignorance bee saued and Saints in heauen Their Bishop Barlowe hath written how greate difficultie it is for princes to bee saued Barl. ag a name l●sse Cathol Willet An. pag. 144. Speede Theat of greate Britan yett D. Willet writeth thus it is not denyed by any protestant but many renowned kinges and Queenes of the Romane faithe are Saincts in heauen The names of our moste holy kinges and Queenes of England which M. Speede in his late Theater of greate Britanie relateth to haue forsaken their Crownes and kingdomes to become pore Monkes Nunnes in that church and Religion and to bee chronicled for all posterities to haue beene moste holy one ●arthe and now glorious Saints in heauen are too many to bee recited Therefore seing thes protestants assure vs that the church of Rome is the true church of Christ they that liue and dye in yt come to heauen and many

such are soe renowned Saints with God in heauen and that out of the true church there is noe saluation remission of sinnes or hope of eternall life and there is but one true church Catholicks in conscience cannot forsake the Religion and communion of that sacred and sauing Roman church to communicate with protestants Againe I argue thus That church and Religion ● vnto which all former good Christians of this kingdome whether Brittanes Romanes Saxons Danes Noruegians or Normans kinges or subiects were vnited in Religion vntill the tyme of kinge Henry the eight is still in all prudent Iudgment to bee continued in and communicated withall But the Romane church and Religion is such Therfore not to bee forsaken The maior proposition is euidently true for of necessitie that Religion of Christ which is good and maketh the professors of it such is to bee embraced and followed and they which embrace and followe yt to bee imitated and communicated with and the contrary to bee auoyded and forsaken for as it is the nature of goodnes and good thinges to bee desired and embraced Soe of euill such things to bee left and refused The Minor proposition is manifest by too many protestants to bee recited in this place I will therefore onely alledge their cheifest latest and moste approued writers M. Speed taking vppon him the name of the Author of the late booke called the Theater of greate Britaine is soe partiall a reporter Theater of greate Brit. in all christian kings vntill Henry 8. of things for protestants by Instigation of their Bishops and Ministers that hee is taxed by all indifferent men that were either the Composers of yt or that haue perused it with equall Iudgment And yett hee is wittnes through the Regiments of all Christian kings of England from Lucius the first vnrill the desolution begen by K. Henry the eight that the popes supreamacies Holy sacrifices of Masse prayer to Saincts and for the deade reuerence of Holy relicks and Images pilgrimage purgatory and other catholicke doctrines now impugned by protestants were euer allowed and generally practiced in this kingdome by practice and deuoute profession whereof to omit subiects though of high renowne sonnes and daughters of kings them selues more kings and Queenes in England became religeous monkes and Nunnes and now by thes protestants are honored for glorious kinges Queenes and Saincts in heauen Then euer were protestant kinges and Queenes in all the world though neuer so● vnworthy the name of Theater of greate Brit. pag. 33. n. 8. pag. 49. n. 5. pag. 53. pag 159 p. 161. pag. 294. pag. 298. pag. 301. pag. 305. Theat supr pag. 344. pag. 47. pag. 302. pag. 306. pag. 308. pag. 310. pag. 311. pag. 338. pag. 361. pag. 364. pag. 366. Saincts or sanctitie Such were as thes protestants tell vs Kinge and Sainct Ethelbert kinge and Sainct Offa and Sainct Fremandus his sonne kinge and Sainct Cheldwald kinge and Saint Sebba and his sonne and heire kinge and Saint Sigh●rd kinge and Saint Ceolnulph kinge and Saint Egbert kinge and Saint Ethelred kinge and S. Errcombert kinge and S. Inas kinge and Saint Richarde kings and Saincts Edwards kinges and Sainct Epmunds and others women Queenes and Saincts Queene and Saint Outhburge Queene and Sainct Etheldred Queene and Saint Kineburge Queene and Saint Eadburge Queene and S. Eue Queene and S. Ethelburge Queene and S. Oswith kinge Sebba his wife not named by them Queene and Sainct kinswith Queene and Sainct Ermenh●ld Queene and S. Sexburge Queene and S. Ethelswith Queene S. Elfride Queene and S. Eanfled Queene and S. Edgine Queene and S. Edith Queene and S. Elfgine Queene and S. Emna Queene and Saint Eleanor with others That thes holy kinges and Queenes now glorious Saincts in heauen such as a false Religion could not make them were of that holy catholicke and Romane Religion which wee now professe and for profession Theater in those kinges and Queenes c. Bale l. de scrip Britan. in Augustino Parker in antiq Britan in Cranmer will in Synops Antylog c. Theater pa. 203. cap 9. Suteliff ag Kell pa. 105 Theater sup pag. 222. kinge Edw. lavves fol. 231. pag. 1. thereof vndergoe soe many miseries not only this their Theater but their pretended Bishop Bale before their soe named Archbishop Parker Doctor Willet and others testifie neither was there from the begynning by their writings any Religion or iurisdiction lawfully practised in this kingdome but from S. Peter the Apostle and the Popes of Rome of S. Peter thus they write That hee here founded churches D. Sutcliffs argument of Supreamacie and ordayned preists and deacons is reported by Simon Metaphra●●es out of the greeke antiquities not likely to corrupt for the Romane church Guilielmus Eisingrenius in the first of his Century whoe saith that Peter was here in Neroes tyme They vrge for Pope and S. Eleuthertus epistle to kinge Lucius the lawes of S. Edward published by their protestant frend M. Lambert of Kent out of their Bishop Parkers library And by them and those their published lawes is euident that the Brittanes did not onely receaue all spirituall Iurisdiction Religion Bishops and preists from that holy Pope but temporall benefites more then protestants are gratefull for or I meane to vrge or stand vppon The wordes of those their cited lawes in the very page before are thes concerning King Edwards lavve● fol. 130 pa. 2. the Crowne of England The whole land all the Ilands to Norway and Denmarke belonge to the Crowne of his kingdome and are of the appendancies and dignities of the kinge and it is one Monarchie and o●e kingdome and was sometime called the kingdome of Britanye and now called the kingdome of Englishmen For Lord Eleutherius Pope whoe first sent an hallowed Crowne to Britanny and Christianitie by Gods inspiration to Lucius kinge of the Britannes appointed and allowed to the Crowne of the kingdome such metes and bowndes as are said before Of our Conuersion and Religion by S. Augustine and after they haue spoken sufficiently before I will add but one testimonie of their primatiue kinge and Saint Ina● their words bee thus Kinge Ina builded the renowned abbey of Theater pa. 298. 299. n. 11. Glastembury moste stately to the honor of Christ Peter and Paule where formerly stood the old Cell of Ioseph of Aremathia Which this kinge Ina after a moste sumptuous maner new built The Chappell whereof he garnished with gold syluer and gaue riech ornaments therto as altare Chalice Censor candlesticks Bason and holy water buckett Imadges and pale for the altare of an incredible value For the golde there vppon besiowed amounted to three hundred three pownde whaight and the syluer to twoe thowsand eight hundred thirtie fiue pownde besides prctious gemmes embrouched in the celebrating vesteres hee instituted a yearely payment to the See of Rome a penny for an howse on lammas day called Peter pence After hee had raigned in

PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLIKS RECVSANCE ALL TAKEN FROM SVCH ENGLISH Protestant Bishops Doctors Ministers parlaments lawes decrees and proceedings as haue beene printed published or allowed among them in England since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof AND EVIDENTLIE PROVINGE by their owne writings that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn cōmunicate with English Protestants in their Seruice Sermons or matters of Religion and soe conuincinge by thēselues their Religiō to be most damnable among other things their ministery to bee voide false vsurped Princes haue persecuted mee without a cause Psalm 118. By IOHN HEIGHAM at Douay VVith Licence ANNO 1615. A BRIEFE TABLE OF THESE DEMONSTRATIONS The 1. Demonst. Because by their owne testimonies it would be an act and offence vnreasonable irreligious and damnable pag. 1. The 2. Demonst. In respect of their Ministers vnlawfull false and intruded and not to be cōmunicated with by their owne writinges pag. 21 The 3. Domonst Because the not preaching of the worde of God is not among them by their owne testimonies pag. 49. The 4. Demonst Because English Prot. by their owne testimonies want the due administration of Sacraments pag 56 The 5. Demonst Because these Prot. manifestli● acknowledg that their pretended church is not the true c●urch of God pag. 62 The 6. Demōst Because English Prot by their owne testimonies are rotorius heretiques pag. 65 The 7. Demonst Because English Prot. by their owne writi●ges are scismatiques pag. 78 The 8 Demonst Becau●e the publique Prot. seruice is false hereticall iustlie condemned and damnable by their owne doctrin pag. 85. The 9. Demonst Because these Prot. by their owne testimonies are manifest dessemblers wilful deceiuers seducers lyers and periured in matters of Religion pag. 91. The 10. Demonst. Because these Prot by their owne testimonies are generallie most vild ●i●●ed impious and gracel●s people pag. 106 The 11. Demonst Because English ●rot by their owne writinges are not onlie enemies to the temporall princes claime of supremacie in ecclesiastical causes but deny also his soueraignitia in matters temporall pag. 112. TO OVR MOST MIGHTIE SOVERAIGNE KING IAMES AND ALL HIS MOST HONORABLE NOIBLITIE MOST MIGHTIE KINGE and MOST honorable Lordes as among humane and naturall Combinations non are greater more generall and binding then those of one nature nation and kindred Soe in nature nothinge can bee more vnnaturall then vnworthily to dissolue violentlie to seperate or destroy these vnions soe inuiolably to bee preserued All persecuted Catholicks of this kingdom armen vnited and comprehended in mankinde equally as you or the most renowned of you or other protestants They are of the same nation our best belowed England english with you And verie late and new would that persecuting protestants discēt appeare whoe could truely say hee hath noe preist or Catholicke of his familie which in this longe and greuous persecution hee persecuteth not and himselfe in them If any man obiect that Religion for which they suffer is of an heauenly and high or nature religing and binding not only man to man but man to his God and maker by the greatest felatie and homadge must answeare by yout one proceedings This is soe far from excusinge your persecutions that it vtterly accuseth in all true Iudgment more condemneth them For your doctors assure vs that the church of Christ cannot bee without true discipline to punish and correct offendors and make yt an vnseparable note thereof yett your same protestant both lawes writers and proceedings are witnesses that your pretēded Examples watrant and power to punish as you doe the Reuerēd preists and other Catholicks of this kingdom are by manie hundred yeares to yonge to make your Religion soe old and powerable that yt may safelie and securely persecute your Mother church of Rome that brougt vs forth to Christ whose obedient and dutifull children you and all others ought to bee That claymed authoritie by which you afflict vs neuer receaued life vntill the decaying time of kinge Henry the eight And then your soe named Archbishop Parker Statut. An. 24. vel 25. Henric. 8. Math park in antiquit Britannic in Henr. 8. Ioan Bal. l. descr●ptor Brit. in Augustino fol. 34. 35. writeth that the popes power and Religion had raigned in England aboue neyne hundred yeares From the first conuersion of this english nation by S. Augustine as hee meaneth and an other of your stiled protestant Bishops in the words is witnes Augustinus Romanus Benedictini sodali●ij monachus à Gregorio primo ad Anglosaxones papistica fide initiandos Apostolus mittitur Augustine a Roman monke of the company of Benedict was sent from Gregory the first an Apostle to instruct the English Saxons in the papisticall faithe And to proue this faith was then Bal. supr fol. 34. receaued hee addeth Ethelbertus Rex Romanismum cum adiunctis superstitionibus suscepit Kinge Ethelbert receaued Romanisme or Romi●h Religion with the superstitions adioined For soe your writers terme that sacred doctrine Your blodye lawe against the venerable preists of that holie church and profession is of noe greater Antiquitie then the seuen and twenteth yeare of the Raigne of Queene Elizabeth Statut. An. 27. Elizab. cap. and then but the Edict of a woman not much powerable in spirituall busines Yett Romane preisthood must needes bee as auncient as Romane Religion Which your owne cited Author Bal. supr fol. 35 pag. 1. farther warranteth in this maner Augustinus introduxit altaria vestimenta vasa sacra reliquias ceremoniarum codices quae omnia cum benedictione Petri miserat ei Gregorius Nam primum eorum studium erat circa missarum oblationes sedes episcopales ac decima● ob id coactâ synodo mandauit Romanus vbique consuetudines seruari Augustine brought in altares vestiments holy vessels Relicks and bookes of ceremonies all which with the blessing of Peter Gregorie had sent vnto him For their first or cheife studie was about the oblations of masses episcopall Sees and Tithes And therefore assemblinge a synode hee commaunded the Romane customes to bee kept euery where Then if besides our seruice and Ceremonies as the Romane and commaunde of that Mother church Altares masse and sacrifice were then in vse our preisthood could not bee wanting for a principall doctor in your church with publick allowance writeth VVee cannot dislike the Morton Appeale pag. 162. l. 2. cap. 6. sect 1. Reinolds conf pag. 550. sentence of D. Reynaldes concerning the mutuall Relation and dependance betweene an Altar and sacrifice But graunt that Altare doth as naturally and necessarily inferr a sacrifice as a shryne doth a Saint a father a sonne And hee addeth thus Cardinall Bellarmine said truly Viz sacrifice preisthood are Relatiues Then if your doctors doctors Reynolds and Morton with their approuers approue this doctrine they must approue also the antiquitie and honor of our sacred

expect an Impossibilitie larkes if the skye falleth wee should bee then in as desperate a case by their Religion as before For in their publick article and Rule they haue thus defined generall councells may ●rr euen in things pertayning● Articl of Relig ●rt 21. Feild l. of the church pag. vnto God Vnto which I will add the publicke protestant opinion sett downe by D. Feild in these wordes Bishops ass●mbled in a generall councell haue aut●oritie to interprett scriptures and by their authoritie to supresse all them that gaynesay such interpretation and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determination as they consent vppon to Excommunication and censure of like nature This is the desolate estate of protestants Religion by their owne testimonies without hope of hop●ls generall councell there is noe hope of truthe or saluation in their Religion And with hope of that which can neuer bee the misery is still remaininge for wee are still left in daunger of error to condemne vs and perill of separation from the church out of which as they teach before there is noe saluation remission of sinnes or hope Couell def pa. ●6 Feild pag. 69. of eternall life Therfore seing by vnion and communion in Religion with protestants both by their Iudgments and our owne alsoe wee should bee in this damnable perplexitie and certaine daunger of euerlastinge hell And by remayning in vnitie with the church of Rome in which wee comfort our selues and offer to mayntaine against all opponents herericks or Infidells that the church of Christ Popes and generall Councells cannot iudicially erre in matters of faith wee are freed from those desperate conditions and lyue in moste comfortable hope of true Religion in earth and euerlastinge saluation in heauen wee may not forsake the catholicke church Vr●is orbis of Rome and the whole christian world to ioyne with the parlament and soe miserable protestant church of England and one kingdome For confirmation of this though not needinge to bee confirmed and for further demonstration in this question I argue thus Noe men in time of controuersie about Religion may with securitie and conscience forsake the communion of the superior mother and Apostolick commaunding church or that is taught to haue especiall assistance of God in matters of Religion or that vnto which to adhere by the Iudgment of the primatiue fathers was taken for a suer taken of a true catholick euen by the cōfession of protestants to Ioyne with an Inferior commaunded and subiect church vtterly destitute of such prerogatiues and acknowledged by the doctors thereof to bee erroneous But the Catholicks of England by forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome and communicatinge with english protestants should bee in this conscionles and irreligeous condition Therefore they may not doe yt The maior proposition is three fold contayning in effect three propositions as the argument for breuitie three demonstratiue arguments The first proposition is this The mother superior and commaundinge church may not vvithout greater authoritie bee forsaken to Ioyne vvith a subiect Inferior and commaunded church And it is euidently true otherwise yt should not bee the Mother superior and commaundinge church but the contrary inferior subiect commaunded The second proposition is this That church which in the Iudgment of many hath especiall assistance from God and freedome from error in religion i● rather to bee communicated with then that which by all men euen the best learned of it self is condemned of error and confessed to be fallible and deceauing iudgment And this alsoe is manifestly true for in the first there is either assurednes or contenting hope to bee free from error and obtaine salualtion in the other noe true hope thereof at all but a confessed certainetie of error seducing and to bee damned The third proposition is this That church which by the primatiue fathers had that priuiledge ●s the aduersaries doe graunt that to adhere vnto yt was a signe of a true beleeuing catholicke is reather to bee communicated with then that which neuer had or claymed such prerogatiue And this proposition is likwise apparantlie true for in the former there is securitie from error and in the second euident certaintie to fall into error and state of damnation Now that the case of english catolicks should bee this in all this three propositions if they should communicate with english protestans I doe thus demonstrate by thes protestans them selues and first how the romane church was and still is this mother superior commaundinge Church may appeare by the sentence of his maiestè concerninge that church in this K speach in parlam wordes it is our mother church it was a rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies when it was in her florishinge and best estate And in the conference Conference at Hamptō pag. 75. at Hampton Court their Bishop Barlowe relateth thus T●e kings resolution is that noe church ought further to seperate it selfe from the church of Rome either in doctrine or ceremonies then shee hath departed from herselfe when shee was in her florishinge and best estate and from Christ our Lord and deade D. Downame Downam l. 1. Anticor ca. 3 pa. 36. denieth not but bothe Iustinian the Emperor and the generall councell of Calcedon in the primatiue church did attribute to the Pope of Rome to bee heade of the churche And the same D. Downame D. Couell D. Sutcliffe Porkins Down supr pag. 106. ●07 Couell plea of Innoc pa. 65. Sutcliff sub vi●p 19 Perk probl pag. 237. 238. and others wittnes that at such time wherein they confesse that church a Rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies and not to bee separated from it exercised this supreame iurisdict●on in all partes of the worlde Asia Africke and Europe Therefore this Rule to all is not in ruling departed from her selfe or Christ our heade and soe wee m●y not bee seperated from yt Which M. Ormerod proueth further assuring vs that in the Apostles time it claymed thes priuiledges of preeminence indefectibilitie from the irreuocable graunte of Christ in holy Ormer pict pap pag. 78. scriptures his wordes bee thes To proue that the church of Rome hath the preeminence ouer all churches Anacletus lyuing in the Apostles time a blessed Saint and martyr alleageth Math. 16. vers 18. vppon this rocke vvill I build my church and hee expounde●h it thus super hanc petram id est super ecclesiam Romanam vppon this rocke that is vpon the church of Rome vvill I build my church Therfore for any man to say that wee may sepearate our selues from the church of Rome because it is departed from it selfe when it was in her florishing and best estate is not onely a very friuolous and vaine excuse but in their opinion and Relation manifestly false because this church of Rome euen in that her best estate did clayme and by the warrant and graunt of Christ registred in holy scriptures as ample

things that which is directly opposite and contrary to their owne Conscience and iudgment in Religion Therefore to proceede in my first intended purpose and proposition I argue in this maner Noe men which by their owne testimonies and writings doe generally dislike or disallowe of the temporall princes supreamacie in spirituall and ecclesiasticall Causes and in straunge and danigerous order can or may in conscience by oathe and swearinge allowe yt But this is the common estate of english protestants by their owne confessions published in writinge Therefore they cannot in conscience sweare to the oathe of supreamacie in temporall princes or allowe yt for true doctrine The maior proposition is euidently true for in soe dyinge they are periured and forsworne and in a matter of highe moment And all periury is damnable And soe noe spirituall communication to bee had with such men in such matters or in things daungerous vnto or against Regalitie or lawfull regiment allowed by the lawe of God and true Religion The minor proposition that protestants in England are in this condition is thus proued by their owne Testimonies The protestant author of the booke named Certaine demaundes writeth in these words The protestant Bishops doe not attributie Cert demaund An 1605. p. 54 any more spirituall authoritie v●to the Kinge to make constitute and ordeyne Canons Constitutions Rites or Ceremonies then they giue vnto him spiritual povver to preache the vvorlde adminis●er the sacraments and excommunicate But the articles of their Religion confirmed and thus published by his maiestie resolueth this matter in these wordes Wee giue not to our Articles of Relig. ar 37 Prince the ministrings either of Gods vvorde or of the sacraments the vvhich thinge the iniunctions also● sometime sett forth by Elizabeth our late Queene doe moste plainely testifie Therefore as the Conclusion before is The protestants of England cannot by their owne doctrine without periury sweare to the kings supreamacie Therefore parlamentarie pro●estants and puritans alsoe holdinge this opinion against the kings supreamacie and yett for preferment or other carnall respects hauing sworne vnto yt are periured and forsworne in a damnable degree And thus by this title the pretended ministery of England is a periured Ministery by their owne writings Againe I argue in this maner whatsoeuer Ministery claymeth their callinge to bee by lawe diuine diuinae ordinationis doe by the doctrine of english protestants deny the kings supreamacie But both the parlament protestants and puritanes thus clayme their callinge of ministery Therefore by their owne doctrine deny the kings supreamacie The maior proposition is proued by the protestant author of the booke named Certaine Considerations in these wordes if the english protestants Cert consider pa. 46. opinion bee mayntayned that Bishops iurisdiction is de iure diuino his maiestie and all the nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication Therefore by this protestant reason the kinge is not supreame for hee that is supreame or superior cannot be excommunicated by the inferior which hath not power ouer the supe-superior much lesse ouer him that is supreame Againe hee that is supreame is subiect to none because not inferior but aboue commaundinge all Yett here the kinge is both named subiect and Censured as an inferior and to that penance and punishment soe greuous that the protestant author of Assertion thus expresseth Assertion An. 1604. pag. 326. it inflicted on princes by their supreamacies Excommunication is terrible to princes and rulers a delyuery of the soule to sathan punishment of the bodie and daunger of go●ds Excommunication is soe powerfull as it can constreyne princes and rulers to doe their duties M. Ormerod alsoe remembreth this protestant doctrine Ormer dial 1. in these words princes ought to submitt themselues to the Seniors of the church they ought to be cōtēt to be ruled gouerned punished corrected excōmunicated by their discretiō at their pleasur Then whether these protestāts can in cōscience sweare to the kings supreamacie as they haue done or sweare an oathe soe much concerning their Bishops presbitery as the named Oathe of alledgeance cōcerneth the Popes prerogatiue and whether it is more reasonable for any one temporall prince to acknowledge The Bishop of the cheefest Apostolicke See whome all Catholicke princes of Christendome and the church of Christ euer acknowledged for their supreame spirituall pastor and gouernor to bee alsoe vnto him as hee is and euer was to all his progen●tors kings and other princes or singularly with soe manifest daunger against scriptures councels fathers histories and all authorities and examples to make himselfe his soule bodie life and goods as before subiect and at the pleasure of his subiects euery pretended Bishop in his dioces and euery Minister of the presbyterie in his parishe or diuision I leaue these for others to conclude onely I add that these protestants by this their claymed superiority ouer princes haue within lesse then fourtie yeares disinherited depriued and spoyled more temporall princes of their lawfull territories and dominions as is proued against them by a Catholicke writer of our nation Then the Pope by any prerogatiue title Moder Answ ca. 8. c. 9. See the protestants there cited or clayme with the consent of kingdomes hath taken vpon him to alter the Regiment of temporall kinges from the first begynning of Christianitie to these dayes But more of this matter hereafter The minor proposition that both the protestant Bishops now and the presbiterie clayme their callings Iure diuino by the law of God and not from the prince is euidently proued before And manifest in probation of the first proposition For the lawes of this land and wee admitt noe others are soe far from making it the office and power of any Bishop presbiterie parson or societie whatsoeuer ●o excommunicate their prince delyuer his soule to Sathan punish his bodie on daunger his goods constreyne rule gouerne correct and punish him at their discretion and pleasure as their owne words before bee that the very conspiring or consenting vnto such things is a state of high Treason and greatest offence to lawe in this kingedome Therefore they must blasphemousely clayme as they doe other things from the lawe o● God noe other in force here as before Then I may say with their owne protestant writer in these words The kinges supreamacie is fallen Certaine cōsideratiōs An. 1605. pag. 47. downe and ouerthrowne in the moste daungerous degree by the english protestant proceedings And this might suffice for this purpose demonstratiuely prouing what I promised But I argue further in this maner Whoeseuer doe not onely say that the protestant Bishops or presbiterie haue the supreamacie in spirituall things and kings haue nothing therein to deale but must submitt their scepters and Crowns lose their Royaltie cease to bee kings not to bee obeyed to bee deposed vnthroned bereaued of all power and principalitie c. as the protestant ministery shall please or denownce

may not bee communicated with in Religion either by the lawe of God or of this kingedome But the english protestant doctrine is such by their owne writings Therefore not to bee communicated withall in Religion The maior proposition is soe euidently true that it is manifest spirituall treason heresie and Rebellion to God and ciuill Treason in moste highe degree against our kinge by the lawes of this nation to deny yt And the minor proposition is thus proued by these protestants one protestant writeth thus C●rtaine demaū An. 1605. p. 42. Couell exā ●ag 12. To establish the commaund of the ciuill magistrate the squar and plumet of subiects conscience is to wrest the scriptures and a Tyranny D. Couell recordeth their opinion thus First fruites tenthes subsedies contributions of ecclesiasticall parsons to the prince are sacriledge and Robbery D. Willet writeth in this maner Princes ar● not to Will●t Antil pa. 151. Assertion An. 1604. Ormer pict purit epist dedic dial 1. bee obeyed in all ecclesiasticall lawes An other writeth thus The temporall prince neuer had any spirituall power in this kingedome M. Ormered setteth downe their doctrine in these words Christian Soueraignes ought not to bee called heads vnder Christ of the particular and visible churches within their dominions princes ought not to meddle with the making of lawes orders and Ceremo●ies for the church As the ministers Ormerod supr d. 4. meddle not with makinge of ciuill lawes and lawes for the common wealthe s●● the ciuill Magistrate hath not to ordeyne Ceremonies pertayninge to the churche Noe ciuill Magistrates in Councells dialog 1. or assemblers for church matters can either bee cheife moderator ouer Ruler iudge or determiner To bee breife in this matter D. Morton perceauing that deniall of the princes supreamacie Mortō cōf of the pop auth par 3 p. 25. p. 26. was proued to bee the doctrine of their Bishop Bilson D. Fulke D. Whitaker D. Sutcliffe D. Couell D. Downame D. Willet M. Hooker M. Bell and others cheife writers amonge them denyeth it not eyther for them or himselfe but referreth the matter to S. Leo Pope of Rome who as hee was one of the moste learned godly fathers that euer were soe hee is knowne and acknowledged by protestants to bee the greatest patrone of the Popes supreamacie that was in that primatiue and learned age and taught as M. Ormerod telleth vs that God did assist direct that See in decrees And yett neither kinge Ormer pict pap pa. 44. nor Pope must bee supreame heade when it pleaseth them But either their Bishops or presbitery M Ormerod thus relateth their opinion Ormerod dial 2. To these three ioinily that is the ministers Senion and deacons is the whole regiment of the church to bee committed And how far this Regiment by them extendeth is before expressed euen to punish and depose princes and M. Ormerod further recompteth in these words Princes must remember to subiect themselues to the churche to Ormerod dial 1. submitt their scepters to throwe downe their Crownes before the churche yea to licke the dust of the feete of the churche And these soe well agreing protestants are or were soe far from swearinge to the supreamacie of a Temporall prince that in Scotland as they themselues wittnesse they caused our Soueraige kinge Iames to sweare to their supreamacie The words of the protestant defendor of the ministers Reasons are these The Kings maiestie hath not Defence of the minist reas pag. 3. Suruey of the Booke of common prayer p. 23 onely subscribed but sworne to the discipline An other protestant writer hath these words is it not generally knowne that his maiestie hath by subscription sworne to mayntayne the discipline in Scotland in these words To the vvhich vvee ioyne ourselues vvillingly in doctrine faith Religion discipline and vse of the holy sacraments as a liuely member of the same promising● and swearinge by the greate name of our Lord that wee shall defend the same accordinge to our vocation and power all the dayes of our life vnder the payne conteyned in the lawe and daunger bothe of bodie and soule in the day of Gods fearefull iudgment And yett his maiestie hath told vs before that these men to obtayne their purpose first gaue supreamacie to the Queene there But their purpose now obtayned the Kinge himselfe by their Relation subscribeth sweareth to their supreamacie as a subiect to them as his Superiors What moste horrible and odious positions about depriuinge deposing killinge and murtheringe of princes not sutinge to their humors in Religion not without horror to bee named are recorded by their brother Whittingham Wittingh pref to Goodni booke deane of durrhame and affirmed to bee approued by the best learned at Geneua Caluine Whittingham Goodman Gilby Couerdale one of their pretended Bishops from whome D. Sutcliffe befor claymeth their ministery Whiteheade english protestants and others and to bee seene in they suruey of holy discipline attributed to their late protestant Archbishop of Canterbury Suruey of of Hol. discipl D. Bancroft which I breefely remember here though befor the time of my syxe limited yeares Because the protestant Authors of the offer of conference speaking in the name of all their protestant profession call those positions the doctrine of the worthiest protestants and thus Offer of Cōfer p. 18. 19 affirme they consent in iudgment with those parsons and churches and together with other churches hold the foresaid positions And Doctor Couell will secure mee in this poynt that I doe Couell exā pag 35. 36. not exceede my limitts his wordes bee these That it is lawfull to kill wicked kings wa● the doctrine of the best and moste learned about Geneua and those partes Neither neede wee to seeke these obedient doctrines at Geneua where they depriued their temporall prince or in Scotland deposinge their lawfull Queene and Princesse England it selfe will yeeld vs too much choice of these doctrines M. Ormerod doth thus relate them what Kinge Prynce or Emperour shall disanull Ormer pict purit epist. ded c. 2. supr d. 3. the discipline hee is to bee reputed Gods enemy and to bee held vnworthie to raigne aboue his people And more plainely of all princes in generall in these words Kinges and princes are naturally enemyes to the libertie of the ghospell and can neuer patiently heare the yeoke of Christ. The sup ● 1. gouernment of the common wealthe must bee framed accordinge to the gouernment of the churche where there must bee equalitie and paritie Whervppon their Bishop Barlowe thus relateth the speach of his maiestie in their publicke Conference The presbytery aswell agreeth vvith a monarchie as God and the deuill lacke and Tom and Conference at Hampt Court p. 79 Will and Dicke vvill Censure the Kinge and all their proceedings at their pleasure in Scotlande he vvas a kinge vvithout state vvithout honour vvithout order vvhere beardelesse boyes