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An appendix to the third part of The friendly debate being a letter of the conformist to the non-conformist : together with a postscript / by the same author.; Friendly debate between a conformist and a non-conformist. Part 3, Appendix
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Patrick, Simon, 1626-1707.
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declared when time was f Letter to his Legate in the Council of Trent See p. 646. Engl. Edit 1629. that the opinion which makes them hold by that Title is false and erroneous But not to leave the least speck of his dirt sticking on us which he blushes not to throw in our faces once more p. 34. you may know that the very same Bishop newly mentioned wipes it all off himself by clearing and excusing the Reformed Churches beyond the Seas from sinning against the Divine Right though they had no Bishops whom he thought to be of Divine Right in the strictest sense I said no such thing as his words are g Bishop Andrews Letter to du Moulin Ib. but only this that your Churches wanted something that is of Divine Right Wanted not by your fault but by the iniquity of the times for that your France had not your Kings so propitious at the Reformation of your Church as our England had In like manner the late Primate of Ireland Bishop Bramhall excuses those in the Reformed Churches who as I told you either had a desire or but an esteem of Episcopacy though they could not enjoy it And as for a third sort who were so far from either of those that they condemned it as an Antichristian Innovation and a rag of Popery whereby they became guilty he thought of most gross Schism materially he saith thus much may be alledged to mitigate their fault That they do it ignorantly h Replication to the Bishop of Chalcedon p. 71 72. as they have been mis-taught and mis-informed and I hope that many of them are free from obstinacy and hold the truth implicitely in the preparation of their minds because ready to receive it when God shall reveal it to them Nay Dr. Heylin himself whom this man thinks so fierce makes an Apology for their Ministers not being Ordained by Bishops at the first Reformation there being he thinks a necessity for it as you may read in his History of Episcopacy p. 164. And lastly a famous person now alive this Apologist cites afterward against his own self Master Thorndike I mean who he acknowledges i page 10. hath a charity for the Churches beyond the Seas though wanting Bishops whom he doubts not to be of Divine Right But he might have had recourse to a better place of his works for this purpose than that which he hath produced For he handles this question at large in his Book of the Rights of the Church k p. 194 198. where he excuses their necessity and concludes at last out of the abundance of his Charity that some excuse is to be made for those who have created this necessity to themselves by their own false perswasion Let this man therefore do open penance for his sin in laying such foul things to the charge of the men of the high Prelacy as he in scorn calls them p. 35. And let him forbear if he can to say hereafter That there is just cause to fear that some among us have a greater Charity for the Church of Rome than the Presbyterians l page 34. And to intimate that the high Conformists are warping from the Doctrine of the Church of England and lean more to that of Trent m p 80 81. For these are only old Calumnies now revived I wish it be not to serve the Good Old Cause We were told before the War that the Bishops were leaned toward Popery nay were driving fast toward Popery And no sooner was it begun but our neighbours were born in hand that we had a company of half Papish Bishops n Dialogue between an Englishman a Neatherlander written in Low-Dutch and translated into English 1643. p. 7. nay that they were altogether Papists one and the same brood with the Jesuits o p. 8. 16. and intended to bring Popery into England all which they affirmed was as clear as the bright noon-day p page 10. For to this end saith this impudent Libel they had stript all the Assemblies of their faithfullest Preachers and used many other means to banish wholly all saving knowledge out of the Kingdom that so they might the better draw the people to Popery From which considerations the Author desires the Lords and Inhabitants of the Vnited Netherlands q In the Dedicatory Epistle not to assist the King for if he prevailed the Government would be altered Religion suppressed the Bishops restored and put in force their Popish Canons And all this I must tell you was writ by a Presbyterian a modest Gentleman no doubt otherwise called a shameless lyar as appears by this passage p. 37. where he saith Our whole Nation is by the coming in of the Scots before the War yet more confirmed that they were led by Gods Spirit What was the woful issue of those suggestions we all know though there was nothing of truth in them as appeared by the stout opposition against the common enemy which some of those very men made who besides their other sufferings had layen as deep under the suspicion of being Popishly affected as any other of their Brethren whosoever r See Bishop Sandersons preface to 1. Volume of Serm. Sect 17. And what they now intend that begin again to buzze the same tale in the peoples ears we are not so doltish as not to understand and when opportunity shall serve they will more openly declare Then you may hear the complaints renewed which he remembers out of Mr. Fuller his Church-History of Popery Arminianism Socinianism and what not You may hear an Accusation against a Minister as the same Historian tells us there was on his own knowledge Å¿ Book the 11. page 224. merely for using the Gloria Patri though in all things else he conformed to the Directory 6. In which case truly there might have been some colour to charge the Accusers as more zealous for their Directory than for our Saviours Deity But to impeach any of us as more concerned for the Divine Right of Bishops than for the Divine Nature of our Lord the great Bishop of our souls is a bold-fac'd calumny for which there is no pretence at all And yet he thinks he hath not said enough for he tells you further that these High Conformists or Hectors can with more patience hear a Dispute against the very being of a Deity than about the taking away of a Ceremony Which is the very highest strain of railing that the wit of a modest Presbyterian can invent But to what pitch the more impudent may reach who can tell They may say that these Conformists are perfect Atheists since they are already it seems such Fools as to bear more meekly with those who go about to Dethrone the object of all worship than with those who only pluck away a Ceremony of it Dull Asses how should their Ceremonies stand if the very sense of a Deity fall down If he can find me any such
he expresly determines point-blank against this mans decision of his Case For this is his Maxime Rule 7. That a Law should oblige the Conscience does not depend upon the acceptation of the Law by the people Which supposing that which hath been already said is a certain Rule he tells you and there is no doubt in it Of this minde were the first Christians as I shall not now stand to show you and our first Reformers of Christianity in this Kingdom Who I must let you know used no such distinctions as these men do now but said expresly the same that I do That we must submit to all manner of Ordinaunces of men for the Lords sake so long as they ordeyne nothing contrary to the express Woord of God And be that resysteth shall receyve to hymself dampnation for as moche as he resysteth the Ordinaunce of God They are the words of a Book called the Destruction of small Vices written in Edward the Sixth's days as far as I can guess Tyndal also taught the people thus x Obedience of a Christian man fol. 26 Whosoever keeps the Law of the Prince whether it be for fear or vain-glory or profit though no man reward him God will bless him abundantly and send him worldly prosperity as thou readest Deut. 28. what good blessings accompanied the keeping of the Law and as we see the Turks far exceed us Christian men in worldly prosperity for their just keeping of their temporal Laws And in another nameless Book called the sum of the Holy Scripture y Printed by John Day with priviledge 1547. chap. 26. I find this Declaration That the very Christen yeldeth hymself willingly under the Governaunce of the Swerd and Temporal Justice he payeth tailles he honoureth the Puissaunce and worldly highness he serveth he healpeth he doth all that ever he may do to thintent that the same Puissaunce may prosper and be kepte in honour and feared albeit that the same Puissaunce to him is neither nedeful nor profitable And if he should not do so be were no Christen but should sin against the Rule of Charity For he should give evil ensample to other that they should not honour the Temporal Puissaunce but despise it And this despising of the Temporal Puissaunce bringeth dissention and mark this maketh sensual persons profitable unto nothing It would be too tedious to add the words of other good men and therefore I shall onely desire you to ponder the counsel and direction of the famous Amyraldus late Professor at Saumur For you are much concerned in it being given with a particular respect to our affairs in an address to our present Soveraign z Paraphr in Psalm Epist Dedic 1662. pag. 1. There are three things saith he by which the course of our life is governed and as we may say steered in this Sea of worldly affairs By the Law of Nature by the Laws of our Country and by the Study of propagating Religion To this last we should yeild all if the other two do not openly gain-say it Where either the Law of Nature or the Political Laws do command any thing which is inconsistent with our Study of promoting Religion we must diligently consider what God commands us in that matter that so we may exactly distinguish between his Will and our own between what he requires and what we are moved unto onely by our own zeal What God commands is to be done though our Parents or Magistrates command the contrary But whatsoever is commanded by them which is not contrary to the express Precepts of Religion a Disertis Religionis praceptis non adversum that we are to look upon as commanded and given us in charge by God himself because God is the Author of their Power as he is the Author of Nature whose Commands and not our own voluntary Zeal we are to make the Rule of our life And therefore we are not here to have more regard either to the danger which we may fancy the Church is in or to the hope which we have conceived to our selves of advancing the Glory of God then to that Will of the most high God which is manifested to us either in Nature or in Civil Laws For God hath affection enough to his own Glory and kindness enough to his Church and Power and Wisdom sufficient notwithstanding all the dangers that I see to advance his Kingdom and support his Church although I contain my self within the bounds and limits which Nature and Civil Government prescribes This is the resolution of that excellent person by whose Principles I wish heartily you would all govern your selves otherwise the most glorious profession that you can make will not perswade us you have the same spirit of Christian Piety You have read perhaps or heard how the Devil one day appeared to St. Martin as he was at prayer all glittering and shining in a most Majestick state telling him that he was Christ who being shortly to come down upon Earth gave him a visit first This he repeated again saith the story Sulpitius Severus in vita ejus cap. 25. and bid him not be faithless but believe So I will replyed the good man but not till I see him in that habit and form wherein he suffered bearing the Marks of his Cross The Application is easie and in short but this If you would be acknowledged for the faithful Disciple of the Lord Jesus let us see you in that garb wherein they alway appeared taking up the Cross patiently humbly and lowly meek and gentle quiet and peaceable submissive to Government and obedient to Laws Till then we suspend our belief Farewel FINIS Books printed for Henry Eversden under the Crown-Tavern in West-Smithfield THe Divine History of the Genesis of the World explicated and illustrated or a Philosophical Comment on the first Chapter of Genesis and tryal of Philosophy both Ancient and Modern by that most infallible Rule Anonymus in quarto 2. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Or a Being filled with the Spirit As also the Divinity or God-head of the Holy Ghost asserted and the Arguments brought against it throughly examined and answered c. By John Goodwin late of Coleman-street London quarto 3. Theodulia Or a Just defence of Hearing the Sermons and other teaching of the present Ministers of England By John Tombes B.D. 4. A serious examination of the Independants Catechism and therein of the chief Principles of Nonconformity to and separation from the Church of England in two Parts To which is added an Appendix of the Authority of Kings and obedience of Subjects By Benj. Camfield Rector of Whitwell in Derbyshire 5. The Pen's Dexterity Compleated Or Mr. Rich's Short-hand perfectly taught which in his life-time was never done by any thing in Print Allowed by both Universities Oxford and Cambridge FINIS