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A65478 The voyce of him that is escaped from Babylon Reasons given forth to all sober minded people, why I departed from the ministry of those called ministers of parishes; and why I departed from the ministry of those called Anabaptists; and why I have, and what I have contended for, some years past. West, Robert, b. ca. 1613. 1658 (1658) Wing W1391; ESTC R217331 15,883 20

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I asked him whether he meant the visible blood that was shed without the gates of Jerusalem he said yea I asked then of William Crabb and Nicholas Ellyot and other Teachers there present whether they did own it they said yea and gave me a Coppy of it in writing and asked me whether I would deny it if I did I should deny the whole or else grant the whole of their affirmation To that I replyed It 's written thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed nor weare a Linsie Wolsie Garment This is a mingled affirmation said I some things may be owned and some things must be denyed then being admitted by them I made my exceptions to wit that I did deny that to be the everlasting Gospel namely Remission of sins by the visible blood and that for these Reasons First that-blood had a beginning which was shed without the gates of Jerusalem but the everlasting Gospel had no beginning again the Gospel was preached to Abraham and them that are dead and Christ preached the Gospel before the visible blood was shed and remitted sins and there was none saved without Remission of sins and without shedding of blood there is no Remission of sins therefore Remission of sins by that blood was not the everlasting Gospel Then they said they would prove it which they endeavoured about two or thee hours bringing these following Scriptures Isa 52. 10. Rom. 10. 15. Act. 13. 32 33 38. Luke 2. 13. Act. 20. 28. 1 Pet. 1. 28. Col. 1. 20. Heb. 12. 24. Rev. 1. 5. Mat. 26. 28. Heb. 9. 14 22. 1 Cor. 15. 1 3. Act. 5. 3. And then said We have proved it I denyed it A friend to truth desired those Scriptures mentioned might be proved which was not assented to but the question was put upon the people because of the remaining questions whether to them they had proved it because they said they had and the people replyed Nay The other things agreed to be reasoned then was what the Ministers of the Gospel was to direct the people to to which was agreed on by both sides To Christ the next question was Where he was they said in heaven then said I where is heaven Then said they we have proved what was to be reasoned or asserted then said I the kingdome of heaven is within you and Christ is in heaven then said they prove it I said Will you deny it they then was silent Then said I I should not prove it except they did deny it many other wordspassed with which I shall not trouble the Reader For matter this is the sum of that present meeting After this they said that I was fallen from the faith and that they were sorry for me and others I then examined what might be the meaning of this their saying and I found in my understanding that they did mean because I do believe the first principle to be preached to men is the light that shineth in darknesse to wit in their hearts whereas they preached to men the first principle to be believed is without men and not within men Now I confesse it had been a question some time in my understanding whether Yea or Nay I had not fallen and I found that I had fallen from making the sayings of men or the Letter of Scripture the ground of my faith now I had made a large profession of God and Christ at a distance from me but knew neither my faith at that time was like that of the Samaritans who believed because of the saying of the Woman but truly as they sayd so say I they said Now we believe not because of thy saying for we have heard him our selves and know that this is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the World For friends it is one thing to believe the Scriptures or Reports of men but it 's another thing to believe Christ For example Agrippa believed the Prophets when he believed not in Christ for he saith unto Paul thou hast almost Act. 2● 28. perswaded me to be a Christian Now the promise is sure to the ●eed but not to Reports of men for thus it is written whosoever believeth in him shall never be confounded or ashamed and in truth I am a witnesse As the mind is turned to the measure of him Rom. 10 11. and on it stayed there 's vertue proceedeth from him which purgeth the mind and then giveth peace and an understanding to know him which is life eternal thus have I wandered from one City to another Country and from the Teachings of men and am taught of the Lord. Glory be to him for ever who sheweth me Mysteries and the times of Ministrations Behold I shew you some of them Christ is hid in God and shall appear the Gentiles are partakers of the divine nature and so made fellow-heirs with the Jews of the kingdome of heaven God is in Christ and Christ is in the Light and the light is in the world now to be manifested for the obedience of faith to all Nations the body of Saints shall be raised and we then that are alive shall be changed and ascend in the sight of her enemies to meet the Lord when he shall be Revealed in like manner as he did ascend into heaven The Saints both Jews and Gentiles shall come with him and shall be seen by enemies in the kingdom of God and the dominion under the whole heavens shall be given unto the Saints of the most high and they shall Rule and Reign on Earth in the kingdom of Christ and then the kingdomes of this World shall become the kingdomes of our Lord and of his Christ the time is at hand that these things shall be performed although it may seem as an idle tale unto many whose hearts are flow to believe all that the Prophets have spoken and therefore perverts the Prophets words yet shall they certainly come to passe And now friends all beware of perswasions that are contrary to the Scriptures of the Prophets for the spirit of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets hold fast therefore the forme of sound words and learn to speak such words that cannot be condemned for when words are spoken that are questionable there 's occasion given of disputing and beware of putting one dispensation in the place of another for that is turning truth into a lye beware also of Preaching dispensations together without distinction for then it will be an uncertain sound and an occasion of disputing now the servants of God in former times gave the sense of what they did read unto the people and gave distinction in the sound of their Ministery and caused the people to understand it and was meek toward them that did not understand although they did oppose what was spoken For example Christ said to his disciples Whither I go ye know and the way ye know Thomas saith We know not the way yet Christ did not say to him I deny thy spirit but