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A68315 The examinations of Henry Barrowe Iohn Grenewood and Iohn Penrie, before the high commissioners, and Lordes of the Counsel. Penned by the prisoners themselues before their deathes Barrow, Henry, 1550?-1593.; Greenwood, John, d. 1593. aut; Penry, John, 1559-1593. aut 1596 (1596) STC 1519; ESTC S113168 32,537 34

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in the church of Englād P. Her lawes haue I graunt of ouersight as taking them for the right offices and order which appertaine vnto the church of Christ the which because we euidently see that they are not therfore flie we vnto her former promise and act wherby she graunteth vs the inioping of al the privileges of the church of Christ F. Why then goe ye about to pul downe Bps P. Alas far be it from vs that euer we should entend any such actions we onely put her maiestie and the state in mind of the wrath of God that is likely to come vpon this land for the vpholding of many Romish invētions We labor to saue our owne sowles and al those that wil be warned by vs in avoiding al corruptions in religion and practising the whole wil of our God as neere as we can Further then this we haue no caling to goe and therfore dare not so much as once in thought conceiue of any thing that we should doe in the altering or pulling downe of any thing established by her lawes F. Why then meet yow in woods and such suspicious and secret places if yow purpose no insurrection for the pulling downe of Bps P. I haue told yow the reason before our meetings are for the pure and true worship of God and ther is not so much as a word or thought of Bps. in our assemblies except it be in praying for them that the Lord would shew mercy and favour vnto them which we wish as to our owne sowles Our meetings are secret as I told yow because we cannot without disturbance haue them more open Our earnest desire and prayer vnto our God and our gouernours is that we might haue them open and not be inforced to withdraw our selues from the sight of any creature Of the Lordes pure worship in the congregation of his people are we bound to be partakers and that in woods in mountaines in caues etc. as I told yow rather then not at al. F. Then yow are privy vnto no practise or intent of any sedition or commotion against her maiestie and the state for the pulling downe of Bps P. No I thanke God nor euer was and I protest before heauen and earth that if I were I would disclose and withstand the same to the vttermost of mineabilitie in al persons of what religion soeuer they were Young But what meant yow Penry when yow told me at my howse that I should liue to see theday wherin ther should not be a Lo. Bp. left in England P. Yow doe me great iniury Sr. but I am content to beare it This was it that I said vnto yow namely that I gainsaid nothing in this whole cause but what I could proue out of the word of God to be the remnants of the popish Antichristian kingdome which religion I said the Lord hath promised vtterly to ouerthrow and consume in so much as yow said I may liue though yow be already of great yeares for my self I may be cut of by vntimely death to see al the offices calings works and livings deriued from or belonging at any time vnto the kingdome of Antichrist vtterly ouerthrowē in this land for the Lo. hath promised that that man of sin that body of the Antichristiā religion shalbe so consumed by the breath of his mouth and the brightnes of his appearing in the power of his gospel before his second coming 2. Thes 2. as that false synagogue shal haue no power in any of her officers or partes either to be lifted vp ouer the 〈…〉 of God viz ouer any thing that is caled holy or yet to oppose her self as a bloody adversarie vnto those truthes and servants of Christ who refuse to be in spiritual bōdage and slauery to her This I shewed yow to be verified in the type Babylon of the Chaldeans according to the word of the Lo. spoken by Isaiah and Jeremiah and the casting of the stone into Euphrates by Sheraiah at Jeremies commandement Isa 13. 19. 20. Jer. 50. 40. and 51. 61. 64. and this I shewed to be decreed by the Lo. of hostes against the true body the Antichristian Babel vnder the new testament for so we are taught by the spirit of God that she shalbe consumed and be no more that her chapmen shal in this life bewaile and the saincts of God reioyce at her vtter ouer throw and at the spoile and decay of her merchandise Reuelat. 18. The comparing of the act done by Sheraiah against the type and what followed thervpon with that of the Angel against the true Babylon I declared most fully to confirme my speech for Sheraiah throwing the stone into Euphrates said thus shal Babel be drowned and rise no more and so it came to passe the Angel in the Reuel casting the great stone into the sea saith with such violēce shal the great city Babylō be cast and shalbe found no more and so it wilbe accomplished I am sure This was my speech vnto yow Mr. Young and I beseech yow yea and charge yow as yow shal answer in that great day not to misreport my speeches but to relate them as they are vttered by me Y. I conceiued some great matter of your speech I tel yow P. Yow did me the greater wrong therin I pray yow hereafter to conceiue of my wordes according to my meaning and their natural signification F. Yow say that these offices and livings derived in your conceit from the body of Antichrist shalbe ouerthrowē by the Lord we would know how yow meane that this wilbe accomplished P. I haue already shewed yow that this worke shalbe done by the appearing of Jesus Chr. in the shining brightnes of his gospel through the efficacie wherof the Lord shal so lay thē open as he wil put into the hartes of Princes and states wher in they are now mainteined to abolish their offices calings and works vtterly from among men and to imploy their livings vnto the holy civil vses of the Princes and states wherin they are After this sort did the Lord consume the Popes primacie office and maintenance which he had in this land and after this maner did he consume by his gospel the Cardinals Priors Abbots Moncks Friers and Nunnes out of this lād and after this or some other way seeming best to his wisedome shal he I doubt not ●ōsume the rest of that body of miquitie now remayning where soeuer The worke I am assured shalbe accomplished because the Lo. hath said it in his written word the maner how or the time when it shalbe performed I leaue to him who ruleth al thinges according to the counsel of his owne wil and whose wayes and iudgements are past finding out F. and Y. What yow doe or purpose to doe in these your assemblies we cannot tel but this is sure that the Papists seeme to be so incouraged by tijis dealing of yours that ther were neuer so many of them in this land since her maiesties reigne as are at
sinne Q. Whither may the Prince make lawes in the gouerment of the church or no A. The Scripture hath set downe sufficient lawes for the worship of God and gouerment of the church to which no man may adde or diminish Q. What say yow to the Princes supremacie is her maiestie supreme head of the church ouer al causes as wel ecclesiastical as temporal A. A supreme magistr●●● ouer al persons to punish the euil and defend the good Q. Euer al causes etc. A. No Christ is onely head of his church and his lawes may no man alter Q. The pope giueth th●● much to the Prince A. No that he doth not he setteth himself aboue Princes ●nd exempteth his preisthod from the magestrates sword Q. What say yow to the oath of the Queenes supremacie wil yow answer to it If these ecclesiastical orders be meant such as be agreeable vnto the scriptures I wil for I deny al forreigne power Q. It is meant the order and government with al the lawes in the church as it is now established A Then I wil not answer to approue thereof A breif summe of the examination of John Penrie by the right worshipful Mr. Fanshaw and Mr. Justice Young the 10. of the fourth moueth April 1593. Fansh IT is strange vnto me that yow hold such opinions Penry as none of the learned of this age or any of the martyrs of former times mainterned Can yow shew any writers either old or new that haue bene of your iudgement Penr I hold nothing but what I wilbe bound to proue out of the written word of God and wil shew in regard of the special pointes controverted to haue bene mainteyned by the holy martyrs of this land who first assailed the Babylonis● Romane kingdome as namely by Mr. Wicliffe Mr. Brute Mr. Purvey Mr. White etc. with many other the famous witnesses and martyrs of Christ in former times and by Mr. Tindal Mr. Lambert Mr. Barnes Mr. Lat●●er etc. the lordes most blessed witnesses of this latter age I spea● nothing here of the doctrine and practise of the reformed churches mother countries whom I haue wholly of my side in the controversies of greatest moment F. But doe the martyrs teach yow that ther is no church of Christ in England P. If yow meane by a church as the most doe that publick profession wherby men doe professe saluation to be had by the death and righteousnes of Jesus Christ I am free from denping any church of Christ to be in this land for I know the doctrine touching the holy trinitie the natures and offices of the Lord Jesus free iustification by him both the Sacramentes etc. published by her maiesties authoritie and commaunded by her lawes to be the Lordes blessed and vndoubted truthes without the knowledge and profession wherof no saluation is to be had F. Seing yow acknowledge that her maiestie hath established the truth in so many weightie pomtes seing she hath commaunded the true Sacramentes to be administred what mislike yow in our church and why wil yow not be partaker of these truthes and Sacramentes with vs. P. I mislike 1. the false ecc●estastical offices 2. the manner of caling vnto the offices 3. a great parte of the workes wherin these false officers are imployed 4. the maintenance or livinges wherby they are mainteyned in their offices al which I wilbe bound to proue by the Lords helpe to be deriued not from Jesus Christ but from the kingdome of Antichrist his great enemie And therfore for as much as I cannot be partaker of the former holy thinges of God but I must be subiect vnto the power of Antichrist in these officers and knowen by those markes wherby his subiectes are noted therfore I am enforced and bound to seek the comfort of the word and Sacramentes wher I may haue them without the submitting of my self vnto any ecclesiastical power in religion saue onely vnto that which is deriued from Christ Jesus the Lord in whom al fulnes of power dwelleth Col. 1. 19. and from whom al those must deriue their power and office vnto whom the saintes of God are to submitte their consciences to be wrought vpon in religion Againe seing the forenamed 4. enormities of this church are markes which properly belong vnto the kingdome of the Beast viz. of the Romane Antichrist we dare not haue any communion and fellowship with them nor be knowen by them least we should be partakers of those most fearful and most dreadful iudgementes which are denounced by the spirit of God against al those that haue communion with any of the irreligious inventions of that Beast Reuel 14 9. 10. These are the thinges togither with the want of Christes true order which I especially mislike and the special causes why I dare not ioyne with the assemblies of this Land 1. the false offices wherby these assemblies are guided and by whom the whole worship is performed in them 2. their manner of caling 3. a great part of the devised workes wherin these officers are conversant 4. the livinges consecrated sometimes vnto Idols for the most part wherby they are susteyned in their offices F. What offices meane yow P. I meane the offices of Lord Arch Bbs. and Bbs. Archdeatons Commissaries Chancellors Oeanes Canons Prebendaries Preistes Deacons etc. Al which properly belong to no other bodie either 〈…〉 or 〈…〉 but onely vnto the Romish Church wh●●● they were first invented where they now are and by whom they were left in this lande when the head of that body the Pope and some other of his members were cast out by her maiestie and our soueraigne Lord her noble father The church of Christ is perfect without them in al her offices the ciuil state is absolute without them for they are ecclesiastical Heathen idolatrie hath them not and requireth them not onely the kingdome of Antichrist can in no wise be whole and entire without them wherof as I say they are visible and knowne members Now if it be not lawful for me or any other member of Christ to be subiect vnto the orders and cerimonies of the old law as circumcision etc. Which sometimes were the Lordes owne blessed ordinances how can it be but sin vnto vs to be subiect to the constitutions of Antichrist the maine adversarie of the Lo. Jesus The Lord hath not deliuered vs from the Yoke of his owne law that we should be in bondage vnto the inventions and order of Antichristes kingdome and offices F. Belike yow would haue no other offices in the church now in the time of peace and prosperitie then were in the Apostles dayes vnder persecution P. Ther is great reason we should not for if the order left by Moses in the church was not to be altered to be diminished or added vnto except it were by special commaundement from the Lord 1. Chron. 28 19. then may not any man or Angel but upon the same warrant adde any thing vnto that holy forme which the sonne of