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A33945 The pulpit-guard routed, in its twenty strong-holds, or, A brief answer to a large and lawless discourse, written by one Tho. Hall ... intituled, The pulpit-guarded, with twenty arguments, pretending to prove the unlawfulness and sinfulness of private mens preaching ... his six arguments to prove their ministry free from anti-Christianism, rased, and six more asserted, proving them to be anti-Christian / written by Tho. Collier. Collier, Thomas, fl. 1691. 1651 (1651) Wing C5295; ESTC R9709 89,279 114

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that I know belongs to a Pastor but a gifted brother may do it it is his duty when time opportunity and liberty cals for it only the brother doth it according to his gift as a member the other waiting on his office as one entrusted by the Church more then ordinary for that end It is with the Church in this case as with a body Politique that needs Magistrates and Officers not for its being but for its wel-being it s not Magistracy that gives a being to a People but a People gives a being to the Magistracy and the Magistracie is or should be for the Peoples good So it is in this case with the Church it s not the Pastor that gives being to the Church but the Church gives being to the Pastor the Church and Ordinances are before Pastors Object But there must be some one or other to preach for the gathering of the Church and such a one is before the Church and may be said to give being to the Church Answ True but we are not now speaking about preaching out of but in a constituted Church And secondly out of a constituted Church gifted brethren may preach for the gathering of a Church or Churches and if God give a blessing to them and manifest his presence with them as those Acts 8. with Acts 11. they may baptize them and gather them into fellowship as they did You pretend absurdities that will follow If men may preach without a call they may baptize deliver the Supper exercise Church censures without a Call I say it is not without a cal the Churches freedom or desire is cal enough for either if the party be gifted to it all lawful Cals to preach either wthin or without are sutable to the gift If no gift the cal is unlawfull and that Church which hath power to call an Officer hath power to call forth any gifted brother to do service for the Church if he have a freedom within himself to do it But you say then gifted boyes and gifted women and gifted Midwives may preach if all gifted persons may preach But by the way pray Sir what is the difference between women and midwives you might have done well to distinguish for I thought midwives had been women all this while but I have told you already that there is difference between gifted brethren and gifted women that is your own nonsensicall conclusion because gifted men may preach therefore gifted women Secondly Should I give by way of concession though not grant That it s not lawfull for men out of office to baptize yet they may preach and that 1. From the command for it s not the reasoning from the greater to the less will serve you but it s the command that makes things lawfull or unlawfull there is a command of preaching if not of baptizing Rom. 12. 3 6. 1 Pet. 4. 10 11. Examples Acts 8. 4. and 9. 20. and 18. 26. 2. Preaching and Baptism were not so united together as never to be separated as you pretend See 1 Cor. 1. 17. But to your fourth Argument If no Priest or Prophet might offer Sacrifice under the Law without a Call then none may preach the Word or deliver the Sacraments under the Gospel without a Call but no man might offer Sacrifice under the Law without a Call Ergo c. This Argument is one in substance with your first I thought your University Divinity had delivered you from such Tautologies and although I suppose there is enough said in mine Answer to the first for satisfaction to both yet I shall follow you in this likewise that so I may not leave one stone unturned nor any part of your warlike frame uncharged that so your Pulpit-Guard may be wholly and totally routed And to your Argument I give you a treble Answer First that there is no comparison to be made between the Jewish Priests and the Ministers of the Gospel although indeed your selves in many things run parallel with them but this I have answered to your first Therefore Secondly I answer that it s not the parity of Jewish Priests and Ministers of the Gospel that will hold in your Argument that is nonsensicall like most of the rest because the Jewish Priest or Prophet in time of the Law only might offer Sacrifice therefore none may preach or minister Ordinances under the Gospel without a Call you may as well make this Argument Because none were circumcised under the Law but men children therefore none under the Gospel but men children must be baptized But Sir the limiting of the Legal Sacrifice to the Legal Priesthood is no ground why none but Ministers in office should preach it was sufficient to them that none but them should offer Sacrifice So under the Gospel the command of Christ is the rule of Saints and that is it that makes things lawfull or unlawfull the Lord will have his servants not to hide their talents but that which they hear in secret they shall proclaim upon the house top that is publiquely not to hide as by stealth his goodness within them and this which you for base and self-ends so much cry out against was never forbidden but ever approved both in the old and new Testament any servant of the Lord might and did prophesie and preach forth the goodness of the Lord to others Moses wisheth that all the Lords people were Prophets And the Propet David Psal 145. 10 11 12. speaks once for all both for Law and Gospel All thy works shall praise thee O Lord and thy Saints shall bless thee they shall speak of the glory of thy Kingdom and talk of thy power to make known to the sons of men his mighty acts and the glorious majesty of his Kingdom Note man it s the Saints work and priviledge to declare the glorious majesty of the Kingdom of Christ And why Because they have been in the Kingdom and have seen it and can speak of it by experience 2 Pet. 1. 10 11. You are mistaken man it s not your University nor your Call that teacheth you knowledge in the Kingdom of the Lord and that is the reason of your so deep ignorance of and hatred against the Truth but it s the Saints work to preach the glad tydings of the Kingdom The Gospel is called The word of the Kingdom Mat. 13. 19. And who shall preach the word of the Kingdom Why the Saints shall declare the glorious word of thy Kingdom and talk of thy power and hence it is that the same Prophet David Psal 68. 11. saith The Lord gave the word and great was the company of those that published it or the army as the Margin notes it In the Hebrew A great Army of Saints publishing the Truth believe it Sir you are mistaken to imagine that God hath given a Patent to any Society or Generation of men under the Sun of what name or title soever they dignifie or distinguish themselves whether Pope Cardinal Jesuite
c. And know this will yet lie in your way and is not so easily removed as you imagine you pretend a distinction between gifting and sending Many thousands in the Nation are gifted you say but may not dare not preach c. Your gifted brethren it seems may not dare not preach you keep them in subjection but your sent ones though no gift at all they may and dare to do it or abuse it and what account will you give to the Lord for this at last think you You say None may preach in a constituted Church without sending in your way And yet in the constituted Church of Corinth they might all viz. who had the gift prophesy one by one you instance Barnabas and Saul Act. 13. 1. 2. who though they had gifts must be ordained Yet Saul preached Act. 9. 20 21 22. before he was ordained or had seen the Apostles see vers 27. And when Paul and Barnabas were Ordained it was not to preach in a constituted Church but to the world as you may see Act. 13. You say If bare gifts be a sufficient Call c. Then gifted boys may preach as the little gifted Boy at Stafford And why not Sir will you limit the holy One of Israel and dare you reproach the Scripture as you do out of the mouths of babes and sucklings he ordained strength and will confound his foes Then gifted women may preach you say This is your own conclusion because we say as the Scripture saith that gifted brethen may preach or prophesie therefore you in reproach will conclude that gifted women may preach but it s your conclusion and to your self I leave it and according to the Mystery of the truth I think there are but few if any besides women preachers among your selves You produce Mat. 10. 1. 5. Which you say fully clears the scruple where Christ distinguisheth gifting men from Authoritative sending v. 1. he gifts them vers 5. he sends them I answer First Is this such a sending as you have talked of in your mission Election Probation Ordination or an immediate sending as he sent Paul before he was Ordained Here is not a word of Ordination but sending no laying on of the hands of Christ but gifting sending and so the gifting and sending of the gifted brethren is when the Lord enables them in a measure unto it and saith in them to them go as in Paul Gal. 1. 16. As for those gifts you mention Mat. 10. 1. I query if you or any of your sent Brethren have those gifts or if you are so sent as those vers 5. You conclude two things that must concur in making a Minister gifts abilities qualifications both of life and learning This if rightly understood is a truth and I freely own it But you seem pag. 12. to bring in a mixture a hodge podge Arts Sciences Latine Greek Hebrew c. And is it true indeed that these gifts are required in a Minister then no Minister without them I wonder then the Apostles could be Ministers who are said to be illiterate or unlearned men Act. 4. 13. Or were they made partakers of the Spirit of Christ and are not the Saints now yea or else they are none of his Rom. 8 9. and is not the same Spirit sufficient now as then yea certainly to those who trust in him but it s the spirit of Antichrist that seeks out after humane helps to supply the room or want of this Spirit of Christ and having gotten it they grow proud of it are self-conceited in it make it their great idol and dare reproach the Spirit and power of the Lord appearing in his Saints Secondly He must have power and Authority from the Presbytery to exercise his Gifts he must not run before he be sent I have Answered this already what Presbytery sent Paul when he preached Act. 9. or the scattered brethren Act. 8. c. And where is that Presbytery among you that have power thus to send It seems you have high esteem of your Presbytery else you would not mention it so often when it s but a new trick of the Devil to give another name when the Prelate was out of date Alas you were ignorant of Presbytery your selves not long since but now the name lifts you up to Heaven although the nature of the Prelate still remains I suppose you harp so much upon this string that so they might preach nothing but what you approve and then your dark kingdom might it may be stand the longer but the Lord Jesus will consume and destroy Antichrist with the spirit of his mouth and the brightness of his coming You say All Preachers are sent either by God or by the Devil c. To this we fully assent without Tertullian your witness and I pray you look you unto it Are those who minister according to the measure of the gift given them in your account intruders usurpers sent of the Devil or of God Look to your self man you are upon a very sharp point and keen rock lest you fall or be split before you are aware Therefore I beseech you take a little view who are likeliest to be sent from God or the Devil your selves or your gifted Brethren The gifted brethren exercise the gift they have received either first when occasion and opportunity is offered to inform the judgement in the Gospel of Grace and Truth that so if the Lord work souls may be enlightned and converted or secondly to build up the Church in its most holy Faith he doth his Office as a member in the body that it may grow up in him who is the Head Your selves First make up a Church a body as you call it of Christ a monstrous body of prophane ones and give them Ordinances tell them they are Christians and so delude them and without infinite mercy damn them for ever Secondly Are ignorant of and envious to the truth the Saints and Servants of God Thirdly Do not the work of Christ preach baptize Believers converted gather Churches build up Saints but the contrary by way of opposition to all Fourthly For the most part are carnal loose base in conversation not so much as common civility or civil honesty yet all one sending Now be your selves judges who are sent from God and who from the Devil who doth the work of Christ and who the work of the Devil Oh consider this you who forget God lest he come and tear you in pieces and there be none to deliver Pag. 13. You say 'T is for Wolves and false Prophets to be self called and to come of their own accord c. Answ You say truth They are wolves who are Self-called Thieves and Robbers Joh. 10. you mention it but the Query lieth here still Who are the Self-called ones you or the preaching brethren And so who are the wolves you or them Gifted brethren they preach only by Gift as they have received as I said either for conversion