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A47897 The observator defended by the author of the Observators : in a full answer to severall scandalls cast upon him, in matters of religion, government, and good manners. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1685 (1685) Wing L1283; ESTC R39044 26,127 41

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Catholick of the Church of England or a Church of England Protestant We allow him not to forget the Christian the Generous and the Friendly Obligations that many of the Roman Catholiques have laid upon him Lastly Let us allow that there are some points in the Church of Rome wherein tho we differ in Modalities and Terms we agree yet in the same meaning And that there are some other points wherein the matter is capable of such Condescentions and Abatements as both sides might very well close upon with a just deference to Christ●●● Charity and without offence to the Catholique Faith Yet after all these Concessions we do most certainly believe and seriously affirm that there are many other points in which neither Modalities and Terms do make the difference nor is the matter capable of such Condescentions and Abatements as both sides might well close upon without offence to the Catholique Faith 9. That is there are many things they hold and we do deny such again as we hold and they do deny that with all the Condesentions and Abatements can never be Accomodated nor we with all the Christian Charity be reconciled unless we are so base as against Truth and Reason to go over in those points wholly to them or Almighty God shall open their Eyes so to discern it that they come fully over to us 8. 9. I must be very Copious now upon This Subject to be very Clear And it is Certainly worth my while too when the Stress that 's laid upon the Cause in hand is made not only Matter of Life and Death but of Heaven and Hell too For if ever we live to see the second Part of Otes'es Plot there will be both Hanging aud Damning too in the Case In the First Place he Allows me to be a Catholique of the Church-of-England or a Church-of-England Protestant which will hardly Consist with his making me afterward more then Half a Papist Now if he had Intended Candidly and an Impartial Iustice upon the Question about My Religion there was enough in the Paragraph of Obs. 6. Vol. 3. whence he took This to have Answer'd That Point beyond All Controversy But his Bus'ness was to Bring me On not to Bring me Off And so I must e'en do That Right for My self which He would not do for me The Words of the Citation in Connexion are These Trim. 'T would be a great deal more Generous to Own and to Declare your self a Papist to the Whole World then to lye Wriggling In and Out thus betwixt Two Religions Obs. Why then once for all Trimmer I am a CATHOLIQVE and the very Same Catholique that I have Ever been and ever Profess'd my self to Be That is to say a Catholique of the Church of England Though I am well enough Content to Own my self a Protestant too according to the Best Acceptation of the Word Improperly Speaking and no Otherwise That Religion which I Own'd and Process'd upon the Sacrament to the Reverend Dr Ken at the Hague Now Lord Bishop of Bath and Wells when I was forc'd to run away from a Pack of Forsworn Miscreants here that would have made a Papist of me That very Religion do I Declare my self to be of at This Day and that I never put Pen to Paper throughout the Whole Course of this Pretended Plot in Justification of the Papists with any Regard to their Religion but out of the very Indignation of my Soul to see an Outcry against Popery on the One Hand made a Cover for a Republican and Phanatical Rebellion on the Other To see the Church of England Struck-at in That Popery and Every man that did but Talk like a Christian a Good Subject or an Honest Man to be presently Stigmatiz'd for a Papist to see Common Malefactors and Prostitute Hirelings set-up for the Saviours of a Church and a State and Gain Credit by Kissing the Outside of a Bible without Believing One Syllable of the Contents To see Three Kingdoms half-Eaten-up by Catch-Poles the Lives and Estates of Men of Honour Sacrific'd to the Rabble and what with Starving Projects and Bills of Exclusion the Late King and the Royal Family Treated Little Better then the Meanest Subjects Neither in the Presence of God was I ever Transported by any Partialities of Prepossession into so much as One Thought of Bitterness against the Dissenters any further then as upon Knowledge and Sure Experience I was Convinc'd as I am at This Instant that the Schism is only a Conspiracy and a League against the Government under the Masque of Religion If you Doubt of This I can Summon ye above a Hundred and Fifty of their Own Doctors to Verify this Opinion I have no Interest in this Declaration but to Deliver the Truth and Simplicity of my very Heart and to Confound the Malice of All Slanderers Impostors and Gain-sayers The Question upon the Matter here before us is Briefly This Not whether the Ingenious Worthy Man of Parts be a Protestant or a Papist but whether he be a Christian or no Nay a Pagan would not have made so Bold with his Idol as I have upon This Occasion with my Maker if I have not here Deliver'd the Truth without Guile or Reserve And I am Mistaken too if the Charity of Believing me be not as much a Christian Duty on the One Hand as the Sincerity of the Protestations I have here made is on the Other In his Next Citation out of Obs. 10. He passes over These Words at the Beginning of the Same Period Though I am not of the Religion of the Roman Catholiques I can never forget c. The Considerer I perceive had much rather make the world believe that I am a Papist then Cite Any Declarations or Oaths of Mine to the Contrary And yet now All o' th Sudden he comes Over to me and we Agree like Two Tallys Unless it be that He Out-does me even in my Own Proposition For he speaks Positively both to the Some Points and to the Some Other Points To which I only put my Naked Belief But the Surest way is to Referr to the Text it self There are Some Points in the Church of Rome wherein I veryly Believe though we Differ in Modalities and Terms we Agree yet in the Same Meaning There are some Other Points wherein I do As veryly Believe the Matter Capable of Such Condescentions and Abatements as Both sides might very well Close upon with a Just Deference to Christian Charity and without Offence to the Catholique Faith Obs. Num. 6. Vol. 3. Let Any man Compare the Considerer now upon This Point with the Observator and he shall find them to be Both so perfectly of a Mind upon the Desperate Doctrine of Modalities and Accommodable Differences in Some Points and in Some Other Points that they Agree in the very Same Words and Syllables But there are Many Other Points he says wherein the Matter is Not Capable of such Condescentions and