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B15559 A practicall catechisme: or, A view of those principall truths according to godlinesse, which are contayned in the catechisme diuided into three parts: and seruing for the vse, (as of all, so) especially of those that first heard them. By D.R. B. of Divin, minister of the Gospell. D. R. (Daniel Rogers), 1573-1652. 1632 (1632) STC 21166; ESTC S116040 309,840 430

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and for God against all his and her enemies according to that vow and oath shee tooke in her baptisme or prest mony wherein shee couenanted to bee Gods faithfull souldier against World Deuill or Flesh and therefore she is that Brood of Trauellers mentioned in Psal 84 Psal 24. that thorow Baca go to Ierusalem The Church Triumphant is that Inuisible which hauing cast off her harne is after the Victory obtained abides in soule with God and triumphs there ouer all conquered enemies Both these although in diuers state are the same Church as shall appeare when both shall receaue their bodies after the Resurrection and make one Spouse of Christ wherein is neyther spot nor wrinkle Now lastly the Church corrupt or malignant is that speciall kind of a Church Visible which although it retaines Baptisme and some such truths as are of the essence yet hath degenerated in the most of her tenets from the truth of the Gospell and therefore howsoeuer her Baptisme cannot simply be denied yet for her essentiall corruptions in most points of the foundation especially her malignity against the true Church is to bee for euer separated from by that Church which still retaineth the purity of doctrine and integrity of life And what this Church is all may conceaue to wit That vnder the Papacy Q. I vnderstand you Now say which of these is that which is the equall and onely subiect of Christ and his Benefits A. The Church inuisible of which we say in the Creed I beleeue the Holy Catholique Church Onely with this difference that although the whole Church enioy all yet because the Triumphant differs from the Militant in the fulnesse and possession the one by sence the other vnder the assurance of Faith and Hope therefore heere we especially aime at the militant as it containes the whole army of the Souldiers the body of his members For as particular souldiers make a ranke and many rankes or companies a legion and many legions an army so heere And as many particular visible congregations make vp the body of the whole visible so many particular inuisible members and companies make the whole inuisible body of the Church Militant Yet note the soule of this body so imparteth it selfe to all that yet each member partakes his part in these benefits See texts Heb. 12.16 Eph. 4.15 1 Cor. 1.30 Q. Explaine your selfe more fully For yee seeme heereby to preiudice the visible Church What Hath not shee then any prerogatiue in this behalfe A. Yes euery way farre be it from vs to conceaue such a grosse error I may say as Paul Rom. 9.4 Hers is the Law the Adoption the Glory the Commandements the Worship the Promises Nay from her wombe came forth this Inuisible company and at her brests they sucked and besides secretly in her bosome still doe lye the rest of the elect as yet vngathered yet in due time to be brought to this Fold We ascribe as much honour to a Church constituted as can be and in some sort say of her Shee is the pillar of truth in point of holding forth all the named priuiledges howbeit in this respect of the spirituall participation of the benefits of Christ we may not say that as she is onely visible she can be called the subiect heereof We grant it s one of the greatest blessings in the world to bee partakers of such a blessing as a visible Church and Blessed is that people whose God is the Lord. Howbeit to say that the Scriptures which speake of these Benefits doe directly aime at the visible Church as when he saith The Gates of Hell shall not preuaile against her That she is the pillar of truth That Christ is made to her Righteousnesse Sanctification c. is very dangerous For neither to her properly nor necessarily do such promises belong First not properly because spirituall things cannot bee partaken but by spirituall receiuing and instruments but that which giueth the name to visible is onely externall administration the spirituall efficacy of Word and Sacraments concerneth the elect onely The Visible Church be it neuer so perfect being that of which those parables doe speake when the Kingdome of Heauen not the World is compared to a field of graine and of tares or weeds to the net that had good fish or the elect and hypocrites that is reffuse trash that heap which had good wheat and yet more chaffe It is true that in the Lords accompt the ordinances are giuen to the elect primarily and to the rest for their sake but in respect of the outward Polity of a Visible Church the dispensation concernes both equally Secondly I adde not necessarily for the Church Militant had lyen hid for a long time together as in the times of persecution and confusion when sh● was pursued so hard eyther by Pagans or the malignant Church that she could not enioy so much as the Scriptures in their owne tongue much lesse the ordinances saue by steal●h As the Lord tels Elia 1 King 19.18 I haue reserued 7000. to my selfe that haue not bowed the knee to Baal and Obadia hid the Prophets from Ahab and Iezabel by fifties in a caue All stories record what a Catalogue of witnesses the Lord hath had by those Martyrs Confessors and Beleeuers since the primitiue times till now how God not only still had this Number when visibil●ty fayled but vsed them to support the truth by blood or banishment when all pure visibility fayled as by those Worthies in the dayes of Queene Mary Was not that the Church of God of which we read Heb. 11.35 36 37 Yet not visible for they were tortured had triall of cruell mockings scourgings b nds and imprisonment sawne slaine with the S●ord wandred in sheeps skins and Goates skins destitute and afflicted Of whom the world was not worthy And the Apostle Rom. 9.27 saith Though Israel were as the sand of the Sea yet a remnant onely shall be saued Not all of Israel are Gods Israel He is not a Iew who is of the letter but of the Spirit whose prayse is of God not of man I conclude Although it be the greatest blessing heere to the Church of Christ that she enioy her visible ordinances with peace and constitution yet in this respect she is not the Depositary of these spirituall benefits but in respect of her vnuisible frame by vocation and vnion Q. I conceaue well what Church you meane now prooue that this Church is this Subiect of these benefits A. The Scriptures do prooue it in all these Titles Prayses and promises belonging to her She is called in the Scripture Christ the body of Christ his loue doue faire one spouse Beloued without spot or wrinkle the Daughter of God Sister of Christ Temple or habitation of the Spirit especially in Heb. 12.15 16. The City of God the Innumerable company of Angels the generall Assembly and Church of the first borne which are enrolled in Heauen She is stiled The Peculiar