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A70152 An ansvver to a popish pamphlet called the touch-stone of the reformed gospell. made speciallie out of themselves. By William Guild, D.D. and preacher of Gods word. Guild, William, 1586-1657. 1656 (1656) Wing G2202; ESTC R221580 101,567 372

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sacrament seing there is no mention thereof in the institution but only that it is the precept of the Church sayeth he and that the Grecian and Easterne Church useth it not to this day But others againe pleadeth the necessitie of the mixture of water and therein placeth a mysterie Next Whether the water mixed with the wine be both converted in Christs blood it is controverted sayeth Biel on the canon of the Masse lect 35. and of this sayeth hee there are three opinions 1. That the water remaineth still in it owne kind and substance taking onlie the colour and Taste of the wine 2. That the wine is turned into Christs blood and the water into that which came out of Christs side on the Crosse but to that it is answered sayeth he that the words of consecration extendeth not themselves to the conversion of water at all specially into that which came out of Christs side The third opinion sayeth he is that the water is turned into wine in the mixture thereof and then that both together are turned into Christs blood and so that ther are two Transsubstantiations of the water whereof no mention is in scripture I could instance more concerning the adoration of the Hostie whether it should be absolute or conditionall as also their disagrement in everie other point of poperie beside the dissentions and divisions betweene the Scotists and Thomists the Dominicans and Franciscans the Sorbone and the Iesuits and all in weightie matters but studying to brevitie these shall suffice wherein I da●e challenge all the Priests and Papists in the world to instance the like amongst us especiallie in one point of doctrine Whose differences wherewith they upbraid us ar like molehills in regard of these mountains and rather in matter of government or ceremonie nor in any point of fundamentall doctrine and substance so that these Pharisee-like papists should first take the beame out of their owne eye before they spy the mote in their neighbours and hence-forth ceasse to brag of their Catholick unitie frō all which disagrements and digladiations amongst themselves I shall onlie conclude in Bellarmins owne words lib. 4. de Eccles cap. 10. § adde That it is a most sure Note of false doctrine that hereticall authours agree not therein amongst themselves 11. THat S. Peter was not ordayned by Christ the first head or chief amongst the Apostles VVHich he sayeth is contrarie to Math. 10. 2. where Peter is first named and therfore concludeth that he was first not onelie in order but in power and jurisdiction aboue the rest Which is an absurd inference that of twelve persons of one equall function because such an one is first named therefore hee hath authoritie and jurisdiction over all the rest for so Gal. 2. 9. where Iames is first named before Peter it would follow that Iames had jurisdiction over Peter Whereas all were alike in power and jurisdiction as Cyprian de unit Ecclesiae sayeth The rest of the Apostles were the self same that Peter was endued with alike fellowship both of honour power And we know sayeth Cardinall Cusanus lib. 2. de concord Cath. cap. 13. That Peter received no more power frō Christ than the other Apostles The second place which he bringeth is Math. 16. 18. Vpon this rock I will build my Church Which he adduced before for the Popes infallibilitie and to which I haue alreadie answered in the sixth Assertion And now he bringeth it to prove the Popes supremacie wheras beside Cardinall Cusanus forecited words on this place their learned Ferus sayeth thus It is proper onlie to Christ to be called this rock as Peter himself calleth him 1. Pet. 2. 4. and whereby it is evident sayeth he that Christ built not his Church on Peter or any other man for there is no man so firme and constant who cannot be moved which in Peter himself we manifestlie see therfore Christ himself is that rock wheron his Church is built sayeh he according to 1. Cor. 3. 11. other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid even Jesus Christ. The third place is Math. 16. 19. I will giue to thee the keyes of the kingdome of heaven Wherunto I answer that not only all the fathers except Origen declareth that all the disciples received the power of the keyes aswel as peter as Maldonat on this place confesseth but also Cardinall Cusanꝰ lib. 2. concord cath cap. 13. and with him Ferus and others say that Peter received no more power heereby from Christ than did the others Iohn 20. 23. The fourth place is 1. Cor. 3. 4. where one sayeth I am of Paull another I am of Apollos another I am of Cephas another I am of Christ where Peter is named next to Christ ascending from the lesser sayeth he to those whom he would haue esteemed greater To whom I answere 1. from nomination in order as hath beene said to conclude jurisdictiō over others in power is an absurd consequence 2. If the ascending be here from the lesser to the greater then it will follow that Paull who is named heere first is lesse● though an Apostle than Apollos which is absurd The fifth place is Luke 22. 31. where it is said to Peter When thou art converted confirme thy Bretheren that is sayth he practise exercise greatnes dōinion over thē I answer that this is a strange glosse indeed for to confirme is a duty of Ministration but not a dignitie of Donation as is said Act. 15. 32. That Judas and Silas exhorted the bretheren with many words and confirmed them which is not that they excercised greatnes dominion therby over thē but far otherwise as Theophylact on this place teaches and with him Beda Lyra Stella and Maldonat Our Saviour showing that Peter having after his denyall gotten such mercie from God and restoring to his dignitie of Apostle-ship he should from this experience confirme thē that were 〈…〉 of mercie and not to dispaire if thorow frailtie they should fall and did there-after repent sayeth he which dutie also we see David in the like case promiseth to performe Psal 51. 13. The sixth place is Luke 22. 26. wher Christ saith He that is greater amongst you let him be as the younger which showeth sayeth hee that amongst the twelve one was greater thā another even in Christs account To which I answere 1. The Evangelist Mathew cap. 20. 16. showes that it was not that amongst the Apostles one was greatest or chief in Christs account but that some would haue been so as we see in the mother of Zebedes sonnes petition Math. 20. 21. Next their own Lyra Carthusian Stella showeth that here the Apostles wer taxed of ambition by Christ because of the cōtention of some for preheminence aboue the rest Which was equally forbidden to all and not adjudged to be in the person of one Therefore also sayeth Ambrose on this place Vnto all the Apostles is given one plat forme of interdiction