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A04491 A dialoge describing the originall ground of these Lutheran faccions, and many of their abuses, compyled by syr William Barlow chanon, late byshop of Bathe; Dyaloge descrybyng the orygynall ground of these Lutheran faccyons, and many of theyr abusys Barlow, William, d. 1568. 1553 (1553) STC 1462; ESTC S101046 40,661 178

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vnto them whych is apartely proued by the oracyō of king Abya Roboams sone laynge to the people charge that they forsoke god made them goldē calues expu●syng the prestes deakons of goddes ordynaunce and instytutynge other after the order of hethē ydolaters Wherto agreeth in defence of mine opinion the generall confessyon of the people with theyr vnyuersall submissiō in knowlege of theyr trespaces recited in sondry places of scripture after thys forme we haue synned with our forefathers we haue done wickedly haue cōmitted iniquite all we haue transgressed thy commaundementes And surelye as the worlde is nowe crokedlye enclyned to malyce yf God sent heades and Prynces accordyng to thedeuelyshe appetites of much people the welth of this region wold be sone subuerted euery state brought to confusion albeit they other wyse coloure it and make as though they ment none harme but rather much deuotion that the vnlearned would haue the Scripture in theyr handes for none other cause but onely to preache secretly to them self for lacke of good preachers abroade But then in dede it appereth that they preach to thē selfe and theyr neyghbours to many an horryble heresye and abuse the scripture to the colorable defence of the same And then are they also to all Tyndals bokes whiche for the manyfolde mortall heresyes conteyned within the same openlye condempned and forbyddē they are I saye yet vnto those bokes so sore affectionate that neyther the condempnation of them by the clergy nor the forbydding of them by the kinges hyghnes with his open proclamations vpon greate paynes nor the daūger of open shame nor parell of paynfull deth can cast thē out of some fond folkes handes and that folke of euery sorte Howe thynke ye then these folke wold haue bene stomaked how many mo wold haue blustred out with them yf the mayntenaūce of the prynces and the states of the realme whych our lorde defende had bene vppon they re syde And where about wolde they then haue gone aboute no great good ye maye be sure Se ye not the vyllayne beggers and valyaūt vagaboundes whom god plageth with pouer te and myserye for theyr abom ynable lyuyng dysposed to no goodnes howe hartely they wysshe for a ruffelynge daye Beholde euery state all moste in euery chrystē realme as husband mē artyfycers marchaunts courtyers with all other degrees as well spyrituall as temporal I fere me that ye shall saye but if god of his goodnes amēde vs the soner there shall come to passe amonge vs the ferefull iugemēt of god spoken by the prophete Osee to the people of Israhell and inhabyters of the lande There is no truthe no mercye nor scyence of god in the yerth Cursynge lyenge manslaughter theft and aduowtrye hathe ouer flowen bloode hathe towched bloode for the which the yerth shall wayle and euery inhabyter in it shall be feebled And this as I haue sayde not one contrey fawty another fawtles one estate fowle and deformed and another pure clene the spyrytualtie synful and the temporaltie set all on vertue the heades rulers culpable the people oute of blame nor that any estate maye laye the hole weight of Goddes wrath vnto the other and therof discharge them selfe but eche of theym is cause both of theyr own harme and other folkes to And the people are nothynge lesse fawtye prouokynge the wrathe of God than theyr heades or gouernours nor one state partyculerlye cause of anothers calamytie But all we together haue synned haue deserued the vengeaūce of God whiche hangeth before our eyes redy to fall ere we be aware N. In this poynt ye haue ryghte well satisfyed my mynde but what remedye now of reconciliacion agayne to God W. Forsoothe I knowe none but onely penaunce I saye not repentyng onely as Luther and Tyndall and these new folkes call it whiche wolde begyle vs make vs wene that we nede no more but onely repente and do no penaunce at all tellynge vs that Christes passion shall stand in stede of al our penaunce though we do neuer so euyl and lyue neuer so longe With this false doctryne they dryue many a soule to the deuyll makynge theym neglygente and take lyttell care or sorowe for theyr synne and so muche the more rechelesse in fallynge to synne agayne But I speake of pennaunce as it implieth both repētaūce of our synnes past the y● sacrament of penaunce wyth ●are sorow and bodely payn afflyccy on taken for our syn wyth prayer almouse other good workes to purchase the more grace that we shuld with recourse to confessyon the sacrament of penaūce dylgently prepare our selues in folowing the exāple ▪ of the Nyniuytes whyche at the preachynge of the prophete Jonas repented wyth ernest purpose of amendynge theyr lyues and dyd penaunce in deede in fastynge and prayer humblynge they re ●owles frome the moste to the least vnto the mercy of god N. wolde our lorde that we had such a prophete sent amōg vs to exhorte vs vnto penaūce as the prophete Jonas was to theym W. That were lyke to the request of the ryche glut tone in hell of whom the gospel telleth which desyred that Lazare myghte be sente to warne hys brethern to whom it was answered that hauynge Moyses the prophetes they shuld gyue credence to theym wher fore seynge that we haue holy scrypture which expresseth the rightwysn̄es of god declaring howe our forefathers were punysshed for theyr synnes yf we refuse to be warned by they re admonycyon truely we wolde be as neglygent to amende yf Jonas raysed frō death to lyfe shulde preache vnto vs. For we haue saynt John baptist a greater prohete than Jonas was cryēg to al sinners Do ye worthy frutes of penaunce of whom Christ wytnesseth that there is none greater than he amonge the chyldrē of womē Also oure saueour Christ hym self of whom saynt John̄ testyfyed that he was vnworthy to lose his shoe latchet preached penaunce sayinge Do ye pennaunce the kyngedome of heauen is at hande And in another place of the Gospell he sayth yf ye do not penaunce ye shall all peryshe And Saynte Peter his vy●ar here in earth vpon whom and whose faythfull confession he promysed to bylde his churche preached likewyse in his fyrste Sermone sayinge Do ye penaūce and be conuerted to God that youre synnes maye be done awaye Also saynt Paule the chosē vessell of God preached fyrste of al to them of Damasco that they shuld be penitent and turne to god perfourming the due workes of penaunce Cōfyrmynge the same when Christ appered vnto the .ii. disciples iorneinge to Emaus he sayd y● after his death and resurrection it behoued penaunce to be preached in his name and remission of sinnes for why the cause of his comynge was not to call ryghteous folk but sinners vnto penaunce And the aungelles of heauen reioyced not so greatly in nynty nyne iuste persons as vpon one synner doyng penaūce
Israhelytes lybertie and sone delyueraunce of theyr bondage causynge them to truste in his leasynge whiche he sayde was the worde of God And generallye all other false Prophetes bosted them selues to be sente of God came to prech his truth whome he neuer dyd sende as he wytnessethe with his owne mouthe in diuers places of the byble Furthermore all suche as occupye inchauntmentes cōiurers wytches in theyr busynes wyth manye ceremonies rehearse the word of God Also our sauyour Christe sayth that manye shall come in his name saying I am Chryste and they shall desceaue many but howe surely in perswading that their doctryne is Goddes word and that they be hys messengers hys annoynted sonnes and specyall prophetes So dyd Symon Magus delude the people of Samary affermyng that he was Christe Lykewyse Machomette named hym selfe the great prophete of God And all other heretykes commenlye in fortefyenge theyr abhomynable heresyes alledge the worde of God and euangelike veryte accordyng as Martyn Luther with the whole rable of hys adherents do dayly practyse But what auayleth it to resyte the worde of God yf we interprete it by a false peruerted sence What auauntage is it to saye Lord Lorde and do not as he cōmaūdeth vs He that saith I know God and obseruethe not hys commaundementes is a lyer and there is no truthe in hym The Pharyseys Dyscyples sayd to Christe Mayster we knowe that thou art a true speaker thou teachest y● waye of God in truthe yet thoughte they nothynge so in theyr hartes What thynge is more easy for these new teachers than in blasynge theyr auctorytye to saye that theyr doctryne is the trewe worde of God and that they haue hys spyryte where as they admyt no interpretacion of scripture but theyr owne in so muche that they reiecte parte of the bible because it serueth not to theyr purpose Concerninge the determinatiō of generall councelles and auctorytye of auncyent doctours of the churche they vtterly contemne excepte in fewe thynges whereoute they gather sentences whyche falselye depraued and otherwhile chaunged clene contrarye to the auctoures intent they make to serue in coulourynge theyr heresye Howe shall wee then knowe whether they be the ryghte preachers theyr doctryn the word of god or noo Trewlye Chryste geueth vs a rule infallyble sayenge By theyr fruytes ye shall knowe theym A good tree can brynge forthe no euyll fruyte nor a badde tree canne brynge forthe no good frute And they whiche here the worde of God with an earnest and good hart they holde it faste bryngynge forth fruyte in patience Also Saint James descrybyng the expedient condition of christen prechers and heuenly learning sayth who that among you is wyse endued with connynge lette hym shewe hys good workes out of a good conuersation wyth softenes of wysedome If ye haue sower hatred and varyaunce amonge you in youre harte wyll not ye reioyce and be lyars agaynst the truth for thys is not the wysdome comminge from aboue but earthly bestial and deuelysh Where as is enmyte contention there is inconstancy and all noughty doyng The wisdom that descēdeth from God is fyrste chaste and so peaseable mylde treatable full of mercy and good frutes wythout any mysdemynge or dyssymulatyon Nowe to compare these fruites vnto the actes of these Lutheran factyons ye shall fynde a farre difference Wherefore seyng that by longe experyence I haue perceaued the fashion manner and order of all states among them and was no small whyle conuersaunt wyth those whiche are of hyest reputation both for theyr sobernes of lyfe and fame of lyterature I haue thought it necessary for the dyscharge of my conscience and information of other playnlye to shewe the verytie as I haue knowen wyth out hatred of them or fauoure of any other persons which to performe I haue here compiled thys lytle processe folowynge vnder the forme of a breife dyaloge Wherein though ye shall rede some thynges so straunge for the enormities of them that diuers men namelye the fauourers of these sectes wyll iudge them vnlykelye of trueth and halfe impossyble to be vsed among resonable people endued wyth any wysdom or learning yet are they matter in dede accordynge as ye shall see vnfaynedlye declared And be ye full assured that I reherse not by a greate parte all the abuses manyfestlye knowen by thē nor so many as I could shew whiche god wyllyng hereafter in proces of tyme maye be dysclosed more largelye A greate occasion why that many be so feruēt in fauorynge this Lutherane doctryne is the vayne prayses of much people commyng from thence reportyng that there is so good order suche charitable liberalitie and euangelyke conuersation whiche is all to gether false And dyuers of suche tydyng cariers lest they might seme ignoraunte in a fewe thinges they frame theym selues wythoute shame to lye in manye It is harde for a renagate frere a faythelesse apostata a forlorne coopeman a marchaun tes prētyce or an embassatours hostler hauynge lytle learning lesse dyscresyon small deuocyon and scant a curtesy of wysedome to make true reporte in such matters And yet are ther of them which make thē selues full busy and are as redy to tell that they knowe not as that that they know accordynge as they feale theyr affeccions desposed whome they couet to please by whiche meanes they attayne hye cōmendations made much of ar called prety wyse men proper persōs with many goodes blessynges vpon theyr hartes Suche is the maddenes of the worlde and folysh appetytes of people preferring their corrupt affections before ryghte iudgement and testymonye of theyr conscyence Truthe it is that the Germayns of old antiquite haue deserued specyall lawde for theyr playnes in worde and dede voyd of dissimulation and for theyr homelye famylyaryte wythout acception of p●rsons in whiche vnto this daye they excel other nacions wherof the originall cause manye falslye do ascrybe to thys Lutheran doctryne beynge doubtlesse meru● lousely decayd throughe it so that true playnesse was not wonte to be so scace there among scant good liuers as fraudes begyn now to be plenty among theyr newe Gospellers Wherefore Christen reders I exhort you all percialite set a parte to fyxe youre selfe vppon the lyuynge worde of God whiche may saue your soules and walke dyrectlye after it bowynge nether on the one syde nor on the other I meane not that fleshly worde nor theyr Gospell whiche saye ye haue no fre wyll youre good deedes shall not saue you nor your yldedes shall not dampne you the sacramētes of the church be nothing of necessite ye nede not to be confessed to a preeste ye are not bownde to obey the lawes of the church c. but that true worde of god verye gospell of our Sauyour Christe of whose fyrste sermon the antetheme was thys Doo ye pennaunce for the kyngdome of God is at hande And at hys laste farewell from his Disciples he affyrmed the same saying that in his name it behoued