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B01759 The case of the dissenting Protestants of Ireland, in reference to a Bill of Indulgence, vindicated from the exceptions alledg'd against it, in a late answer. / By Ioseph Boyse. Boyse, J. (Joseph), 1660-1728. 1695 (1695) Wing B4069; ESTC R170748 15,878 14

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