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A77397 Anabaptism, the true fountaine of Independency, Brownisme, [double brace] Antinomy, Familisme, and the most of the other errours, which for the time doe trouble the Church of England, unsealed. Also the questions of pædobaptisme and dipping handled from Scripture. In a second part of the Disswasive from the errors of the time. / By Robert Baillie minister at Glasgow. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.; Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. Dissuasive from the errours of the time. 1647 (1647) Wing B452A; Thomason E369_9; ESTC R38567 187,930 235

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have all their children excluded not onely from the seals but from the covenant it self and all its gracious promises either of grace or glory and from every spirituall blessing It must be a very clear Scripture that ought to perswade so great a change of Gods administration of his covenant and its seals so much to the worse of that which is confessed was before his usuall practise and command A fifth reason Arg. 5. from Christs laying of his hands on infants and blessing them Whosoever by Gods expresse direction and practise is admitted to his favour and blessing and to the outward signs and seals thereof may be baptized But by Christs expresse direction and practise some infants are admitted to his favour and blessing and to the outward signs and seals thereof Ergo. The major is grounded upon the nature of baptisme which is a seal of Christs blessings they to whom the blessing of Christ and the outward seal thereof belongs why should they not be admitted to baptisme when once the Lord has solemnly declared his will to initiate all to whom his blessings belong by the seal of baptisme The minor is clear from Mat. 19.13 Mat. 19.13 Then were there brought unto him little children that he should put his hands upon them and pray and the Disciples rebuked them but Jesus said Suffer little children and forbid them not for of such is the kingdome of heaven and he laid his hands on them also Mar. 10.13 14 15 16. Mark 10.13 14 15 16. And they brought young children to him that he should touch them and his Disciples rebuked those that brought them but when Jesus saw it he was much displeased and said unto them Suffer little children to come unto me and forbid them not and he took them up in his arms put his hands upon them and blessed them Here the Lord commands children to be brought to him he is much displeased and reproves his Disciples for stopping of them he laid his hands upon them and blessed them declaring that of such was the kingdome of heaven Exceptions against these places t●ken off To this argument three things are answered First that the children mentioned were not infants but grown to such years as made them capable of instruction Secondly that their blessing was not spirituall but a temporall health Thirdly that the sign and seal mentioned is not baptisme but imposition of hands To the first we reply that the children were not of so many years as made them capable of instruction for the text cals them expresly young and little ones Secondly they were so young that they could not walk they were brought to Christ they did not come but in the arms of their parents Christ also took them up in his own arms Thirdly if they had been capable of instruction the Apostles could not have been offended for they knew that it was their masters office and delight to instruct all who were capable and the comming of such to the great Doctor could have given no offence To the second the text gives not the least hint that any bodily cure was either required or given Secondly the blessings given were such as Christ is desired to seek from the Father by prayer and these could not but be the best blessings even spirituall and everlasting Thirdly it 's expressed in the place that the greatest of all blessings was theirs even the very kingdome of heaven While this is denyed by the adversaries affirming that the kingdome of heaven belongs not to infants but onely to those who are like them the text refels this their shift for the kingdome of heaven must belong much more to themselves then to such who were onely like them The scope and intention of Christ in this place is not to speak of the condition of others like to infants but of infants themselves who were unjustly stopped by the Apostles to come to him and the Lord is pleading for the admission onely of infants to him upon this reason that heaven belonged to such which had been an impertinent argument for his conclusion if heaven had not belonged to infants at all who upon this reason are required to be admitted to him Farther if infants were to be admitted to Christ because heaven belonged to these who resembled them in some qualities it would follow that doves lambs serpents stones and trees might have been brought to him upon this reason as well as infants for men resembling these creatures in their good qualities are to goe to heaven As for their third answer it is very true that the signe in the place alledged was not baptism this was never alledged for we read nothing of the baptism of the parents of these infants who were presented to Christ as yet the command of baptism was not made so publick as afterward when the Lord at his ascension sent out his Disciples in the power of the holy Ghost to gather a formed Church and to baptize beleevers and their children the reason proceeded not from baptisme but to baptisme and that à loco disparatorum since imposition of hands a seal of Christs grace and blessing and of the kingdome of heaven belonged to infants that therefore baptisme a seal of that same kind when once the Lord had solemnly at his ascension appointed it to be the ordinary seal of initiation into his Church ought not to be denyed unto them A sixth reason Arg. 6. Infants under the Law were baptized Infants were baptized as well as their parents by Moses baptisme Ergo Infants as well as their parents ought to be baptized by Christs baptisme The antecedent is the Apostles 1 Cor. 10.1 2. 1 Cor. 10.1 2. M r●over brethren I would not that ye should be ignorant how that all our fathers were under the cloud and all passed through the sea and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the Sea The Father 's baptized in the cloud and in the sea were the whole people as well young as old for no doubt the infants went as well through the cloud and the sea as their parents The consequence is proved thus the reasons which may be brought for the exclusion of infants from being baptized with their parents by Christs baptisme militar as much against their being baptized with their parents by Moses baptisme Therefore if notwithstanding they were admitted to the one baptisme they may as well be admitted to the other If it be said that the infants did with their parents in the wildernesse eat of the Manna and drink of the rock yet may they not now be admitted with their parents to eat and drink at the Lords Table We answer there is no such necessary evidence of the infants eating of the Manna and drinking of the rock as of their passing through the cloud and sea this necessity was simple and absolute the other not so for infants may live on their mothers breasts and the milk of cattle without
belong to the soul they may compell men by their Laws and Edicts to come unto Ecclesiastick meetings it cannot be denied but by this means faith and the conscience are forced Christian liberty is taken away and a Mosaick compulsion is put in its place DD Bullinger p. 18. That a Christian ought not to be a Magistrate that Christians ought not to resist them that offer violence and so have no use of any Judicatories Hortensius p. 13. All Magistrates are to be put down it is necessary to oppose Magistracy with all our might EE Hortensius p. 13. The Anabaptists increasing much every where did exercise Jurisdiction among themselves in private houses they punished their own members even unto death FF Hortensius p 13. Though the Apostles had not the right of the sword yet unto their followers now God hath given power to take away the prophane Magistrate by the sword as they thought meet Bullinger p. 3. They taught that God had revealed to them that all Princes and Nobles were to be cast down that God had given to them the sword of Gedeon against all Tyrants to set at liberty the people of God and to set up the new Kingdome of Christ upon earth GG Historia Davidis Georgii p. 11. The Battenburgicks avowed that peace and grace was removed from the earth after the time that the gracious offer made by Becold was refused henceforth the refusers were to be killed with the sword HH Bullinger p. 2. all of their society were to be counted elect and children of God all others were to be counted wicked and to be killed III Hortensius p. 13. Before the last day Christ was to have a temporall Kingdom upon the earth here only the Saints should bear rule all Princes being cut off by the sword and that now this Kingdome was begun in the Anabaptists Guy du Brez p. 5. They preached their dreams as divine oracles to wit that there should come a new world wherein dwelled righteousnesse and for this cause it was necessary to root out of the earth all the wicked with all Princes and infidell Magistrates all that was not of their sect and faction they called infidels KK Historia Davidis p. 9. The Monasterians did affirm that the time wherein the Saints were to be afflicted was come to an end that the time of the Harvest was now come wherein God would revenge and deliver his people and put their enemies under their feet LL Hortensius p. 14. To spoyl the Temples they counted it lawfull saying that the Jews of old had done the like when under the command of Moses they went away l●aden with the spoyls of the Egyptians Also Bullinger p. 61. At this time some lofty spirits promise great things to themselves before the last day as the Jews of old did abuse the fair promises of the Prophets all which they understood carnally and according to the letter MM Hortensius p. 31. O Becold the Father gives to thee the sword and cals thee to be King that thou maist reign in Sion c. NN Hortensius p. 30. The King said that he was appointed of God to be King to take ●●ay 〈…〉 men by the sword that he was to go throrow the world and to execute with death all that did not beleeve OO Hortensius p. 37. Commonly the men had five wives many sixe some seven or eight PP Sleidan l. 10. p. 274. The complaints that were brought to the King for the most part concerned Divorces these were most frequent so that some who had lived together till old age were put asunder QQ Vide supra Cap. 1. RR Vide supra Cap. 1. SS Heresbachius p. 43. Let no man have any proper goods but let all be brought and laid down at the feet of the Preachers after the example of the ancient Christians TT Heresbachius p. 152. The Famine in Munster was equall to that of Jerusalem for the Soldiers searching the houses for prey did finde the legges and arms of the young children salted for food yet the King and Rotman and Knipperdolling had good enough provision VV Hortensius p. 37. Their Law was to accompany with their wives while they had conceived XX Historia Davidis p. 28. These Saints were exempted from all laws of Matrimony of bloud and affinity the difference of Father Mother Brother Sister among them doth cease and evanish XX 2 Bullinger p. 37. They did perswade the women that they did sin grievously if they kept company with their own husbands who remained Pagans and were not yet rebaptized but that they sinned not in keeping company with any Anabaptists because among all them was a spirituall matrimony YY Historia Davidis Georgii p. 43. Shame was contracted through sin and now is to be laid aside so by faith in Christ all that shame for the secrets of nature is to be cast away ZZ Ibid. p. 28 29. The words are so abominable that I cannot translate them AAA Historia Davidis p. 36. David Georgius went to glory of his mysteries as if they had never entred in the minde either of men or Angels but had been reserved to the last times that with their new light the old Doctrines of the Prophets and the Apostles were to be darkned as the starres are put out by the brightnesse of the rising Sun BBB Vide supra AAA CCC Historia Dav. p. 52. The tenet of the Catholick Church concerning Angels and Devils that they are invisible spirits created of God in their own distinct substances separate from men is nugatorious that the Angels are only qualities and motions which God inspires into men that the Devils are nothing but only boggles in the night to terrifie men arising from mens imaginations DDD Bullinger as I remember ascribes this to some of the Anabaptists EEE Historia Dav. p. 52. That heaven and hell Christs last comming and Judgement life eternall c. are no where to be expected but within a man Ibid. p. 51. The place of eternall happinesse shall not be above us in the heaven but upon the earth Ibid. p. 50. In the last judgement there shall be no other change in the heaven and in the earth then we see dayly what the Apostle speaks of such a change is to be referred to the manners and mindes of men not unto the outward elements FFF Historia Dav. p. 50. The second comming of Christ shall not be seen with bodily eyes but spiritually it is even now performed within in the minde GGG Historia Dav. p. 44. In this time of perfection all outward worship all rites and Sacraments must cease and evanish HHH Historia Dav. p. 43. Many of these things were exhibit in Christ Jesus and his Apostolick Church but only according to the letter and the body not according to the spirit who at that time was not exhibit III Apocalypsis in Davide Georgio He avowed that he had absolute authority to condemne and to quicken and that in the last day he was to judge the twelve Tribes of
finde that all their zeal and Covenanting with the high God is for no other end then to bring this easily deluded Nation under bondage to Presbyteriall Lords and Taskmasters The interest of England p. 16. Quaere 6. Whether the solemne League and Covenant may not prove the greatest mischief and snare unto the Kingdome in case its interpretation be wrested from the Parliament to the Presbyters new proselyte and his confederates that ever yet was invented since the Warres See also Dels scruples against the Covenant through the whole PPP 3 Remonstrance of many thousands p. 8 10 13 14 18. Also the interest of England p. 13. PPP 4 I spare to name the worshipfull and reverend instruments of this high contumely most unworthy of them PPP 5 Conscience cautioned p. 5. If the Scots stay and keep our Towns and Garrisons after voted out is it not Invasion Is it not the same to enter in hostility or in confluent numbers after voted out if they deliver not up the King when demanded without capitulation for they are our Army our servants and is not the king our States Prisoner Ibid. p. 12. All this is but to King the Scots under the colour of the Kings name to make them Kings of England and the English their slaves Quaeries Who is it that holds out c p. 1. Also black cloud in the North through it all PPP 6 Gangren third Part. QQQ The modest Queries concerning a printed paper p. 6. Abstruse and disputable points of Religion as that of free-will of the Trinity of the Hypostaticall union concerning the death of Christ concerning the state of the soul after death c. RRR Ibid. p. 1. Whether it be agreeable to the minde of Christ for men to inflict the heavy censure of death upon their Brethren for holding forth such Doctrines or opinions in Religion suppose contrary to admonition which for ought the said inflicters know except they make themselves infallible may be the sacred truths of God SSS Vide supra in the Histories of Becold and Muncer TTT M. Marshals Defence p. 75. It is most apparent that their Books even to this day do constantly defend that though Magistracy be an Ordinance of God as to them who are not under the dominion and kingdome of Christ yet Christ hath put an end to it among his own people taken away all Magistracy from among them that no Christian can be a Magistrate with a good conscience and that if Christians do live under any such they are to bear them but as other plagues and judgements are to be born TTT 2 Disswasive first Part p. 152. MMMMMM 3. VVV Ibid. p. 72. VV. XXX M. Williams informed me that Mistresse Hutchison in the first place she setled with her company after her banishment did perswade her husband to lay down the office of the Magistrate as that which was unlawfull for Christians to bear YYY The just mans justification p. 10. That you would think upon the grand murderer of England for by this impartiall Law of God there is no exemption of Kings Princes Dukes Earles Barons Judges or Gentlemen more then of Fishermen Coblers Tinkers and Chimney-sweepers upon his shoulders all the innocent bloud that hath in such abundance been shed in this Kingdom doth lie Numb 35.31 God saith plainly that there shall no satisfaction be taken for the life of a murtherer but he shall surely be put to death because Saul though a King slew some Gibeonites contrary to the Covenant made with them God sent a famine upon all Israel for three years for that very innocent bloudshed by the King And there was no expiation or satisfaction to be made therefore but by the bloud of him that had shed it and therefore because he himself was dead and his bloud could not be had seven of his sons of his own bloud must and was hanged up to make satisfaction therefore 2 Sam. 21.1 2 3 4. to the 9. See also Arguments proving that we ought not to part with the Militia Argument 10. According to protestations oathes and Covenants he ought to be brought to exemplary and condign punishment he being the greatest and most notorious delinquent in the whole Kingdome yea the originall fountain and wel-spring of all the Delinquents in the Kingdom giving Commissions to all the rest to kill murther and slay the innocent people Also Queries to finde out who it is that holds out in Arms against the State of England How can it be properly said that the English Creator the State of England can commit Treason against its own mee● creature the King their rebellious servant who hath stood it out in open hostility as long as possibly he could against his earthly Soveraign Lord King and Creator the State universall whose legall and formall representative the Parliament is ZZZ The Remonstrance of many thousands p. 6. Your Preachers must pray for him as if he had not deserved to be excommunicated all Christian society or as if ye or they thought God were a respecter of the persons of Kings in judgement we do expect according to reason that ye should in the first place declare and set forth King Charles his wickednesse openly before the world and withall to shew the intolerable inconveniences of having a Kingly Government from the constant evill practises of those of this Nation and so to declare King Charles an enemy and to publish your resolution never to have any more but to acquit us of so great a charge and trouble for ever and to convert the great revenue of the Crown to the publick Treasure The last Warning p. 1 2. None can shew one good Act that ever any King did voluntarily for the good of the people If ye will examine Stories or your own experience your self may produce thousands of oppressions murders and other Tyrannies though no condition of mankinde ever did so many so intolerable mischiefs though it cannot be said to what use they serve or that there is any use of them except to debauch and vex a people you hate those that would shew a more just and rationall way of Government then that of Kings Remostrance p. 16. If ye would in many things follow the Hollanders good example and make this Nation a State free from the oppression of Kings and the corruption of the Court c. AAAA The just man in bonds p. 1. The Lords are but painted puppies and Dagons that our superstition and ignorance their own craft and impudence have erected no naturall issues of Laws but the extuberances and mushromes of Prerogative the wens of just government putting the body of the people to pain as well as occasioning deformity Sonnes of conquest they are and usurpation not of choyce and election intruded upon us by power not constituted by consent not made by the people from whom all power place and office that is just in this Kingdome ought onely to arise BBBB Alarm to the House of Lords p. 4. This is
errour ZZ Ibid. p. 1. M. Den answered the Heathen had the Gospel preached to them in the creatures and in them was revealed the knowledge of Christ crucified if they had eyes to see it AAA Ibid. He said there was a power in a man to resist grace and that the grace that would convert one man would not convert another BBB Gangren first Part p. 21. They teach that regenerate men who have true grace may fall totally and finally away from the state of grace CCC Gangren first Part division second p. 22. This M. Den was sent forth by Lambs Church into Bedfordshire Cambridgeshire and those parts to preach universall grace and to rebaptize DDD M. Wels preface to the short story of the rise raign c. This kinde of Doctrine takes so well here in London and other parts of the Kingdom and you see so many daunce after this Pipe running after such and such crowding the Churches and filling the doors and windows even such carnall and vile persons many of them as care not to hear any other godly Ministers but only their Leaders EEE M. Gatakers shadows without substance p. 25. You or these you maintain affirm that the morall Law is of no use at all to a beleever no rule for him to walk nor to examine his life by and that Christians are free from the mandatory power of it yea in Pulpits they cry out Away with the Law Gangren second Part p. 126. The Preacher observed that the hand-writing of Ordinances the ten precepts faire written by the finger of God was altogether taken away FFF Ibid. p. 133. Hereupon Oats peremptorily affirmed and stood to maintain that there was no power in any Christian Magistrate to inflict a capitall punishment upon any member of a Church unlesse first he was cast out of the Church and so delivered to the secular power what ever his offence was though murder or Treason GGG Ibid. Being pressed with the authority of that Text He that sheddeth mans blood by man shall his blood be shed he and the rest cryed out What had they to do with Moses they were Christs Disciples not Moses Disciples HHH Gangren second Part p. 120. One of the followers of M. Simpson the Antinomian said it in the hearing and presence of divers M. Simpson being then also present that if a child of God should commit murder he ought not to repent of it and M. Simpson never reproved him for it though by one present in the company he was spoken unto to doe it III Christs counsell to the Angell of Laodicea p. 41 42. cited in Gatakers shadows p. 11. Nothing at all is required in any respect of him for whom Christ died they are deceivers that teach otherwise neither faith nor repentance nor self-deniall nor hearing nor use of Ordinances nor observation of Sabbath nor doing as we would be done to and the rest They are false Teachers that make these duties and teach that we must exercise our selves in these things or we shall have no part in Christ KKK Gatakers shadows p. 2. M. Saltmarsh encourages Christians not to be troubled for any sin nor to imagine that God is displeased with them or that any afflictions do befall them for their sins or that they shall ever be called to any account for them Ibid. p. 9. You infuse such principles as these that God sees no sin in them live they never so ill nor like them any whit the lesse when they do sin nor is at all displeased with them or will ever call them to account for ought they do LLL Ibid. p. 49. What you subjoyn is scandalous Place say you salvation upon a free-bottome or else you make the Covenant but an old Covenant in new terms in stead of Do this and live Believe this and live repent and live obey and live and all this is for want of revealing the mystery more fully MMM Ibid. p. 2. M. Saltmarsh preaches that Christ hath perfectly beleeved for us and perfectly repented for us Ibid. p. 36. He expoundeth all the places he quoted wherein any duty was required not as to be done by us but as done by Christ for us and so to be beleeved of us NNN Vide supra III. also Gatakers shadows p. 11. It is the way that you your self and others of the Antinomian Party propound to wit that there is nothing required to be done by any for the obtaining of a share in the redemption and salvation procured and purchased by Christ or for the application of Christs merits unto any and they may therefore be saved by Christ without faith or repentance or new obedience though they continue in infidelity impenitency and the worst sins that are OOO Gangren first Part division second p. 33. Hobson preaching against holy duties spake thus I was once as legall as any of you can be I durst not eate a bit of bread but I gave thanks I daily prayed and wept for my sins so that I had almost wept out my eyes with sorrow for sin but I am perswaded when I used all these duties I had not one jot of God in me Gatakers shadows p. 5. Your strains of a more glorious spirit are like your vaunting elswhere of a more glorious light PPP Gangren first Part second division p. 8. A great Sectary writes from Bathe that Christ came to witnesse and declare Gods love to us not to procure it for us for if God take at any time any displeasure to us he had been changeable seeing before the world began he saw us lovely in his Son he came not to procure the love of God to us or to satisfie him as some say but he was as I may say a most glorious publisher of the Gospel Ibid. p. 34. Hobson has printed that Christ did not by his death purchase life and salvation for all no not for the elect for it was not the end of God in the comming of Christ to purchase love and life but Christ himself was purchased by love that he might make out love and purchase us to love for Christ came not to reconcile God to man but man to God QQQ Vide supra PPP SSS Saltmarsh Treatises against M. Gataker TTT The Treatise of Baptism p. 32. Therefore know the mind of God and labour not anxiously about sins and the pardon of them which is a great impediment to the comfort and holinesse of our life VVV The Confession of the seven Churches first Edition Article 28. Those which have union with Christ are justified from all their sins past present and to come XXX Ibid. Article 25. The tender of the Gospel to the conversion of sinners is absolutely free no way requiring as absolutely necessary qualifications preparations terrors of the Law or preceding Ministery of the Law but onely and alone the naked soule a sinner and ungodly to receive Christ YYY Gangren second Part p. 20. Some speaking to the Antinomian Taylor deprehended in the acts of his
life SSSSSS M. Bourn to the Reader I shall in the Treatise following lay open to the view of all men not at the second hand but by experience having often heard them both preach and dispute what is that which commonly goes under the name of Familisme what I shall say concerning it is not out of malice to any person neither shall I speak at randome TTTTTT Gangren first Part second division p. 27. There is one Clement Wrighter in London an Arch-heretick and fearfull Apostate sometimes a professor of Religion and judged to have been godly about seven or eight years ago he fell off from the communion of our Churches to Independency and Brownism from that he fell to Anabaptism and Arminianism thence to Mortalism holding the soul mortall after that he fell to be a Seeker and is now an Antiscripturist a Questionist and Skeptick and I fear an Atheist CHAP. V. The lawfulnesse of Infants Baptisme I Have at some length in the preceding Chapters set down the way and Tenets of the Anabaptists both here and over Sea The extreame malignity of the Anabaptistick spirit both of the present the former times wherby it may appear to all who are willing to see how malign a spirit has ruled in that Sect from its first beginning to this very day a spirit carrying to the greatest errours and the grossest vices that ever any who were called Christians have stumbled upon a spirit as much opposite to the honour of God and to the salvation of men It s enmity to the salvation of men as any that ever troubled the Church since its first foundation It s favour towards the salvation of man appears in its great zeal to cast out of the Church and deprive of the means of grace almost all mankinde with the exception of a very few if of any at all When the most reformed of the Protestant Churches come before the fan of their censure at the first shake they blow away that largest and most innocent part of them their infants all children who have not attained to the acts of faith and repentance are to them in the flesh under the power within the verge of the Kingdom of Satan as well as Jews Turks Pagans and others who are not so much as entred within the hedge of Christs sheepfold and lest the spoiling of children of all the grace and gifts of God had not been a sufficient vastation they are carried on by the spirit that leads them to make as great havock and desolation among those of riper years they Unchurch the most of those whom otherwise they love as their best friends they charge all the Independents and the Brownists and the most rigid of the Separatists for their baptizing of infants with no lighter a burthen then Antichristianism and a clear deniall of Christs Incarnation Neither here does their rashnesse stand the small remnant of Christians the Anabaptistick Societies which alone they will honour with the title of true Churches seem to them too many to be saved therefore new separations are run into and those so severe that there lives not an Anabaptist upon earth who by multitudes even of Anabaptists is not condemned with all who adhere to his subdivision as a man in a false way not only without but in opposition to the true Church In its di honoring of God be setting up a liberty first for all errours This their extream cruelty against the souls of men wont to be coloured with the shew of zeal to the truth and honour of God but this varnish is now almost quite wiped off Behold whither their zeal to the truth and honour of God is now evanished They for some times were so eminently zealous against errors and vices that very small ones were wont to draw from them an ejection out of the Church a deliverance to Satan and where the Civill Sword was in their hand a putting out of this life a publick execution by the hand of the Hangman when their Princes and Prophets were not at leisure to administer Justice in their own persons Notwithstanding the loudest note that this day sounds in their song is liberty and freedom from all punishments for what ever crimes when all abominations imaginable are publickly proclaimed when many more and much viler errours walk in our streets then ever any one place in any time did hear of the great zeal of these religious men breaks out daily in all the discourses they please and actions they dare for the safeguard of the cursed instruments of these errours passionately denying all power in any on earth to restrain in the least measure the open propagation of the most abominable lies which Satan is able to utter by the tongue of any creature no matter of Religion say they can fall under the cognisance of any State the false Church has no right to censures or any Church Ordinance the truest Churches can meddle but with their own members they who never were of them or have renounced membership with them are without their Jurisdiction so neither State nor Church can put any barre of the smallest censure upon the propagation of any errour And next for all vice And lest vice the neer kinsman of errour should finde any harder measure any greater stop from the hand of superiour powers this Sect with all the speed it can is posting back to its first principles the overthrow of the civill State as much as of the Church That when ever they are found in the practise of their Doctrine of the lawfulnesse of adultery and incest robbery and murder there may be none upon earth to controll them For this end they cast down the King and Parliament Commons as well as Lords all Incorporations all Judicatories in Burgh and Land that an absolute Monarchy a full liberty for every man to do all his pleasure without any fear of punishment may be set up That the Crown and Scepter the Kingship and absolute Soveraignty may at last be restored to the onely true owners the free-born people of England the individuals as they love to speak of the whole Nation All this much more have they set under their own hands as may be seen in the former Chapters Their Brownistick and Arminian Tenets I have refuted in other Treatises I have neither time nor minde to dispute all their positions in my little Antidote against Arminianism I have in a short and popular way impugned it their Tenets against the Protestant Churches in the heads of election redemption grace free-will and perseverance In the first Part of my Disswasive I have debated at length enough the chief of those errours which they have taught their children the Separatists The reall holinesse of all Church members the necessity of separation for want of satisfaction in this point alone the power of every member of the Church to preach the word to ordain and to excommunicate when there is cause their very Pastors
concerning a publick Disputation is but a needlesse vanity this was the cry for a long time of the old Anabaptists but when they had gotten their belly full of publick disputations what the issue was Munster and Zurick can bear witnesse The Disputants here themselves relate that it was no ways the fault of the City Ministers that they got not so many and so publick disputations as they wished but it appears that their gain by such disputations could not have been very great if their Arguments were not much stronger then any which in this Declaration they make publick The fourth makes it an heresie to make any use of any thing in the old Testament to clear any thing in the New Their fourth Argument is this Infant Baptisme denies Christ to be come in the flesh because it takes from him what the holy Ghost ascribes to him considered come in the flesh it destroyes his Propheticall and Priestly office for it brings light from Moses and the old Testament to clear Christs Doctrine of Baptism and so makes Moses a greater Light then Christ also it layes the duty of infant Baptism upon the Subjects of Christ without his warrant and so puts him from his Kingdome Answer The upshot and strength of this reason is no more then what was brought before that infants Baptism wants the warrant of Christ 2. We see by the form of this reason to how high a pinne those men do stretch our errour as they count it of paedobaptism it must be no lesse a crime then the deniall of Christs Offices and of his very Incarnation The people must hold us for very grosse Hereticks and such from whom a separation is absolutely necessary 3. The phrase which here is oft repeated Christ considered come in the flesh is very obscure or else a meer non-sense why considered come in the flesh rather then come in the flesh But the chief matter ground of the argument as here it is proponed is a new and dangerous crotchet which the most of the Anabaptists as I think will never own must it be a deniall of Christs Offices and Incarnation must it be a setting up of Moses and the Prophets as greater lights above Christ and the Apostles when any thing is brought out of the old Testament to clear some passages of the New When for the clearing of sundry things both in the Old and New Testament we bring passages from Pagan Jewish or Christian Writers either old or New do we hereby set up these humane Authors as greater lights above Scripture if the Disputants would admit of any consequences they might see what does stand at the back of such wild assertions but what ever be their minde of consequences yet some of their followers from this their position make two unhappy though very necessary deductions First the casting away of all humane Writs at least the making of their service towards the clearing of Scripture altogether unlawfull they make the use of all humane Arts and Sciences for this end abominable Secondly the laying aside of the whole old Testament as that which may not be applied for to clear any thing that is in the New notwithstanding Christ and his Apostles are very frequent not only in clearing but in proving the body of their Doctrine from the Law and the Prophets yet I hope that none of them for this practice shall be counted by the Disputants deniers of Christs Incarnation or any of his Offices Their fifth argument is this The fift argument making the actions done by or to Christ the full rule of our practice is a wild phansie That which is no part of righteousnesse may not be observed But the Baptism of infants is no part of righteousnesse because it was neither practised upon Christs Person nor by him upon any other person he was neither baptized in his infancy nor did baptize any infants Answer This reason is as strange as any of the former both the major and minor are faulty the major because in common speech and ordinary Scripture language righteousnesse is contradistinguished to holinesse so all acts of holinesse according to this argument behoved to be unlawfull being no parts of righteousnesse The minor also and its proof must both be denied Let the word righteousnesse be taken in as large a sense as they please for all duties either to God or man for all acts either of piety justice or charity yet to say that there is no act of righteousnesse which cannot be proved to have been done either by Christ or upon Christ is a very wild fancy For instance what will they say for the Baptism of women and the Baptism of old men will they deny those to be parts of that righteousnesse whereof they speak or will they affirm that these things were practiced either upon the person of Christ or by the person of Christ Christ did fulfill all righteousnesse when he payed tribute and did all those acts of justice which belonged to him though hee never medled with any duties belonging to others but were impertinent to him as nothing belonging to him or whereof his person was not capable The first argument concluding the unlawfulnesse of infant Baptism from the want of Scripturall example was absurd but this argument which restricts Scripturall example to the person of Christ onely to things done by him or upon him is much more absurd The six●h ar●ument will have none bap●i●●d but who b●li ve and are elect Th●ir sixth argument is this Only they are to be baptized who are Abrahams seed either according to the flesh or according to promi●e But the infants of Gentiles are not of Abrahams seed either according to the flesh or according to promise because only the Jews are Abrahams seed according to the flesh and only believers are his seed according to promise Ans Upon this argument they triumph and cry out of a deadly wound given thereby to infant Baptism I will be loth to upbraid any man with presumptuous ignorance yet I cannot but marvell what the Disputants can mean to prejudice their friends in every one of their arguments a great deal more then their adversaries This their deadly reason is dead and rotten in all its parts the major according to their own principles is clearly false for if none may lawfully be baptized but the seed of Abraham according to the flesh or his seed according to promise and the one be only Jews and the other be only beleevers what will they say to Simon Magus and thousands whom themselves do baptize who are not Jews and so not the seed of Abraham according to the flesh nor believers and elect persons and so not the seed according to the promise nor the children of the heavenly Jerusalem The minor likewise is false in both its parts First some infants of believing Gentiles may well be counted the seed of Abraham and Israel according to the flesh such as are members of the