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A13160 A challenge concerning the Romish Church, her doctrine & practises, published first against Rob. Parsons, and now againe reuiewed, enlarged, and fortified, and directed to him, to Frier Garnet, to the archpriest Blackevvell and all their adhærents, by Matth. Sutcliffe. Thereunto also is annexed an answere vnto certeine vaine, and friuolous exceptions, taken to his former challenge, and to a certeine worthlesse pamphlet lately set out by some poore disciple of Antichrist, and entituled, A detection of diuers notable vntrueths, contradictions, corruptions, and falsifications gathered out of M. Sutcliffes new challenge, &c. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629.; Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. Briefe replie to a certaine odious and slanderous libel. 1602 (1602) STC 23454; ESTC S117867 337,059 440

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saith i Lib hist 18. c. 52. Nicephorus patris spiritus sancti effigiant quod est perquam absurdum yet this absurdity is a high point of popish religion argument 24 The worshippers of the crosse which were termed Chazinzarij and Staurolatrae were for that point estéemed hereticks Nicephorus he woondreth at them as strange fellowes Crucem saith he adorare colere dicuntur k Lib. hist 18. c. 54. Is not then this a plaine conuiction of the papists which worship the crosse and say aue sancta crux and desire to be protected by it and giue to it latriam which I suppose the Staurolatrians were not so simple and stupid as to giue to their crosses argument 25 The Collyridian heretikes were condemned for worshipping the virgin Mary and that worthily for as l Haeres 78. Epiphanius saith she was a virgin and honorable but not to be adored and againe non dominabitur nobis antiquus error vt relinquamus viuentem adoremus ea quae ab ipso facta sunt all which notwithstanding the papists adore her and worship her and say many a masse in her honor and pray vnto her which I doubt whether the Collyridians did so grosly or no. Bonauenture to make her equall with God as Dauid made Psalmes in the praise of God so applied or rather distorted Psalmes to the virgin Mary turning God into the blessed virgine argument 26 The worshippers of images of saints by a certeine m Hist miscel Paul Diat lib. 21. councell of Constantinople whose actes are recorded and inserted in the sixt action of the second Nicene councell were noten as idolaters and condemned by the fathers as heretikes or woorse the synod of Francford did cōdemne the second Nicene councell that allowed the worship of images non nos imagines in basilicis positas n In lib. Carol. Magni contr Synod in partib Graeciae pro imaginibus adorandis say they idola nuncupamus sed ne idola nuncupentur adorare colere eas recusamus which is nothing but the iudgement of Gregory the first also that would not haue images worshipped Epiphanius haeres 79. saith that by worshipping of images the minde is turned from one only God to commit fornication with images all which notwithstanding the papists kisse them bow to them worship them light candles and burne incense vnto them or at the least before them argument 27 The barefooted brethren were condemned for their hereticall singularity in going barefoot Est alia haeresis saith Saint o De hares c. 68. Augustine nudis pedibus semper ambulantium yet this is accounted by the papists a part of their frierlike perfection who haue orders of men and women that go barefoot and beléeue it is meritorious to goe barefoot in pilgrimages and processions argument 28 The apostolikes notwithstanding their arrogant presumption in taking on them the name and profession of the apostles followers were condemned as heretiks for that they receiued none into their order that had wiues or possessed any thing in priuate Apostolici qui se isto nomine arrogantissimè vocauerunt saith Saint p De hares 40. Augustine eo quod non receperunt in suam communionem vtentes coniugibus res proprias possidentes quales habet ecclesia catholica monachos clericos plurimos where note I pray you how that Augustine saith that monks and clergy men had wiues and goods in property and how néere the papists come to this heresie condemning all monks and friers that possesse any goods in property and both monks and priests that match themselues in mariage though very honorable in the iudgement of the apostle argument 29 The Heraclites as saith Isidore were heretikes that receiued only monks and refused married folks to be of their company Monachos tantùm recipiunt saith q Orig. lib. 8. c. de hares he coniugia respuunt further they beleeue not that children dying yoong shall possesse the kingdome of heauen and doe not monks and friers and other sects among the papists beléeue the like do they not also exclude all infants dying before baptisme out of the kingdome of heauen albeit the parents did by all meanes endeuour to haue them baptized and doe they not place such in limbo puerorum which is either in hell or els the papists know not where it is argument 30 The Priscillianistes disioine married folks for religion sake Coniuges saith S. r Haeres 70. Augustine speaking of Priscillian quibus hoc malum potuerit persuadere disiungens viros à nolentibus foeminis foeminas à nolentibus viris likewise for hiding their wickednesse and filthinesse they made no account to forsweare themselues ſ Ibidem propter occultandas contaminatioens turpitudines suas habent in suis dogmatibus haec verba iura periura secretum prodere noli they doe also refuse to eat flesh as vncleane meat as S. Augustine testifieth And what do papists doe not they likewise separate married folks that vow monasticall religion and do they not holde that man or wife before marriage consummate may enter into a monasterie albeit the other party be most vnwilling Of othes also they make no account If thou be put to an oth say the t In annot in act 23. Rhemists to accuse catholikes for seruing God so they please to speake of papists worshipping idoles and hearing the idolatrous masse or to vtter any man to Gods enemies thus they call her Maiestie and the Iudges thou ought first to refuse such vnlawfull othes but if thou haue not constancy and courage so to doe yet know thou that such othes binde not in conscience and law of God but may and must be broken vnder paine of damnation where note that they aduise men to forsweare themselues vnder paine of damnation and that they call catholikes and Gods seruants such as are combined with the Pope and Spaniard and come with an intention to murder their dread Souereigne to raise rebellion or at least embrace the idolatrous religion of the pope this is also the resolution of the two traitors Allen and Parsons in their wicked resolutions of cases of conscience for the English nation through which they haue brought diuers yong men to the destruction both of bodie and soule Finally if papists did not account flesh vncleane why do the Carthusians forsweare flesh and why doe papists account it more holy to eat fish than flesh on fasting daies argument 31 The Helcesaits make Christ in heauen to differ from Christ on earth Christum saith u Haeret. fab lib. 2. c. de Helcesaeis Theodoret speaking of them non vnum dicunt sed hunc quidem infernè illum verò supernè eum olim in multis habitasse so likewise the papists beléeue and teach that Christ in heauen is visible and palpable and hath the fulnesse thicknesse and iust proportion of a body but their Christ on the altar they beléeue to be
that wicked city then doth it necessarily fellow that the church of Rome now is not the citie and church of God but rather the malignant church synagogue of Satan adhering to Antichrist and opposite to Christ and his church but that the state of new Rome and of the Romish sect as it adhereth to the pope and is the fountaine and metropolitane citie from whence all idolatry heresie and superstition stoweth is meant by the purple whore Apocalyp 17. and by Babylon Apocalyp 18. diuers arguments may teach vs. first the order of S. Iohns reuelation doth shew it for after that in the 12. chapter and in the beginning of the thirtéenth he had described the state of olde Rome vnder the Romane emperors and foreprophecied the ruine and decay of that empire and the rising of another state out of the ruines of it there is no likehood that he should returne backe againe to describe the flourishing state of that empire in the seuentéenth chapter or that the holy ghost would relate things confusedly or disorderly secondly he representeth vnto vs the decay of old Rome the arising of Antichrist out of the ruines of it in the end of the thirtéenth chapter and therefore whatsoeuer followeth after that chapter the same with good reason may be drawen to Rome after it came to be vnder the pope whose state is wholly built vpon the fall of the empire and can by 〈◊〉 meanes be applied vnto Rome as it was vnder the Romane emperors Thirdly after the destruction of the purple whore and of Babylon the apostle prophesieth of the end of the world and of the last iudgement as if the one were to follow immediately or at the least not long after the other but we sée the Romane empire long since destroied and nothing remaining but a vaine name or title of it and yet the end of the world and last iudgement is not come the ruine of old Rome therefore by the destruction of the whore and of Babylon is not prefigured but rather the destruction of antichrists seat and kingdome Fourthly the beast which saint Iohn saw and vpon which the purple whoore did sit was not then as she should be as he saith non adhuc erat t Apocal. 17. saith he ex abysso ascensura erat but the Romane empire did most flourish in saint Iohns time and therefore that beast must néeds signifie another state and empire which in Rome was to be erected after the Romane empires decay Fiftly those ten kings which are signified by ten hornes Apocalyps 17. did not arise during the time of the old empire of Rome but vpon the decay of the empire and rising of antichrist for we doe not reade that kings did giue their power to the Romane empire nor had that strong empire any néed of their power but we reade that diuers kings haue giuen their power to the papacie and made themselues slaues to make the popes great lords this therefore must néeds be a figure of the papacy and not of the old Romane empire Sixthly we doe read that the kings of the earth committed fornication with the purple whore and may well vnderstand that the purple whore was a figure of one from whom corruption of doctrine and idolatrous worship should be deriued for that is spirituall fornication but from the Romane emperore we cannot vnderstand that any kings receiued any forme of religion or corrupt doctrine or idolatrous worship this therefore must néeds touch the pope and his sée from whence manifolde superstitions idolatries are deriued into all places and not the imperiall state which regarded but little the state of religion Seuenthly the kings of the earth did rather reioice then lament at the destruction of the Romane empire for vpon the ruines thereof they built their own kingdomes and states but diuers kings that are linked with the Pope haue lamented his losses the king of Spaine wept when he heard of the euill successe of English rebels which the pope u Vita de Pio 5. Pius the fift stirred vp hoping by them againe yet once more to recouer footing in England Eightly the purple whore Apocalypse 17. is called the mother of fornications or idolatry which is termed in scripture spirituall fornication this prophecy therefore doeth rather touch the popish idolatry corruption in religion than the ciuill gouernment Ninthly after the empire of Rome began to decay the state of christian religion began to flourish in Rome and therefore that which is said of Rome that it shall after the reuelation of the whore become the habitation of diuels and vncleane spirits cannot be spoken of old Rome after whose decay religion began to flourish but of new Rome vnder the popes which is now become a receptacle of all abominations and filthinesse 10. This Rome that is described Apocalyps 17. shall persecute the saints néere to the end of the world as may be gathered out of saint Iohns reuelation this therefore belongeth to the pope and his bloody inquisitors and not to the old Rome whose persecutions are long since ceased 11. The description of the purple whore and of Babylon doeth best fit the state of Rome vnder the subiection of the pope the great whore is said to sit vpon many waters and to inuegle the kings of the earth with her spirituall fornications she was clad with purple and sclarlet and set out with gold and precious stones she had in her hand a golden cup full of abhominations and in her forhead was written this word mysterium and great Babylon the mother of fornications and abominations of the earth finally it is said she was drunke with the bloud of martyrs Babylon also is called an habitation of diuels and a receptacle of foule spirits and vncleane birds and saint Iohn saith the nations of the earth did drinke of the wine of the wrath of her fornication and that kings did commit fornication with her and marchants grew rich with trading with her so likewise the pope doeth rule many nations and hath wonne the kings of the earth to like his corrupt and idolatrous doctrine he and his religion also is decked with all precious furniture and nothing séemeth more gallant in externall shew like a woman the pope preuailed by fraud periury and pretence of great mysteries and from him all abominations and corruptions procéeded it is he and no other that for this foure or fiue hundred yeres hath persecuted the saints of God and to him the kings of the earth yéeld their forces and are ready to execute his sentences and excommunications beside that neuer was more vncleannesse nor filthinesse practised by any than by the Romish Sodomiticall and lecherous monks and priests nor was there euer in any place more buying and selling of all things than in the Romish church lastly Arethas and Ambrosius Ansbertus writing vpon the Apocalypse say that new Rome may be vnderstood by Babylon and Petrarch doubteth not in plaine termes to
alleadging the testimony of Anselme Deusdedit Leo nonus Petrus Damianus and such other forged deuises For first it is intituled Palea which argueth that it was thrust into Gratian and was for credit as light as chaffe Secondly this donation séemeth to be translated out of the legend of Syluester Thirdly all stories report contrary to this donation that Constantine was baptized at Nicomedia a little before his death Constantinus Nicomediae baptizatus est saith Theodoret paulò ante mortem Lib. hist 1. c. 32. distulerat enim vsque ad illud tempus in Iordane stuuio hoc promereri desiderans The same is also confirmed by the testimony of Eusebius Hierome Ruffin Socrates Sozomen and others But this donation doth signifie that he was baptized by Siluester and as it is in Siluesters legend cured of a leprosie and that before the warres with Licinius and Maximinus 4. This donation was granted as is sayd in the beginning of Constantines reigne But that cannot be true séeing it mentioneth Constātinople that was not so named nor founded by Constantine vntill long after In the Nic●ne councell Alexander was called episcopus Bizantij and Sozomen testifieth that Constantinople was founded in the height of Constantines prosperite 5. This donation preferring the bishop of Rome before the other patriarkes is playnly repugnant to the counsell of Nice that maketh all the patriarkes aequal 6. The bishop of Rome neuer enioyed any such prerogatiues as are giuen him by this counterfe●t grante either in Gréece or other places 7. He is called Vniuersalis episcopus by that grante yet did Gregorie the first refuse that title long after this time 8. The Popes now weare a triple crowne yet Siluester would not as this donation pretendeth weare an imperiall crowne 9. No authenticall history maketh mention of this great donation 10 Nay contrarywise histories relate that Constantines sonnes and successors did long after inioy those things which are in the gift pretēded to be deliuered to Siluester 11. Neuer were Constantine and Gallicanus consulls together Finally the rude and rascall stile and the circumstances of this grante nothing fitting Constantines time nor person nor yet the person of Siluester that yet scarce was secured from persecution doe playnly declare the same to be forged falsification 21 The constitution also of Ludouicus mentioned dist 63. c. ego Ludouicus Is most grosly forged For first the same contradicteth the donation of Constantine For what néeded this grant or donation if Constantine had giuen the same and much more before Againe if the Popes of Rome had béene in possession of this right the french that were greate benefactors to that see Theodiric a Niem Langius would neuer haue disturbed them 2. histories teach that vntill Boniface the 9. his time the popes were neuer possessed of the temporalties of Rome 3. there are diuers copyes extant of this grant as may appeare by Gratian and volaterran Geograph lib. 3. Which doe contradict one another But writinges repugnant one to another L. scripturae Cod. de fid instrument and contayning manifest contradictions deserue no credit Scripturae diuersae say lawyers fidem sibi iniuicem dero gantes nihil habere firmitatis possunt Neither can two contrary propositions be taken for true as lawyers hold in l. si is qui. § vtrum ff de rebus dub l. vbi pugnantia ff de regulis iuris 4. The Romanistes neuer did chuse the pope according to this grant nor did popes of late time grant that emperors had any authority to giue a forme for the election of the Pope Finally the rude and barbarous stile and termes of the grant and all histories that write of the gouerment of Rome about the time of this Ludouike do proue it to be conterfect falsification 22 The Popes also and their agents haue conterfected two certaine epistles vnder the names of Iustinian and Iohn bishop Rome which are now thrust into the code C. de sum trinit of fid Cath. s inter claras And are commonly alleged for the Popes authority and iurisdiction as appeareth by the disputes of Bellarmine and the fabulous narrations of Caesar Baronius the forgery is detected First by ancient manuscript bookes where these two epistles are not to be found as Alciat testifieth parerg lib. 5. c. 23. Secondly these epistles are repugnāt to the law next precedent For here the emperor doth signifie that he did then pubish this confession first L. cognoscere Cod. de summa Trinit fid Cath and sent it to Iohn bishop of Rome to be allowed or dissallowed wher-by the law precedent and law beginning cum saluatorem in the same title it is manifest that he had published the same a yeare before and sent it to Epiphanius bishop of Constantiople and to other Churches 3. Ado of Vienna in his chronicle and Platina in the life of Boniface the 3. testifie that the bishop of Rome was not called head of the Church before Phocas his time 4. the law decernimus C. de sancros ecclesijs and law Constantinopolitana in the same title doth giue that that to the bishop of Constantinople that is héere claymed by the bishop of Rome 5. Here the emperor promiseth to do nothing in causes ecclesiastical before he had made the bishop of Rōe acquainted withall but that is refuted by the lawes called nouellae nu 6. 11. 123. concerning the creation and ordination of bishops the number of patriarkes archbisshops their iurisdictions and priuiledges and likewise by the nouel constitutions 3.5.16.58.133 137. al which concern mere ecclesiasticall causes Finally the letter being written in Gréeke to a Romayne bishop from a Romayne Emperor and translated after a most barbarous fashion doth playnly declare the same to be forged falsification 23 In the register of of Alexander the third vnder the colour of some counterfect grantes challenge is made by the popes to the crowne and souereinty of England it behooueth vs therfore to looke vnto the fingers of these impostors and falsaries that by one tricke of forgery are wonte to vsurpe a whole kingdome nouit prudentia tua saith Alexander the third Anglorum regnum ex quo Christi nomen ibi glorificatum est sub apostolorum principis manu et tutela extitisse his meaning is if he durst vtter it that the souerein dominion ouer England belongeth to the pope Whosoeuer list to read ouer Augustine Steuchus the popes bibliothecary or rather babling falsary shal find diuers counterfect instruments of the sāe nature wherby the popes clayme the kingdomes of Croatia Aragon Dalmatia Denmarke Spayne Hungary Poland Russia yea and the empire of Rome to belong to their sea So gaynful hath the craft of forgery beene to that sée And so shamelesse are the popes agents in their forgeryes falsification 24 Most impudenly they make the Emperor Otho to sweare fealty to Iohn the 12. or as some recken the 13. dist 63. c. tibi domino A matter so against reason forged as