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A11271 A goodly dysputacion betwene a christen shomaker, and a popysshe parson with two other parsones more, done within the famous citie of Norembourgh. Translated out of [the] Germayne tongue into Englysshe. By Anthony Scoloker. Sachs, Hans, 1494-1576.; Scoloker, Anthony, fl. 1548. 1548 (1548) STC 21537.7; ESTC S117736 15,831 48

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▪ A goodly dysputacion betwene a Christen Shomaker / and a Popysshe Parson with two other parsones more done within the famous Citie of Norembourgh Translated out of the Germayne tongue into Englysshe By Anthony Scoloker Imprynted at London by Anthony Scoloker And Viyllyam Seres Dwellynge wythout Aldersgate Anno. 1548. ¶ Cum Gratia et Priuilegio ad Imprimendum solum ¶ The Shomaker cōming● to the parsones house speaketh to the parsons seruaunt Shomaker Good morrow good fellow Seruaunt ye are welcō master Ioā Shomaker I thanke you with all my hert Where is your master Seruaunt He is in the gallery O tary a lytle I wyll go and call hym master master your shomaker is here Parson Bene veneritis magister Hans Shomaker Deo gratias Parson What bringe you there / do you brynge my slyppers Shomaker Yea forsoth Syr I thoughte you had bene in the Church Parson No mary I was yonder behynde in the gallery and there haue I mumbled Shomaker What saye you master Parson haue ye mumbled Parson Yea I haue sayd my diuine seru●ce ●● besydes ●●at I haue nowe and then fedd● my nyghtyngale Shomaker Syr Iohan I praye you tell me what nyghtingale is it syngeth he yet Parson No forsoth it draweth to nygh wynter Shomaker I knowe a shomaker who hath a nightyngale that begīneth now fyrst to synge Parson Yea the deuell of hell take that shomaker with all hys nyghtyngales he hath so rayled on oure mooste holyest Father the pope the moost hyghest Father and reuerend lorde yea he hath so cryed and called hym abroade euen as though he had bene the moost vylest and vngrationst wretche or knaue of the whole world Shomaker What softe and fayre Sir I praie the he hath partely declared your maner of lyuinge and your diuine seruice to the common people and nowe I perceaue you do nothing but rayle on hī but what shall I saie is your behauiour and lyuinge accordīg to christes Gospell / or is it apesplaye Parson What the deuell of hell haue these dulheaded shomakers to do with oure behaueour and lyuyng Shomaker It is wryten When thou seest thyne Exod. 2● Ennemies asse fallen vnder hys Burden / thou shalt not go by but helpe hī vp How muche more is a christen Man bounde to helpe hys neyghbour / who he seeth lyinge in an heauy conscience Parson That horeson assched ought not to haue meaned spyrituall and relygious men / for they knowe well ynoughe before hand what synne is Shomaker But Ezechyell speaketh yf thou seest Ezechi ●● thy brother synne reprehend hym or els I wyll require hys bloude at thy handes Therfore a Christen man ought to reprehend hys brother be he anoynted or no. Parson Arte thou a Gospeller Shomaker Yea forsothe Syr. Parson Hast thow not redde the gospel of S. Mathew in the vij Chapter Thou shalte not Iudge to chynte●te thou be not Math. 7. iudged But ye Luthery as pass● nothyng at all vppon suche Sayinges / neyther do ye seke for them / for they are playne agaynst you Shomaker To iudge and reprehend is to be vnderstande two maner of wayes we take not vppon vs to iudge that thynge which only aperteineth to god As Paule sayth No man shall Iudge the seruaūt of an other man Roma 14. but ought to reprehend and exhorte hym As the prophet Esaye saythe Call without Ceasynge and exalte youre Esay 58. voice lyke a trompett to declare my people theyr offenses et cetera Parson Ther is also written Thou shalte not make the chefest of the people ashamed Exod. 22. Shomaker Who is the chefeste amonge the people / is it not the Emperour kynges / prynces Dukes / Earles with theyr knygtes esquires and worldly power Parson Nay nay The pope is Christes vicare and next vnder hym Cardynals Bysshops with all the spiritualte / as it is written Solite de maioritate et obediencia These spirytuall men represent the sunne and the worldly powers represēt only the moone Wherout doth folowe that the pope must nedes be of greater power then the Emperour who is faine to kysse hys fete Shomaker Is the pope such a puyssaūt lorde truly Iohan. 18. then is he not Christes vicare For Christ sayth my kyngdome is not of thys worlde And Iohn 6. Christ when he sawe Iohan. 6. that men wolde make hym kyng wēt Luke 2● hys wayes Christ also sayd vnto hys dysciples Worldely prynces haue dominion and beare Rule and the Myghtyr of the earthe are called Lordes / but let it not be so amonge you For who of you wyll be the greatest shal be the leaste and the chefest as a Seruaunt and therfore the pope and ye spyrytuall men are but mynysters vnto the Christians in case ye be of God and therfore menne may● re●●ehende you well Inoughe parson The pope with hys is nor bounde to obeye the commaundemēt of God As it is writtē in the spirituall lawe C. Solite de maioritate et obediencia out of the whych we do conclude that the pope is no sinnes but the most holyest and in all thyng inreprehensible Shomaker It is wrytten who so ever sayth that he is wythout synne is a lyer oute of the Iohan. 1. whiche followeth that the Pope muste nedes be a sīner or a lier if he be not both and not the most holyest / but is greatly to be reprehended Parson What I say / although the pope wer● so wycked that he dyd bryng a great multytude of people into hell yet may no mā reprehende him For it is wrytten in oure lawes dyst xi Sipapa Howe doth that distinct 40 please the Shomaker It is written in the gospell of Math. Math. 18. if thy brother do synne reprehend him betwene hym and the / and if he heare the ▪ then hast thou wonne him Doth the pope vse such Godly acres Parson Doest thou call this to reprehēde after a brotherly sorte to cry and call it out so openly Shomaker It is further written in the same text in case thy brother heare the not / then take one or two wyth you / and if he heare you not then then tell it to the congregacion and let him go lyke a heathen and infidell euen as thou art sir domine ▪ Parson I praye the what preuayleth it that thou doest call vs thus a broad lyke greshoppers consyderyng we passe nothyng for it For we holde vs by our decrees Shomaker Therfore sayth Chryst in case men do not heare you then shake the dust from your fete for a wytnes that the Kyngdome of God hath bene nygh vnto them For theyr Iudgement shall be greater at the day of dome then to Sodoma ād Gomorra In what case shalt thou be then seing thou wylt not be reprehended Parson I wolde graunte it to be so / in case they were learned men but it becommeth not the laye people to reprehēd the spiritualte Shomaker An asse reprehended Balaain the prophet Wherfore