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A08891 The fal of Babel By the confusion of tongues directly proving against the Papists of this, and former ages; that a view of their writings, and bookes being taken; cannot be discerned by any man living, what they would say, or how be vnderstoode, in the question of the sacrifice of the masse, the reall presence or transubstantiation, but in explaning their mindes they fall vpon such termes, as the Protestants vse and allow. Further in the question of the Popes supremacy is shevved, how they abuse an authority of the auncient father St. Cyprian, a canon of the I Niceene counsell, and the ecclesiastical historie of Socrates, and Sozomen. And lastly is set downe a briefe of the sucession of Popes in the sea of Rome for these 1600 yeeres togither; ... By Iohn Panke. Panke, John. 1608 (1608) STC 19171; ESTC S102341 167,339 204

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or opinion they held or of the incertainty of the order of their places or maner of comming into that sea whether lawfully or vnlawfully you shall therfore haue a tast of the weaknes of that great pillar wherō you must leane if you wil be a Romanist Ex successione incertissima incertior fides From an vncertaine succession is no certaine trust to bee drawen and more wisdome were it for thē to cleare the doubts of their owne evidences then to call other in question for theirs They cry nothing but succession succession as though their succession were as Davids sling their bishops had been as so many choise stones in the scrip which were able to coquere a mightie oppugner but it hath rather proued like Sauls armour buckled to David more cūbersome then safe for David to weare or for any to trust vnto Successores omnes cupiunt esse imitatores pauci Bern. in conc Rhem. f. 361. H. vt inam ta●… vigiles reperirentur ad curam quam alacres currunt ad cathedram saith S. Bernard They al desire to be the successors of Peter few to bee followers I would they could be found to bee as watchful in the charge as they runne willingly to the chaire Graunt them but to sit at Rome where S. Peter sate and for any beleife doctrine abilitie to teach vertue godlinesse or almost common honesty they care not for any Cont. Iuell art 4. fol. 113. 114. We be plainly taught saith D. Hardinge that albeit the successors of Peter Christs Vicars in earth be found blame worthy for evil life yet we ought not to dissent from them in doctrine nor sever our selues from them in faith For as much as notwithstāding they be evill by Gods prouidence for the surety of his people they be compelled to say the good things that be good The Popes be compelled to say the good things they do say and to teach the truth the things they speake not being theirs but Gods who hath put the doctrine of verity in the chaire or seate of vnitie Which singular grace commeth especially to the sea of Peter ether of the force of Christs prayer or in respect of place and dignity which the bishops of that sea hold from Christ The Popes cōpared to Balaam Caiphas as Balaam could bee brought by no meanes to curse that people whom God would to bee blessed And Caiphas also prophecied because he was high bishop for that yeare and prophecied truly being otherwise a man most wicked And therfore the evill doings of the bishops of Rome make no argument of discrediting of their doctrine nether ought the evill liues of the bishops of Rome to withdrawe vs from beleeuing and following the doctrine preached and taught in the holy church of Rome Annot in Luc. c. 22. v. 31. Liberius Marcellinus Honorius They knowe wel that worse thē the●e haue sat in that seat Stapl. returne of vntruthes art 4. f. 111. 116. Bitont in ora Conc. Tridēt ex Duraeo cōtra Whit. rat 7. fol. 369. The Rhemists will cōfesse more of their Popes Liberius saie they in persecution might yeeld Marcellinus for feare of death might commit Idololatrie Honorius might fall into heresy and more then all this some Iudas might creep into the office yea and al this without preiudice of the office and seate We doe say that the Pope may erre saith Stapleton and hath erred both in faith and maners touching his owne private person Let it be true saith he againe that many Popes haue for saken the faith yea and Christ too because of their wicked liues haynous deeds Cornelius bishop of Bitonto in his oration to the holy councel of Trent spake bitterly to this purpose Vtinam à religione ad superstitionem à fide ad infidelitatem à Christo ad Antichristum à Deo ad Epicurum velut prorsus vnanimes non declinâssent I would to God saith he that they had not altogether declined from religion to superstition from faith to infidelity from Christ to Antichrist and from God to Epicurus The penners of the late supplication to the Kings Maiestie in the behalfe of the papists could not hide this truth Supplic anno 1604. that the wicked liues of several the professors and cheife rulers of their religion could not hetherto Wicked liues in the cheife rulers professors of their religion A manifest cōtradiction in the petition nor shal not to the worlds ende either extirpate or darken the visibilitie of their Church yet very wantonly in an other part therof they say cleane cōtrary that the professors spredders of their religion were alwaies of a knowē holy life and semblable death Here haue they gained a manifest contradiction to them selues or must confesse that by the chiefe vulers and professors of their religion they do not meane the Popes Thus much you see by their own confessiō that in extolling their Popes in general they wil allow thē to be Idololaters heretikes or men of monstrous and beastly liues so they get but into the chaire al is wel be they like vnto Iudas Caiphas or to whatsoever accursed miscreant else he is in the place they care not as though that having once gotten thether Quique ea vitia quae à natura habebat etiā studio attificio quodam maliciea condivisset Cic. pro Cluentio Furtum verris amici morbū appellarunt Cic. l. 4. in verrem he were bounde to perfect and season himselfe thoroughlie of al those vices which before he had by nature And so make murder adulterie incest coniuration rapine theft and such like no vice but a certaine disease vncurable to follow him that shal fit there as Verres friendes did cal his theft his disease as though it had bin hereditarie And on such Popes as these doth he that gathered your table tel you that Christ did build his church and to them he committed his lambes and sheepe to be fedde euen by their owne description to foxes and wolues traitors and Apostataes for for these many hundred yeares they haue bin no other The first of those texts in your table viz the 16. of Mathew where it is said Thou art Peter and vpon this rocke I will build my Church and the gates of hell shal not prevaile against it The examination of the table Mat. 16.18 And I will giue vnto thee the keies of the kingdome of heaven c. is to short to reach whether you would haue it for in the same chapter it is said by Christ to Peter againe Get thee behinde me Sathan Cap. ibid. v. 23. thou art an offence vnto mee because thou vnderstandest not the things that are of God but the things that are of mē Now because this later rebuke should nothing preiudice the former grant but that stil S. Peter should alone be the Rocke and foundation on whom the Church was built and also haue the keyes and consequētly the Popes from